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    lisalynn Female 18-29
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    May 31, 2012 at 9:52 am
    Link: NYC Plans Ban On `Large` Sugary Drinks - The mayor plans to ban of any deemed `sugary drink` over 16oz anywhere in NY. A step in the right direction, America?
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    Thdot Male 30-39
    658 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:06 am
    no good. fda just said hfcs isn`t sugar.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 10:09 am
    This is a step to dictating everything in your life wrong direction.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 31, 2012 at 10:13 am

    stupid stupid stupid
    You cannot legislate stupid.
    If people are dumb enough to eat themselves into an early grave, you can`t legislate common sense into them.

    Mother: "Oh, no big soda`s... here, have this Milk Shake instead baby, and I`ll buy you an extra cheeseburger to make it up to you."

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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 10:14 am
    Not gonna happen...
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    May 31, 2012 at 10:15 am
    Oh gubbament - this is why I give up on you. So he bans a giant SODA, but you can still buy a 24 ounce milkshake, alcoholic drink, "smoothie", or juice -

    THEN he exempts diet soda from the ban. I guess Mayor Bloomberg needs to take a trip to the local grocery store and see all the fatties pushing their carts LOADED TO THE BRIM with diet soda.

    I`m sorry, I don`t know what is making people so fat, but it ain`t sugary soda.
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    Muert Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 10:15 am
    No good. People who want to drink that much soda will just buy more containers of it.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:16 am
    So will they ban 2 liter bottles too? God politicians need to get the f**K out of peoples business!
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    clockwork208 Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 10:16 am
    ROFL. Oh wow. WOW. This is awesome. First our food, now drinks, next...? Next? I don`t even wanna think about it.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 10:17 am
    This is so stupid. "oh big government save me from myself." What is happening to our freedom???
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 10:20 am
    They`ll have to put a 1 per person ban too with a registry of soda purchases. Maybe they should make a national soda registration card to keep track of cross-state-line soda purchases.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    May 31, 2012 at 10:20 am
    It`s no wonder New Yorkers hate this intrusive f#ck.
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
    662 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:20 am
    It`s not a step in the right direction. The government has no right to tell us what size to buy.Yes it is stupid to drink that much soda, but education is key
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 10:25 am
    @McGovern1981 - No, they said it will apply to restaurants/fast food, movie theaters, food carts/vendors, etc. Grocery stores and places like that will be exempt.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:28 am
    A step in the right direction? Maybe, if you want/need the govt to do all of your thinking for you.
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    shiftyplus1 Male 18-29
    311 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:29 am
    Yay, more government telling us what we can and can`t put in our own bodies! More please!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:38 am
    Freedom isn`t free! There`s a heavy dratin` fee!
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    notorious98 Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 10:38 am
    Bloomberg is going to ban large sugary drinks at restaurants. Nearly all of which have free refills. Good game, Bloomberg. Good game.
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    bloomi Male 18-29
    148 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:39 am
    A step in the right direction? Are you serious? I agree that something needs to be done to try and reduce obesity, but banning large drinks? I really do believe the whole world is just turning into a dictatorship.
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    notorious98 Male 30-39
    151 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:39 am
    @pooptart19

    They may hate him, but God damn if he doesn`t get re-elected every time.
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:40 am
    My first IAB link. My mother would be so proud.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 31, 2012 at 10:41 am

    I wish I had a gazillion dollars, just so I could afford the lawyers needed to challenge the constitutionality of this stupid law and others like it.

    "Freedom" to those idiots means "freedom to choose from our approved list of bahaviors. Deviation from this list is not allowed."
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:41 am
    "A step in the right direction? Are you serious?"

    No, my caption said "Nanny Bloomberg plans ban of any deemed `sugary drink` over 16oz anywhere in NY" but I guess it wasn`t flame baity enough.
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
    1933 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:46 am
    The government shouldn`t have any hand in limiting consumer choice. Should they limit corporations ability to drat the consumer? Yes, they certainly should. But they should never limit what the consumer can get, it`s basic liberties.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:46 am
    "No, my caption said "Nanny Bloomberg plans ban of any deemed `sugary drink` over 16oz anywhere in NY" but I guess it wasn`t flame baity enough. "

    IAB mods changing captions to suit their own agendas? That would never happen :D

    and why the new account just to post this?
  26. Profile photo of notorious98
    notorious98 Male 30-39
    151 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:48 am
    Minute Maid OJ per serving (8 oz)

    26 carbs, 22 sugars

    Coke per serving (8 oz)

    27 carbs, 27 sugars

    I know that OJ has more nutritional value, but aren`t they both considered sugary drinks? As a diabetic, I know that I can`t really drink either.
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:52 am
    "and why the new account just to post this?"

