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  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    May 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm
    Link: Gay Rights In The US, State By State - How does your region/state compare? The Southeast is looking... uhhhh, progressive...??? Interactive awesomeness!
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    This is one of the more stupid things I`ve seen on here. Since when do `hate crimes` have do with anybody`s rights? Hate crimes are dumb and shouldn`t even be on there. Some of the other things don`t make sense as well. Just because a state doesn`t offer protection under the law for equal employment doesn`t mean that there isn`t equal employment.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    It`s a rainbow chart, so gay.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7470 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 4:38 pm
    Damn, my state doesnt allow gay adoption or Marriage. They really dont give a damn about anything else I guess.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
    1268 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 4:40 pm
    @eddy.

    Your statement is one of the more stupid things i`ve seen on here.

    Hahaha, oh my. Protection has nothing to do with rights.... HAHAHA. wow.
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    HarryBalszak Male 40-49
    1590 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 4:56 pm
    Wow. I`m glad I`m not gay.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
    1285 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 5:04 pm
    Southeast gays must be sad sad gays, but those at the north west can cross the border to Canada where they have all rights to be, the land of the free
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2012 at 5:07 pm
    Here`s another prospective
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 5:09 pm
    Feeling even more ashamed to be in the southeast :|
    Just 2-3 more years... T-T
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    LemonCurry Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2012 at 5:22 pm
    Here`s another prospective.
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    Someone needs to buy a Webster`s.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    If Archie can handle it, I don`t see why other people have a problem.

  12. Profile photo of PsychGeek
    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 5:47 pm
    @ eddy666: you made me face-palm so hard I have a headache. every person, no matter who or where they are, has a right to feel safe, both in private and in public. hate crimes of any sort violate that right, and they`re for no other reason than "I don`t like you". So yes, hate crimes do need to be on here. And if you honestly think that employment is equal everywhere you go, you`re an even more ignorant moron than I thought. You need to open your eyes hon, it`s not all flowers and rainbows.
  13. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36689 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    It`s time to pull out the big guns and get some civil rights!

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    skypirate Male 18-29
    2415 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 6:11 pm
    i vote banning all marriage.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 6:16 pm
    Here`s a buddy of mine`s Blog post on the topic. Plenty of interesting stats to go with it showing things like how dramatically the opinion of mixed marriage changed.

    (From 4% to 80% in favour in 50 years).

    This will be similar.
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
    1444 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    Sorry, but the concept of "hate crime" is idiotic. Everybody demands equality (which I agree with) but then some groups want to be treated as a more important class when a crime is commited against them.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 7:20 pm
    its too bad that its a federal law to discriminate based on religion or sexual orientation.

    good job spreading misinformation
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 7:24 pm
    @ Viking864: let`s say you`re gay, or Jewish, or black. and let`s say someone rapes your significant other in front of you, beats you senseless, and calls you horrible names and spray-paints hate words all over your car and house. are you honestly going to sit there and tell me you wouldn`t call it a hate crime?

    Those who are *truly* victims of hate crimes don`t want to be more important than anyone else--they just don`t want to be victims of hate crimes. this really isn`t rocket science.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 7:41 pm
    Why is all this gayness being shoved down my throat? Pun intended.
  20. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32822 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 7:45 pm
    Nifty graphic! Lots of information and still easily accessable, cool!
  21. Profile photo of PsychGeek
    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 7:53 pm
    @ mykunter: because NC just passed a bill banning gay marriage, and Obama said today that he supports the movement. I knew there was a reason to like our president :)
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 7:59 pm
    The movement of banning gay marriage? Doesn`t sound like Obama? OK, whatever. I don`t watch much news
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    "...let`s say someone rapes your significant other in front of you"
    = rape

    "...beats you senseless"
    = assault and battery

    "...and calls you horrible names"
    = meh, protected by the first amendment

    "...and spray-paints hate words all over your car and house."
    = vandalism/destruction of property

    What`s the point of hate crime laws again?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36689 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    "What`s the point of hate crime laws again?"
    The thought police. You are punished for the crime, but you get a harsher punishment for what you were thinking at the time you committed it.

