Atheists Banned From Public Office [Pic]

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 4 years ago

These 7 States ban atheists from holding public office. Nuts? Unconstitutional? Just Plain Wrong?
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Male 294
I`m not a big fan of living in pennsylvania. It`s too conservative for my tastes and the only thing we have are amish ppl. I still would like to move to california. All the best things and the best people...well, the best non-famous people at least, live in california.


As for the laws, of course they`re unconstitutional, but more importantly it`s something a lot of people wouldn`t be ok with. I`m beginning to realize that unfortunately something`s constitutionality doesn`t count for much, especially if the infallible, unquestionable gods of the supreme court decide they`ll just sort of ignore the constitution and make their decision purely on a whim.

After all, why pay attention to the constitution; us puny mortals can`t do anything, and even though the gov can technically ignore them they never would. They should get together with the police. They could sit around and laugh at how pathetic and impotent everyone else is.
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Male 29
@Idlerlee2 Eh. Why bother learning stats or even locations of places you have no intention of going to. Now if you mentioned Canada, I`d be all ears. (Best looking gay guys that have ever lived are in Canada.) :3
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Male 10,845
[quote]It`s not hate speech, I just hate you!! [/quote]

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Male 135
@thosbeama74 - Sorry to break your bubble but:

USA isn`t the best country in the world. And there are thousands of factors, but I`ll just list a few very simple ones:

You still connect some mythical creature in the clouds to your public offices. Mixing religion and politics like it`s not a big thing.

Most nations in the world adhere to a system where you can indeed write and say what you want. Not all, by no means, but most.

Iceland is the most peaceful and democratic nation on the planet. USA ranks a whooping #88. Infact: All of Europe is considered more democractic, and more peaceful, than the USA. (source: www.visionofhumanity.org /wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ 2012-Global-Peace-Index-Report.pdf)

Democracy origins from ancient Greece. It is by no means an heritage given to Europe by the funding fathers.

Most Americans think Europe is a country, and couldn`t place Norway on the map if they had a gun to their temple.

So hey
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Male 1,239
Enlisted military family here, thanks for your service but serving doesn`t give you more sway on what you think is right and wrong. You do come across as a hateful, narrow-minded bigot. You are free to speak your mind but only a fool speaks without tact and dignity. If you don`t like it, get out? No, I think if I don`t like it I`ll vote to change it instead. It`s not hate speech, I just hate you? Really? Good luck to you.
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Male 17
Mad_Gremlyn, Oh so I`m a redneck because I enlisted..I`m just a bunkin and everything you say is just so enlightened and such a Gem and everything I say is puke.. Well everything I read on these sites are verbal vomit, and yes I`m getting reprimanded.. How dare I believe in a higher power how dare I believe in "MY" Country. It`s people like you that I have problem with, this Country is the best in the World. This country gives you the opportunity write and say whatever you want. It`s people like you that have ruined what the founding fathers have left Europe. I never physically pushed these people out of this Country. I`m saying if you don`t like then get out.. I`m tired of people like you who complaining all the time and wanting to turn this country into and socialist police state. It`s not hate speech, I just hate you!!
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Male 1,810
For some reason, this whole thread made me lol....
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Male 512
@thosbeama74: Reprimanded? How so? Or, in reality it is that sometimes when you spew your hate filled bile, people call you on it? No one is hauling you off somewhere, you aren`t being "reprimanded" in any dire way. When people respond to your drek, that`s a conversation or a debate, perhaps. Again, it`s not your country to kick anyone out of, no matter if you`ve enlist or not. Further more, this redneck mentality that you get to decide if someone can be in America is the garbage that you are spewing and should be challenged. If you want a one way conversation, you`re in the wrong place. And that`s what seems to have you riled, that you can`t just puke your hate and go unchallenged. Turn off Sean Hannity and learn something about the founding of this country. I don`t care if you got live your fantasy of legalized homicide, you`re not defending anyone`s rights as written by the founders and that very obvious. Flame out, I`m done with your ignorant redneck garbage.
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Male 10,845
Touche eddy666.

