Moon Landing Footage Shows Suspension Wires

Submitted by: Gerry1of1 4 years ago Weird

Did Nixon get Stanley Kubric to fake the landings? Look at the wires, people!
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Male 67
we went to the damned moon, mythbusters even busted the naysayers..get over it
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Male 1,397
It`s amazing how that thing landed on a rocket motor, and never dislodged one piece of dust. Incredible! Yep: they went to the moon. Just as guys in a cave orchestrated 9/11. This was the beginning of the `Oh my god! They actually BOUGHT it!` times. Yep, if we can get away with this, the sky`s the limit. Look up Operation Northwoods, if you`re interested about planes and buildings. Let`s just say that they had the `technology` in the early 60`s, to do.....things.
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Male 12,365
I was about to link to the photon return counts from an observatory using the reflector arrays left by Apollo missions, which very clearly show the very large difference between the reflector arrays and the lunar surface (they use a very powerful, very narrowly focussed laser, so they can detect reflections off the natural lunar surface).


Then I realised that anyone who believes that every piece of evidence must be fake would, obviously, believe that evidence is fake too.

"Every piece of evidence is fake if it supports something I don`t believe in" is a non-falsifiable position.
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Male 12,365
Oh, and I`m still waiting for any of the faithful to answer my simple question:

Why?

Why do you think the USA went to the major expense and enormous political risk of faking something when they could have done it for real, cheaper and with far less risk?

Hell, I`m even giving you a free pass on the assumption that they *could* have faked it. I`m not convinced that it would have been possible for them to fake it even if they wanted to.

Also, do you believe that all the manned moon missions were fake or just the first one? Did you even know that there were others? Sounds like a dumb question, but many believers are so utterly ignorant that they think there was only one manned moon landing (that they think was faked anyway).

The belief that Elvis faked his death and is working with the aliens in Area 51 (having had alien medical treatment to greatly extend is life) is less silly, because at least it isn`t possible to prove that false.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Angillion, they fire 10 to the power of 17 (100 million billion) photons at that `mirror`. Only a handful come back suggesting that the mirror is dusty and only has an albedo of .8 as of 2012. The moon has an albedo of .8 - .12 depending on it`s phase.

Imagine that...[/quote]

Even if your quoted figures are true (and I`m not accepting them as such, given how much disinformation is spread about the subject), they would still actually be evidence of the existence of the reflector array. It`s not only about what %age of light is reflected. It`s also, very importantly, about the direction it`s reflected in. With such distances, poor reflectivity and the Earth`s atmosphere twice, you will *not* get the same results from a reflector array made specifically to reflect straight back and an equally reflective natural ground surface that isn`t.
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Male 36,542
@Angilion: You`ve done a fine job of mentally smacking around the "Lunatics"!

Hats off!
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Male 12,365
[quote]call it what you may however only what, 50 or so people (maybe even less) have been to outer space/the moon so it`s definitely possible that everything could be faked.[/quote]

You`re wrong by an entire order of magnitude and you`re wrong in your underlying assumption that only people who`ve been to outer space can know if anyone has been to outer space. Things can and are be tracked from Earth.

[quote]lots of elements could have prevented neil armstrong from even landing on the moon.[/quote]

Like what? The only vaguely plausible reason conspiracy nutters have is that aliens forbade it and used their vastly superior technology to fool the numerous people who were checking everything at the time. Cold war, you know? The USSR was watching very closely.

[quote]we will never know.[/quote]

You won`t, because you chose not to. You have no evidence and no reason, but you make that choice anyway.
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Male 36,542
The "Moon Landing Conspiracy" Is promoted by CoInTelPro to discredit ALL who question the US Government... just FYI.
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Male 187
I realise you were joking but it`s a surprisingly common thread of reasoning
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Male 187
So all these people who knew about the impending demolition stay in there? Or are they subsequently assassinated? Again that involves almost as many people being involved in a further crime, not to mention the police who would be told not to investigate these murders, families who question why they`ve gone. Do the families get bumped off as well in case someone told their wife who might spill the beans if their husband is murdered? Again, that explanation is more ludicrous than the accepted truth.
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Male 1,625
@fuzzysheep:

as far as 9/11 goes, see the opening scene of the dark knight, if you killed all these people off, there is nobody to talk...}-)
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Male 187
and that`s just the first moon landing I`m talking about. The number of people who would know about this by now would be in the 10,000s. All obediently keeping schtum.

