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  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    May 8, 2012 at 2:07 pm
    Link: What`s Strange About America - Can anything fix this? Does it need fixing?
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    AntPharm Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:04 pm
    very true
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    well thats becuse its true
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    d_marie Female 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    Word.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:12 pm
    Course it does.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    this is actually a really good point. Good ol` Muurica. Where the only thing god permits is sitting on your fat ass, and condemning people who love each other.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:16 pm
    I did`nt choose too love boobs, i just do
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    "well thats becuse its true"

    Oh its true is it? Tell that to some of the third world countries whos people seem to not suffer from this disease. Also, if yo believe homosexuality is a choice, then you are bisexual anyway. Otherwise you wouldnt be burdened with the "CHOICE" of being straight or Gay now would you. So tell me again, is it a choice?
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    korahn Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:28 pm
    well thats becuse its true

    So when did you choose to be heterosexual?
  10. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    Um, sometimes fat is genetic, not always.
    Always homosexuality is learned, just like all other sexual `drives`. Otherwise Pedophilia is just as "natural" as heterosexualality is, and WHO thinks that? No one!

    Why is homosexuality NOT genetic? Because there is no "gay gene" like there is "Blue eyes gene" ok? There is also no heterosexual gene either.
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    mon360 Male 13-17
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    give them a break guys, their old
  12. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:01 pm
    @steelgrid: Humans are born "a-sexual" in other words children DO NOT HAVE A SEXUAL ORIENTAION ok? Get it @kohran, we all `learn` or sexuality along the way.
    Fetishs, are they genetic too?
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    bluevayero Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:04 pm
    @5cats do u happen to be an expert? i am closer to the opinion that even homosexuallity is affected by the genes. of course there is no "gay gene" as well as there is no "fat gene" either in any case. but the way a human being reacts to his environment is based on the genes.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:04 pm
    Where does he get the idea that "society," whatever the hell that is, thinks this? Some people believe the opposite, some people believe both are genetic, or both are choice.

    The most likely scenario is that both causes are factors in both phenomena, but not to the same degree in every individual case.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:10 pm
    If you believe being gay is genetic then you`re just as much of a narrow minded idiot as the retards who think its a conscious choice.
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    bluevayero Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:15 pm
    @paddy215 have you proven otherwise in any way? or read that someone else has proven that? i dont think im the narrow minded here. at least im a biologist and have read a couple more thing on genetics than you
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    @bluevayaro If you believe something that can`t be proven to be true and aren`t willing to accept any other explanation, then you are narrow minded.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm
    @paddy215: I had to read it 2 or 3 times, but I think you`ve agreed with me, I hope.

    @blueyayervo: Yes! I`m an expert on everything! Just ask anyone at IAB! LOLZ! I joke!

    You were polite so I`ll explain: If you Mom weighs 300 pounds, and your Dad 400, and same for all grandmas and grandpas back 3 generations? Chances are good you`ve GOT FAT DNA!
    But! Gayness is not genetic. It may be `influenced` or possibly `predisposed` (but I doubt that one) by DNA, but that`s far from proven.

    @Gerry1 will disagree with me in 3... 2...
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    BBallKicks Male 13-17
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:32 pm
    So you think being gay runs in the family huh?
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:35 pm
    Homosexuality genetic?

    Impossible... homos can`t reproduce (naturally).
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    vv that`s correct @mykunter! By definition, they cannot. And if someone `flip flops` from hetero to homo? It`s hardly genetic then, right?

