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  1. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    Link: America`s Obsession: A Documentary - Americans are really like this?
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:39 am
    America`s! no this is world wide. frome the being of time to the end all life.
    its call "natural selection"
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:39 am
    Oh yes, uniquely an American issue. I can see the lemmings have the floor at IAB today.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:41 am
    shes` asking young people and surprised that she getting shallow answers
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:44 am
    @yusuksomuch
    have ever been to anther country are have known any foreigners? try looking are on the Internet (you may have heard of it) you just mite learn something
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:45 am
    yusuksomuch is not a trolling, this is the title of the documentary, not my fault, and this video have been recorded in USA, still not my fault. Stop seing lemmings everywhere.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:47 am
    Undeniable truth of life #24: Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access to the mainstream of society.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:49 am
    Americans are really like this?

    Many fashion shows pushing this are in Europe.... Now what are of the world is constantly focused on our wieght again??
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    ChelmaCavo Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:51 am
    Ironically, in contrast with our weight, America really is like this, but honestly I thought everywhere was like this.
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    sparki1980 Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:52 am
    Girl says "pretty" she never gave her thought on what pretty meant, the videogrpaher defined their own definition of pretty... hence, this is just propaganda.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:54 am
    why do they only talk about Anorexia nervosa and
    Bulimia nervosa? what about: Binge eating disorder, Compulsive overeating, Purging disorder, Rumination, Diabulimia, Food maintenance, Pica, Night eating syndrome, Orthorexia nervosa,

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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:56 am
    There certainly truth to this, but even kids find self-confidence, intelligence, and a good sense of humor attractive as well.
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    morimacil123 Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:56 am
    "Do looks matter? Yes"
    Well duh. obviously, lokks matter, thats a stupid question. Ask those very same people the question
    "Does personality matter?"
    And their answer would also be yes.

    Obviously looks matter, the question isnt whether they matter or not, its more of how much they matter to you, how high you set the bar, and whether its the most important thing to you or not.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 6:58 am
    "yusuksomuch
    have ever been to anther country are have known any foreigners? try looking are on the Internet (you may have heard of it) you just mite learn something"

    You know I`ve never had any world experience because Im American right? lol, lemtard
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:00 am
    Lol i think we all must search a documentary about lemmings obsession for yusucksomuch ;-)
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:01 am
    "yusuksomuch is not a trolling, this is the title of the documentary, not my fault, and this video have been recorded in USA, still not my fault. Stop seing lemmings everywhere."

    you are one of the first people here to take a shot at Americans when ever you feel the chance has arisen, you are one of the founding lemmings. And I don`t see them everywhere, but when I do see them it`s usually here.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:02 am
    The women I have dated that are worried about their looks and weight have been from the fallowing places:
    US America
    United Kingdom
    Ukraine
    Holland
    Mongolia
    Navajo
    Mexico
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:06 am
    @yusuksomuch
    lemmings are cute. so you are calling us all cute.


    why thank you but im not gay so hit on someone else.
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    kelfred Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:06 am
    Men and society have idolized pretty women since Helen of Troy, and well before that. A video excoriating that ideal seems pretty pointless. Do magazines promote ideal beauty? Sure, because thats apparently what sells.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:08 am
    >>>Oh yes, uniquely an American issue. I can see the lemmings have the floor at IAB today.<<<


    Stop taking things so personally, dear boy. As Oscar Wilde once observed, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. Take the fact that people have opinions about America as a positive thing. Who gives a damn about Britain`s problems these days? - no-one, because we`re no longer important enough to care about. And, please sort your avi out - Bill is far older than that now; there`s another Oscar Wilde story about a guy with a picture in his attic that is appropriate to your situation, but I wont bore you with it now. ;-)
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    Airfalco Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:10 am
    Not to bog down the message, but people forget that men can be self-conscious too, maybe just as much as women. But unfortunately men are supposed to be invincible emotionless machines who don`t have any problems. Quite far from the truth.
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    Apexs Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:12 am
    Wow what a shock - a bunch of shallow teenagers have shallow answers.
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    JannatheGrea Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:13 am
    Of course a bunch of teenagers are going to be superficial. A lot of people don`t realize that they have to love themselves before they love someone else until they`re much older. That being said, though, teenagers are idiots. So. There`s that.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:19 am
    Thank you MacGuffin for bringing some intelligence into this thread. I didn`t realize I was dealing with special needs lemmings. You are absolutely correct and I think I will leave them to it. As for the Avi, Bill is forever young in my mind.
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    thatjimguy Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:21 am
    pointless discussion that has gone around for years. Looks matter for both sexes. We all know that other things matter, but we all want that AND good sex too. Go figure.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:21 am
    Not to bog down the message, but people forget that men can be self-conscious too, maybe just as much as women. But unfortunately men are supposed to be invincible emotionless machines who don`t have any problems. Quite far from the truth.

