Look Who`s Finally Taken A Stance On Gay Marriage

Submitted by: fancylad 5 years ago in

He"s been in politics since what--1997? Only took 15 years to make a decision--not bad.
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Male 181
Is so fun to watch politics in action, No matter which side posts what, the other ALWAYS steps in with "Actually you`re wrong" then the best part "No you are" "No you are", and it`s all pointless because it ends with two extreme left`s and right`s trying to assert political dominance on a freakin website.
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Male 5,021
@richanddead realignment is explained really well at Conservapedia. Go a little over half way down the Republican page to Realignment: The South becomes Republican.
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Male 4,099
The flip happened for due to other sociological and economic reasons. The south was far more religiously oriented, aswell as laissez-faire capitalist. When FDR came to office he used a new form of capitalism known as Keynesian economics, in which the government intervened in the economy to stimulate areas of growth but generates large amounts of inflation and doesn`t focus on a true "equilibrium price". FDR was critizized for being too socialist and focusing on class warfare (sound familiar). Sociallism was seen as closly tied to communism, and communism was closely tied to athiesm. For these reasons many southerners switched parties, to preseve their local economies and mores.
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Male 4,099
You are correct in that the South was heavily democratic and then changed to mainly republican.
But this was more for economic reasons rather than idological reasons. The Civil War was fought in order to determine the ratio of power between the federal government and state government rather then slavery. Slavery was the stimulating event because the majority of American agricultural income was based on slave labor although slavery was widely concidered imoral. This question would determine whether America would have an industrial based economy or a agricultural based economy. The south feeling, that because they were free individuals they had no obligation to adhere to a central government due to it`s inherent inflexibility of representation.
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Male 4,099
@markust123, @madest, @LillianDulci-

I believe you guys are incorrect about republicans turning into democrates and vise-versa.
The Democratic Party, claims a position on the left of the political theory continum, has been labeled `liberal.` It is a popular verbiage from Locke and Rousseau. The name is derived from the Latin, liber, which means free. It is a party believeing in a more direct form of democrocracy, in which every person has a more individual say in their representation.

The Republican party actually had its roots in opposition to slavery. In 1854, former members of the Free Soil Party, the Whig Party, the American Party, and some Democrats came together in opposition to the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which would have allowed these territories to enter the Union as slave states. Party founders adopted the name Republican, to indicate that it was the carrier of republican beliefs about civic virtues, and a more representive based voting representation.
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Male 40,756
LA Times Op-Ed Today!
"Too Brainy To Be President?"
Is Obama too smart for the American public to understand?

I could not make this up, no one would ever believe it.
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Male 40,756
[quote] Look at his academic career and you know it.[/quote]
Good idea @Gerry1! I`ll just check Obamas grades and SATs and... oh wait, they`re SECRET! lolz!

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Male 5,021
"Obama just reads the teleprompters, his handlers do the thinking for him."

Love the Karl Rove technique of attacking the Presidents strengths. The more you try to pretend that Obama is not intelligent the less intelligent you look.
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Male 40,756
ONE DAY LATER A full-out attack ad by the Obama campaign!
Who thinks this was a "spontanious" decision? LOLZ! Obama just reads the teleprompters, his handlers do the thinking for him.
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Male 7,378
@CJ, You mean back in the day when republicans were democrat? Yeah I know.
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Male 5,021
@Yeahhhhhhhhh. Obama supporting gay marriage was a huge deal in the gay community. The fact that you were sh*tting on my parade shows what a small petty person you are. Can`t you be happy for people?
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Male 5,021
"I really don`t think it`s fair to compare Republicans and Democrats of today with previous incarnations. The parties shifted in ideology, and to deny that is lunacy."

Of course CrakrJak knows that. And he knows all of the South was Democrats (All of the South) for 100 years up until Civil rights. He just uses this to distract and push buttons. Don`t feed the trolls.
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Female 2,674
CJ, surely you realize that the Republican party used to be the liberal/progressive party and the Democratic party used to be the conservative party. Democrats were mostly in the southern states and wanted to keep slaves and such. Republicans (conservatives) nowadays identify more with the southern states pre-civil war (even if not agreeing with slavery) because of the conservative views. The party names are irrelevant when you look at the popular ideologies of the groups and realize that today`s Republicans would have been Democrats in the past.