    From a play: A very feminine looking man says (when asked about getting married some day):
    My father was a committed bachelor!
    My grandfather was a comitted bachelor!
    My great grandfather was a comitted bachelor!
    Lady: How did you get here then?
    Man: *looks preplexed* I shall have to ask mother about that!
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    I do not think that there is a gene for big fat but the chances that you become fat, if your parents and your grandparents are, they will teach you to eat alot, they will feed you and you`re going to learn in this culture, everyone may be thin, but they just learned to eat since they were kid, homosexuality is in the animal kingdom and seem to be a natural behavior no hetero chooses to be gay, I see not how I could like to touch the penis of another
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    OpsAss13 Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    @5cats, I`m not sure I believe that. I grew up with just my mother in the house. I had no male role model in my life. My mom is not gay. So if I was to learn my sexuality, I should be about the wang but I am not. I am all about the (.)(.)
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    kangoala Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 5:52 pm
    @5Cats: Ummm, pseudo-science seems to be reigning supreme on this one... How can you state that something is "not genetic" and then follow it up with "It may be `influenced` or possibly `predisposed`... by DNA..."? What do you think a predisposition or `influence` is when attributed to DNA if it`s not genetic?

    And on that note, if your parents are both pushin` 400lbs, like their parents and their parents` parents, wouldn`t you say they have a genetic predisposition toward being fat? But back to the issue...

    To say that something can`t be genetic on the basis that your parents did not express the same attribute is just plain wrong. Now I`m not saying that homosexuality is 100% genetic, but to deny that genetics has anything to do with it is to deny that genetics has a role pertaining to sexuality and human social behavior completely! Come on, that`s just plain stupid.

    Sexuality is a spectrum, not a hard-edged categorical system.
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    swtsacrifice Female 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    ok either this person didnt read there comment before posting or they really think homo`s are genetic. weird
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    Xerasia Female 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:02 pm
    they`re both genetic.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    @mykunter & 5Cats,
    That`s not how genetics works. Remember that parents without Down`s Syndrome, for example, can produce a child with Down`s which is clearly genetic. Many genetic disorders are actually inherited from unaffected parents who are carriers of recessive genes. Also, homosexuals certainly can, in fact, reproduce naturally...just not with their preferred sexual partners!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    5Cats, "Gayness is not genetic"


  29. Profile photo of broizfam
    broizfam Male 60-69
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    @kangoala,
    Well said!
  30. Profile photo of Revolutioniz
    Revolutioniz Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:16 pm
    Being fat isn`t genetic. it`s just the fact that fat parents are less likely to be strict with their children`s diets. It makes sense that two fat parents would have a child grow to be fat. Genetics is just an excuse.
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    Revolutioniz Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:16 pm
    Also, 5Cats is a moron, I`ve learned this recently.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:25 pm
    @OpsAss13: There`s hundreds of possible influences, not just one or three.

    @broizfan: I should have said 23 generations, not 3 (for fatness), but yes, recessive genes and genetic diseases are involved, but not with sexual orientation!

    @Crabes: Gay animals in the wild? Nope, don`t see it. Oh sure it gets reported a lot these days, but every time I look into the story it`s a)not homosexuality b)humans are directly involved or c)there are no opposite gender partners available. Every single time.

    @kangoala: "Sexuality is a spectrum, not a hard-edged categorical system." I agree! However DNA is not `a spectum` it`s hard-wired. Your DNA says two ears? You got NO choice!
    Predisposition =/= Genetic trait. You aren`t "predisposed" to having two ears, but could choose to have three, right?

    @Gerry1, HA! My school team was the Maccabees!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:30 pm
    Being fat isn`t genetic
    @Revolutioniz: Fat is such a "loaded" subjective and ambiguous term!
    Lets relate it to height! If your Mom was 6`4", and your Dad was 6`8", going back 23 generations, all the aunts and uncles too, what does that say about your "height DNA"? You`ll be: apx 5`1" OR apx 6`6"? (give or take a few inches).
    Also, 5Cats is a moron, I`ve learned this recently.
    @Revolutioniz: "moron" is such a loaded, subjective and ambiguous term.
    Compared to you, for example, I`m a freaking GENIUS!
    :rolleyes:
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    Enjin Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:34 pm
    So this sentence is trying to suggest that homosexuality is a disorder?