    I had a boyfriend once that cried whilst we were watching the Oscars and it came to the bit about who had died that year. Give me strength: amn`t I`m meant to vulnerable, emotional one? at least I managed not to laugh at him. Even though he was being a big jessie.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:24 am


    Here i am.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:25 am
    @Airfalco
    dont for get: Muscular, Rich and Tall.
    for only $120k you can be ealler thus men sex to woman.

    Show of hands girls how many of you are married to or are dating a man shorter then yourself? Or a foot taller?

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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:28 am
    This was a documentary with a clear agenda. You know damn good and well that they had plenty of kids who said looks weren`t the most important thing or the only thing, but those replies were editted out because they didn`t support the pre-formed conclusion.

    I`m a guy, and I admit that certain proportions on a gal are appealing (that magic .7 waist/hip ratio) but I don`t like the too-skinny look. I don`t want to date a woman who looks like a 13 year old boy.

    And as long as we`re cutting through the BS here... I think for most guys, if a woman shows interest in them, will be *pretty darn flexible* about the acceptability of her looks.

    The whole beauty industry business and "Barbie ideal" is 99% by-women for-women. They hold each other to standards that are extremely different than the standards most guys have.
  30. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:28 am
    Looks matter for both sexes.

    Actually, maybe I`m weird and other women will chip in here and tell me if so, but for guys looks really aren`t very important at all. I`m not saying you can get away without brushing your teeth and showering occasionally, but you just don`t need to be pretty in the way that appears to be very important for women in order to be attractive to women. When I`m dating a guy, I prefer to be the pretty one. As long as he`s kind, attentive, preferably physically strong and taller than me (not easy at 5`9" let me tell you), he`s alright in my book as a physical specimen. It all comes down to personality after that. As for women: the world`s portrayed in such distorted terms for us that it`s actually a shock for most men to see a woman without makeup. They even portray women waking up in bed in full face makeup in dramas on TV.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:29 am
    @yusuksomuch
    dude MacGuffin is not got to sleep with you.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Blah Blah Blah

    Yes, like all animals, men look at a desirable mate based on physical criteria. No differant than lions, wolves, or wildebeests. But guys are honest about it, yes we want a pretty partner!

    Women look for the best provider then best looking. They want both, but they`ll pick a rich ugly guy over a poor hot guy. Don`t believe me? Then how do you explain Hugh Heffner, or the hot babes ugly Richard Branson gets?
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    Tinrac Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:34 am
    I understand the arguments given in the video (and i didn`t watch till the end, so forgive me if the question was answered.) but, what do they want done? For people to stop trying to make themselves look sexier or more appealing to the opposite sex? "You`re beautiful just the way you are so don`t bother trying to compete with people who are naturally more attractive to the opposite sex than you are. You just wait for the person who wants you to come along, instead of trying to get the person you WANT to want you. ???
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    ChelmaCavo Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:35 am
    @thatjimguy: attractiveness = good sex? Have you ever been with an American prostitute?.... or prison, maybe.
  35. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:40 am
    Yes, like all animals, men look at a desirable mate based on physical criteria. No differant than lions, wolves, or wildebeests. But guys are honest about it, yes we want a pretty partner!

    I think there`s definitely something in that: what other reason would I prefer someone that`s physically stronger than me (and therefore presumably more of a threat to me), than it would give any offspring a greater chance of survival? Maybe we are all just little biological computers, programmed by our genes to behave in ways that aren`t necessarily in our self-interest, but are in the interest of getting our genes passed along?

    But then again, we must be more complex than that simple explanation might suggest. Otherwise why would you find some individuals that seem to be pre-programmed in ways that make it unlikely for their genes to get passed on, such as in homosexuality?

    It`s a weird old thing, human attraction.
  36. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:41 am
    @ChelmaCavo
    >>Have you ever been with an American prstitute?....

    no, what is like?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:41 am
    Bu!!poo from the first line.

    Let`s make it clear: Life is not fair. Never was, never will be. There`s someone out there better looking and smarter than you. Get over it.

    `Beauty` has been defined, re-defined and pursued since the dawn of time. Get over it.

    The earliest paintings and sculptures (that pre-date the USA) were not of ugly girls. Get over it.

    Women are just as bad as chasing men based on looks as men are women. Get over it.

    Not all men `expect` every woman to be `pretty`. The very concept of `pretty` varies from person to person.

    This Documentary is not about an `obsession`, it`s about the fact that Life is Not Fair (and the person(s) who created the video are under the mistaken impression that life SHOULD be fair. It`s not, get over it).
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    UserIDTaken9 Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:42 am
    "Has pretty become the new expectation; the new ideal?"

    This is stupid beyond belief. Pretty women have always been sought after. The only way we are different about it now is that western society at least gives lip service to the idea that it`s wrong. Even doing that is better than the majority of history.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:48 am
    @MacGuffin
    studies have shown homosexuality genes make it more likely to pass on your genes.
    Bisexuals have a LOT more sex the homosexuals and heterosexuals
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:51 am
    Anyone know if you can get a pet lemming?? They`re pretty cute!!