This link has a timeline explaining it. Essentially Democrats weren`t considered liberal until around FDR.
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Male 3,445
I really don`t think it`s fair to compare Republicans and Democrats of today with previous incarnations. The parties shifted in ideology, and to deny that is lunacy.
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Male 3,445
wake_n_bake: I know that about the emancipation proclamation. I was just pointing out that you can take the cynical view that Obama`s decision was purely political (highly possible), but it still doesn`t change the fact that it`s a landmark moment. Just as the emancipation proclamation was a major step forward, even though its reasoning might not have been truly moral.
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Male 17,511
madest: Republicans were the first to oppose slavery, the first to emancipate slaves, the first to allow blacks to vote or hold office, the first create national parks, the first to integrate blacks in the military, the first to get a Nobel peace prize, the first Jewess in congress, the first to order troops to protect black students, the first to appoint a black man to an executive position on the White House staff, the first Asian Senator, the first Jewish U.S. Secretary of State, the first (and only) party to strongly back the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the first Hispanic to serve as a U.S. Cabinet Member, the first woman and the first Hispanic to become a Surgeon General, the first Asian Cabinet minister, the first Black Secretary of State, the first Hispanic American Attorney General and the first Black female Secretary of State.

Just to name a few `Firsts`.
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Male 7,378
[quote]Like I said his making this statement did nothing to swing public attitude, all it did was win him some votes and not make him look like a dick because his VP came out in favor or gay marriage![/quote] ---------------
First of all you don`t know if his support on this issue swayed anybodies opinion. He only came out in support gay marriage yesterday. Let the news sink in I think you see that polls will indeed swing towards acceptance with this approval. This is a huge deal for the gay community. Ending DADT and now support for gay marriage means we have a president who doesn`t look down on a segment of the population. Obama`s position on this issue mirrors that of the nation. This should have happened years ago but we are slower to accept change than many 3rd world countries and for that we should be ashamed.
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Male 3,210
People whine about this guy no matter what he does. If after taking a leak, Obama shook it three times, people would proclaim his incompetence and inexperience for not shaking it a fourth time. If he did shake it four times, people would carry on about his excessive shaking, and how it`s bringing the Nation to it`s knees(Pun intended).
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Male 105
@Markus, just because Obama made this statement, shockwaves are being felt across the nation. You know the 30 states that banned gay marriage? After this they were like "ohh poo, Obama supports it, I guess we all should too."

Like I said his making this statement did nothing to swing public attitude, all it did was win him some votes and not make him look like a dick because his VP came out in favor or gay marriage!

So go out and celebrate Markus, because this one statement will end the hate of gay people for all time, nobody will be bigoted against you, take away your rights, or kill you for being homosexual anymore. No Obama is like the gay messiah, he speaks one word and EVERYBODY the world over suddenly changes and starts giving a poo about your rights!

That last part was a rant, but seriously your attitude through this whole thing is childish at best.
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Male 39,927

5Cats, [quote]"Without the teleprompter he can barely form a coherent sentence." [/quote]
You`re confusing Obama with Bush. Easy mistake, they look so much alike.
Obama may be a lot of things but stupid isn`t one of them. Look at his academic career and you know it.

Whether he is good or bad, right or wrong, moral or imoral I shall leave up to your judgement. But stupid he`s not.
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Male 7,378
Republicans should think of doing something groundbreaking someday. They`re never first in anything and if they come up with an idea that the dems think is worthy, they do what comes naturally and hate their own idea. They are a vapid bunch, full of excuses on a path to nowhere.
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Male 17,511
This might`ve been `ground breaking` if Obama had a mind of his own. Obama just sticks his finger into air and goes in the direction of the wind.

This wasn`t brave, it was contrived. Biden`s remarks were the `trial balloon` for Obama, he didn`t risk anything.
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Male 546
Politicians.... I`m for whatever I think will give me the best chance of getting elected!

.....before you flip the heck out BO worshipers...I said Politicians.

