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  1. Profile photo of ledzeppeloyd
    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
    2385 posts
    June 22, 2012 at 5:07 am
    Link: 12 Reasons Gay Marriage (Won`t) Ruin Society - Tell me why its not natural from the comfort of your air-conditioned house.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 10:39 am
    Ten bucks says Crakrjak will avoid this post like the plague.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3929 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 10:50 am
    It`s Pride weekend in Seattle. Second floor corner hotel room with balcony on the parade route booked - check. Person lined up to get up early to put out two blankets on the sidewalk for our crowd - check. Liquor and mixers purchased - check. I`m out of here. Don`t let the haters get to you.
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    ChrisP12 Male 40-49
    186 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 10:57 am
    I take umbrage with #10. Yes, single parenthood is not illegal but it is, I believe, unwise. Children of both sexes benefit from strong "moral" male and female role models involved intimately in their lives.
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    aRTCy Male 30-39
    18 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 11:00 am
    How is being gay hereditary? Do gays force themselves to have babies with the other sex just so they can keep the gay community alive? Nobody is going to convince me that they are born this way. But, it`s their choice. Let them live their lives according to how they want. I`m not going to judge them for their lifestyle.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2012 at 11:05 am
    I`ve heard all these arguments before... and honestly, I`m kind of sick of all this. Just legalize it, for drats sake. >.>
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    PurplePyro Female 18-29
    7 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 11:14 am
    "Nobody is going to convince me that they are born this way. But, it`s their choice."

    So when did you choose to be straight?
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2012 at 11:15 am
    I`d say get the government out of all marriages, straight, gay, polygamous, it has nothing to do with the government.

    Just have your private marriage ceremonies and draw up legal union contracts with whomever you want.
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    LitCandle Male 13-17
    50 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 11:23 am
    @PurplePyro

    Being gay is a learned behavior. Face it.

    Or maybe you actually have access to the gene/variations of genes that make up homosexuality. It would be amazing if you could find it, but scientist couldn`t
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    LitCandle Male 13-17
    50 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 11:24 am
    People are stupid. A baby is a clean slate, born with no distinct behaviors.

    They normally grow up to act somewhat like their parents, family, and friends.

    If your family is homosexual there is a good chance you will be too.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 11:28 am
    @litcandle: I suppose you have un-biased evidence to support your claim?
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    Ches47 Male 18-29
    302 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 11:29 am
    @litcandle
    That`s actually not true... at all. You learn very early on in any psych class that it`s a combination of bother nature and nurture.
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    LitCandle Male 13-17
    50 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 11:40 am
    @jtre
    LIFE

    Walk around and look at parents and their kids that are 8-13. You can obviously see where they picked up on what they do. Look at kid`s parents and friends and family.
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    LitCandle Male 13-17
    50 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 11:41 am
    @Ches47

    I know that but I believe that there is more nurture involved. If Hitler was adopted by Jews and raised around Jews and other minorities he wouldn`t have done what he did.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2012 at 11:44 am
    LitCandle

    I`d call you a total f.ucking idiot, but you`re just a kid. Perhaps at some point you will outgrow it.

    So if scientists can`t find something it doesn`t exist? So cancer isn`t caused, gravity doesn`t exist, and there is no God?

    "A baby is a clean slate, born with no distinct behaviors."

    Which is why sometimes twins separated at birth and raised by completely different families in completely different ways end up having staggeringly similar behavior and mannerisms later in life.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2012 at 11:53 am
    @LitCandle - You`re wrong. You`re so wrong. I really can`t be bothered explaining how wrong you are, but let`s just cut to the chase. You`re wrong.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2012 at 11:54 am
    LitCandle

    "If Hitler was adopted by Jews and raised around Jews and other minorities he wouldn`t have done what he did."

    You mean how he was a brown-eyed brunette raised by brown-eyed brunettes who thought everyone should be blue-eyed blondes?
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    LitCandle Male 13-17
    50 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 11:55 am
    People can`t say or assume other wise until it is proven. Gravity exist because that`s is what holds us down. Cancer is defiantly caused because we see it everyday at a hospital. How can it exist of nothing causes it. Those things defiantly exist. People who are gay can not shout out things like "I WAS BORN THIS WAY!!!!!1111" when we can`t see it for ourselves or prove it.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2012 at 11:55 am
    @Lit: There are several regulars here on I-A-B that are gay. Ask them if their parents were gay, and get back to me, eh?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2012 at 11:57 am
    LitCandle

    "Walk around and look at parents and their kids that are 8-13. You can obviously see where they picked up on what they do"

    Ummm. So you are saying that is proof that our behavior is all learned? Couldn`t that be 100% genetic JUST as easily as it could be 100% learned? Think about it.