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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:53 am
    >>>studies have shown homosexuality genes make it more likely to pass on your genes.
    Bisexuals have a LOT more sex the homosexuals and heterosexuals<<<


    Which studies? Because in Muslim countries today, for example, it just makes it far more likely that you`ll get your head removed from your body. And even in my own `enlightened` country, being homosexual as recently as 60 years ago was a shortcut to being sentenced to having involuntary female hormone injections to render you impotent and reduce your libido.

  42. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:53 am
    here is some light reading
    Intelligence and physical attractiveness
  43. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:54 am
    Anyone know if you can get a pet lemming?? They`re pretty cute!!

    Stand under a cliff, and shout "AMERICA!!!!!!".
  44. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:55 am
    here is some light reading
    Intelligence and physical attractiveness

    It`s an article about how intelligence may be related to human attractiveness, and Ctrl-F tells me it doesn`t even contain the word "homosexual".
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:55 am

    MacGuffin "we must be more complex than that simple explanation might suggest. Otherwise why would you find some individuals that seem to be pre-programmed in ways that make it unlikely for their genes to get passed on, such as in homosexuality?"
    Well, I`m gay and I have a son, so.....

    Mostly I agree with you. We are more than just the programming of evolution. We have minds and can override basic instinct. But initial attraction? well all you know about them is their appearance at first look. Later you get more info and can override superficial attractions....of add to it.
  46. Profile photo of SunnyNphilly
    SunnyNphilly Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:58 am
    everyone is not equal. life is not fair. move on.
  47. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 7:59 am
    Homosexuality/Homosexual behavior is not exclusive to humans. or Americans.

    I`m sure it is quite widely spread. It`s just difficult to explain the phenomenon in terms of an adaptation that helps ensure the survival of your genes.

    Maybe it`s a societal thing? Like bees. Some of us get to have a better chance at procreation, whilst others have roles that support society as a more gestalt entity, by playing roles that are more supportive in nature, and getting to be more fabulous and generally having lives that are more fun?*







    * May not exactly resemble bees.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:00 am
    But then again, we must be more complex than that simple explanation might suggest. Otherwise why would you find some individuals that seem to be pre-programmed in ways that make it unlikely for their genes to get passed on, such as in homosexuality?
    It is close to being as simple as that. Our basic biology directs most of our actions, and our brains are hard-wired to gravitate to potential partners that conform to Jungian archetypes. The difference between humans and other animals is that our cognitive functioning allows us to disregard many of these urges if we so choose, which is also why things like pheromones have little effect on our higher cognitive processes. We`re all slaves to our genes in the most basic sense, however we`ve evolved past the point where we are driven only by instinct.
  49. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:00 am
    @MacGuffin
    heres` one. there are a lot more out there
    Evolution myths: Natural selection cannot explain homosexuality
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:03 am
    You typically see someone before you talk to them, so of course looks matter. Before we speak to someone, we see if they`re angry, or crying, or smiling, ... It changed how we approach a stranger.

    On that note, choose healthy over pretty. AKA, visit Japan and get bombarded with advertising that`s primarily focused on how healthy a food is, not how good it looks/tastes.

    You want to spot an American for sure? Go to an Asian market and round up all the fat people. There`s your Americans.
  51. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Well, I`m gay and I have a son, so.....

    Mostly I agree with you. We are more than just the programming of evolution. We have minds and can override basic instinct. But initial attraction? well all you know about them is their appearance at first look. Later you get more info and can override superficial attractions....of add to it.

    I`m being slightly whimsical of course, but I`d be genuinely interested to see a study that showed gay men really did get some genetic advantage from their inner motivations to sleep with other men.

    There`s some really weird studies that show, as well as mere physical attraction, women are also attracted to men`s *smell*. In a blind study, they`ll prefer the smell of t-shirts that have been worn by men that are more genetically different to them (and which therefore would give any offspring a greater survival advantage).

    We`re a weird old mixed-up species, us humans.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:05 am
    Bzzz... bee? MacGuffin are you talking at me?
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:06 am
    heres` one. there are a lot more out there
    Evolution myths: Natural selection cannot explain homosexuality

    Thanks DM, I`ll have a read at that.
  54. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:07 am
    Is so fun how the rating of this post is going down.
    I found it an interesting post or at least it seem me well partecipated.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:08 am
    Bzzz... bee? MacGuffin are you talking at me?

    Never mind bee, you`re a little beesom*, pf. ;-)







    * In Scottish = "rascal"
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:13 am
    Rascal like "flowers" too. ;-)
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:15 am

    MacG - the best explanation I`ve heard for homosexual behavior in animals is that it provides bonding between peers for group acceptance and mutual protection.

    Don`t know how true it is, but it makes some sense. Roman warriors did the same thing, had a "little buddy" and a wife. Male bonding is a really weird subject.