Ever notice how most outrage by one side is met with the argument of.... "You did it first" or "You do it worse"?
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Male 10,338
"This will mark the 4th election in a row where gay people are used as pawns in the culture war."

...and Obama`s the one doing it this time!
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Male 5,021
I had a good laugh reading your top two posts 5Cats. I was going to say that you should write fiction but you would need to be able to make it believable. Not really your specialty. Have a good night Obama haters. Looks like you are having fun while the gays are off celebrating.
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Male 40,756
Some IAB readers may disagree with that last paragraph... LOLZ!

The MSM used to accuse Reagan of being "just an actor reading his script" but at least he wrote his own speeches! (with help of course, every US president has had speechwriters since... idk! A long time now!)

Obama? Without the teleprompter he can barely form a coherent sentence...
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Male 40,756
Thanks @wake_N_bake! I`ve noticed that you sometimes disagree with me, but I`ve agreed with most of your posts, your avatar makes it easy to remember them!

Double, even triple posting is OK at IAB! Sometimes we just have a lot to say! Heck, I just did a "wall of text" in another thread...

Deleting the TMI part of this... (lolz!)

Back to Obama: He was for gay marriage in 2006, promised the GLBT community he`d make LOTS of changes to give them more rights in 2008. BUT then Groups Like This started leaning on him, and the rest of the Democrats, causing a lot of backtracking, as @illios mentioned.

Is it a "flip flop"? idk, but since Obama has NO morals or opinions of his own it doesn`t really matter. He reads what`s on the teleprompter and that`s the extent of his role as PotUS.
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Male 181
@wake_n_bake - I could be miss informed but back in 2008 he was quoted saying "marriage is between a man and a woman" in a few interviews, but changed his mind soon after.
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Male 663
And thanks for the link 5cats. As much as I might disagree with you politically, I still get a kick out of reading your links and posts.
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Male 663
Not to double post, but hasn`t this been his position all along? I remember him being "personally" in support of gay marriage back when he was running in 2008. Correct me if I`m wrong.

I just don`t see why people are getting their panties in a wad. It`s an election year. He`s a politician. Everyone does it, and to be surprised or upset is honestly kind of stupid.
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Male 40,756
@wake_N_bake: Few people know that actually. Lots of people believe Lincoln freed the slaves THEN the Civil War broke out! lolz!

Emancipation Proclamation

American Civil War

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Male 663
And holy crap, first time cruising this site for 6 years that I`ve seen fancy get crunk O_O
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Male 181
Sorry, have to agree with Fancy...and myself, if Obama really cared this would be old news and would have been brought out while he was running years ago, the fact that he does it just before elections is a pretty lame move, he`s only in this for the votes...Sorry but I don`t see what`s to be so proud about, if he was so proud of his own thoughts why did it take three years to say anything about it? Everyone`s just a number here, as always.
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Male 663
Just throwing this out there, but you guys do know that the Emancipation Proclamation ONLY freed slaves in the south right? The ones in the north were still slaves.

It`s totally irrelevant but I`ve seen the topic come up a lot in this thread.
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Male 40,756
[quote]I wish the Obama haters could give it a rest for one day.[/quote]
We can`t help it @markust! 8 years of liberals and the MSM (but I repeat myself) bashing Bush has trained us!

For Example:
Bush laid out the timetable for troop withdrawl from Iraq, which Obama followed btw.
MSM Headline: Bush not withdrawing troops until February! Not joking.
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Male 7,378
What`s the repercusions for Romney? He reaffirmed his commitment against same sex marriage and civil unions just hours after Obama announced his stance. This will mark the 4th election in a row where gay people are used as pawns in the culture war.
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Male 628
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

couldn`t resist
my only remark on this is:

Has anyone noticed how Obama is like a black(ish) version Tony Blair? He`s even got the ears.
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Male 5,021
I`m signing off. I need to get away from you party poopers. There is a celebratory drink calling me from downstairs. Go equality! I love you Obama.
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Male 5,021
"I think there was even a press release about it this morning before official word came out."