    You are spewing dumb at such a staggering rate it is hard to keep up with responses.
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    ExtraCredit Male 50-59
    451 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 11:58 am
    And I thought Dick Cheney was only an outlaw politician. You mean he`s a bad parent as well? Did God punish him with a bad heart for siring a gay daughter?
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    LitCandle Male 13-17
    50 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 11:59 am
    Give me one essay backed up with facts that Hitler killed everybody that was a non blonde and blue eyed person. That is false.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    LitCandle

    So you don`t believe God exists? I don`t but I have a sneaking suspicion you do. Odd as you so clearly believe that unless scientists can prove something it doesn`t exist.

    I have to leave this post and never come back. Nothing you say makes any sense and attempting to correct it would be such a time suck.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 12:02 pm
    LitCandle

    "Give me one essay backed up with facts that Hitler killed everybody that was a non blonde and blue eyed person. That is false."

    Huh? who said that? No he wasn`t actively trying to kill brown-eyed brunettes. But he thought they should be bred out of existence, at least in Germany, by blue-eyed blondes which he taught were superior.

    You got me again. Nice job.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    LitCandle

    "Cancer is defiantly caused because we see it everyday"

    We aren`t debating whether cancer exists. Just like we aren`t debating that homosexuality exits. We are debating what causes them. You are saying scientists can`t find something that biologically causes homosexuality so it has to be learned. Well scientists can`t find what biologically causes cancer, so maybe people just learn how to have cancer. Scientists can`t find what causes gravity either so we probably just learn to stay on the ground.
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    Langer Male 18-29
    394 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    I know that but I believe that there is more nurture involved. If Hitler was adopted by Jews and raised around Jews and other minorities he wouldn`t have done what he did.

    you know that he didn`t exactly do Austria any favours, right?
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7618 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    Litcandle- I suspect you give your age correctly- and your spelling suggests your education is not great. It would be wise to make sure you truly understand the arguments you put forward- I doubt you do as they really do not make sense. I do not know what you have been taught about being gay- but I suggest that instead of believing what you have heard you go back and try to educate yourself with an open mind. Being gay is natural and normal- just because we do not understand exactly why does not make gay people any less human- therefore they should have equal rights.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
    823 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 12:49 pm
    ChrisP12, single parenting is the golden standard, i`ll admit.

    But quite often, people have no choice. We could do a lot better job of supporting single parents in this country, rather than make them feel like they are not enough.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
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    June 23, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    aRTCy, it works like this. You and your spouse could have brown eyes, but a recessive gene could make your baby`s eyes blue.

    Genes are more complex than you seem to realize.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3929 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    "People are stupid. A baby is a clean slate, born with no distinct behaviors. They normally grow up to act somewhat like their parents, family, and friends. If your family is homosexual there is a good chance you will be too."

    I have no idea what you are trying to get at here. I am gay. My parents are straight and conservative. I grew up in a very loving and accepting family. I didn`t have any trauma until I was 38. No adults abused me when I was a child not even a little mentally. I was raised exactly the same as my straight brother - to be straight. I was never picked on in school. I can not think of any instances in my upbringing that would have turned me gay. I am 100% sure I was born gay.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    One correction though, homosexuality is 100% natural.
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    pak_-_man Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    @markus123; did u like to see naked men when you were a baby? I have a friend that says he can hear voids in his head..... I think people get drated up somehow in the process of growing up...like the butterfly effect.... you could had been raised exactly the same as your straight brother, something happened along the way u DECIDED to rebel...its a choice.... an as far as gay marriage I think Im all in for it GO GAY MARRIAGE!! a gay guy and a lesbian should be able to marry if they want.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 2:11 pm
    markust123

    No using rationale to talk to ignorant people they are ignorant by definition.

    In reference to the pride parade you said you are going to, I have a qualm. How is having a showcase of the fact that you view yourselves as distinct and different from the majority conducive to the goal of getting the majority to treat you as if you aren`t different?

