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57 Responses to Trayvon Martin Fought In A Local `Fight Club`

  1. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 21, 2012 at 7:16 am
    Link: Trayvon Martin Fought In A Local `Fight Club` - You can hear his name called out about 5 seconds into the video. You can see his tattoo as well.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:07 am
    how come Trayvon Martin is not in theis video?
    thats just some kid named Trayvon (lastname unkown). he is not tall engh to be Trayvon Martin.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:12 am

    It gives credence to Zimmerman`s account.
    Not that it matters, `They` have decided to get Zimmerman and they`re going to, facts don`t enter into it.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:23 am
    Hmmmmm. The ultra violent teen didn`t strike first?

    Open and shut case your Honor.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:28 am
    Scouring the internet, I have found that in this video, Trayvon Martin is not participating in the actual fight in this video.

    He is, however, present witnessing the fight.

    The internet has told me that Trayvon is the tall black kid wearing the white cap and the striped shirt.
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    GlockPants Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:28 am
    I didn`t see anything in this that would make me think it`s the same Trayvon. And I call BS on seeing any tattoos, you can`t see crap in this low-quality cellphone video.
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    lampshadshoe Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:33 am
    apparently it was removed from his account after he died. i`m not sure i`m 100% on this one. gonna leave it alone till the media has had there fun and the whole story comes out.
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    FrankieF Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:37 am
    So a kid in fight club still gives justification , to an adult who could detain him by hand or other means...but oh he`s in a fight club Zim had every right to kill someone else family..what a waste of an upload
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:44 am
    So what? I knew kids in high school who were in fight clubs, and they were all rich, white kids. It`s called being a teenager. So he felt capable of defending himself. I don`t understand why defending oneself from a pursuer is justification for murder. If it`s okay for Zimmerman to shoot in self-defense, why couldn`t Trayvon Martin defend himself with his fists?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:46 am
    why couldn`t Trayvon Martin defend himself with his fists?

    Detaining someone with a firearm is not assualt jumping on top of them and punching them is.
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    TheLemur Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:49 am
    Somebody forgot the first rule
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:50 am
    It is not defense when you initiate contact.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:53 am
    Trayvon is (allegedly) the tall one in stripes near the end (as @DuckBoy mentioned) NOT the short kid fighting. Trayvon was 6`2" remember?

    If it`s him it shows how much his `gangsta` mentality influenced his everyday life. If it`s not him - then it`s not!
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    Omphaloskept Male 40-49
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:57 am
    A tattoo! Oh my God. Why didn`t this bombshell get the coverage it deserves? And some kind of juvenile `Fight Club?` Next we`ll learn that he once yelled at a girlfriend or dented his father`s car.

    Congratulations, Internet: you are now trying to justify *ex post facto* the fatal shooting of an unarmed teenager. I just looked that up, and it says here that makes you an non-nice individual.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    May 21, 2012 at 8:58 am
    I doesn’t matter if Trayvon was in MMA are the Kumite. the 911 operater told Zimmermen not to fallow Trayvon
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:13 am

    "the 911 operater told Zimmermen not to fallow Trayvon"
    Zimmerman is under no legal obligation to obey a 911 operator. Also, the timeline seems to be that Zimmerman stopped following, headed back when Trayvon turned and followed him.

    Not that anything matters. The verdict is already certain. It`s a done deal before it starts.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:18 am
    I know people who joined an MMA league just so they would have an outlet and NOT get into fights on the streets.
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    simbha Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:33 am
    "Trayvon was 6`2" remember?"

    According to the autopsy report, Martin was 5`11" and 158 lbs at the time of his death.
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    simbha Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:35 am
    Gerry1of1: "It gives credence to Zimmerman`s account."

    How does a man (let`s call him a man) being in a fight club give credence to the story of the man charged with shooting him (possibly, in self defense)? What has one got to do with the other?
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    simbha Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:39 am
    5Cats: "If it`s him it shows how much his `gangsta` mentality influenced his everyday life. If it`s not him - then it`s not!"

    I don`t follow. How is his being in a fight club (or not) relevant to assessing his character? People are in fight clubs for countless reasons. You cannot even definitively show that a majority of people in fight clubs have a "`gansta` mentality."

    I`m not favoring either side in this court fight, but arguments (generically, not just in court) should be based on facts, not the personal perceptions or biases of the debaters.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:42 am
    simbha, it shows that Martin has a potentially violent and `gangsta` lifestyle.

    It gives credence to Zimmerman as Z gave up following M and that M, with his potentially violent and `gangsta` lifestyle, attacked Z.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:44 am
    To reiterate, it shows M`s character, which is 100% important when the person cannot represent himself... As M is dead.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:54 am
    So someone with the first name Trayvon watched a fight at some point and this somehow proves that Tayvon Martin must have attacked George Zimmerman?