    I`ve strayed off topic again, haven`t I.
  58. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:18 am
    Is so fun how the rating of this post is going down.
    I found it an interesting post or at least it seem me well partecipated.

    I think it`s a feature of the fact that the people most likely to vote are those voting a post down. In any hotly-debated topic, a certain percentage will disagree with the views being expressed, and be motivated to downvote it. More mundane posts that don`t warrant any sort of positive or negative reaction end up being ignored, and staying at 3-4 stars.
  59. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:21 am
    Gerry1of1 usualy dominants animals males want others males to be subdued by sex to show to the group they are the kings of the pak.
  60. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:30 am
    MacG - the best explanation I`ve heard for homosexual behavior in animals is that it provides bonding between peers for group acceptance and mutual protection.

    Don`t know how true it is, but it makes some sense. Roman warriors did the same thing, had a "little buddy" and a wife. Male bonding is a really weird subject.

    I`ve strayed off topic again, haven`t I.

    I think your observations are on-topic; they`re certainly about the reasons for different types of attraction (and the pressures they place on people to conform to a particular ideal of attractiveness). Interesting to note, both from your comments and from the link DM provided, that homosexuality may promote a more societal advantage than an individual one. Kind of kin selection.

    ...
  61. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:30 am

    I read a book by Lyall Watson years ago, called `Dark Nature`, that talked a lot about the reasons for different types of human and animal behaviour, and framed it all in terms of genetic advantage. The book referenced a study that showed hyenas will risk their lives twice as often for their own cubs (in which they share a 50% genetic investment), than for their siblings` cubs (which share at most 25% of their genes). It`d be interesting, from an abstract point of view, if homosexuality were explainable in similar genetic terms. DM`s link has a study that talks about how gay men spend more time with their nieces and nephews, promoting their wellbeing and chances of growing up to be well-adjusted people with a greater chance of procreating themselves, for example.

    Now, we just need to know what the genetic advantage for women is in wearing Jimmy Choos, taking time out to do makeup every morning, and spending two hours washing your hair because it`s so bloody long!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:31 am
    @MacGuffin

    My height is 6 feet even!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Rating? For me it`s

    4 - actually laughed out loud, or appropriate response.
    3 - entertained, but not thrilling
    2 - meh
    1 - FAIL

    Sometimes the posted replies are far more entertaining than the original post so even if it`s a low score it can be entertaining.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:32 am

    We need "LIKE" buttons for individual comments.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:35 am
    Why is the implication that only Americans are obsessed with it? This is worldwide. We just happen to have the largest media output, that`s all.

    A lot of the traits men and women are looking for in partners are explained by biological evolution. When a woman puts on makeup, it`s not just to hide flaws, it`s to present an image of fertility, which is at the root of what men are attracted to. Beckoning eyes, facial symmetry, nice breasts, etc. are all symbols of this. It`s the same reason women are attracted to men who are strong (physically or mentally) and driven.

    John Cleese did a documentary program on the human face that covered a lot of this.
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    Phranky Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:41 am
    You know - I`m really getting tired of the poor, so sad, sucks to be a woeman thing (yes, I purposely spelled it that way).

    Men and boys go through this as well, always the friend, never the lover.

    In highschool (I`m 48 now), girls wouldn`t even look at me, I was a geek, a 6`4" geek, but an was branded, "uncool", I loved computers etc..

    Then, when I graduate University, get an absolutely stellar job, rise rapidly through the ranks to executive level in my early 30`s, suddenly women are on me like a fat kid on a red Smarty.

    Lots of guys I know, good looking, trade jobs, women won`t even talk to them, even though women say they just want to meet a, "nice guy".

    No they don`t, the want a guy with money, that`s why I`m glad I met my wife of 21 years when I was in school.

    Getting real tired of all this poor me, woeman poo...guess what kittens, it happens to us ALL!

    Stop the incessant whining!!

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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:46 am
    Phranky
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:48 am
    You know, I`m so over this kind of thinking. When I was a teenager, stuff like this consumed me. But then I grew up and realized that image is important, but even though society pushes one image on us, men and women still each have their own perception of beauty. My honey finds me to be hot stuff, and that`s all that really matters to me. If he`s happy, I`m doing something right. Everyone else can drat off. :)
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    June 22, 2012 at 8:51 am
    I think the best way to maximize your attractiveness is to take excellent care of your teeth and get the correct haircut and if you wear glasses, get a pair that compliment your face. See? You`re better already.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 8:52 am
    You know - I`m really getting tired of the poor, so sad, sucks to be a woeman thing