    It`s really sad that this is even a thing. Why would a person need to validate their sexual preference with some excuse like this? Do we really want to believe that people can`t choose for themselves if they want to have sex with a certain person or if they want to eat a whole pizza? These are all choices.
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    mamba Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    "However DNA is not `a spectrum `"
    Tell that to my skin colour, its somewhat in between my parents`.

    Apparently there are quite a few fat genes, although these don`t necessarily make you fat but they help towards it. As well as genetic diseases that do the same poo. I`m sure horizon did a program on that.

    As for sexual preference i don`t know much, but part of it can be your hormone balance, which it somewhat determined by genes. I`m pretty sure i read something on how the development in the womb effects hormones and stuff too so that`s probably a factor.

    That`s what genes are for: making it so that you`re born with a tenancy to what you`ll become.
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    Revolutioniz Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:43 pm
    5cats nothing about you is genius. i`ve read numerous comments by you lately and it`s saddens me to think you walk this earth with the ability to reproduce.. Moron captures the very essence of the way you think. You might be to old to recognize it, but im fairly confident your brain is failing.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:45 pm
    That`s not how genetics works. Remember that parents without Down`s Syndrome, for example, can produce a child with Down`s which is clearly genetic. Many genetic disorders are actually inherited from unaffected parents who are carriers of recessive genes
    Although you have the right idea, Down syndrome isn`t exactly a recessive genetic condition, rather, it`s due to nondisjunction of ch21. If a parent has an abnormality on ch21, such as a Robertsonian translocation, it can increase risk of Down syndrome.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Nice trolling 5Cats.
    But you know better, and I know you know better.
    Still, you get an E for Effort.
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    mon360 Male 13-17
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    5Cats grew up believing what he believes, and he`s going to stick by it to the grave. Teh Ends!
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    OutWest Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:51 pm
    All things are genetic.... None of us make a choice.
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    evanbartlett Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    "Homosexuality genetic?

    Impossible... homos can`t reproduce (naturally)."

    Which just goes to prove that genetics is unfortunately complex enough that those with a cursory knowledge of how it works can feel confident in understanding it thoroughly.
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    Well you could say fat is genetic, we humans are programed to store excess calaries for survival - it`s built into our genes.
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    evanbartlett Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    @patchgrabber: "Although you have the right idea, Down syndrome isn`t exactly a recessive genetic condition, rather, it`s due to nondisjunction of ch21. If a parent has an abnormality on ch21, such as a Robertsonian translocation, it can increase risk of Down syndrome."

    Thank you, sir, thank you. I was going to try to write something about this, but decided against it. Your explanation was both informed and concise. Trying to explain trisomy can be complex.
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    evanbartlett Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    @5cats: Fetishes, like most things, are informed by both genetics and social norms. Some genetic predispositions are so strong as to negate social norms, and vice versa.
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    i-am-evil Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    Yep.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    I want to send out a big f**k you to the bigots in North Carolina who just added hate to their constitution. Way to be Americans. Your gays kids must be so proud of you.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 7:38 pm
    Really 5Cats? I thought you were done pretending that being gay is a choice. Is arguing with people more important than being a decent person?
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    hauswyfe Female 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    @markust123: I live in NC, and made an especial point of voting today just bcause of this stupid marriage amendment. I am an unaffiliated voter, and so had no other reason to go to the polls today. I find it appalling that a group who claims to be all about freedom, and flies "Don`t Tread on Me" flags on their houses, is so happy to limit freedoms of some people to marry whomever they choose. It makes me very sad to live in such a place!
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    tstyblucryns Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    I can see how being fat could be genetic (certain diseases) but I would think the main effect from genetics would be things like the desire for fatty foods, something that not too many generations ago was an important trait. Now that we have hit a point where survival of the fittest doesn`t really play a role due to advances in the medical field, humans are going to keep putting those genes that tell us that fat is good back into the cycle. I`m not the least bit educated on genetics, though, so I`m really just going off assumption and observation. I will say that most people do have a choice in making sure they do not become/remain fat, they would just rather sit in front of their tv and eat another cheeseburger.