    I support all gay rights, I just hate parades. I would never see the need for a straight parade, or a white parade. being happy in who you are doesn`t require a parade. To me all that does is showcase your desire to be segmented from the majority. Seems counter productive.

    Just my two cents.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 2:15 pm
    pac - man

    "I think people get drated up somehow in the process of growing up...like the butterfly effect...."

    It would take way more than a butterfly flapping its wings for a guy to DECIDE to suck a dick.

    The odd thing about this debate is the ONLY people who have ANY real experience on what makes someone gay are gay people. And every gay person I have ever heard voice an opinion on the subject says they were born that way. So all those arguing are people who don`t have the slightest idea what the f.uck they are talking about.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    June 23, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    Man, the stupid is strong tonight.
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    chillimac Male 18-29
    438 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    @pak_-_man: I don`t know whether to agree or disagree with your post because i can`t understand it. You would think a 30 something man would be able to clearly express himself (for better or worse) in an internet forum where he has ample opportunity to self edit/spellcheck. But apparently you can`t or won`t. This leads me to beleave that you are either A, an idiot, or B, don`t care enough about this issue to put forth the effort. In either case, please sit down and shut up.
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    chillimac Male 18-29
    438 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    I meant believe not beleave. Now I feel dirty...
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    Misfit-Mutt Female 18-29
    349 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 3:45 pm
    Why not have a pride parade? In a society that tells us not to be proud of who we are and how we choose to live our lives, a lot of people can use the cheer. Nobody gives straight people sh-t for being straight.
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    nayrbarr Male 18-29
    366 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 4:17 pm
    @Misfit-Mutt, I think that HolyGod did a good example of explaining his point, I suggest that you read his post again to answer your question. It is also dumb to be proud of something which you had no say in; homosexuality not being a choice. What I can respect though is the courage required to come out in certain societies.
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    nayrbarr Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2012 at 4:19 pm
    Also, being the same age group, I`d like to call LitCandle a complete f.ucking idiot even if HolyGod feels he can`t.
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    mon360 Male 13-17
    735 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    white old men rule the world so lol that`s not gonna happen
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2012 at 4:38 pm
    "I support all gay rights, I just hate parades. I would never see the need for a straight parade, or a white parade. being happy in who you are doesn`t require a parade. To me all that does is showcase your desire to be segmented from the majority. Seems counter productive."

    When there is full equality there will be no need for a parade. We are far from being there. Try marching in a gay parade in Russia. You will be beaten and arrested.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    "Why not have a pride parade? In a society that tells us not to be proud of who we are and how we choose to live our lives, a lot of people can use the cheer. Nobody gives straight people sh-t for being straight."

    I think you gave a wonderful answer.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 5:20 pm
    I can`t believe people are still even discussing from whence someone`s sexual orientation comes from. It`s biological for every one of us, and that`s all there is to it. But of course only those of us who have gone through puberty (*cough*litcandle excluded *cough*) can truly understand it. Ye Gods, those years are tough on us all, every one of my straight fellows can attest to that. Remember your first crushes? Let`s not make it any harder than it has to be on anyone else.

    Also, Russian backwardness duly noted. URRRRRUUUUUUPP!
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2012 at 5:37 pm
    @QueenZira You`re as wrong as LitCandle. It`s probably both, as are most things.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2012 at 5:40 pm
    V If you have to think about it at all you`re either bisexual or religiously brainwashed. Which option fits you?
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 5:43 pm
    @HolyGod
    "Well scientists can`t find what biologically causes cancer, so maybe people just learn how to have cancer."
    That`s not a good analogy for whoever came up with it. Cancer is a biological condition that can be observed. Homosexuality is a sexual preference that there is no deciding evidence for either way. I honestly don`t think it`s worth worrying about. Honestly, who gives a poo? I`m not into oversized breats or asses, some people are. Some people like having dicks shoved up their asses, once again, not my thing, but why should I care if someone has a different taste than me? I don`t think it`s some purely biological condition that some people around these parts seem to think it is. Actually, using their claims, you can argue that homosexuality is a disease, and I don`t think that Markust and Gerry would be too happy with that. Sexual preference is no more interesting than whether someone likes vanilla or chocolate ice scream. I`m tired of seeing all this po
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    @PurplePyro
    "So when did you choose to be straight?" Whenever I decided that I liked the idea of having sex with women? I don`t really see what your argument is supposed to be. It`s like saying, "so when did you decide to like action movies".
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    How exactly would you argue it`s a "disease"? Not according to any legitimate medical professionals it wouldn`t be. My old psych Prof (Dr.) once said, "Difference alone does not a disorder make."
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2012 at 5:47 pm
    @QueenZira I take it you have never formally studied any psychology, have you?
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 5:47 pm
    Yes I have bucko. Try Me.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 5:50 pm
    @QueenZira Keep in mind, this isn`t my argument or line of thinking, but here it is: If homosexuality is purely biological, then it could very easily be considered a disease or at least a defect, not because it isn`t `normal`, but because it deprives someone of the natural ability and desire to produce off-spring, which is ultimately the inner drive of all species.