    There are upsides and downsides for each gender. I don`t think most women would want to *be* men, but we do want to enjoy the same advantages that men have, such as greater pay. Speaking personally, I find my gender has only helped my career. I work in a predominantly male profession (technical geekery), so it makes me stand out when I go for job interviews. As long as you know what you`re talking about and can do the job, all other things being equal, when it comes to choosing between Developer Barbie or one of the twenty other guys that will probably wear death metal t-shirts every single day in the office and be unable to have actual conversations with other human beings that aren`t geeks (but who do need our help to do whatever it is they do), it`s a no brainer to hire the one that looks OK and is able to talk to people as well as write code.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 8:53 am
    In highschool (I`m 48 now)

    PS: so get "30-39" off your profile, then.
  72. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 8:57 am
    when it comes to choosing between Developer Barbie or one of the twenty other guys that will probably wear death metal t-shirts every single day in the office and be unable to have actual conversations with other human beings that aren`t geeks (but who do need our help to do whatever it is they do), it`s a no brainer to hire the one that looks OK and is able to talk to people as well as write code.

    PFFFSSHHH HACK!!
  73. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:03 am
    @MacGuffin
    Now put this on it`s corporate policy!!
  74. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4916 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:04 am
    MacGuffin"but we do want to enjoy the same advantages that men have"
    You mean something like that?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36834 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Oystah, "the best way to maximize your attractiveness..."
    I couldn`t disagree more.
    The BEST way to maximize your attractiveness is to only hang out with people uglier than yourself. My friends are old, ugly and fat - it`s always worked for me.
  76. Profile photo of Phranky
    Phranky Male 40-49
    62 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:27 am
    @MacGuffin

    Thanks for the tip - changed my age.

    PS: so get Europe off your profile then, you live in the UK.
  77. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:37 am
    PS: so get Europe off your profile then, you live in the UK.

    You`re just embarrassing yourself now. And I thought it was only Americans that were oblivious to their ignorance of basic geography.
  78. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3347 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:40 am
    @Gerry1of1 We need "LIKE" buttons for individual comments.
    yes that would nice. a lot of other site have them
  79. Profile photo of Phranky
    Phranky Male 40-49
    62 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:42 am
    @MacGuffin

    Well the world I live in denotes Glasgow, Scotland as:

    Glasgow is the largest city in Scotland and third most populous in the United Kingdom. The city is situated on the River Clyde in the country`s West Central Lowlands.

    Glad I could clear that up for you, Europe is across the channel...in case you didn`t know.
  80. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3347 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:44 am
    i think Phranky was joking
  81. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2012 at 9:44 am
    The UK is still Europe, dude. Anyway, I don`t think I-A-B even gives another option for people who live in the UK.
  82. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3347 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:46 am
    we all know that the UK is one of the 50 "States" in Europe
  83. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4916 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:46 am
    Phranky the island north of France is still inside Europe, maybe not inside economic Europe nowaday but have allways be in the geographical zone called Europe.
  84. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:51 am
    @Phranky: It`s not often I find someone that`s as prepared to demonstrate their own geographical ignorance so completely. Are you certain you weren`t born in the US and emigrated?

    This is Europe in green:



    What continent was it, pray tell, that in "your world" the UK is in?
  85. Profile photo of Phranky
    Phranky Male 40-49
    62 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:52 am
    The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain) is a sovereign state located off the north-western coast of continental Europe. The country includes the island of Great Britain, the north-eastern part of the island of Ireland and many smaller islands. Northern Ireland is the only part of the UK that shares a land border with another sovereign state—the Republic of Ireland. Apart from this land border the UK is surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean, the North Sea, the English Channel and the Irish Sea.

    Notice, "located off the north-western coast of continental Europe".

    The UK is the UK, it is not a part of the European continent, it is a series of Islands off the European continent, basic geography, look it up.
  86. Profile photo of DeutschDude9
    DeutschDude9 Male 18-29
    473 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:55 am
    @dm2754

    It`s called sexual selection, not natural selection. Small but distinct difference.
  87. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:57 am
    The BEST way to maximize your attractiveness is to only hang out with people uglier than yourself. My friends are old, ugly and fat - it`s always worked for me.

  88. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:57 am
    @Phranky:

    I know where I live. And so, thank goodness, do the vast majority of IABers. You`re making a right tit of yourself, and no mistake.
  89. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4916 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:58 am
    Phranky So also Sicily and Sardinia islands are not in Europe for you?
  90. Profile photo of Phranky
    Phranky Male 40-49
    62 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:00 am
    Britain is not part of Europe, in as far as the political meaning of the word is concerned. Britain is always recently described separately from Europe, as its monarch is described, the passport does not include Europe, but does include access to certain European countries, (since the 60s), of which visas are required (by some). The passport actually separates Great Britain from European countries or the European Union.
    Geologically, Great Britain is part of the continental shelf, but that is a geological term and not a political one. All the older atlases printed up until about 1970s described Great Britain, or rather, The British Isles as separate from Europe.

    Having posted this, there does seem to be a debate out there regarding UK being a part of Europe or not, so all I can say at this point is we`ve all learned something new today, and I`m glad to have been enlightened to this debate.

    Cheers!