The same is true of the controlled demolition theory for 9/11 (I know it`s a different conspiracy but it`s kinda relevant). Have you seen how long it takes to rig a building for controlled explosion, how many explosives they use, for 9/11 to have been a controlled explosion then somehow they smuggled thousands of pounds of explosives into a working office block, this would mean at least paying off security guards, office workers etc. including organising the high jackings it would mean a minimum of 300 people being complicit and none of them have said anything.

If you`re going to reject the accepted version of events you have to consider whether or not your alternative explanation makes any sense. In most cases they just don`t.
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Male 187
The basic problem with the moon landing conspiracies, apart from the overwhelming amount of evidence, is the same as with most conspiracy theories. They hinge upon the government being so organised and water tight that no-one remotely credible has found any concrete evidence to prove them.

If the moon landing`s were faked it would have taken at least 40 people to do the shooting, more to make the props, not to mention the thousands of people who built the rocket and the scientists who designed the "fake" lander. All in all at least 5000 people would have to be in on it and not one of them has come out and said anything? Come on, open your eyes.
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Male 14,330
@pigsnout

As of April 5, 2010 total of 517 humans from 38 countries have gone into space 12 have walked on the moon.List of their names.
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Female 1,478
freddy, my ex worked with NASA a while back. You might know him as Dr. Jones, though he`s not a doctor.
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Male 11,740
I know the truth but I could never tell. Oh the joys of top secret government clearance.
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Male 15,832
Let him tell that to this guy.
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Male 766
those flashes were thin antennas reflecting sunlight, wires would remain at 90` to the ground but the so called wires tilted with the rest of the backpack . . . why are people so gullible?
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Male 7,353
@Zed68,

I used to enjoy saying, "Just how stupid can these idiots get", until I realized I was just setting them a goal.
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Male 1,625
[quote]BTW would NASA even let mythbusters in the door to do ANY tests if they thought the outcome would be any different? That suggests to me a bias in the results. [/quote]

they had nothing to hide, so why wouldn`t they let them conduct tests?

like I said before, and has been reiterated a few times, only TWO of the 5 moon tests were done at NASA, and only 1 really needed to be done there, but they wanted that awe factor.

most conspiracy theorist believe in aliens, so I have to ask, do aliens exist (as even Buzz Aldrin has claimed to have seen santa claus) or was the moon landing fake, pick carefully
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Female 546
call it what you may however only what, 50 or so people (maybe even less) have been to outer space/the moon so it`s definitely possible that everything could be faked. lots of elements could have prevented neil armstrong from even landing on the moon. we will never know.
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Male 508
Angillion, they fire 10 to the power of 17 (100 million billion) photons at that `mirror`. Only a handful come back suggesting that the mirror is dusty and only has an albedo of .8 as of 2012. The moon has an albedo of .8 - .12 depending on it`s phase.

Imagine that...

I don`t believe the waving flag, or the shadows, or the strings etc etc. as evidence, but when someone throws an "in your face" piece of evidence, I have to question it, and the mirror doesn`t hold water for me.

BTW would NASA even let mythbusters in the door to do ANY tests if they thought the outcome would be any different? That suggests to me a bias in the results.

Just saying, an idiot asks the wrong questions, but a bigger idiot doesn`t ask any questions at all, and believers just don`t ask questions.

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Male 12,365
[quote]If only we had some pictures of the landing site to show that the vehicles and footprints still remain...[a picture of exactly that, taken recently by the LRO] [/quote]

That would make sense...but it`s no use when arguing against people who believe nonsense.

Anyone who believes that all the video and photographs of the moon landings are fake will of course believe that any photos of the tracks and discarded equipment from those landings are also fake. It`s a matter of faith.
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Male 12,365
After why, there`s how.

"movie special effects" is the easy answer, but if you learn about the subject you learn that it`s a wrong answer. Sure, they could fake the video today with CGI, but not in 1969. I suppose it would have been possible on paper to have a photorealistic artist draw the unfakable parts of the videos frame by frame, but that`s not very plausible.
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Male 12,365
I realise that the "moon landing is fake" position is entirely one of faith with total disregard for evidence or rationality, so I realise that arguing against it is almost always pointless, but I do it in case there are some people who have been indoctrinated into believing it and who are totally ignorant of anything and everything to do with the subject (anyone who isn`t that ignorant can`t believe the landings were fake).

So, here`s an open question:

Why?


It`s proven that the USA had developed and built everything necessary for a moon landing by the time of the first one - they showed it off! It wasn`t a secret.

It`s proven that a lunar mission occured - independent tracking of the ship and of the video source location and reflector array.