    As a mixture of both biological and nurture factors, or even if you view it as simply as a preference, it`s not a disease at all. It`s just the wasy someone is. Just because something is not 100% biological does not mean that it is something that they can help. I don`t think most homosexuals really HAVE a conscious choice. If you`d study psychology, you would know this.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 5:52 pm
    @QueenZira I also have a theory (I know you and most people will disagree with it) that all humans might be naturally bisexual. Keep in mind, that this
  54. Profile photo of eddy666
    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 5:53 pm
    is going to be the argument I will be taking up on this post, just for fun.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 5:54 pm
    @Queen I have to go for a bit. I`ll be back later tonight if you still want to discus.s
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 5:57 pm
    If you studied Psych you`d know that there are 3 axises through which mental illness is diagnosed.

    1. Statistical deviation in test scores. This refers to cognitive testing that can be mathematically quantified, therefore if someone scores lower on basic cognitive functioning they can be said to have developmental disorders. (Ie. mental retardation & the Autism spectrum.

    2. Functional Impairment. Whereby a patient can no longer function in the everyday world, examples a Schizophrenic, Manic Depresive, ect.

    3. Personal Pain. The patient is in personal pain, note that this means the state itself is painful, it is not caused by society`s reaction to it.

    None of that includes your bulls#it standard.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 6:00 pm
    You fail right out of the gate when it comes to the "everybody`s Bi" theory. Not I, sayeth the little black duck.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    @QueenZira I`m not going to argue with you if you continue to use foul language and insults. Secondly, when did I ever say ANYTHING about mental illnesses?
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 6:41 pm
    @QueenZira You haven`t even heard my theory. You are just classless when it comes to arguments and discussions aren`t you? CNN/FOX News much?
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 6:44 pm
    @QueenZira
    Of course, with immature comments like:
    "But of course only those of us who have gone through puberty (*cough*litcandle excluded *cough*)" I honestly don`t know why I expected anything more from you. I`m sorry I even started this discussion. Glenn Beck could probably have a more reasonable discussion than you.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    @markust123 I`m not really a fan of pride to begin with. I understand and completely agree with the premise of the pride parades, but I don`t really think it`s a great way to convince homophobes (most of which have been conditioned that way) that there is nothing `different` about being gay. It really seems to further instigate the blind hatred. Unfortunately, I don`t really have a solution though.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    "d u like to see naked men when you were a baby? I have a friend that says he can hear voids in his head..... "

    This, folks, is literature in the making.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2012 at 7:13 pm
    "I`m not really a fan of pride to begin with. I understand and completely agree with the premise of the pride parades, but I don`t really think it`s a great way to convince homophobes (most of which have been conditioned that way) that there is nothing `different` about being gay. It really seems to further instigate the blind hatred. Unfortunately, I don`t really have a solution though."

    I`ve never thought of the parade as a way to convince anyone of anything. I would agree that it does the opposite. I`ve always seen the parade (I go to) as a celebration within the community and with the friend and family. Kind of a `I`m not alone` type of thing. I see it as a celebration and one fabulous party.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 7:16 pm
    Translation- "Screw U, I`mmma take my ball and go home." Somebody call the Waaamublance stat.

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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 7:19 pm
    "Arguing with religious nutcases is like playing chess with pigeons, their goal is to crap all over the board when they`re losing and declare victory."

    *Slightly modified from the original quote, but a fine substitution If I do say so myself.
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 7:42 pm
    Okay so let`s try this one rationally for a change here. Anyone who doesn`t agree based on religious principles, that`s fine. Your problem, not mine. End of Story.

