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    SaintPatty Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2012 at 6:34 am
    Link: America`s Healthcare Is Nuts: The Numbers - In short, do not get sick in America.
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    wowcow Male 30-39
    83 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 7:01 am
    I already knew this! I had to get an electrocardiogram (which took maybe 30 min) and with good insurance I still had to pay over $500.
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2012 at 7:13 am
    In developed parts of the world there is a maximum limit to how much you can spend every year on health care. It is typically around 400 dollars.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    June 15, 2012 at 7:15 am
    Capitalism is fine and well; Runaway greed is another matter.
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    faustsshadow Male 30-39
    418 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 7:16 am
    Well, this certainly gives the whole story.
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    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
    642 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 7:20 am
    I had to get some treatments, also in hospital for ruptured ACL, including MRI of the knee, surgery and 2 weeks of hospital stay, never saw 1 bill, insurance paid everything, also normal doctors visits and stuff. up until I was 23, then I had to get and pay my own insurance, but with that I only pay 1000$ per year maximum in treatments, the rest is paid by the insurance if necessary. so if I break an arm and the treatment costs 10000, I pay 1000 and he insurance the rest. at 100$ per month insurance premium.
    (prices are estimates based on converting Euro to USD) I `m german.
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    Tekinette Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2012 at 7:20 am
    My dad had an X-ray yesterday, he paid 8 Euros (10$). I don`t even want to know how much it would have been in the US.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 15, 2012 at 7:27 am
    Tort reform would go a long long way in lowering costs. Tort reform would lower malpractice insurance rates, which in turn would lower costs for everything across the board. It costs doctors over $100,000 a year for malpractice insurance. Then there is the jungle of other insurance paperwork that has to be filed that they have to pay to have done for them. Also the nurses in their office have to have malpractice insurance, which the doctors pay for, and it goes on and on with even more expenses.

    Dealing with insurances is the single biggest expense and headache doctors have, there are even more headaches if they take medicare patients, as many states are months behind on paying the doctors.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    June 15, 2012 at 7:34 am
    Hmm- I am 48. been working since I was 17 with four breaks for children. Always low paid work and Ni rates vary so not sure how much I have paid in to the system over the years. Nothing like this, and not a penny when I needed treatment. Thank God for the NHS......
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2012 at 7:38 am
    "Capitalism is fine and well; Runaway greed is another matter."

    They are very connected. Capitalism is built on greed and it produces it.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2012 at 7:42 am
    It`s okay. I`m cute enough to get all my things done for free.







    I wish.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2012 at 7:48 am
    Capitalism is built on greed and it produces it.

    Socialism makes it worse.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2012 at 7:48 am
    Being in Canada and having a lawfirm`s health benefits saved me. Any place else, I would have died 100%. It did cost me money but really how much would you spend?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2012 at 7:52 am
    Untrue. Greed, is good.

    If greed were allowed to run its course, it would drive down prices, through competition.

    Government regulations drive up prices, along with high instances of malpractice, because you can sue for anything at all in this country.
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    Keyh Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2012 at 8:05 am
    "Capitalism is built on greed and it produces it."

    Socialism is built on acceptance of lesser quality and produces it.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 8:23 am
    Damn, Americans are getting screwed over. D:
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 15, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Capitalism is good.
    Corporatism is bad.
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    burbclaver Male 50-59
    878 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 8:27 am
    Hospital bills are the largest cause of bankruptcy in America. When they cut off your clothes after an accident what they are really doing is looking for your wallet.
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    burbclaver Male 50-59
    878 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 8:32 am
    And WTF are you going on about communism? This has nothing to do with it. Do we have a private army? No, it`s run by the government. The state in most countries regulates or administers healthcare because it is the most efficient way to provide it as can be seen from these numbers. US pays a lot more for the same medical outcomes.
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    The-Brit Male 50-59
    124 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 8:39 am
    @Keyh - So you swallowed the propogana hook line and sinker then?
    The UK and Canada are not Socialist and do well with health care.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 8:40 am
    Greed is bad.

    The rich get richer and the poor get stuck in the ruts.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
    2047 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 8:41 am
    "When they cut off your clothes after an accident what they are really doing is looking for your wallet."