So why would they have faked the landings? The astronauts forgot to get onboard and nobody noticed? The aliens told them to do it? Why?
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Male 1,488
@antagonizer...
@Cajun247 It`s not my intention to change your mind, just suggest there are loopholes in both arguments

Uh...no...if you check the link I posted originally, there are no loop holes and all of them are clearly closed by Mr. Scotti.

And as previously stated, only the "Flag Wave" and "Foot Imprint" were done in a vacuum chamber at NASA, all other experiments done by the Mythbusters were performed at M5.

Here is that link again...go there and READ. If you have questions, email the man himself...he will actually reply and provide you with any and all factual information you need to inform yourself with the truth.

Moon Landing Not Fake
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Male 12,365
Next up, a conspiracy fool who isn`t stupid will prattle about a low albedo "proving" that it`s impossible for an object to cast multiple shadows on the moon. Aha, can`t have it both ways - either the surface wouldn`t reflect enough to cause multiple shadows or it would reflect enough to make the laser readings possible without an artificial reflector!

That`s not a mind-numbing drating ignorant and stupid as almost all of the moon landing conspiracy nutjobbery is, but it`s still completely wrong. Multiple shadows can exist on the moon not because it`s highly reflective but because it`s VERY brightly, harshly lit. No atmosphere, so no diffusion of sunshine. Even noon on midsummer`s day with a clear sky right on the equator on Earth is nowhere near as brightly and harshly lit as the surface of the moon on any day.

Also, the surface of the moon is most very directional in its reflection, which lends itself well to multiple shadows.
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Male 12,365
[quote]The moon itself is reflective. It`s called albedo, look it up. You really don`t even need a mirror to bounce back a laser.

[..]

Again MOON IS REFLECTIVE...ALBEDO. look it up.[/quote]

You`re very silly if you believe that the moon landings (did you even know that there were more than one) were fake, but you`re especially silly if you believe it and encourage people to look things up for themselves. Anyone who learns anything about the subject will learn that you are talking utter rubbish.

The albedo of the moon is very low, about on a par with tarmac. It reflects light, but not very well. In addition, the surface of the moon is not perfectly smooth (obviously) and it reflects light in a diffuse way. It`s technically possible to shine a laser through Earth`s atmosphere, to the moon, off the moon`s natural surface, back to Earth, back through the Earth`s atmosphere and still be detectable, but it would require a laser vastly more powerful tha
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Male 10,845
In case everyone else doesn`t see it the image I posted is supposed to be a perception v reality meme with everyone who isn`t a conspiracy theorist saying that those who are are beating a dead horse.
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Male 7,353
Justin9235-"Ummm... I`m all out"

The Check IS in the mail!

antagonizer-"The moon itself is reflective. It`s called albedo, look it up. You really don`t even need a mirror to bounce back a laser."

That`s it! There actually IS someone THAT stupid!!

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Male 1,625
@antagonizer

mythbusters covered the laser part too, and it wasn`t done by them, but by a scientist.

and yes, mythbusters IS science @Buiadh. it contains all the elements of the scientific method: hypothesis, test, observe, record
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Male 508
@Cajun247 It`s not my intention to change your mind, just suggest there are loopholes in both arguments and that anyone who believes either side with 100% certainty is completely nuts.

There`s truth in the possibility, however there`s reasonable cause to doubt it which puts me on the fence. I wish it were true, but I have to concede there is motive, means and opportunity to fake it.
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Male 10,845
[quote]and they call the non-believers nuts[/quote]

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Male 36,542
Hooray! I Found Absolute PROOF!
That the landings are fake!
Incontrovertable!
(you have to scroll down, ads at the top eh?)
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Male 1,558
So drating lame
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Male 14,330
@Buiadh
[quote]HOLY drat GUYS MYTHBUSTERS IS NOT SCIENCE![/quote]

So where`s your scientific evidence saying it was faked? If it was faked don`t you think the USSR would`ve been all over it?
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Male 10,845
[quote]Interesting how the `believers` resort to name calling, belittling even threatening[/quote]

Your side lost the argument already, so your point is moot.
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Male 3,445
Thx Jendrian.
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Male 519
I had thought that this conspiracy was settled, what with the overwhelming amounts of tangible, indisputable proof that exists. But I guess its true, stupid never really dies.
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Male 36,542
@Justin9235:
Elvis is still alive!
Jim Morrison and Hitler too.
Chemtrails
Flouride
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Male 48
@antagonizer. Those images were released in 2011 from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter
Link
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Male 323
The moon itself is clearly fake
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Male 10,845
[quote]The mythbusters lose credibility because half of their experiments were done in NASA`s lab with NASA equipment. Predetermined outcome.[/quote]

Premise does not support conclusion.