    States that want to keep gays and lesbians from marrying is completely unfair to straight people who want to marry. Can someone tell me why, as a straight man, should I have to give up half my belongings, things I worked day in and out for to someone because the relationship fell apart? Can anyone tell me why as a straight man my credit rating should also suffer? Can anyone tell me why I should shell out for Alimony, Attorney`s Fees, Court Costs for a proper divorce and THEN keep paying through the nose just to get myself back to zero simply because the relationship soured? Gays and Lesbians are completely free of that. A gay or lesbian relationship could sour and they could work it out between themselves. Legally that`s preferential treatment.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    I`ve never thought of the parade as a way to convince anyone of anything. I would agree that it does the opposite. I`ve always seen the parade (I go to) as a celebration within the community and with the friend and family. Kind of a `I`m not alone` type of thing. I see it as a celebration and one fabulous party.

    If it wasn`t about group pride, you could have a point.

    But it is. Very explicitly.

    I view gay pride in the same way that I view white pride, black pride, NO GODDAMN QUEERS HERE! pride or any other ideology and events set up solely for the purpose of celebrating and advocating the idea that people should be proud of being in the right group when they did nothing at all to get into that group, that people should be proud of not being one of the "others" (who are obviously inferior because if they weren`t inferior then you wouldn`t have any reason to be proud of not being them).

    That`s ugly poo.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 8:05 pm
    Celebrating who you are when society at large has told you you`re worth nothing at all, is not a bad thing. It is a reclamation of humanity and worth from those who would deny it to you.

    It is not viewing yourself as the Ur human who is superior to everybody else and it is not slamming those who do not share the same characteristics.

    Remember those who had maligned those marginalized already had an exclusive club that *did* claim superior status to the marginalized by excluding them and their stories and contributions, and sometimes their very existence itself, It`s called history.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 8:06 pm
    you could had been raised exactly the same as your straight brother, something happened along the way u DECIDED to rebel...its a choice....

    Bollocks.

    I DECIDED to rebel in some of the usual ways when I was an adolescent, like most people do. Which hindsight shows to be not rebelling at all, really - how can it be when it`s normal at that age?

    Rebellion wasn`t the motive for me being bisexual. I did the rebellion thing, so I can tell the difference.

    There wasn`t a motive for me being bisexual because I didn`t choose to be. It`s that clear-cut.

    I`m right-handed. Why? Don`t know - I didn`t choose.

    I like the taste of apples. I don`t like the taste of pears. Why? Don`t know - I didn`t choose.

    I`m bisexual. Why? Don`t know - I didn`t choose.

    There are many things about people that they didn`t choose.
  70. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    Celebrating who you are when society at large has told you you`re worth nothing at all, is not a bad thing. It is a reclamation of humanity and worth from those who would deny it to you.

    It is not viewing yourself as the Ur human who is superior to everybody else and it is not slamming those who do not share the same characteristics.

    True, but irrelevant to my post that you appeared to have written it in reply to.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 8:11 pm
    Angie you`re another one who likes to s3it all over the chess board when you`re losing. Get a new repertoire sweety.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 8:23 pm
    "People are stupid. A baby is a clean slate, born with no distinct behaviors. They normally grow up to act somewhat like their parents, family, and friends. If your family is homosexual there is a good chance you will be too."

    That would be a good point if it was true, but there`s no evidence that it is.

    There`s the *appearance* of a bit larger chance of a person being homosexual if their family is fine with homosexuality and some close family and friends are homosexual. That`s plausibly explained by people who are homosexual being more likely to say so sooner in those circumstances, rather than by people being more likely to be homosexual in those circumstances.

    Oh, and babies aren`t entirely a clean slate. For example, people tend to favour one hand pretty much straight away.

    Sexual orientation is very much like handedness, only much less important.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 8:34 pm
    Angie you`re another one who likes to s3it all over the chess board when you`re losing. Get a new repertoire sweety.

    You replied with what may as well have been a copied segment from a political pamphlet. It had no relevance to my post unless you were deliberately trying to defame me.

    You`re accusing me of being the pigeon who craps on the board when I`m losing? Take a look at what you`re doing.

    When you have no counter-argument, you reply to people who disagree with you by stock screeds, misrepresentation of them and insults, then you claim victory.