I`ll give you that there was speculation this morning.
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Male 5,021
Seriously if there had been any whiff of Obama planning on making this statement it would have been in the blog I read. This came out of the blue.
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Male 5,021
"Today`s announcement had been speculated on for the past month. I think there was even a press release about it this morning before official word came out."

I read a gay news blog about 5 days a week. I can assure you this came out of the blue.
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Male 5,021
"You know what would be hilarious? If Romney came out and said that he too supports gay marriage, making it a non-issue."

As a gay man I would support that 100%. I would love to see Republicans and the religious right quite using fear mongering against gay people to win elections.
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Male 20,915
markust123: This came completely out of the blue for me. I thought he wouldn`t make the statement until after the election.

Today`s announcement had been speculated on for the past month. I think there was even a press release about it this morning before official word came out.
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Male 5,021
"It`s a pussy move to say it now"

I think it`s a brave move. I`m proud of our president. This came completely out of the blue for me. I thought he wouldn`t make the statement until after the election. The sad thing is being pro-equality can still lose you an election in the US.
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Male 20,915
DuckBoy87: I`m sure he people are kicking that idea around as you read this.
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Male 3,646
You know what would be hilarious?
If Romney came out and said that he too supports gay marriage, making it a none-issue, thus losing any support that Obama has gained with this shifty move.
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Male 20,915
People have bitched about the Obama pic used in this (and other Obama news stories, if you`ve been paying attention). It`s used for 2 reasons--1) link production is a pain in the ass when you`re doing 50 a day--1 stock image of a subject that you`re using at least once a day saves times. 2) I love this look he gives in this pic--it seems to sum up most Obama items--a MEH attitude. He always seems to be on cruise control.

While we`re on the subject, my header wasn`t trolly--it`s just that Barack comes off like an opportunist today. He could`ve made this announcement when nothing was going on, but all of a sudden it`s election year and Mr. Chatty makes an obvious statement about gay marriage that every f**ker that voted for him has been pleading for.

F**k that waffling. Show conviction and apologize for not stating this sooner. It`s a pussy move to say it now--especially since you know he and his team have been plotting his stance for months in dozens of focus groups.
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Male 63
make a decision that you agree with*

I hate having to correct people.
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Male 376
Saying a politician does something for political reasons isn`t hating. Every politician`s main priority is to get elected. If it wasn`t they wouldn`t be in a position to get anything done.

Like Angilion said, that main thing to focus on is that Obama sees coming out in favor of gay marriage as a strength, and the man`s definitely got his finger on the pulse of America.
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Male 20,915
DrProfessor, DasUberPoop, mackin, DasUberPoop, Fancysucksss: Funny how he makes a big old announcement about his stance as the reelection races is heating up, huh. Where was Mr. Gay Marriage three years ago?

Thank you for posting what the rest of us are thinking, Mogulman.
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Male 5,021
"About Romney, Rep donors are different from the Rep base, as can be seen from what happened in NY a while back. Marriage Equality passed there with Rep help because the pro gay donors had the legislator`s backs. The base may rally around Romney (somewhat, remember he is Mormon after all) but the backers won`t be psyched about him."

Actually most of the money came from the liberal gay community. I saw it happen on the gay news blog I read. We stepped across the aisle and gave money as thanks. The NY bill absolutely would not have passed without the couple of Republicans that bucked their party. I was really proud of those Republicans.
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Female 2,228
About Romney, Rep donors are different from the Rep base, as can be seen from what happened in NY a while back. Marriage Equality passed there with Rep help because the pro gay donors had the legislator`s backs. The base may rally around Romney (somewhat, remember he is Mormon after all) but the backers won`t be psyched about him.
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Male 5,021
"When did Bush do any good?"

This made me laugh. Way to ruin my point.
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Male 181
@markust123 - Just wait till an argument shows up around here, the hater`s come out of the wood work left and right, But yeah, the Internet has a way of escalating peoples views, I guess they feel safer behind a screen.
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Male 181
@madest - Would it matter if anyone listed anything? You`d just disagree automatically anyway.
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Male 7,378
When did Bush do any good?
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Male 5,021
"Welcome to politics, Happens to every president reguadless of what they do, or what they say, so obama "haters" are really no different then bush haters and so on. So I`d say like wise to both sides, but I know that wont ever happen, so get used to it."