    Mods said my submissions from this account weren`t going through reliably so I made that one to submit from. Now I can spam live submission, although I still can`t figure out how that works because it never updates with anything when I check it, I never saw this in there at all. The core of this site has something against me.

    "What is happening to our freedom???"

    Democrats.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
    1945 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:55 am
    Sometimes the triple face palm is necessary.

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    penguinazul Female 18-29
    470 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 10:57 am
    No, this is a bad move. Do you really want the government to dictate what you can and cannot drink? If you choose to drink 5 gallons of soda a day, that`s your own damn business and you should have the right to do so. Otherwise, the US (or any other country) won`t be considered a "free country" anymore and they`ll start telling you where to buy your clothes and where to work and where to go to the doctor, etcetcetc.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3351 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 11:25 am
    so i cant buy a 1 lt so no i would just have to get 3 12oz can
    that will be very porftable for the bottling company but no help to anyone else
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
    3894 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 11:26 am
    No. This is not a step in the right direction. If you`re a fatass, that`s your own choice and you`re welcome to it. Don`t place restrictions on what people can and can`t sell or buy just because it`s not good for them. They know it`s not good for them. Treat them like adults and allow them to reap the effects of their own choices.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
    1945 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 11:28 am
    Of course I just checked MSNBC and they are all for it.

    And if it`s such a good idea why all the loopholes?
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
    2035 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 11:28 am
    Welcome back, Prohibition.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    May 31, 2012 at 11:35 am
    The Mayor of New York is a Nazi.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    May 31, 2012 at 11:35 am
    all this will do is create more trash from packaging

    you take away someone`s 20oz drink and leave them with a 12oz can, they`ll just buy 2 12 oz cans and drink those

    and what about parties? are you going to ban 2L? if not, why not just upgrade from 20oz bottles to 2L bottles?
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    funnehkitteh Male 18-29
    528 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 11:38 am
    country for the free they said
    america = freedom they said
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    Keegan31 Male 18-29
    228 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 11:39 am
    It`s a bad idea. Sure, drinking that much soda is bad for you, but no one should be able to force you to stop.

    Now this part of the article: "he tried to restrict the use of food stamps to buy sodas, but the idea was rejected by federal regulators." That would have been a damn good move. Who the hell rejected that?
  38. Profile photo of penguinazul
    penguinazul Female 18-29
    470 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 11:41 am
    Do you people not read? The ban doesn`t apply to grocery stores.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    May 31, 2012 at 11:46 am
    Who the hell rejected that?

    clearly the politicians who have investments in corn syrup
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 11:56 am
    Why has Leesah got a new account?
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
    3894 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 12:03 pm
    Where did all the "This is why you`re fat, America" posters go?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 31, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    I predicted this years ago. Going after smokers was the tip of the iceberg, now they`re going after `sugary drinks`, next it will be something else you enjoy. This cradle to grave nanny state bullsh|t has to stop.
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    Nanny Bloomberg responds!

    "We`ve got to do something. Everybody is wringing their hands saying we`ve got to do something. Well, here is a concrete thing. You can still buy large bottles in stores. But in a restaurant, 16 ounces is the maximum that they would be able to serve in one cup. If you want to order two cups of the same time, that`s fine. It`s your choice. We`re not taking away anybody`s right to do things. ~~~~We`re simply forcing you to understand~~~~ that you have to make the conscious decision to go from one cup to another cup," NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg said about his proposal to ban sugary drinks 16oz or larger.


    You`re too god damn stupid to make the connection for yourself, we`re simply forcing you to understand!!
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    Brometheus Male 30-39
    376 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    A new report finds diabetes accounts for nearly $1 out of $4 spent on hospital care.

    Diabetes is becoming an epidemic in this country. I don`t like the idea of government regulating what we eat but we can`t ignore the effects this has on our health care system and economy.
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    Quik2TheStab Male 18-29
    661 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    drat that, soda`s delicious.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    May 31, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    First they came for the smokers and I said nothing...
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    "but we can`t ignore the effects this has on our health care system and economy."

    You punish people by making them take personal responsibility for their choices, not by scapegoating certain foods. "You`re paying your own self-inflicted obesity bills" will inspire skipping soda for a water bottle instead of the slight inconvenience of buying two drinks.
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    Profworm Male 30-39
    403 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    No, it`s alright. Don`t bother reading the article. Just go ahead and go nuts with assumptions and wild speculation. It`s the American way.