    That sounds to me like crapping on the board when you`re losing.
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    CynicalGamer Male 40-49
    450 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    I have no problems with (and actually support) equal rights across the board but the pseudo intellectual crap in this list is not helping.
    People running around saying because A = B then A must = C shows a complete lack of forethought in any argument. Like using anything Kardashian (even acknowledging those f`ing animals) as an example.
    Picking out the worse in a situation to support your opinion makes you look foolish.
    The people behind these attempts just need to state facts. If you don`t support equal rights for not only gays but all mankind then you are a fag.
    :)
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    It`s not a stock screed, it`s simply the best way to describe my point. There`s nothing I can do about it if you don`t care for my aesthetic. I replied directly to every issue you raised, if you feel "defamed" by that that`s just bizarre.

    Don`t blame me for my opponent`s equivocation. And if you can`t take a little language now and again then you should really invest in some smelling salts, have your seconds periodically revive you when it all becomes simply too much.
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    i-am-evil Male 18-29
    510 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 9:37 pm
    Angillion does it again.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 10:05 pm
    Eddy666: ""So when did you choose to be straight?" Whenever I decided that I liked the idea of having sex with women? I don`t really see what your argument is supposed to be. It`s like saying, "so when did you decide to like action movies".

    I knew which gender i was attracted to waaaay before I formed a preference for movie genres. You just confirmed what progressives already knew about you people.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
    2737 posts
    June 23, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    stinky penis`.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    June 24, 2012 at 12:49 am
    It`s not a stock screed, it`s simply the best way to describe my point. I replied directly to every issue you raised, if you feel "defamed" by that that`s just bizarre.

    You replied with some irrelevant text that would have been relevant to someone who had said that homosexuals were subhuman.

    Either you intended to try to get other people to think I`d said that, which would be defamation, or you were just posting a snippet from a stock screed without consideration of whether it was relevant or not.

    Either way, your claim to have replied directly to every issue I raised is ridiculous.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
    1745 posts
    June 24, 2012 at 1:39 am
    all of these are written in an obnoxious and annoying manner. #10 is especially terrible, do an statistical survey of adults raised in single parent vs raised in a home with a mother and father. report back high school graduation rates, college graduation rates, criminal activity rates, income, and almost every other success/failure rate you can think of. many studies have been done in fact, all evidence points to both parents present equip the child best for success.
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    Mister_C Male 18-29
    663 posts
    June 24, 2012 at 1:46 am
    This is really old, but admittedly it now looks nicer.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    June 24, 2012 at 6:49 am
    It`s not just a civil rights issue either it`s a free speech issue too. Since the state doesn`t have any compelling interest to certify (or even ban for that matter) such arrangements, the state should just treat them like private contracts. That way, no matter how much the right will complain, their voice won`t matter.

    Seriously stop giving tax advantages to people who are married.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    June 24, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    Christmas and Easter are federal holidays...Don`t you say america doesn`t have an official religion.
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
    1582 posts
    June 25, 2012 at 4:30 am
    "all of these are written in an obnoxious and annoying manner. #10 is especially terrible, do an statistical survey of adults raised in single parent vs raised in a home with a mother and father. report back high school graduation rates, college graduation rates, criminal activity rates, income, and almost every other success/failure rate you can think of. many studies have been done in fact, all evidence points to both parents present equip the child best for success."

    Apparently you didn`t understand what they were trying to say. They weren`t saying that one would have better statistical odds with a traditional family, they were saying that single parenting, which is non traditional, has full rights when it comes to raising children. Why are you trying to poke holes in logic they weren`t using? Are you really that bothered by this poster, or are you just trying to argue?
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
    823 posts
    June 25, 2012 at 5:44 pm
    Silly faggot, dicks are for chicks.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7752 posts
    June 26, 2012 at 5:04 am
    Does #7 even make sense?
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    UDUMASS Male 30-39
    60 posts
    June 27, 2012 at 9:25 am
    This is a pretty in your face attempt to normalize bum fudgek1ng isn`t it? That`s what being gay is about right? Sticking your d1ck into another man`s a55hole? Sounds lovely...
  88. Profile photo of CynicalGamer
    CynicalGamer Male 40-49
    450 posts
    June 29, 2012 at 12:29 am
    I have no problems with (and actually support) equal rights across the board but the pseudo intellectual crap in this list is not helping.
    People running around saying because A = B then A must = C shows a complete lack of forethought in any argument. Like using anything Kardashian (even acknowledging those f`ing animals) as an example.
    Picking out the worse in a situation to support your opinion makes you look foolish.
    The people behind these attempts just need to state facts. If you don`t support equal rights for not only gays but all mankind then you are a fag.
    :)

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