    Also, even if you don`t think that homosexuality is genetic, I don`t see how you could argue that it`s a choice.
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    BBJellyFish Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 7:49 pm
    YES! I love this! This is so true!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 8:15 pm
    @hauswyfe, your wonderful words made me feel all warm inside.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 8:16 pm
    Arggg. I have a big personal project I have to get done. I need to quit looking at IAB.
  53. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 8:19 pm
    5Cats grew up believing what he believes
    You`re on the right track @mon360 I was born this way!

    I thought you were done pretending that being gay is a choice.
    @markust: I`m not pretending. I used to believe the "Born like that" theory until I realized: A) that means children have sexual orientations (they do not) B) If there`s gay DNA, but no hetero DNA, then WTF? I do NOT believe that gayness is a `genetic disorder` but rather a learned lifestyle influenced by many factors. Same as heteros.

    I don`t see how you could argue that it`s a choice.
    @tstyblucryns: Not an "I think I`ll be heterosexual for the rest of my life" choice but a learned response, over years, with dozens if not hundreds of factors involved.
    You like blondes? Redheads? Short? Tall? Wy exactly? It`s not DNA though...
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    MattyP Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 8:48 pm
    Like
  55. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 9:18 pm
    that means children have sexual orientations (they do not)
    That`s not good logic @5cats. That`s like saying "All children have pubic hair."
    The brain tells the pituitary to release hormones that change our physiology and behavioural drives. Perhaps sexual orientation is the same. I`m not saying it is, but it IS an alternative explanation that doesn`t make children have sexual orientation until they`re old enough to do something about it.
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    tstyblucryns Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 9:19 pm
    @5Cats

    Ahh, I see. Well, that`s not really the same as a choice then, is it? I`m really wary about arguing genetics since I haven`t done much research, but it seems totally plausible that it could be genetic. Can we assume that a person with absolutely no social contact (human or animal) would naturally be straight? I don`t think so. Either way, you have to pick your battles. You must understand why people are sensitive about the subject.

    PS I`m a sucker for redheaded girls. And anything but redheaded guys. Funny how that works, huh?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    I don`t have to argue genetics...5Cats does.
    5Cats made the declarative statment that being gay is NOT genetic. So the burden of proof is on him. You have some scientific study that supports this statement? Not just your feelings, but fact.

    For example, you said the all gay behavior in animals had human intervention. This includes the bonobo apes that were filmed in the wild participating in homosexual conduct? Please, clarify where the human intervention was. Do you think the camera man and his asst. were gay and apes just copied them?

    And does that mean the dog that dry humps your leg only engages in cross-species sexual activity because he saw you do it first?

    Naughty 5Cat! Naughty!
  58. Profile photo of Dead_mind
    Dead_mind Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 10:11 pm
    Or choosing to use iligal drugs mind you.
    Its still about your body craving difrent chemikals, some found in fried chicken, some found in cannabis... or amfetamin.
    shuld not a person have a choice in its own poison, so long the person is avare of it?
    Sorry the bad grammar / english what is the difrence, seriusly?
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    maddux32 Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2012 at 10:19 pm
    The fact that we`re still having this discussion regarding the mystery of homosexual origin in 2012......

    I don`t know. I just don`t have very much faith in humanity.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 11:01 pm
    Homosexuality genetic?

    Impossible... homos can`t reproduce (naturally).
    It`s called "recessive" or "latent" genetics, dipsh*t.

    It`s the reason I`m a blue-eyed blonde when both my parents are brown-eyed brunettes when my dad was the only one cheating at the time.

    On top of that... How many gay people pretend to be straight to cover up because of persecution?

    I don`t know if there is a gay gene, but you`re excuse is completely lacking in either knowledge of genetics or knowledge of social stigma.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 11:13 pm
    I don`t know. I just don`t have very much faith in humanity.
    You had any to begin with?

    (Woah... Deja Vu.