    I don`t think the idea is terrible, myself. We always want more food and drink than we actually require to be full. `Your eyes are bigger than your stomach` as the old saying goes.

    Or you can go to the store and buy a crate of Mountain Dew, No change there.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    @penguinazul - Apparently people like to comment on posts without reading the whole thing and/or other comments first. I tried telling them that it doesn`t apply to grocery stores which means you can still buy 2 liters but no one listens...
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2343 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    In the dark, dank back-alleys behind seedy movie theaters of the Big Apple, skulks a most nefarious character- What foul business is he attending? Pushing soul-killing narcotics? No. Selling some young innocent into a degrading life of Prostitution? No.Worse, this dastardly creature of the night... 32ounce soda pop!
    Oh, the humanity!
  51. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    "There ought to be limits to freedom."

    -Dubya
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 1:38 pm
    You punish people by making them take personal responsibility for their choices, not by scapegoating certain foods. "You`re paying your own self-inflicted obesity bills" will inspire skipping soda for a water bottle instead of the slight inconvenience of buying two drinks.
    And how exactly would you know if they did it to themselves? If they told the hospital "I never drink soda," what are they going to do? Make everyone who`s fat pay for every problem they can link to obesity?

    The problem is that no one wants to take personal responsibility. Everyone wants the freedom to do as they please, but then they complain when health care costs are high. Some people legitimately exercise and eat healthy but are still overweight.
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    EmagehtmaI Male 18-29
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    May 31, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    People will just buy two drinks. Not gonna stop people from over eating. You just aren`t.
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    Zerstiren Male 18-29
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    May 31, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    What would stop restaurants from doing a "buy one, get one free" deal with 16 oz. soft drinks?
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 2:13 pm
    "If they told the hospital "I never drink soda," what are they going to do?"

    There are a few medical conditions that cause obesity and they are all very easy to test for. It would be simple to differentiate the fat clogged arteries of a greedy pig and someone suffering a disease they need assistance controlling.
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 2:14 pm
    "I tried telling them that it doesn`t apply to grocery stores which means you can still buy 2 liters but no one listens..."

    You`re the one losing out. Do you enjoy not only paying for refills, but paying for an entire new drink? Simply because some mayor has decided that you don`t deserve the right to make your own decisions. People buy the large size because the medium size isn`t enough, right? So now instead of ordering the medium 16oz drink they`re going to buy two 24oz bottles, enabling them to drink 8oz more than they would have originally.

    The greatest part is that Starbucks will have to jack up the prices on plain old coffee and tea, but they can sell their sugar and fat packed lattes and cappuccinos in 30oz sizes because they`re "51% milk".
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 2:14 pm
    People will just buy two drinks. Not gonna stop people from over eating. You just aren`t.
    No, it probably won`t, but their goal here is to make you conscious of how much crap you`re putting into yourself. Most people probably won`t care, unless the restaurants decide to charge extra...
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    Brometheus Male 30-39
    376 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 2:19 pm
    "Some people legitimately exercise and eat healthy but are still overweight."

    Unless they have a legitimate medical condition that makes weight loss near impossible, and are eating fewer calories than you burn, they will lose weight. Otherwise, they`re consuming too much. It really is that simple.

    @leesah - Soda has no nutritional value and contains roughly 1/10 the amount of calories you need per day (thats one can of coke), so it isn`t a scapegoat. But you`re right. If you want people to change their behavior there need to be consequences for that behavior.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    May 31, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    Why should the government be trying to tell people how to live? Period. This is wrong, and in my opinion, unconstitutional.
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    han5nah Female 13-17
    735 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    Dude, let us drink what ever the drat we want. Government`s job is not to force us to live more healthy. It should remind us occasionally that it is bad, but not ban us from doing that which is bad.
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    bordo Male 50-59
    907 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 3:39 pm
    As we slide ever closer into becoming a totalitarian state, all for our own good, of course.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 3:47 pm
    Not only is Bloomberg a Nazi, he`s an arrogant, condescending prick for thinking New Yorkers are too stupid to figure out that they can by 2 drinks.