  91. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:06 am
    Having posted this, there does seem to be a debate out there regarding UK being a part of Europe or not, so all I can say at this point is we`ve all learned something new today, and I`m glad to have been enlightened to this debate.
    I was worried for a minute, but Canadian polite kindness prevails! XD
  92. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:07 am
    as its monarch is described, the passport does not include Europe

    What, this passport?



    And that`s before we even get in to the fact that you think continents are sub-divisions of countries, rather than the other way round.

    I really hope you are trolling, because otherwise I`ve got another theory about why you were unattractive to people in high school: they just didn`t want to procreate with someone likely to produce stupid kids.
  93. Profile photo of Phranky
    Phranky Male 40-49
    62 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:07 am
    Hahaha - atlases printed up to the 70`s, thats when I would have been in school and hence formed this opinion.

    Been reading a lot about this, and it seems there are many opinions on this, but the vast majority land on the UK is European, so I stand corrected!

  94. Profile photo of Phranky
    Phranky Male 40-49
    62 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:09 am
    @MacGuffin

    Forgot to mention in my last post, my apologies!
  95. Profile photo of danagamer
    danagamer Male 30-39
    701 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:09 am
    1) this "documentary was made by some high school kid.
    2) the only girls obsessed with beauty are the fugly ones
  96. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:16 am
    `the only girls obsessed with beauty are the fugly ones`

    You`ve never met a woman before, have you?
  97. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:19 am
    Forgot to mention in my last post, my apologies!

    No problem - thank you for recognising your mistake.

    It always amazes me when people (usually, it has to be said, it will be an American) tries to insist they know more about the country I`ve lived in my entire life than I do. I once had an American uncle ask me why I didn`t use a Scottish passport? (!) When I informed him the reason was because they don`t exist, he went on to argue :

    1) That they do.
    2) I really should have one if I`m actually Scottish.

    It turned out that he just honestly didn`t understand that Eire is an entirely separate country to Scotland, and it was an Irish passport he was on about. )-|
  98. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6243 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:20 am
    MacGuffin-"but we do want to enjoy the same advantages that men have, such as greater pay"

    Then work the same jobs and invest the same amount of hours. The `Gender Wage Gap` myth has been debunked. They NEVER compare a man and a woman working the same job and same amount of hours. The `77 cents for every dollar a man makes` statistic is misleading. The U.S. Census Bureau finds the median wage for full-time male and female workers and then calculates the difference. They do NOT take into account career-choices (hint: full-time engineer makes more than full-time elementary school teacher) or that men are more likely to have dangerous jobs, high stress jobs, work longer hours, and travel more for work.

    Don`t believe me? 93% of all on-the-job deaths are MEN (do you want that stat to be equal, too?)

    Want to compare apples-to-apples? Fact: young, childless, single urban women earn 8 percent more than their male counterparts.
  99. Profile photo of Phranky
    Phranky Male 40-49
    62 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:26 am
    @MacGuffin

    Yes, you never learn from winning, you always win from learning.

    Just got owned by my English neighbour David, he said, "absolutely yes we consider ourselves European!"

    Guess I was reading too literally, the UK, and France and the just past 68th annivsary of D-Day, which we study as the, "Invasion of Europe".

    But it was fasinating to discuss this, and I`m glad that I`ve learned something new.

    Here is a great story about my country:

    Damn - can`t post the link, Google, The Band, Canadian Driftwood, and watch the video.

    Cheers all!!
  100. Profile photo of Phranky
    Phranky Male 40-49
    62 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:28 am
    @MacGuffin

    And I shoud have known better with my Mum`s maiden name of Urquart...she just told me I was a, "Dumbass", ofcourse we`re European!!

    Sheesh!!!
  101. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:30 am
    >>>Then work the same jobs and invest the same amount of hours.<<<


    Yeah, right, it`s that simple. It`s not like it`s not as if men have been shown time and time again to be getting paid more than women for doing exactly the same jobs or anything.
  102. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:33 am
    It always amazes me when people (usually, it has to be said, it will be an American) tries to insist they know more about the country I`ve lived in my entire life than I do.

    Yes those form Europe never do that......

    PUT THE SHIRT ON MAC!!! It adds +25 to Tech skill with a -5 to Charisma!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:33 am
    from*
  104. Profile photo of HalfPintRoo
    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
    2765 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:35 am
    I want a perfect body, I want a perfect soul
  105. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:36 am
    I want a perfect body, I want a perfect soul

    You`re a woman, you`ve probably got one already. Now all you need is a bloke.
  106. Profile photo of Phranky
    Phranky Male 40-49
    62 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:36 am
    >>>Then work the same jobs and invest the same amount of hours.<<<

    Women to this day are still being punished for being Mothers. In my department, I have many Mums, I equip everyone of my staff with laptops and VPN to work from anywhere.

    Many times, my three managers will come in and report someone`s child is sick again and can`t come in.