    :facepalm:
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2012 at 8:41 am
    Burbclaver

    Except that statistic was a blatant lie put out by a left-wing advocacy organisation
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 8:44 am
    There`s your HMOs at work artificially inflating health care costs.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 8:48 am
    If greed were allowed to run its course, it would drive down prices, through competition.
    Ok AJ, you say this all the time but it`s the biggest load of BS I`ve ever heard. Competition to lower prices? So that`s why the new video games that come out are different prices everywhere, regardless of platform or developer! It`s called collusion, and that is exactly what you get when there`s "competition."

    Also, how exactly is there competition in a certain industry when 1-3 companies own 90% market share? They just keep prices up and squash anyone trying to put out a cheaper product. The "free" market hasn`t been free in years.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
    1059 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 8:55 am
    This is not hard to understand. There is a reason for this. Mitt Romney said it: "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me." In health care, thanks to Government intervention, you can`t do that, and so the costs spiral and the care gets worse. It`s a simple, simple cause and there is a simple, simple solution. Remove the regulations and the industry will flourish, with care improving and costs going down.

    Read this article straight through for a more detailed explanation. This is not hard to understand, people: Why healthcare in America is screwed up
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
    1059 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 8:59 am
    patchgrabber, HMO`s are a government-created construct, as is the entirety of the health care industry for the last 35 years. It used to work just fine until government got involved. The reason there`s no competition is because you can`t get health insurance across state lines and the tax code makes it almost impossible to get health insurance outside of your employer, so you don`t get to choose.

    The solution is simple, and you suggested it yourself: Add more competitors to the field by removing the onerous regulations that are removing competition and causing artificial collusion.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 9:19 am
    Add more competitors to the field by removing the onerous regulations that are removing competition and causing artificial collusion.
    How do you magically add competitors? Do you actually believe the big HMOs will allow other players in the field? If you do then you need to re-evaluate capitalism. Why would they let newbies steal their market share? And why wouldn`t they collude to keep prices up?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 9:27 am
    Anyone here ever seen the Matt Damon movie, "The Informant!"? It`s about collusion between companies to fix prices. It is, of course, illegal, but imagine how rampant it would be were there less regulation.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 9:34 am
    Both capitalism and socialism have some drawbacks. The reality is that very few Americans on the left actually want us to have a socialist economy. What we want is a balance. Keep the free market principles that make this country great for opportunity, but use the government to do what it`s supposed to do: protect the people. Nearly every other industrialized country has decided that health care is a right, and shouldn`t be for profit. We already provide socialized health care for seniors and veterans, we pay into social security, and most of us believe that access to public education is a right.
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    danagamer Male 30-39
    701 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 9:50 am
    Europe has a "Value Added Tax" which in part helps pay citizens medical expenses. The GOP would never allow such a tax.
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    Horus175 Male 18-29
    23 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 10:21 am
    @FoolsPrussia "We already provide socialized healthcare for veterans...." Only under certain circumstances do veterans qualify for health care after they leave the service and when spending cuts were proposed for the Department of Defense, THAT was one of the first items on the chopping block. Nevertheless, thumbs up to everything else you said.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
    914 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 11:15 am
    @FoolsPrussia

    Making it a right doesn`t make it more accessible. Healthcare and education is completely unaffordable in the USA precisely BECAUSE the government is coddling those industries, throwing endless amounts of money at them unconditionally, not forcing them to find ways to make their industries more efficient.

    Look at what happens when you have sink-or-swim, survival-of-the-fittest, Darwinist principles taking hold in an industry. Look at the consumer electronics industry. Nothing but higher and higher quality and lower and lower prices. Look at the internet.

    If the government coddled and breastfed the computer and electronics industry the same way it currently does with education and healthcare, we`d still be using 1 megahertz computers that cost $20,000 each, and the internet would be used by the military only.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    @patchgrabber

    There`s nothing "magical" about it. Without regulations incumbent industries have no control over who enters the marketplace. They are going to enter because people naturally want lower prices.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    @cajun: And in a market where a few companies hold the majority of market share, any start-up that could possibly challenge them and take any appreciable portion of said market share would either be swallowed up by one of the big guys, or squashed like a c ockroach.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2012 at 1:42 pm
    or squashed like a c ockroach.