    On the other hand, he might be right. After all, these are the same geniuses who voted for this @$$hole in the first place.
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    shaustin Male 18-29
    143 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 3:51 pm
    Haha love reading comments... americans are so against this! if you people were responsible enough to make your own decisions then your politicians wouldnt have to make laws like this, which can have nothing but positive long term results
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    diylobotomy Male 18-29
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    May 31, 2012 at 4:16 pm
    If you think a step towards fascism is a step in the right direction. The government can`t tell people what they can and can not do to their own bodies. You can`t punish everyone just because most people don`t have self control.
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    ExtraCredit Male 50-59
    451 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    Probably a good idea. Except that it tramples on our freakin freedom. Guns for all, Big Gulps for none.
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    Dover78 Male 18-29
    224 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 4:52 pm
    Shaustin, that`s why exactly why laws like this are so ridiculous. Just like more or less every country in the world that isn`t the USA, I think this country is filled to the rafters with idiots. I wish our government would repeal all these laws meant to save people from their own stupidity and let evolution start taking hold again. While they`re at it, lets ban all warning labels too. Sure we might lose the odd kid to a bottle of bleach but hey, lets face it, that kid wasn`t exactly going places was he?
  67. Profile photo of Groogle
    Groogle Male 30-39
    2172 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 4:58 pm
    "It`s our decision what we do with our money."

    So it`s your decision to buy or not buy the only format that those people are selling / the format that cost you the least per ounces / the format that is the more publicised / the only format left that`s available...

    You could always drink water from the tap if you get tired of having to make decisions... but you`re probably just going to buy the bottled version of that so never mind. Act like I said nothing at all.
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    Willowwatch Female 30-39
    734 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 5:21 pm
    so now they will just buy more than one at a time, way to go
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    May 31, 2012 at 5:53 pm
    Is he f**king nuts? That is a ridiculous idea.

    Don`t get me wrong, I hate fat people too. I just don`t want to be deprived of my Big Gulp.

    I`ve got a better idea. Let`s round up all the fat people and make them wear some kind of tag on their clothing... I don`t know, maybe tattoo a number on them... or something. Then we can ban THEM from big sodas.

    No?

    OK, I got it! We`ll load them up into railroad box cars and ship them off to "fat" camp.

    "Time for your shower, fatty..."
  70. Profile photo of notorious98
    notorious98 Male 30-39
    151 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    @Groogle

    That`s a stupid ass post. If Pepsi or Coke was only offering those choices, your post would make sense. Since it`s the government dictating to us what we can and can`t buy, it makes no sense at all. It`s the only option, not because free market dictates, but because tyrannical rule does. Stop being a retard.
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    Profworm Male 30-39
    403 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 6:36 pm
    Good god would at least one of you please read the article before forming your outspoken opinions about it. At least then you`ll know what to complain about.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 6:42 pm
    Stupid idea. What will we see fromt his?

    Burger with 16 oz drink - $1
    Burger with 2 16 oz drinks - $1.25

    Waste of cups.
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    PinkHomicide Female 18-29
    355 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    "The measure would not apply to diet sodas" Because aspartame is SO much healthier
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    May 31, 2012 at 7:48 pm
    @PinkHomicide

    It is, unless you`re allergic to phenylalanine.
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    "if you people were responsible enough to make your own decisions then your politicians wouldnt have to make laws like this,"

    We are responsible enough to make our own decisions, some people make the decision to buy the Big Gulp, but now we don`t have that choice, do we? No, now the only choice we have is what the Democrat has deemed "the right choice".
  76. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 8:32 pm
    There are a few medical conditions that cause obesity and they are all very easy to test for. It would be simple to differentiate the fat clogged arteries of a greedy pig and someone suffering a disease they need assistance controlling.
    And what are these tests exactly? You seem quite confident about them. I see an endless bout of lawsuits if you call people liars, whether they are or not.
    You say it`s the government taking away your choice, but what about the companies, grocery stores, etc. that are making you more likely to choose in their favour? There are many ways advertisers can influence your decisions unbeknownst to you. Obviously they aren`t forcing you to do anything, but they`re also stacking the deck. How much advertising are you bombarded with on a daily basis? It`s not as black-and-white as you claim it to be.
  77. Profile photo of leesah
    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    May 31, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    "It`s not as black-and-white as you claim it to be."

    Yes, this is. This is not an advertisement saying BEWARE OF SUGARY DRINKS. This is a law banning you from having to make that choice altogether, because it assumes you`re too dumb to make what it considers the "correct" one.

    "And what are these tests exactly?"