    Seriously, I feel like I`ve typed the last two posts before, word for word... While sitting in this exact same position... I should probably be sleeping instead of dicking around on the internet.)
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 12:24 am
    in so few respects do I agree with 5Cats, but this is one of them... it`s embarrassing to me... but I think also that genetics alone doesn`t dictate behaviour: there`s a lot that your genetic and epigenetic markup do to you as a person, but it alone won`t make choices; from birth you`re able to make choices and those choices, either intentional, made for you by an adult or driven by epigenetic markup are what make you who you are by the time you have to take a position on sexuality or what I love to call "putting down the fork".

    I don`t know, I`m no geneticist, but I know one who is part of a family with generation after generation of fat people, and she doesn`t believe on the whole fat gene thing. Sure she`s big boned and her metabolism sucks, but she knows when to put down the fork; as a result she`s pretty thin (for a big boned gal).
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 12:30 am
    On the other hand, his examples of supposed non-existent natural homosexuality in the wild are laughable. 5Cats, you really need to know when to shut up.

    I told you before that acting like Bill O`Reilly is not something to emulate... it`s just sad for you as a person.

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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 1:48 am
    5cats is a dippoo. If you don`t like Wikipedia as a source, by the way, I suggest you scroll down to the drating sources yourself and click on them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki (slash) Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 1:57 am
    Elephants -

    "African and Asian males will engage in same-sex bonding and mounting. Such encounters are often associated with affectionate interactions, such as kissing, trunk intertwining, and placing trunks in each other`s mouths. Male elephants, who often live apart from the general herd, often form "companionships", consisting of an older individual and one or sometimes two younger, attendant males with sexual behavior being an important part of the social dynamic. Unlike heterosexual relations, which are always of a fleeting nature, the relationships between males may last for years. The encounters are analogous to heterosexual bouts, one male often extending his trunk along the other`s back and pushing forward with his tusks to signify his intention to mount. Same-sex relations are common and frequent in both sexes, with Asiatic elephants in captivity devoting roughly 45% of sexual encounters to same-sex activity"
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2012 at 3:41 am
    5cats is gay.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2012 at 4:44 am
    I can`t understand people who aren`t billionaires who vote republican.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2012 at 5:04 am
    Interesting 5cats, what about religion ? I used to think that was a genetic disorder, but then I realised that kids would be born without it, if they hadn`t been indoctrinated..
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2012 at 5:20 am
    "I thought you were done pretending that being gay is a choice.

    @markust: I`m not pretending. I used to believe the "Born like that" theory until I realized: A) that means children have sexual orientations (they do not) B) If there`s gay DNA, but no hetero DNA, then WTF? I do NOT believe that gayness is a `genetic disorder` but rather a learned lifestyle influenced by many factors. Same as heteros. "
    @5cats
    Even when I was a little kid I had gay feelings. I didn`t know what they were at the time obviously, but yeah, people are born the way they are.

    On another note, even if people aren`t born that way, it`s not a choice. No one would choose to be a minority that is constantly discriminated against.
  70. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 8:44 am
    I don`t know if there is a gay gene, but you`re excuse is completely lacking in either knowledge of genetics or knowledge of social stigma.
    Just now read through that again...

    That was supposed to say "YOUR excuse..." not "you`re."

    Too early in the morning to make up for auto-correct failures...
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    LePigeon Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2012 at 9:57 am
    If you do some research you will find cases of children expressing that they are trapped in the wrong body in other words, I have male parts but inside I’m a female body and vice versa. Studies also reflect that most homosexuals were raised by heterosexual parents and most children raised by homosexual parents turn out to be straight. That being said,with respect to the Nature vs. Nurture debate one could postulate that family life has a rather large impact on a child’s development, example a child whose parents smoke are more likely to pick up the habit; a male child who has an abusive father is more likely to become abusive himself. With all that being said, my questions to anyone who believes people choose to be gay are as follows,
    A)If you believe they aren’t born that way, why wouldn’t the nurture vs. nature reasoning hold true for homosexuality?
    B)Could you choose to find someone sexually attractive? If not why would you think homosexuals can?
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 10:12 am
    Religion is more of a choice than homosexuality.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 10:25 am
    @5Cats
    Not going to to start insulting you. But questions something

    Not an "I think I`ll be heterosexual for the rest of my life" choice but a learned response, over years, with dozens if not hundreds of factors involved.
    You like blondes? Redheads? Short? Tall? Wy exactly? It`s not DNA though...