I was insanely into partisan politics from about the last two years of Bush`s term up to Nov 6th 2010. I wasn`t a big fan of Bush but I still gave him props when he did good. It just seams different with Obama. But it could just be the evolution of Internet Politics.
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Male 181
@eddy666 Very true, but there are far too many sheep to ever change that, this is really the way the US is always going to be, And no matter who wins, be it Dem`s or Rep`s The opposing side is always going to "Sh*t all over" who ever it is and everyone who supports them.
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Male 7,378
What`s the repercusions for Romney? He reaffirmed his commitment against same sex marriage and civil unions just hours after Obama announced his stance. This will mark the 4th election in a row where gay people are used as pawns in the culture war.
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Female 2,228
And your "inevitable" comments are poor excuses for stealing his thunder.
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Female 2,228
edward your understanding of Hate Crimes law is paltry and inadequate. The Laws convict for Hate and bias motivated crimes, against *anyone*. And if you think we shouldn`t take motivation into the consideration of a crime, then *you* have to make the case for eliminating the differences between Manslaughter and Murder III, because without motivation the two are essentially the same crime.
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Male 105
@Prussia.
The only thing Obama has accomplished with this is opening the grounds for another president to support gay marriage if that even happens in the long run. This by no means changed public opinon as marcus has plainly pointed out with his poll. All this is doing is gaining him votes.

The Emancipation Proclamation freed Africans from slavery which was awesome we can all agree on that, but it crippled the South at the time. Freeing the slaves was the lesser of two evils in Lincoln`s mind. While Obama is doing great things for the gay community he hasn`t had to make any really tough groundbreaking decisions like this one.

Also I support Obama, I think I stated that already, I just do not support the way he is doing this.
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Male 523
I`m a Bush AND Obama hater. I actually have reasons for hating them too.

"Welcome to politics, Happens to every president reguadless of what they do, or what they say"
Maybe this wouldn`t be the case if we didn`t feed the democratic and republican parties.
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Male 523
vitable.

All in all, he hasn`t really done a lot that another democratic president wouldn`t have done, especially after 8 years under a conservative government.
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Male 523
@QueenZira
@markust123
"*Repealed DADT "
Was inevitable and probably would have been done by any other democratic president.

"*Signed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act into law "
This isn`t a good thing for anyone. Hate crimes only further prejudice as they allow the legal system to use discrimination. I would think you people would realize this after the whole Treyvon incident.

"*Expanded federal benefits to same sex couples working for the executive branch. "
Didn`t realize this was an issue. As long as they have the same benefits as everyone else, I`ll admit this is a good thing.

"*Ordered the Federal Housing Authority to no longer consider the sexual orientation of loan applicants.
*Expanded the Census to count those who report being in a same sex relationship. "
Once again, wasn`t aware that these were issues, but I also wouldn`t contribute all of this directly to Obama. It was probably ine
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Male 735
ya gotta shave
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Male 181
@markust123 - Welcome to politics, Happens to every president reguadless of what they do, or what they say, so obama "haters" are really no different then bush haters and so on. So I`d say like wise to both sides, but I know that wont ever happen, so get used to it.

Haters gonna hate.
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Male 5,021
Good lord IAB, what is up with adding the [url"> identifier do you really think people are so stupid that they can`t recognize a url without having it pointed out to them?
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Female 2,228
All of this I believe calls for a celebratory margarita tonight for my Progressive peeps. PARTY DOWN!! *Slides drinks around the bar*
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Male 5,021
"What has Obama done for the gay community other than saying nice things about it? In fact, what has Obama done for any community other than giving speeches to the media?"

A hell of a lot. You can see a breakdown
[url">here. I wish the Obama haters could give it a rest for one day. If you hate your president so much that you have to sh*t on him when declares support for a civil rights issue you have a lot of problems.
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Female 2,228
Glad ya asked there edward. He has:

*Repealed DADT
*Signed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act into law
*Expanded federal benefits to same sex couples working for the executive branch.
*Ordered the Federal Housing Authority to no longer consider the sexual orientation of loan applicants.
*Expanded the Census to count those who report being in a same sex relationship.
*Directed US agencies abroad to protect the rights of gays and lesbians and Sec. of State Clinton made the first ever gay rights speech to the UN asking for greater protections for sexual minorities worldwide.