    I`m not sure what the exact medical procedures (blood tests, etc) are but what you`re implying is that there`s no way to tell the difference between someone with hypothyroidism or diabetes and someone who just eats a ton of crap food. Which is, of course, absolutely ridiculous, yet here you are implying it.
  78. Profile photo of Agent0024blo
    Agent0024blo Male 18-29
    197 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 12:27 am
    They will get around it... They could sell "buy one, get one" 15oz drinks.
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    YugureKage Female 18-29
    1205 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 12:33 am
    I definitely think this is a great idea.
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    espenfana Male 18-29
    21 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 1:44 am
    @leesah: As it turns out, people ARE too dumb to make the right choice. Either they need a ban, or jack the prices up to cover the cost to society of their dumb choices.
  81. Profile photo of 8BitHero
    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 3:11 am
    What`s wrong with forcing people to live healthily. But, what`s wrong with letting people live how they want to?
  82. Profile photo of Fancysucksss
    Fancysucksss Male 18-29
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    June 1, 2012 at 4:34 am
    The argument about this could never stop. It does conflict. But it`s also necessary. People always want more bang for there buck do they not? It`s all natural. So clearly we need help. some people can`t handle their sugary carbonated concoctions. So you gone and drated it up for everybody else! seriously just blame the fat people..Imagine this at parties haha you have to have a ton of 16 oz. bottles. damn fat people!!
  83. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 1, 2012 at 6:44 am
    Yes, this is. This is not an advertisement saying BEWARE OF SUGARY DRINKS.
    Ah, so it has to be a tit-for-tat thing then does it? Well if that`s the case, you`re suggesting the drink companies, fast food companies etc. should pay health costs for the people that get fat off of their products. I thought you were more American than that...

    what you`re implying is that there`s no way to tell the difference between someone with hypothyroidism or diabetes and someone who just eats a ton of crap food.
    Not what I`m saying really. Tests for cholesterol, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc. can tell a doctor if you are LIKELY obese from bad diet, but since all those symptoms have other causes as well such as genetic makeup and family history, they can`t PROVE you are obese without admission of a bad diet/no exercise. Like I said, I see lawsuits galore if you try to make obese people pay when it may not be their fault.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 1, 2012 at 6:49 am
    Up here in Canada we tax the poo out of cigarettes, partially to get people to quit, partially to cover health care costs of smokers. Since soda has zero nutritional value, indeed it is actually bad for you (at least the sugary ones, and if anyone whines about aspertame they should link a study showing its harm or be quiet), why not treat soda the same as cigarettes? Bloomberg already has large cigarette taxes, and a government`s job is to ensure the safety of its people, and since obesity is an epidemic down there, I think that the government is validated in taking a response.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    June 1, 2012 at 7:18 am
    What`s wrong with the beginning of this sentence: "What`s wrong with forcing people to..." Are we living in a free country or a Communist dictatorship? I know which one Obama would prefer, but I think I`ll go with freedom, as would the millions and millions of people fleeing the Soviet Socialist Republic of New York.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 1, 2012 at 7:40 am
    the millions and millions of people fleeing the Soviet Socialist Republic of New York.
    Millions and millions? At this rate there will be no one left there...woe, is me!
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 7:43 am
    What`s wrong with the beginning of this sentence: "What`s wrong with forcing people to..."
    I don`t know, let`s try:

    What`s wrong with forcing people to...pay taxes?
    What`s wrong with forcing people to...obey the law?
    What`s wrong with forcing people to...require a passport to enter the country?
    What`s wrong with forcing people to...have car insurance?

    Need I go on?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 1, 2012 at 8:13 am
    @patchgrabber

    Because this punishes all for the bad decisions of a few. All the things you stated have a use this tells you how to live.
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    Brometheus Male 30-39
    376 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 8:24 am
    It`s funny that people are equating not being allowed to buy the megasize, all sugar/sodium, non-nutritional, 1/4 their caloric intake soda with totalitarianism. Meanwhile in Ethiopia...
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 8:24 am
    Because this punishes all for the bad decisions of a few. All the things you stated have a use this tells you how to live.

    So you`re saying that a minority of people breaking the law punishes everyone with stricter laws?
    That a few people perform a terrorist act so all must be punished with requiring passports?

    This law also has a purpose, whether or not it will be successful is up for debate though.

    You make me lol.
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    notorious98 Male 30-39
    151 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 8:35 am
    @Patchgrabber

    And look at what taxation has done to cigarettes. Nothing. People still smoke at the same rates as before. Look at what laws have done to marijuana smokers. Nothing. Over 50% of people in the United States have tried marijuana in their lifetime. Look at what effect laws had during prohibition. Extremely negative consequences while the alcohol market continued to boom and crime rates rose considerably. People are going to do what people want to do. The problem is the lack of freedom to do so. If you`re not harming anyone else, why is it anyone else`s business what you do to your own body?