    So could you change to being gay over a certain amount of time? It`s like in America where they have Gay correctional facilities. They`ve never worked and I`ve never heard of them ever working. Despite how hard they try to sway gay people to being straight, it`s never worked. When does the "influencing" begin? At what age?

    Also you made a comment early about liking blondes/redheads etc. But does that also apply to personality because so far, we`re going by what people look like?
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 10:33 am
    @LePigeon and TheShgn2, read the comments through, it`s already explained that we`re not claiming you can simply say: "k today a penis, tomorrow a vagina, and to spice things up a monkey for the weekend", it`s not that kind of choice, it`s more of the choices you make when you`re younger influence how your genetic markup makes you react to your environment.

    Kids thinking they are a girl trapped in a man`s body? Please, kids also think crayons are delicious. They don`t know, they`re experimenting, it doesn`t mean that you as a dumbass parent need to go and give them a sex-change operation because they said: "mom, I like playing house with barbie dolls".

    Really, I lived it through, I wanted to be a girl so bad, now? Not so much, puberty kicked in and my love for vaginas has never been greater.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 10:34 am
    @8BitHero, ever heard of those people who suddenly "find that they`re gay", at like 50? Yeah, it can change over time.
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    onewhosinz Female 30-39
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    May 9, 2012 at 10:46 am
    Very well put LePigeon.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2012 at 5:30 pm
    Can we assume that a person with absolutely no social contact (human or animal) would naturally be straight?
    @tstyblucryns: (I love that name btw!) This is what "science" used to believe was true! That all humans were "instinctively" heterosexual. That was like 60 years ago, eh? After Skinner`s experiments, many beliefs about "instincts" were utterly destroyed.

    This includes the bonobo apes that were filmed in the wild participating in homosexual conduct?
    @Gerry1: Ah, the famous Bonobos! They are NOT homosexuals. In fact they are "hyper"sexuals, since they drat anything that moves and several things that don`t.
    They also have sex with Bonobo children...

    Homosexuality: mutual sex exclusively with a partner of the same gender, despite available members of the other gender.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2012 at 5:41 pm
    "Woah... Deja Vu." @Altaru: I hate deja vu! lolz! It really freaks me out, in that bad way.

    @jendrian: Agrees with me, yay! Oh heck, that didn`t last very long... lolz!
    I know my choice of weight for an example of DNA was poor, I`ve switched to height which is a little more cut & dried (but not entirely of course).
    I`ve never watched a sinlge episode of Bill O`Reilly, but seen clips of him now and then.
    You got some gay animals? Lets see them!

    @Stonards: Elephants screw each other in the butt??? News to me! Also if 45% of their sex is same, and 55% is other? That makes them BI sexual, m-k?

    5cats is gay.
    @PierreJeanFR: Is that what passes for "humour" in France these days? srsly...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2012 at 5:50 pm
    Wiki: Homosexual Behavior In Animals

    Wiki: Homosexuality

    Don`t confuse "behavior" with DNA. An animal that has sex with both males and females is not homosexual! Doing the mating dance =/= homosexual! Two male peguins living their whole life in a zoo alone =/= homosexuals!

    @MattPrince: I think you`re agreeing with me, lolz! Thanks?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    Please, kids also think crayons are delicious.
    lolz! @Jendrian! but @tstyblucryns isn`t a kid...

    @LePigeon: A) Why do people have fetishes? Why are some people pedophiles? I know it`s NOT DNA that`s for sure!
    B) huh?