    I then said to the Mum`s I know, stop calling your Manager, call me, and as long as your work is done, I don`t care where you do it.

    Women are still burdened with the majority of child care, and because of this, they can`t put in the hours. I`ve seen many women, who were brilliant, that I`ve mentored to become VPs, go and maternity leave, and when they get back, they get shafted.

    I;ll say it again, women are punished for being women, senior execs generally won`t promote young women because they think they`ll waste all this time and money and then they`ll go off and have babies.

    N
  107. Profile photo of cyborg
    cyborg Male 13-17
    2790 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:38 am
    this is obviously made by a high school girl. probably a ugly one by how dramatic she`s being about the entire thing, even though it`s true
  108. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:41 am
    PUT THE SHIRT ON MAC!!! It adds +25 to Tech skill with a -5 to Charisma!

    I was only exaggerating before about the heavy metal t-shirts that geeks wear. Real male geeks wear a shirt and tie these days, in order to differentiate themselves as people that can actually code rather than just being one of those minimum wage bods that companies employ purely to change the backup tapes at night and blow canned air into secretaries` sticky keyboards.
  109. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:55 am
    Real male geeks wear a shirt and tie these days, in order to differentiate themselves as people that can actually code rather than just being one of those minimum wage bods that companies employ purely to change the backup tapes at night and blow canned air into secretaries` sticky keyboards.

  110. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 11:00 am
    @patch: OMFG, I hope he doesn`t drop that internet he`s holding!
  111. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 11:02 am
    @MacGuffin: Word would never do that.
  112. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 11:07 am
    @MacGuffin: Word would never do that.

    His name`s MOSS not Word; you trying to test my geek knowledge, buddy? ;-)
  113. Profile photo of faaaaq
    faaaaq Male 18-29
    693 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 11:25 am
    MacGuffin, if they were a "real male geek" they would wear whatever the drat they wanted to, not wear the "official male geek uniform." people that do are just losers trying to make sure the entire world knows they are a "real male geek" for some stupid reason and most often they are likely just posers
  114. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 11:30 am
    @faq: They make you change the backup tapes, huh?
  115. Profile photo of gladhatter
    gladhatter Male 50-59
    219 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 11:46 am
    ....and Germans, and Brits, and French, and Swiss, and Aussies, ...... NOT just Americans! Gimme a frickin break!
  116. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6243 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 11:58 am
    Phranky-"Women to this day are still being punished for being Mothers."

    They are not being `punished for being mothers`. They are chosing their children over their job.

    Me and a co-worker (Patty) work the same job, making the same pay.

    When overtime comes up, she refuses it as she want`s to spend more time with her kids. I take it.

    When we accrue vacation time, she takes it to spend more time with her kids. I accrue it and cash it out, as I like the extra money.

    By the end of the year, I`ve made $20,000 more in salary. Are you trying to tell me that this is `unfair`? Do you think she should be paid an additional $20,000 a year to do less work just so she`ll make the same? (would this be `fair`?)


    Phranky-"equip everyone of my staff with laptops and VPN"

    Great, that`s nice. But until a crane or a forklift can be driven as a Waldo, there are some jobs you just have to be present for.
  117. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6243 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    MacGuffin-"It`s not as if men have been shown time and time again to be getting paid more than women for doing exactly the same jobs or anything."

    Read your own article. That ruling included men, too. It was more about roles. As quoted `100 male clients, who were employed in roles that had traditionally been considered women`s roles such as caring and cleaning.`.

    So it wasn`t `gender` as much as `job-classification`. Different jobs pay different rates.

    Show me a woman DOING THE SAME EXACT JOB as a man where she`s getting paid a lower rate. THEN you`d have a complaint.

    I`ve worked jobs where everyone in the job classification got the same pay, no matter what their sex.

    I`ve also worked jobs where everyone got paid different rates, but it was based SOLELY on seniority, not gender.
  118. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    His name`s MOSS not Word; you trying to test my geek knowledge, buddy?

    If I were testing it you would have failed. Word was his nickname when he joined 8+. :-)
  119. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3347 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    @DeutschDude9 sexual selection
    that not what i was going with. i`m talking about natural selection. seeing beauty as good health
  120. Profile photo of DeutschDude9
    DeutschDude9 Male 18-29
    473 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 1:35 pm
    Seeing beauty as good health is sexual selection. Sexual selection are individuals selecting who to mate with. Natural selection is natural `forces` selecting who is able to reproduce further.