    And there`s plenty wrong with forcing people to pay taxes. But that`s a debate for another time and place.

    And the government`s job isn`t to ensure the safety of one person from him/herself.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 8:37 am
    So you`re saying that a minority of people breaking the law punishes everyone with stricter laws?

    Gun control.

    That a few people perform a terrorist act so all must be punished with requiring passports?

    Before 9/11 you needed a passport to travel many places. Passports have exsisted for ages in many countries. I fail to see the point.

    You make me lol.
    Ignorance is bliss. I can think for myself I don`t need the government involed.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 1, 2012 at 8:43 am
    Those Taxes on cigarettes BTW patch have done a great job funding organized crime smuggling them accross the border much like the prohibition.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 1, 2012 at 8:45 am
    notorious98: "And look at what taxation has done to cigarettes. Nothing."
    Well it has up here.

    notorious98: "If you`re not harming anyone else, why is it anyone else`s business what you do to your own body?"

    Because you all subsidize their health care.

    McGovern: "Before 9/11 you needed a passport to travel many places. Passports have exsisted for ages in many countries. I fail to see the point."

    The point is that now EVERYONE needs one, by ground or air, even though a fraction of a percent of people entering your country have terrorist intentions. Sounds pretty clear to me that all are being punished.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 8:49 am
    Those Taxes on cigarettes BTW patch have done a great job funding organized crime smuggling them accross the border much like the prohibition.
    True, there is an increased presence of cigarette smuggling, but our smoking rates are on the decline, so overall it`s working. The problem is bigger in the US because state taxes can vary considerably, but that`s a problem for the ATF.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 1, 2012 at 8:53 am
    Oh, and @notorious98: New York smokers ARE on the decline.
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    leesah Female 18-29
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    June 1, 2012 at 11:07 am
    "Well if that`s the case, you`re suggesting the drink companies, fast food companies etc. should pay health costs for the people that get fat off of their products."

    I don`t know how you came to that asinine conclusion other than that you have absolutely no reading comprehension. If I DON`T want health care to cover obesity, then I want the people making their own conscious bad food decisions to pay for their own medical bills. How you got from "take personal responsibility" to "blame it on the corporate companies" we will never know.

    "As it turns out, people ARE too dumb to make the right choice."

    No, they`re making the right choice for themselves which may not be what you consider the right choice, which is why they should be punished by taking personal responsibility for the effect their choices have on themselves instead of punishing the majority of people who manage to comprehend moderation.
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 11:11 am
    "That a few people perform a terrorist act so all must be punished with requiring passports?"

    A few people preform a terrorist act so all must be punished by the unconstitutional TSA. Don`t be ignorant on purpose, it`s only making me take you less seriously with every post.

    "can tell a doctor if you are LIKELY obese from bad diet"

    They tell the doctor you are MOST PROBABLY obese from a bad diet and the first thing they tell you to do is to CHANGE YOUR DIET. Again, ignorance on purpose, taking you less seriously, etc etc.
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    cd101 Female 13-17
    39 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    i cant live with out my big drunks :(
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 1, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    Don`t be ignorant on purpose, it`s only making me take you less seriously with every post.
    Well if you thought a little harder you might understand, but if I must I`ll hold your hand and walk you through it.

    How you got from "take personal responsibility" to "blame it on the corporate companies" we will never know.How you got from "take personal responsibility" to "blame it on the corporate companies" we will never know.
    If companies are complicit in helping you make those choices, especially by sublimiinal means, then effectively they have helped you make the choice and should share cost of health care.

    No, they`re making the right choice for themselves
    So EVERY choice someone makes about themselves is the right choice? And you say you take me less seriously with every post. Where do you come up with garbage like that?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 1, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    punished by the unconstitutional TSA.
    And here I am taking you less seriously by your blithering ignorance. TSA doesn`t make law dummy. Also, I wasn`t just referring to air travel, if you looked you would have seen me write "by ground or air." I need a passport if I DRIVE into the US from Canada. No TSA there, think before you comment.

    They tell the doctor you are MOST PROBABLY obese from a bad diet and the first thing they tell you to do is to CHANGE YOUR DIET.
    I feel like I`m arguing with a brick wall. Your proposal that people who are obese through diet pay for their own health care means that doctors would have to PROVE they were eating unhealthy, which they can`t do. If they then tried to make people pay without proof, let the lawsuits commence.

    Need me to explain it further?

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