    So could you change to being gay over a certain amount of time?
    @8BitHero: Yes, obviously!

    It`s like in America where they have Gay correctional facilities.
    The one in Toronto, which was run by the Doctor (whose name eludes me) who was the guy who removed "homosexuality" from the list of mental illnesses, had an excellent track record for "curing" "homosexuality". Note the ""s, very important.

    @8BitHero, ever heard of those people who suddenly "find that they`re gay", at like 50? Yeah, it can change over time.
    I know @jendrian, funny how that DNA changes when you`re 50! lolz!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2012 at 6:11 pm
    He worked with men who were self-proclaimed "homosexuals" but very unhappy. It turns out the majority of them were raped as children, and simply grew up believing that they were gay!
    Through therapy they re-arranged their minds and most "became" heterosexuals. Not 100% of course, but most of them. Even those that "stayed gay" were a lot happier than they were before.

    Of course when he published his findings he was savagely attacked...

    Were these men actually "homosexuals" in the first place? idk, but that`s why I`ve used so many ""s eh?

    @8BitHero those "religious deprogramming" places are completely different, in my opinion anyhow.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2012 at 1:23 am
    @5Cats: That`s what I`m talking about when I say you need to know how to put some restraint when quoting inconclusive scientific research.

    Really? Animal homosexuality is news to you? Even after the hundreds upon hundreds of articles that appear all the time in peer-reviewed scientific research and then leak into the news or some other outlet?

    Read those links from wikipedia you posted, they have several examples of observed homosexual behaviour, for whatever reason it happens, it does.

    Are you serious with the debate over bonobo sexuality? Come on, so because they engage in sex with whatever, then a homosexual or heterosexual encounter is not so? Come on man, the penguins? They didn`t live alone and enclosed together in a zoo, they were part of a giant flock with lots of females, they chose each other consistently even after showing them females.

    That`s what I mean when I say you need to learn when to shut it
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2012 at 1:24 am
    ... on the other hand, just because it happens in the wild doesn`t mean that it has to be genetic. It`s not like animals are incapable of learned behaviour
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2012 at 1:42 am
    @jendrian: You are absolutely wrong, sry!
    Bonobos are in NO WAY shape or form "homosexuals"... ffs!
    AGAIN: read what your own links say
    AGAIN: define homosexuality properly
    AGAIN: heterosexuality is NOT genetic

    So, deal!!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2012 at 1:49 am
    Even after the hundreds upon hundreds of articles that appear
    Thousands upon thousands of "articles" have claimed the Lock Ness Monster is real...
    Bigfoot..
    MILLIONS of articles have calimed UFO`s are real!
    Need I go on?
    My MILLIONS overmatch your "mere hundreds" easily, but are no more "true" ot "factual", get it?

    That`s what I mean when I say you need to learn when to shut it
    I`m trying really hard to NOT take that personally...
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2012 at 10:43 am
    5Cats: If a nymphomaniac woman has sex with a woman, she has had a homosexual encounter, if 2 hours later she has sex with a man, a heterosexual encounter. If bonobos happen to do the same, you count that as "hypersexual", a word that only you and Zeus know what it means.

    Again, I didn`t link anything, your link specifically starts with:
    A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them

    It includes:
    The correct usage of the term homosexual is that an animal exhibits homosexual behavior or even same-sex sexual behavior; however, this article conforms to the usage by modern research

    And it`s well referenced and cited.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2012 at 10:45 am
    5Cats wrote:
    Thousands upon thousands of "articles" have claimed the Lock Ness Monster is real...