I`ve probably missed a few there, but THAT is some historic groundbreaking stuff.
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Male 523
@illios Yea, it`s kind of bullpoo. He`s basically covering up how awful of a president (and person) he is by making nice claims to make people feel warm and fuzzy inside. Sure, everyone wants a world without prejudice, but do you people honestly believe Obama is going to magically make that happen?
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Male 523
@FoolsPrussia
"My argument is not faulty. I`m stating the fact that something good was accomplished regardless of the leader`s personal opinion. "
No, your argument is still faulty. What you`r stating isn`t fact. The unconstitutional things Lincoln did may very well have made things better off, but there is also a chance that they made things worse. We`ll never know.
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Male 181
@Angilion - Agreed, This would be old news if he wasn`t useing it for personal gain, IE gaining votes to win the elections, He`s been slipping in the past few years and needs voters, so now all of the sudden he "cares" and people buy it.
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Male 12,365
Personally, if I was in charge, I`d acknowledge that three *different* things (personal, governmental, religious) are currently inaccurately lumped together under the word "marriage", treat them as the three different things they are and drop the word "marriage" entirely.

Then I`d laugh at people on both sides whose main motive is to have a fight, because I`d have removed the excuses they use for having one and they`d have to scrabble around for new excuses.
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Male 523
@markust123 What has Obama done for the gay community other than saying nice things about it? In fact, what has Obama done for any community other than giving speeches to the media?
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Male 12,365
If those in favour of homosexual marriages are looking for a reason to celebrate, try this:

Obama`s stated position doesn`t really matter in itself because it`s not real. He`s a politician through and through - what he says isn`t a reflection of his real opinion, it`s a reflection of what will get him the most votes. There`s the cause for celebration - not that Obama has said he favours government recognition of homosexual marriages but that he thinks that saying so will gain him votes. He`s very good at his job (not running the country - his job is to get votes), so what he says is a very good indication of prevailing opinion.
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Female 2,674
by flip flips I meant flip flops ._.
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Male 181
@Yeahhhhhhhhh - I agree, but it`ll get turned into one, that`s just how things go here.
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Female 2,228
I just remembered Biden the other day, it was so cute! He was telegraphing the way the administration would go with his honesty, & it was the adorable transformation of the Gaffmaster General into the Conscience of the Administration.

Past bumps up against Realpolitik or not, this really is a great event either way.
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Female 2,674
Nice graph, markust. I`m really surprised at how much the public opinion has changed in less than 2 decades. Obama`s going with the majority of Americans and I`m very happy that he`s doing so. I don`t agree with a lot of what Obama`s done but he`s helped out the gay community more than any other president and hopefully that`ll continue in his 2nd term ^^

Btw did anyone see Fox News` trolly article about this story?
Original article title: "Obama REVERSES Position on Same Sex Marriage"
Then it was changed to: "OBAMA FLIP FLOPS, DECLARES WAR ON MARRIAGE"
But I just checked it now and it`s to a *slightly* less trolly title of: "OBAMA FLIP FLIPS ON GAY MARRIAGE"

Fox cracks me up sometimes. The commenters are complete morons though and somehow my posts kept getting automatically flagged for mod review. Maybe I used a flagged word or something :P
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Male 3,445
"It`s been proven in history, Lincoln did not care about the slaves. The only reason he did this was to cripple the South`s economy thereby ending the Civil War. You argument here is faulty."

My argument is not faulty. I`m stating the fact that something good was accomplished regardless of the leader`s personal opinion.
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Male 105
Don`t turn this into a against gay people post, because its not at all.
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Male 105
Nobody on here is against gay marriage, just Obama`s slimy way of announcing 15 years later that he supports gay marriage. Seriously no one on here is homophobic from what I have been reading. He put himself in a really awkward position with not having a stance after Biden announced his, and look at all the support he`s getting all of a sudden. Now the entire gay community is going to vote for him which is probably a pretty big percentage.
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Male 181
Meh, a desperate move for a guy feeling pressure. IE funny that he`s been in for a his term but only before elections does he make the choice...hmm..
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Male 5,021
This is from the 2011 Gallop Poll. A majority of Americans favor gay marriage, or more to the point equality. The new poll should be coming out this month.