Touche
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Male 523
@Cajun247 A lot of southern states have more important things they need to take out anyways.
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Male 17
@Mad_Gremlyn, it is my Country I have fought for it and I personally don`t care how "Anti-American" I sound to you or European and Canadian people think. My problem is that other people can say whatever they want about the Country I love and will lay down my life for and it`s "ok"... But when I have an opinion and speak my mind about the trash that comes out of their mouths I get reprimanded. That`s the problem.. cow tailing to these people, you`re weak minded and have no backbone and should not be in "MY" Country and Country that my forefathers fought to the death for.
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Male 7,123
Obviously these fly in the face of the US constitution and are unenforceable. But they are still on the books.

Of course you don`t have to be a christian, just acknowledge a Supreme Being. So Satanists are fine. The Boy Scouts have a similar rule, but they actually enforce it.
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Male 464
Go to wikipedia, it explains this. for example, the wikipedia entry for Article 1, Section 4 of the Texan Constitution (its on the page for the constitution) says that it not only violates the American constitution in two ways, but also is unenforcable and so is not used in modern times.
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Male 5,811
@Gerry: I understand. But why aren`t these laws that can`t be legally enforced immediately struck down once the ruling of the SC is made?
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Male 37,888

patch - a politician can`t vote in favor of striking down those laws. If he did, at the next election his oposition would run ads that he was "Against God". They`re too concerned with their re-elections.
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Male 5,811
Sounds like a case of the left hand not knowing what the right one is doing. Why is it so difficult for those state laws to be struck down and removed then? Why is it so difficult to do that?
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Male 1,397
So `turn the other cheek` no longer has any credence to Christians, then?
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Male 735
oh good, i thought oklahoma was gonna be on there...not that it matters...
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Male 10,845
@nayrbarr

Actually the state is not allowed to enforce the ban. The Supreme Court struck down the use of religious tests in 1961. Which ultimately means that this infographic wholly misleading. The language IS there the but state is not allowed to enforce it.
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Male 10,845
[quote]i`m from Texas and there is a weird thing that says you must believe in a supreme being of some sort to hold office but it is not enforced at all. [/quote]

So am I but the phrase should be erased from the constitution nonetheless.
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Male 365
@kylezor So what you`re saying is that it *is* technically true. It doesn`t matter if it`s enforced, it matters that the law exists. Furthermore, it can be enforced at any time which is a serious threat to atheists in office.
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Male 675
Somehow I`m not surprised that Mississippi is on this list. With all the backwater, racist, bible beating "the South shall rise again" bulls#it that originates from there... yeah, I see how that made it into their laws.
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Male 462
No sane atheist politician is going to admit that they are anyhow
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Male 2
this is not true. i`m from Texas and there is a weird thing that says you must believe in a supreme being of some sort to hold office but it is not enforced at all. i agree we need to take separation of church and state more seriously but the Christians just have so much damn political power here.
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Male 7,775
So it`s fine to admit to butt-love, being allowed to stop in a country illegally because it might offend your human rights, cost your country millions but still get huge bonuses because you ran a bank poorly but dare to say you don`t believe in something as provable as the tooth-fairy and you`re stoned to death.
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Male 766
I thought you `mercans had a separation of church and state? This is the sort of thing they do in the Middle east! Why is there no hue and cry from all the other religions? I smell money for lawyers . . .
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Male 14,774
AKA the retards only rule.
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Male 13
hhmmmm now they just need churches to hand out membership cards so they know who is what cause any dime store sells crosses on chains and wham I`m a christian. (faith in humanity lost)
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Male 1,471
@bloomi: Doesn`t really matter ?!.. It`s flat out diskrimination on the basis of religious belief. It doesn`t matter how few people it affects, it`s still unconstitutional..
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Male 148
As much as this is plain wrong, given the high number of Christians in places like Texas the chances of an atheist being elected is so slim it doesn`t really matter.