    Peer-reviewed scientific articles cite homosexual animal behaviour, not "articles" claiming the existence of the Loch Ness Monster. The words you missed are PEER-REVIEWED and SCIENTIFIC
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    kangoala Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    @5Cats.
    Sorry it took so long to reply, I didn`t realize this thread was even still alive. And to retort, `predisposed` DOES mean `genetic trait`. It`s the genetic trait that predisposes you toward a particular physical attribute! So no, you can`t `choose` to have three ears if you`ve only got two, but if the combination of genetic sequences that regulate the formation of ears has a mutation that renders it susceptible to teratogens (look it up), such as alcohol, it IS conceivable (although highly unlikely in this particular instance) that you`d end up with three ears when exposed to the relevant environmental factors. Speaking of which, if you`ve got multiple older brothers from the same biological mother then your mother`s estrogen actually plays the part of a `gay` teratogen (it gets better at fending off the male development hormones), making it more biologically probable that you`ll have higher levels of female hormones. This doesn`t mean `gay`, but it`s a pertinent genetc
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2012 at 6:17 pm
    @jendrian: Homosexual behavior does NOT mean the animal is a homosexual, ok?
    Mutual and exclusive. I read a lot of that link, it says right in it that just because they observe the act, they have no idea if that animal does a heterosexual act the next day, ok?

    @kangoala: I knew that, except for the proper technical term "teratogens" lolz!

    The reason I argue it`s not genetic is because those whao say it is also claim that therefor it`s IMPOSSIBLE to change your sexual orientation! That`s utter nonsense, and I`m not talking about "reprogramming" I`m saying that lots of people move between hetero or bi or homo during their life! I doubt DNA forced them to.

    Claiming that it`s "natural" for humans is... CORRECT! lolz! (thought I`d say no, eh?)
    BUT extending that claim into the animal kingdom is just plain silly.
    IMHO
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    kangoala Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2012 at 9:57 pm
    @5Cats.
    To claim that it`s not changeable is, I guess, a little simple. But that`s only as simple as saying `going gay` is also a choice. The issue isn`t whether it`s `possible` to change one`s sexual preference (however extreme the method for doing so may be), the issue is whether or not it`s something that might be genetic in nature, and therefore not of one`s independent cognition. If sexuality is I choose, then I sure as hell don`t remember getting asked whether or not I wanted to be gay. But I don`t regret it, it is what it is. I`m more physically attracted to members of my sex. That`s not proof one way or the other, I just can`t imagine why one would actively choose to have to wrestle with justifying to everyone else that what they feel is a fundamental, unconscious attraction...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 11, 2012 at 3:37 pm
    @kangoala: Thanks for being polite and you`re well spoken too!
    We`ll probably have the same conversation the next time this comes up at IAB. And it will! lolz!

    Chinese Girls Make Me Horney Syndrome: It`s a fact! Ever since I was a little lad, I`ve had CGMMHS! It`s in my DNA, it`s genetic! I simply cannot help myself OR change my sexual preference. ONLY Chinese Girls get MY flag to full mast! Not Japanese or Koreans; Chinese!
    Obviously it`s genetic, right? No other possible explaination!

    (sprinkle with a hint of sarcasm & serve deadpan)
    (lolz!)
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    robert69 Male 40-49
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    May 12, 2012 at 4:41 pm
    the fat part is wrong
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    kangoala Male 18-29
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    May 12, 2012 at 8:06 pm
    @5cats,
    To each their own. But I fail to see how that`d be any different than a gay guy saying "I like Chinese guys. I can`t help it...."
    Changing the scope of the question doesn`t really add anything to support your claim. And as I`ve already said, Genes may only play a part in it (i.e., determine the underly fundamental sexuality construct), that being said, they may also play a majority role in it (in which case your CGMMHS condition, as bizarre as it may be, actually supports my position).
    But it looks like I have to reiterate; sexuality is a SPECTRUM, and much like the color of one`s skin, it can come in many more shades than our man-made categorical approach can neatly deal with.
    And before you launch into the classic `then where does it stop? Pedophilia? Bestiality? ` argument, let me just point out one thing. Grown adults engaging in NON-HARMFUL, and MUTUALLY CONSENSUAL behaviors is more than a little different to the easily defendable laws again
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    kangoala Male 18-29
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    May 12, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    st the aforementioned outlawed behaviors

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