    I hope for Zimmerman`s own sake that this is just an internet thing and isn`t the kind of "evidence" his legal team are using in court, because if it is he`s going to jail for a very long time.
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    Fancysucksss Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:55 am
    This is stupid. People fight all the time. Just because he didn`t join your local boxing gym doesn`t mean poo. We are violent angry poos when we are young sometimes. Big deal. This shouldn`t even be allowed in the case anyways
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 21, 2012 at 10:25 am

    @ simbha - 1st, I`m not saying Trayvon deserved what he got, he didn`t. But proof of aggresive behavior does lend credability to Zimmerman`s account that it was Trayvon attacking him. Just as Zimmerman`s previous domestic violence incident works against him, this video works for him.
  26. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 21, 2012 at 10:41 am
    @simbha: You`d better link that "Autopsy Report" because even Trayvon`s own family say he was 6`2".

    just FYI: If you hit F5 or click refresh, it sometimes re-posts your last posting, eh? Just delete the double (it`s below your avatar).

    @paddy215: This video has been around since the news broke, it has nothing to do with Zimmerman at all.
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    WeePee Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 10:42 am
    it doesnt look like he won this fight either...
  28. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 21, 2012 at 10:59 am
    DuckBoy is correct, Trayvon didn`t fight in this video, but he was a participant in fights like these.

    He is indeed wearing the striped shirt and a white cap. This video shows his `state of mind` and character.
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    tatervent Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 11:11 am
    This case is just a case.... like... things happen, why care about it any more?
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 11:20 am
    Oh, well I guess it was ok to murder him while he was unarmed then. Thanks for resolving that.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 11:39 am
    "He is indeed wearing the striped shirt and a white cap. This video shows his `state of mind` and character."

    Oh, well I guess it was ok to murder him while he was unarmed then. Thanks for resolving that.

    Please leave the law to lawyers, especially the technical aspects about admissible evidence and theories of justifiable homicide.

    Zimmerman will get his day in court, and he will lose, because it is very difficult to establish fear for ones life (justifying use of deadly force in self-defense) when you approached a person whom you felt was so suspicious you called the police, but then proceeded to confront while armed.

    The only complicated part of this case is the right-wing`s over-reactive knee jerk defense of this murderer based upon their paranoia that the black man in the white house is out for their guns. No, he murdered an unarmed minor - this isn`t about gu. Rights, it`s about murder. Period.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 11:41 am
    P.s.s - I have a concealed weapons permit, carry regularly, and love my 357 magnum, 45 ACP semi-auto, Glock 17, and Remington 870 Marine Magnum, so don`t give me any bullpoo about politics.

    Murderers deserve jail.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 11:43 am
    I take part in an amateur fighting league at a local gym...does this make me somehow a bad or violent person?

    the answer of course is NO.

    so, I have to wonder, what does this have to do with anything, other than it explains why Martin was able to kick Zimmerman`s ass so eaily when he was defending himself from Zimmerman stalking him.

    again, Zimm followed, confronted and provoked a scared teen late at night and he got attacked for it. then, because he is a loser, he shot the kid.

    to jail with him.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 11:44 am
    P.s.s.s. - I don`t identify all my guns by model because I don`t want someone to be able to ID me with this screen name. See? There is reasonable paranoia, then belief that Zimmerman isn`t a murderer. There is a difference.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 11:46 am
    CrakrJak

    you assume because he was at a fight, that he takes part in them?

    yep, you sound like you have nothing but an objective understanding of this whole issue.

    I will definitely be watching your post to inform me of the truth to deter statements made by others that rely on actual evidence.
  36. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 21, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    goaliejerry: The word `Murder` has a legal context to it. That context has NOT been proven in a court of law yet. So please let`s use the word `killed` instead okay?

    GZ was attacked by Martin and being beaten, all the evidence, so far, backs GZ`s claim of self-defense, Martin`s bruised and scraped knuckles, The gun was shot 6 inches from Martin`s chest, Martin had THC in his system, Blood on the sidewalk was GZ`s, Witnesses confirm that Martin was on top of GZ beating him.

    Walking up to someone and asking them what they are doing there doesn`t give a respondent the right to attack that person.

    As I said before, this goes toward `state of mind`. Martin was comfortable with fighting and this video shows just that.

    Quit getting butthurt that Saint Skittles` life is being investigated, GZ`s life has been investigated as well.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    May 21, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    That CAN`T be Trayvon Martin!

    Trayvon Martin was a little angel that wouldn`t hurt a fly and was on the way to read the Bible to his ailing grandmother.

    I know this because the Media has told me so.

    dm2754-"the 911 operater told Zimmermen not to fallow Trayvon"

    Which means nothing. The 911 operator is not an officer of the law. 911 operators do not have the authority to give a civilian an order in any form or fashion.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 21, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    "Zimmerman followed Martin" is a Media Myth that has largely been dispelled by the facts.

    Linky to the Linky!

    Z followed M for 17 seconds! Then spent over 2 minutes NOT following him and talking to 911. It`s not `theory` it`s a FACT!