If you ask me all religion should be abolished as a matter of course, since it only causes problems, but that`s a different conversation.
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Male 6,737
Just wrong...
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Male 11,740
5 of them don`t surprise me at all. I`d expect a little better from PA and MD. Oh well.
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Male 2,988
what? texas? i must fix this. good thing i live in the capitol. I`ll just put the change in an amendment hidden deep inside of a pro gun law so i can get it passed. easy enough.
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Male 1,558
The stinking idiots that are afraid of the dark are winning!! Seperating church from state- Fat chance!
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Male 2,345
thosbeama74

your very words endanger the idea that this country, the US is better than all the rest. How so you scream? because, if we throw out those that we do no agree with we are nothing more than the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Kim Jong Il and his little bastard son.

this is America, it was founded in response to people just like YOU that tried to force others to live their way and only their way.

what makes America amazing is that ALL WALKS of life are here, working together, combining strengths and overcoming weaknesses but this only happens if we respect each other and each others differences.

it is people like you that should leave but I would never ask or tell you too because even you, a lowly bigot is welcome in the US.
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Male 523
@carmium Actually, they aren`t offered enough. This is one of the cases where states shouldn`t have power though. Oh wait, what do you know? The states don`t have this kind of power! Please don`t make comments that aren`t true.
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Male 523
@jtrebowski Religion only dominates the presidential elections because it makes for good media. Religion is never mentioned at the state level. The laws don`t discriminate because they don`t do anything. Every state has laws like these - laws that are pointless garbage that just needs to be taken out.
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Male 625
[quote]Nuts? Unconstitutional? Just Plain Wrong?[/quote] D. All of the above

The Washington Post wrote in 2009:
[quote]Arkansas is one of half a dozen states that still exclude non-believers from public office. Article 19 Section 1 of the 1874 Arkansas Constitution states that "No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any court.[/quote]

Sad, just sad...
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Female 6,381
Almost unbelievable in this age. What makes the difference in Canada is that this kind of assinine nonsense would be quashed at the federal level. Individual states are entitled to far too much law-making power for their own good in America.
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Male 3,364
Dr. professor: "There is no problem here."

Are you denying that public sentiment, espicially in conservative states, don`t echo these laws?
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Male 2,143
lukforv123-you`d go to hell if there was one.Now the jews know who you are,good luck with that. As for you religious idiots out there...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Jesus christ you look soooo stupid. Just like republicans!
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Male 3,364
Eddy666: "@jtrebowski It`s really irrelevant. It doesn`t matter at all."

Yes it is. Look at how religion dominates our presidential elections.
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Male 3,894
Let me restate this: These laws are completely irrelevant. If someone were to try and prevent another person from getting into office on the grounds of their atheism, they would take it to court. The court would rule the law unconstitutional, because it totally is.

There is no problem here.
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Male 1,063
Now if we can just ban the jews
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Male 2,422
Away down south in Dixie!
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Male 1,497
T3hHippie is right... before it`s too late!
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Male 523
@jtrebowski It`s really irrelevant. It doesn`t matter at all.
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Male 512
@thosbeama74, it`s not your country and you have no right to expel anyone from the U.S. You don`t come across as a very bright person so I`ll assume you simply have no grasp or understanding of how anti-American your statement is.
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Male 166
Come to Canada! We still have some religious issues to work out but if enough of us come together, we may finally become the greatest country ever!
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Male 123
HOLY poo is this for real?!?
Packing my bags to Oman!
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Male 736
This has got to be a joke, right?
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Male 3,364
(cont) Tennessee:

"No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state."

Texas:

"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."

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Male 3,364
@KnotGnosis: good for you. PA did`nt pass the smell test, but you forgot
Maryland:

"That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution."

Arkansas:

"No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court."

Mississippi:

"No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state."

South Carolina:

"No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."

Tennessee:

"No person who denies the being o
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Male 1,582
Unconstitutional. Our country was founded on the idea of separation of church and state. No one should be ever be turned down for their religious beliefs. Not a Christian, not a Muslim, not an Atheist, nor a Scientologist.
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Male 17
I wish all you atheists would leave my Country and then you would find out that every other Country never will match up to the United States! Euro Douche Bags. Atheists, You`re always complaining about something.
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Male 18
This got me curious (since Im in PA) so I looked it up:

No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth.