    This is obviously about how Americans (individuals) select who they could potentially mate with.
  121. Profile photo of Crabes
    Crabes Male 30-39
    1285 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    this is what people buy
  122. Profile photo of Misfit-Mutt
    Misfit-Mutt Female 18-29
    349 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 2:14 pm
    So women from other parts of the world aren`t obsessed with their appearances? Give me a break! Also, they only interviewed high-school girls who are always dramatic about EVERYTHING. I get the message they were so desperately trying to send, but it was not received well.
  123. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3347 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 2:15 pm
    @DeutschDude9
    okay if you say so
    i whould have to look it up but i dont relly care
  124. Profile photo of thatjimguy
    thatjimguy Male 30-39
    458 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    @chemlaCavo

    Yeah the more attractive a person is of course equals better sex. Why the drat do you think they get more dates? Because they make meals taste bette when you sit across from them?
  125. Profile photo of emmettyville
    emmettyville Female 40-49
    4348 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 3:37 pm
    tell us something we didn`t know...
  126. Profile photo of robosnitz
    robosnitz Male 40-49
    2737 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 6:31 pm
    I like pretty fat girls.
  127. Profile photo of Dead-Kittens
    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
    1123 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm
    I would have given this a little more credit if it made even the slightest reference to the ideal male image. Not having a gajillion dollars, a full head of hair, a `workout for 2 hours a day` body and a 12" wang is exactly the same thing. Thats why we have liquor!
  128. Profile photo of thefuzzmanco
    thefuzzmanco Male 30-39
    14 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    Ladies... 99% of you are drating beautiful. The other 1%... this may or may not be mean but, you might NEED that surgery. Sorry. Am I an non-nice individual?
  129. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    This video sounded like something a couple of pissed-off ugly chicks would make.
  130. Profile photo of mytbozak
    mytbozak Male 30-39
    506 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 12:33 am
    quit b1chng about men liking pretty women, its the same as how you cant pick on fat ppl anymore but skinny ppl is open season. don`t like it? get pretty then
  131. Profile photo of mytbozak
    mytbozak Male 30-39
    506 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 12:38 am
    oh and quit b1chng about men making more $. dont like it? then the next time a boat sinks its children only 1st. you ho`s want everything a man has? then take everything that comes with it.
  132. Profile photo of Agent0024blo
    Agent0024blo Male 18-29
    197 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 12:55 am
    I don`t know if anyone has said this... IT`S FERKING HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS!!!! OF COURSE THEY`RE ALL ABOUT LOOKS! FERK!
  133. Profile photo of richanddead
    richanddead Male 18-29
    3507 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 1:02 am
    New research is finding that human womens` breasts are uniquely swollen and large, mainly because human guys have always liked big tits. Way before Barbie ever came along, people knew what they wanted, and no little service announcement will ever change that.
  134. Profile photo of Wendypants
    Wendypants Female 30-39
    2420 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 4:56 am
    This is nothing new to anyone who has a brain. What is sad is that men are being roped into this farce as well.
  135. Profile photo of drawman61
    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7750 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 6:20 am
    Funny how it`s the women and girls that spend all their cash on beauty products to disguise themselves as something they are not, then blame the men for liking what they see.
  136. Profile photo of Zuriel
    Zuriel Male 30-39
    554 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 7:41 am
    @drawman61.. yep

    It`s also funny the film makers don`t take in to account the old adage "beauty is held in the eye of the beholder".... witch is true. I think the film makers are pressing their "issue" to the point of laughaility.
  137. Profile photo of Bredlom
    Bredlom Male 18-29
    41 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 10:06 am
    lol the kid in the background at 5:18
  138. Profile photo of NightHack
    NightHack Male 18-29
    204 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 10:52 am
    I think that when we look at the problem of beauty we`re looking in the wrong place; it`s not the result of too much input distorting our own view of what is beautiful. As richanddead has stated, it`s a natural drive that tells us what we want. It has nothing to do with what advertisements tell us. These exist to entice women into buying products to make themselves more beautiful, i.e. superior to, their peers. This is nothing new; Victorian women bled themselves fair and crushed their ribs in corsets to obtain a beauty ideal.
    The obsession with thinness is a problem in our culture; this is a place where our perception of beauty has been distorted by our culture. In many cultures, very thin women are not considered attractive because it means they are too poor to afford quality food. In our society, obesity is linked to poor diet whereas thinness is viewed as an achievement that is difficult to obtain.
  139. Profile photo of keith2
    keith2 Male 30-39
    2589 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 11:42 pm
    Some angry fat feminist made this. Women are just as judgmental on how men look. Don`t get it twisted now.
  140. Profile photo of photomstr
    photomstr Male 50-59
    766 posts
    June 25, 2012 at 8:10 am
    I call bullpoo . . . since the dawn of man, we are designed to go for the pretty girl. You can`t fight millions of years of evolution. There is nothing wrong about teaching that beauty is only skin deep and a fashion model is out of most men`s league. You must love yourself before you can truly love another. The rest is just sex.
  141. Profile photo of blueback
    blueback Male 18-29
    1 post
    June 26, 2012 at 7:43 pm
    Stupid tautology is stupid. Of course if you carefully redefine "beautiful" until it applies to everyone by default...then everyone is beautiful. Unfortunately, the entire video was about physical attractiveness, not inner warmth or sense of humor or any of the other feel-good BS they trotted out at the end.

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