    He then started back to his truck. What happened next IS THEORY but the evidence supports Martin attacking Zimmerman. K?

    @goaliejerry: If someone attacks you? It isn`t murder to defend yourself.
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    VirtualParty Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 1:42 pm
    Taken down by the big media companies. I need a link to the truth, for it is truly free. Has anyone mirrored or saved the video?
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    simbha Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    @5Cats: Here you go: Link to Martin autopsy report

    See the second page, in which the coroner states, "The body is that of a normally developed, black male appearing the stated age of 17 years with a body length of 71 inches [5`11""> and body weight of 158 pounds."

    And, thanks for the tip on how double-posts show up. I didn`t realize/know that.
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    simbha Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    And, I contend that participation in fights in a relatively controlled environment (such as fight clubs) has not been shown to be an indicator of violent tendencies.

    If he were a member of his school`s football or wrestling club, this wouldn`t be an issue - yet both can be interpreted as sports reflecting aggressive tendencies. If these kids were wearing boxing gloves, I don`t think this would be an issue either - but because they`re choosing to go no-holds-barred, somehow that is reflective of violent tendencies?

    That seems to be a biased interpretation of the situation.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    @simbha Firstly, most of these underground fight clubs are illegal. I don`t know if you`ve ever been exposed to one or not, but in my area, there`s a lot of gang activity linked to said underground fight clubs. I`m not sure if this is the case with this one, but that`s why this differs from sports such as boxing, football, etc.
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    Norris Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 3:51 pm
    wonder what`ll happen when Zimmerman gets off :P
  44. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 21, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    simbha: The liberal summation of violent video games and movies is that they cause violent behavior in teens and adults. How would actually participating in bare knuckle fights be any less casual to violent behavior?

    I`m not saying that everyone that learns Karate, TKD, Boxing or other martial arts will be violent, in fact most of the martial arts teach discipline and respect above all. But street fighting teaches nothing except violence for it`s own sake.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:29 pm
    So? George Zimmerman killed a man.
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    skine Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:39 pm
    "That CAN`T be Trayvon Martin!

    Trayvon Martin was a little angel that wouldn`t hurt a fly and was on the way to read the Bible to his ailing grandmother."

    That HAD to be Trayvon!

    Trayvon was a bloodthirsty murderer because that`s what I`ve heard from other people on the internet!

    (The argument is BS either way)
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    skine Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm
    "The liberal summation of violent video games and movies is that they cause violent behavior in teens and adults."

    Wait, what?

    Aside from Al Gore, it seems like it`s the religious right that holds that position.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 21, 2012 at 9:45 pm
    YouTube pulled the vid.

    Here`s another link.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    May 22, 2012 at 6:09 am
    CrakrJak even I wouldnt have expected you to post something as stupid as this...shame on you.

    this wasnt even a real fight let alone the kid not even being trayvon...

    "It gives credence to Zimmerman`s account.
    Not that it matters, `They` have decided to get Zimmerman and they`re going to, facts don`t enter into it."

    thats right Gerry. while i can say that im glad they are going to get him im disappointed in how its going to be done. people need to stop flip flopping on how things work here in their own country and choose a side and stick with it.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2012 at 7:50 am
    "thats right Gerry. while i can say that im glad they are going to get him im disappointed in how its going to be done. people need to stop flip flopping on how things work here in their own country and choose a side and stick with it."

    lol People don`t just CHOOSE how the judicial system works.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2012 at 7:52 am
    @collegebound How is this post stupid? It`s just a video. Also, there is no proof that it isn`t or is Treyvon at the moment.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    May 22, 2012 at 9:10 am
    He could`ve been the next President
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 22, 2012 at 9:37 am
    @simbha: Holy Poo! He was only 5`11"? Thanks for the link!
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    NightHack Male 18-29
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    May 22, 2012 at 10:13 am
    He was in a fight club? Yet another reason he didn`t deserve to be shot by some nutjob who should never have been carrying a gun to begin with. I know Trayvon Martin wasn`t a super upstanding citizen, maybe he was even kind of a dirtbag. But unless he pointed a gun at Zimmerman, he didn`t deserve to be shot to death. Bottom line.
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    Willowwatch Female 30-39
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    May 22, 2012 at 10:54 am
    Dear Mr. Zimmerman,
    When the cops tell you to STOP FOLLOWING someone. You should try that first, then maybe you wouldn`t get your ass kicked my a kid who does not want to be killed by your crazy ass. When people are afraid for their lives they generally flee or fight.(fight or flight response, you may have heard of it) He tried to flee and you persisted in chasing him so he fought. Not surprising and no excuse for shooting him.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2012 at 11:38 am
    @Willowwatch Dear Mr. Willowwatch. Please learn the difference between a cop and a 911 dispatch.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 22, 2012 at 8:47 pm
    @NightHack Trayvon...didn`t deserve to be shot to death. Bottom line.
    But Zimmerman DID deserve to be beaten to death. Is that your "bottom line?"

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