[quote]The moon itself is reflective. It`s called albedo, look it up. You really don`t even need a mirror to bounce back a laser.[/quote]

The latter is needed to retain sufficient intensity as the surface, irregular as it is, diffuses light hitting it.

[quote]Suits can actually be worn in our gravity, however it isn`t difficult to remove heavy components inside to lighten them up.[/quote]

Irrelevant.
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Male 37,910
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Male 6,737
HOLY drat GUYS MYTHBUSTERS IS NOT SCIENCE!
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Male 661
"As well is the Jewpacabra"

Don`t know if the misspelling was intentional, but it made me giggle.

Isn`t this why our countries are so great, you are free to ignore fact, proof, evidence and think whatever you desire. I happen to believe that the moon is made of green cheese, and all those craters are made by rat-women from Venus eating the cheese.
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Male 508
@jamie76 The mythbusters lose credibility because half of their experiments were done in NASA`s lab with NASA equipment. Predetermined outcome.

The moon itself is reflective. It`s called albedo, look it up. You really don`t even need a mirror to bounce back a laser.

Suits can actually be worn in our gravity, however it isn`t difficult to remove heavy components inside to lighten them up.

NASA itself called 2001 visually realistic.

Again MOON IS REFLECTIVE...ALBEDO. look it up.
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Male 37,910
[quote]"I can`t tell if Gerry1of1 is being serious or just trolling everybody. Bravo sir, your trolling prowess is something to be admired." [/quote]
I never said "I" believed it was fake. I just asked the question...and stayed silent while posting funny pics. I`m not stupid! well, not about that anyway.

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Male 1,582
Moon landing was fake
9/11 was an inside job
Obama`s birth certificate isn`t real
Big foot is real
As well is the Jewpacabra
Gay people are just faking it
The holocaust didn`t happen
Crop circles are created by aliens
The government is also hiding aliens from us
Ummm... I`m all out
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Male 2,345
the myhtbusters put a end to this debate.

also, there are reflectors on the moon that you can bounce a laser off of and see the sending and return data.

how did the relfectors get there if no one was there?

and the suits, well just try to move on earth with them on...wont happen.

also has anyone seen a seen a sci-fi movie from the 60s? cleary they did not have very good special effects...


and again, REFLECTORS ON MON = WE WERE THERE.

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Male 1,011
i feel sorry for anyone who thinks the moon landings were faked.
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Male 4,298
Ah, yes, thank you @Baelzar. The 9/11 Truther`s are retarded also.
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Male 2,516
You`re welcomed FoolsPrussia:
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Male 759
I find the reasoning behind the whole conspiracy theory the most fascinating part of it to be honest.
The theorists seem to think that a presidents promise is gospel and therefore something to plan and execute an elaborate hoax around.

Reminds me of this;

www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw
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Male 1,237
LOL "here`s an extract from one of our productions"

Oh...You mean you`re showing us the worst thing that anyone has ever made to prove how easy it was to fake the moon landing years previously?
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Male 1,399
And 9/11 was an inside job. Seriously!

WATCH THE PANCAKING! PANCAKING!
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Male 4,298
Anyone who believes this is retarded. There were professional and amateur telescopes following the flight to and back. The only other people more retarded are the Birther`s who think Obama`s birth certificate is fake.
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Male 120
I think I saw big foot in the footage...
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Male 3,445
Quick, someone post the Ancient Aliens dude.
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Male 2,371
Yes, someone actually threatened to take you to the moon and leave you there. Guess you`ll believe anything.
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Male 1,625
[quote]which would likely kill them
likely[/quote]

its a most definitely
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Male 508
Interesting how the `believers` resort to name calling, belittling even threatening to "leave them there" (meaning non-believers on the moon) which would likely kill them...and they call the non-believers nuts.
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Male 1,832
My face hurts from facepalming so hard.
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Male 3,909
Thanks, I needed a good laugh!
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Male 1,625
@Musuko42:

can we leave them up there?
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Male 809
No it doesn`t, morons.
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Male 2,850
We could build a whole new rocket, put all the conspiracy theorists into it, fly them to the moon, land them right next to one of the landers and show them the lander, the footprints, the flag, everything, with their own two eyes...

...and they would still claim it was fake.

We need to give up on this. The more proof we show them, the more proof they demand.
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Male 7,353
Alright Gerry, you FINALLY found one that convinced me!!!




HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO GULLIBLE!?!?!?!?!?
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Male 163
This is more absurd than ancient alien theories. At least with those, the only evidence you are working with is ancient drawings/stories/etc. and can be open to interpretation and unconventional conclusions can be drawn. But the moon landings have a lot of evidence to work with. And most, if not all of the arguments made by people who believe the moon landings were fake, have been reasonable and rational explanations.

It seems like the conspiracy theorists are the people who are being close-minded on this particular subject.
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Male 7,353
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Male 546
I can`t tell if Gerry1of1 is being serious or just trolling everybody. Bravo sir, your trolling prowess is something to be admired.
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Male 1,625
[quote]In a NASA lab[/quote]

the only part that used the NASA lab was the kiddy trio so they could use actual moon dust. do you honestly think NASA would let such a priceless commodity out of their sight? lets put it this way, you have 5 of the ONLY pieces of unobtainium (yes, Avatar reference), and someone wants to use one to prove something. do you let them prove it, in your house (assuming you will provide the equipment), or let them take it?

also, Adam and Jamie weren`t in the NASA lab, they did everything at M5 (their special effects studio), an air force hangar bay, and a jet company in florida (see my previous link for the latter 2).

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Male 37,910

MeGrendel - I can`t force you to see what`s right in front of you.
If you choose to wear blinders, so be it.


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Male 7,353
Gerry10f1-" "

Look: A faked picture of a real event in a sad attempt at making a real even look fake.

(you realize your shadows don`t line up, right?)
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Male 14,330


Really guys at the height of the cold war and space race you don`t think the USSR checked every possible angle to see if it was fake?? You can see the landing site still with insanley powerful telescopes the kind astronomers use.
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Male 508
@Rumbrave You run into the problem of when they were made, 1969 or 2009. An obscure pic from orbit is not the same as a pic of a lander on the surface of the moon.
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Male 48
If only we had some pictures of the landing site to show that the vehicles and footprints still remain...


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Male 508
@kalron27 "As previously stated...Mythbusters did prove this wrong."

In a NASA lab...Do you honestly think NASA would have let them do the show there if there wasn`t already a per-determined outcome for the show? No proof at all.

I`m still 50-50 on the whole thing, but a lie, even a noble lie is wrong so if it is fake we should know about it.
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Male 546
@Buiadh
That`s because most of the theories that the moon landing have "stacked against them" have been thoroughly debunked. Look at darkmagic14n and kalron`s links. The delusional conspiracy kooks have been spouting the same bullpoo "theories" for the past forty years hoping that, like fellow delusional asshat Goebbels said, if they repeat a lie enough times that it will become the truth.

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Male 2,371
What is this nonsense?
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Male 3,364
Well, I suppose if you wanted help faking the moon landing, Kubrick would be your man!
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Male 7,123
Mitchell and Webb moonlanding. YouTube.
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Male 1,488
Look...you made me log in for once...

As previously stated...Mythbusters did prove this wrong.

If you want more science, this guy will be happy to show you that we did go to the moon:

http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/">Moon Landing Not Fake

I actually contacted this guy because a friend would not believe it. His site disproves all of the "FAKE" facts...with science! Needless to say my friend is now a believer:

...and ask the families of those who lost their lives trying to accomplish this amazing feat of human achievement. Why would you want to disprove this anyway...it is what Sci-Fi dreams are made of!
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Male 6,737
I always keep an open mind on conspiracy theories and laugh at most of them. The moon landings has a hell of a lot of things stacked against them.

I think most American`s don`t want to even *consider* that they couldn`t have happened though.

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Male 815
I like how he says, "and yes, we`ve done the necessary work to establish that percentage," and then it cuts off ha
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Male 3,285
But.... thunderbirds was real....
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Male 7,123
Seems legit.
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Male 7,353
Gerry1of1-" Look at the wires, people!"

Wires? I see no wires. I see lens flares.

Pings = Lense flares.

"Let me give you a hand" portion totally ignores that he is getting up using three points of contact. Two feet, and left hand holding the hand of the standing astronaut.

Speed of jump: So, speeding up the speed of an arc in lower gravity makes it appear like it`s falling faster? (He DOES realize that acceleration of a falling object on the moon is less that that of the same object on the Earth, right? 5.3` per second /per second as opposed to 32` per second / per second. If you speed up the former, it appears closer to the latter.)

This guys an idiot.
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Male 1,625
mythbusters already did this
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Male 3,578
funny how NASA film footage is "Lost"
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Male 677
Stupid.
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Male 37,910
Link: Moon Landing Footage Shows Suspension Wires [Rate Link] - Did Nixon get Stanley Kubric to fake the landings? Look at the wires, people!
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