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Male 5,021
I`m not going to let the haters silly troll tricks get to me today. I am so proud of the President. He has done so much for the gay community - a thousand times more than any other president.
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Male 376
"There is a very real chance that this could hurt his election."

One of the main demographics that Obama has been losing favor with since he was elected is young people. This just won them all back.

I`m sure he really feels that gay marriage should be legal. He just played that out in a way that would work to his advantage. It`s something any good politician would do and if Obama is anything he`s an excellent politician. But that`s just my opinion.
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Male 7,378
[quote]I`m not sure you can necessarily call this a scheme to get re-elected. Even though opinion is shifting toward gay marriage, opposition has been very good about getting out the vote.[/quote] ------------
Eventhough voters have had the opportunity to vote on this issue, it remains to be seen if a vote on the rights of a minority is constitutional. Ultimately same sex marrige will be decided by the Supreme Court their affirmation of of the 14th amendment will beat back the homophobic laws put in place by voters.
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Male 105
If he really cared more about than his political career he would have stood by this issue 15 years ago is all I am saying.
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Male 40,756
I like this article!

Obama is obviously going to attack Romney over this, even Democrats must know this, right? The ONLY reason Obama has `suddenly evolved` is so he can paste a "hate" sticker on his opponent.
Obama has had nearly 4 years to actually DO something. He did repeal DADT (from Clinton) but otherwise? nada.
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Male 105
"It`s also possible to take a cynical stance on why Lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation. The point is that he did it."

It`s been proven in history, Lincoln did not care about the slaves. The only reason he did this was to cripple the South`s economy thereby ending the Civil War. You argument here is faulty.
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Male 663
I really do find it depressing that people can find fault with something like this.
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Male 663
@markust IAB has been fairly "anti" (for lack of a better word) obama if memory serves me correctly.

Also, I don`t see how supporting the opinions of your voter base is a scheme : /
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Male 5,021
That picture is killing me. Fancylad this really is such a huge Troll post. Everything, the picture, the title and the tag line. What is up with you the last couple weeks?
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Male 2,085
He is looking for anything he can use to attack his opponent because he sure as hell can not run on his record. Pushing polarizing social issues to divert attention from the economy. What a slime ball.
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Male 5,021
"I view with everyone else that this is a scheme to get re-elected."

Don`t throw everyone in that blanket statement. I believe he did this because it is the right thing to do. There is a very real chance that this could hurt his election.
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Male 3,445
I`m not sure you can necessarily call this a scheme to get re-elected. Even though opinion is shifting toward gay marriage, opposition has been very good about getting out the vote.
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Male 105
I view with everyone else that this is a scheme to get re-elected. I think the statement is a great thing, and having someone like the president support it does nothing but good for the attitude.

I just felt like public opinon played a big part in his decision.
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Male 7,378
Obama evolved, devolved and revolved in a quick 6 years. Darwin would be pleased.
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Male 3,369
*sincerely*
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Male 3,369
Dear Republicans,

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

Sincerley,
jtrebowski and everyone else that gives a flip about civil liberties.
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Male 3,445
It`s also possible to take a cynical stance on why Lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation. The point is that he did it.
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Male 295
That`s cool and all, but any guesses as to why he waited until election year to announce this?