    Not before the incumbent lowered their prices.
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    thatjimguy Male 30-39
    458 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 1:44 pm
    and what do you think they will charge when they know the government will flip the bill? We`ll ALL pay them, indirectly, but we will all pay them.
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    34pdaddy11 Male 13-17
    13 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    CAT scan wait time
    USA-within 2 weeks
    Canada-8 months to 1 year

    I`ll just pay more up front and avoid paying it in taxes
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    am115114 Male 18-29
    3 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 3:54 pm
    I work in a hospital in western new york. A hospital stay for 1 night in a PRIVATE ROOM is 75$. This is a top 100 cardiac hospital in nation.
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    avail9988 Male 18-29
    700 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 3:58 pm
    Wouldn`t it be funny if they added in Australia, Free in every column.. Suckers
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    spedersen Male 18-29
    7 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 5:36 pm
    if it is too much money here in America go live somewhere else. Americas health care might be more expensive but it is the best in the world. put it this way you get what you pay for
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    semisweet72 Female 18-29
    31 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 6:00 pm
    Doctors don`t get most of the money even though they deserve it. Insurance companies make a killing and doctors have to haggle with them. I guess if we get rid of the middle man everyone would save.
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    GTrain Male 18-29
    166 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 7:55 pm
    I went to the US last year. Got travel insurance up the wazoo.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    June 15, 2012 at 8:17 pm
    Now compare the cost of a medical degree in American VS other countries and you`ll see why this happens.
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
    3435 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 9:23 pm
    My nephew was in a motorcycle wreck and ended up needing to get a metal plate put into his head. In the U.S. it was going to cost almost 70k bucks, in Canada it was around 64k but in Mexico it was only about 12 but he had to be careful because it was a hot plate.
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    Xprez Male 30-39
    676 posts
    June 15, 2012 at 10:40 pm
    It`s way out of hand. Things like this are reasons we will fail as a nation. This and Obama.
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    Kaagan Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2012 at 12:04 am
    okay those are countries that have it cheaper what about countries that have it more expensive
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 16, 2012 at 12:26 am
    Americas health care might be more expensive but it is the best in the world. put it this way you get what you pay for
    Which totally explains why America has more health problems and shorter average life-spans than most of the rest of the developed world...

    OH, I get it now! American healthcare HAS to be better, because American`s don`t actually take care of themselves. It has to cost more to keep up with the numerous new ways people find to fu­ck themselves up on a regular basis...

    It all makes sense now. Americans are idiots, THAT`S why healthcare costs so much here.
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    Some-Guy Male 18-29
    23 posts
    June 16, 2012 at 6:07 am
    America this is why you suck.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    June 16, 2012 at 8:30 am
    Fail
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    snuffy2009 Male 18-29
    241 posts
    June 16, 2012 at 9:51 am
    In australia, most of those are free....
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    Idlerlee2 Male 18-29
    135 posts
    June 16, 2012 at 10:08 am
    "Americas health care might be more expensive but it is the best in the world. put it this way you get what you pay for"

    This is the dumbest post I`ve seen on these forums.

    I don`t have a problem with Americans at all, they`re generally good people. But many of them really needs to check whats going on outside their borders.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 16, 2012 at 10:52 am
    Not before the incumbent lowered their prices.
    Prices aren`t the only way corporations can crush a business, but even still there`s nothing stopping them from raising prices afterward.

    CAT scan wait time
    USA-within 2 weeks
    Canada-8 months to 1 year

    I`ll just pay more up front and avoid paying it in taxes

    Ignorance. I can pay up front for CT or MRI scans, it`s called two-tier health care, look it up because I`m sick of explaining it to those south of the border.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    June 16, 2012 at 4:10 pm
    but even still there`s nothing stopping them from raising prices afterward.

    Except for yet another business cropping up.

    Altaru, no one is saying that the system we got is acceptable. But from fiscal conservative standpoint it is far better than most other countries as they have ridiculous schemes to hide the real cost of healthcare. These practices ultimately drive business away from those countries, making healthcare more and more scarce. Secondly, the solution being put forth by the left is in the very same nature of what has been proposed and enacted before to solve the very problem. Not only does it fail in doing so, but it has even been sponsored BY the corporations you hate so much. In short corporations sponsor regulations to protect and enhance their market share, creating an effective monopoly.
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    photomstr Male 50-59
    766 posts
    June 17, 2012 at 3:45 am
    Yep, your greed based form of capitalism works really well, don`t it? And North America has some of the highest cable and internet and cell phone prices. What, we got signs on our backs sayin` "GOUGE ME!"?

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