Doesnt bar aetheist from holding office, only says you can`t be disqualified from holding office for your religious beliefs. Don`t trust everything you see on the internet...
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Male 37,888

We are so stupid we deserve to be wiped out.
I wouldn`t mind if the ones replacing us were better, but they`re even worse. Allah akbar!
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Male 523
@markust123 You would be correct.
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Male 523
This post is just one big load of bullpoo. Move along people. Nothing to see here.
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Male 2,345
TheGuySmiley

says the person from a country with almost as many atheist as religious people. seems to me it is working pretty well in your country.
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Male 2,345
this is your republican base at work.

republicans strive to control others and the way they live rather allowing people to live they way they chose.

from marriage, to work to who can hold office, indeed a republican run country in which they hold office unopposed would look so much like 1984 that anyone would be able to write that book had it not already been written.

and btw democrats are pussies and do-nothings.

however, they at least leave people alone for the most part when it comes to the way a person wants to live.
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Female 779
this survey from the UofM (Minnesota) ellaborates on prejudice aganst atheists in America

UofM survey
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Male 1,243
Look at it this way.

Proverbs 28:18 A nation without God`s guidance is a nation without order. Happy are those who keep God`s law!
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Female 403
Ummm, I can`t speak for the other states,but the PA law just says there won`t be discrimination of religion for those running for office....
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Female 355
This is not correct per se, Pennsylvania does not forbid an Atheist from holding office. but they do offer state constitutional protection for religious types that is not given to atheists.
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Male 840
What an unnecessary law. The voters won`t put an outed atheist in office. Politicians are still closet atheists. You might suspect that some of them are atheists but they will never admit it.
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Female 2,228
V Exactly. There are ridiculous state laws everywhere when you look hard enough. I think Maine has one about not being able to eat Blueberry Pie Ala mode in summer or something.

They say the states are the labs of our democracy, well sometimes they become the meth labs of our democracy. *Headdesk*
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Male 4,286
I`m guessing that these are just weird old laws that are still on the books but are not reinforced.
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Male 3,909
Wrong, nuts & unconstitutional.
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Male 3,894
This would be relatively easy to overturn--it`s religious discrimination, and I don`t think any court would be able to find in favor of the states. At least, not in this day and age.
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Female 2,228
Doesn`t matter what the states say, the federal Constitution has already spoken. Article VI read it and weep.

Moot point.
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Male 5,413
Banning those who aren`t gullible. Only idiots allowed in office.
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Male 7,378
No. This is incorrect. My home state of MD got the Supreme Court smack down in 1961. A little case called Torasco v Watkins. Torasco was picked to be a notary but refused to declare a belief in God and didn`t get the job as a result. He sued the state but the district court case was turned away. He took it to MD appellate court and lost. The judges argued he wasn`t compelled to take the job. So he took it to the Supremes where they gave MD the smack-down by saying: The fact, however, that a person is not compelled to hold public office cannot possibly be an excuse for barring him from office by state-imposed criteria forbidden by the Constitution.

So that case put an end to this list. Not everything you read is true.
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Male 201
bald-faced lie to get in, be best person in office since ever, somethingsomethingsomtething, pull a fast one and get fire, show how dumb this rule is
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Male 342
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Male 5,314
nuts
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Female 18
And how can they prove if you`re an atheist or not? I mean, if you apply to the jobs while wearing a crucifix, a hijab, or a kippah, then it`s ok?
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Male 1,526
That country is royally drated.
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Male 926
Seems to me like a violation of the Establishment Clause. If you can`t discriminate against others for their religious beliefs, those beliefs include both beliefs in the affirmative, and the negative.
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Male 5,608
Wrong and unconstitutional.
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Male 179
I like how it`s all the obvious ones.
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Male 4,793
I DONT WANT TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE, Canada, will you adopt me, pleeeeease?
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Male 715
this is and outrage, oh wait, I don`t care at all
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Male 677
Lol, America.
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Female 8,044
Link: Atheists Banned From Public Office [Pic] [Rate Link] - These 7 States ban atheists from holding public office. Nuts? Unconstitutional? Just Plain Wrong?
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