He has almost certainly held this position for his entire term as president, if not his whole life. Announcing this now was an entirely political move. I am happy he did come out in favor of gay marriage, but it still seems like a slimy move to me.
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Male 1,048
@Dasuberpoop:
We know fancy sucks, but why you gotta be so mean :( He doesn`t have time to proof read this poo for you
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Male 209
Fancy, still a raging tool. You really do seem to form the majority of your opinions on first glance, following a cursory scan of the content you`re posting (mostly terrible). First sitting president in American history to take a stance on gay marriage, and you just note how long he`s been a POLITICIAN?!? Come on. How`s about actually weighing in on the gravity of the statement?
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Male 209
Fancy, still a raging tool. You really do seem to form the majority of your opinions on first glance, following a cursory scan of the content you`re posting (mostly terrible). First sitting president in American history to take a stance on gay marriage, and you just note how long he`s been a POLITICIAN?!? Come on. How`s about actually weighing in on the gravity of the statement?
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Male 210
I will quote Drprofessor`s comment in solidarity:

"@Fancy--What is it with you, man? This is the first sitting president in history to publicly take a pro-gay marriage stance, and you still have to find fault with it. This is a good thing."
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Male 5,021
"soldiers saliors marines... out there fighting ON MY BEHALF..."
"o...M...G... the ego! He really is an egomaniac."

He`s their Commander-in-Chief you silly fool.
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Male 5,021
"A rating of only 2.0? Lotta homophobes on today."

I think the low rating is for your trolly title and tag line.
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Male 39,927

Fancy, the rating is based on entertainment value, not homophobia. I only gave it a 2. Mildly interesting but not great.
1-fail
2-okay
3-good
4-GREAT
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Male 3,894
@5cats--"on my behalf" ...as an American citizen. Anyone living in this country can say that the soldiers are fighting on their behalf.

Also, the president didn`t claim that he will try to push Gay Marriage legislation, he only made a statement on his own beliefs. He knows he doesn`t have the power to do anything about it--most legislation concerning gay marriage is being handled by the state, and Republicans in Congress will block any attempt at legislation on the federal level.

@Fancy--What is it with you, man? This is the first sitting president in history to publicly take a pro-gay marriage stance, and you still have to find fault with it. This is a good thing.
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Male 39,927

AJ get`s the "Ass of the Day" award with his comment
[quote]"Flippin` and floppin` all over the place." [/quote]
Flip flopping takes more than one change of mind.
At most this is a `flip`.
Bouncing around based on what the crowd wants to hear, like Newt Gingrich, is flip flopping.
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Male 3,445
Actually, he did endorse gay marriage early on in his political career.

Link

But you know, he`s a politician so he made his views ambiguous it to fit the bill.

Still, what he`s done has really changed the landscape. Good for him, taking a stand on it before the election.
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Male 772
"A rating of only 2.0? Lotta homophobes on today."

Fancy, wtf? So people who don`t like your Obama-bashing post are homophobes? That`s ridiculous...
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Male 39,927

blah blah blah
When he ran the 1st time he was not in favor of it. Now he`s changed his mind. So? You want a president who is so stuborn that he cannot ever reconsider a position based on the wants/needs of the citizenry?

He didnt` have to change his mind before an election. It`s not like the gays were gonna vote for Romney. If anything, this hurts him as he may have lost a few middle-ground votes.
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Male 5,021
I am so proud of our President. This is a huge risk during an election year. Way stand by your morals. I hope with this the opposition to gay marriage just lost the black support. It`s going to be fun to watch the bigots freak out over this. Love and tolerance is winning.
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Male 772
Still better than Bush
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Male 20,915
A rating of only 2.0? Lotta homophobes on today.
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Male 10,338
LOL Obama lookin` like a fish out of water.

Flippin` and floppin` all over the place.

Good Job!
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Male 5,021
Suck on that haters!
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Male 40,756
"soldiers saliors marines... out there fighting ON MY BEHALF..."
o...M...G... the ego! He really is an egomaniac.
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Male 40,756
Laughing My Dratting Ass Off!
What he really said is: IF you re-elect me I THINK I MIGHT just MAYBE do soemthing along the lines of gay marriege.
Right after I shut down Guantanimo Bay, of course!!

Video Clip

QUICK! Count how many times he says "I" or Me My or like that...
Also: count his "um" "ah" and other stammers. Best speaker in history? Um, not.
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Male 122
FFIIIINAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYY
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Male 20,915
Link: Look Who`s Finally Taken A Stance On Gay Marriage [Rate Link] - He`s been in politics since what--1997? Only took 15 years to make a decision--not bad.
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