    If I ever kill someone, it`s because I loved them... that`s my defense.
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    danagamer Male 30-39
    701 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    stay classy, south east
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
    187 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:14 pm
    Viking864 the difference between a hate crime and normal assault / murder / vandalism is a matter of motive. You can`t tell me that it`s the same thing to beat a guy senseless because he slept with wife or to do the same because he, despite having done nothing to you, happens to be gay or black or whatever. They`re both wrong but you gotta admit one is worse than the other.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:15 pm
    Yeah Gerry, if I ever murder someone, I guarantee it`s because I hated them.

    You know, a lot of people hate white hetero American males. No protection or special status there though...
  28. Profile photo of PsychGeek
    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:17 pm
    @ mykunter:

    obviously you don`t, which is why you not only don`t know that Obama SUPPORTS gay marriage, but that hate crimes happen all the time. I would love for someone to beat the poo out of you because of your race or religion, then see you cry, "it`s a hate crime!"

    it`s so easy to be a prissy, arrogant tightass, until something happens to you or someone you love. get over yourself, you`re not as smart as you`re trying to make yourself look.
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
    187 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:18 pm
    Oh and to set the record straight it`s not just minorities that qualify, if a person has a crime committed against them for reasons of unreasonable prejudice the it`s a hate crime. If a straight white guy was whaled on by 4 hispanic gay guys for being white and straight then it`s a hate crime.
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:20 pm
    and actually, mykunter, several years back a heterosexual, white man was the victim of a hate crime--several neo-nazis painted swastikas all over his door, simply because he`s Jewish. people were outraged over such senseless and ignorant hate.

    sooooo yeah. your argument is pointless.
  31. Profile photo of fuzzysheep
    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
    187 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:22 pm
    mykunter while all of those acts can be classified as what you said, if you can prove that the reason behind them was based on prejudiced then it is that much worse as the motive is also disgusting. That is the point of the hate crime laws, to recognise that the circumstances and motives behind an attack can make it more or less reprehensible
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:23 pm
    Pysch you`re 23, you don`t know sh*t. Also, you would love to see someone beat the poo out of me? That is truly twisted. Hate? Look in the mirror.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    "...if you can prove that the reason behind them was based on prejudiced"

    Sounds like the difference between aggravated and premeditated to me. No point in hate crime laws.
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    @ mykunter: i know a lot of ignorant people in your age range, darling. frankly, i`m glad i don`t know you, you`re the worst I`ve seen in a while.

    I would never truly wish harm on anyone (I work in a hospital, I see people who truly have a right to be angry)--however, my point was that you can sit on your pedestal and look down at us all you want, but as soon as someone does something horrible to you, you`ll be crying for justice--and if it`s because of your race/religion/sexuality, you`ll be calling it a hate crime.

    you`re nothing but an arrogant, conceited jerk who has nothing better to do than make himself look high-and-mighty on an internet forum; I`m not going to let your trolling ruin my night. ciao.
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
    187 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:32 pm
    Being the victim of a hate crime is more traumatising than the equivalent crime for other reasons because you are being victimized not for what you have done but for who you are.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:35 pm
    Wow Psych, whole lotta name calling... you really are full of hate.

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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:39 pm
    mykunter---i hate it when people act like you, and think they know everything. i hate it when people close their eyes and choose to white-wash over everything. and i hate it when the victims of hate crimes are called whiners, or are ignored because people don`t think they deserve legal protection.

    so yeah, there are certain things in this world i hate. and let`s point that finger in your direction, shall we? you attacked me based on age, saying that because i`m 23 i don`t know anything. you have done nothing but troll, and you`re making yourself look like a jerk. i`m done with this conversation, and with you.
  38. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:40 pm
    "you`re nothing but an arrogant, conceited jerk who has nothing better to do than make himself look high-and-mighty"

    Yep, pretty much the definition of a white. (non-Jewish) hetero, American male now days.

    *sigh*
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:43 pm
    trollolol :)
  40. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:44 pm
    I attacked your age because you called me ignorant. With age comes wisdom. When I was 23 I didn`t know sh*t either.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm
    Also, I never resorted to name calling.
  42. Profile photo of PsychGeek
    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm
    you`re sitting here trying to tell us that hate crimes don`t really happen, and that those who claim they`ve been the victims of such crimes are really just talking out their asses. that isn`t exactly wisdom---more like ignorance. but hey, what do I know? I`m just a 23-year-old nursing student with a job in a hospital, caring for patients who are often very, very sick. I`ve neeeeeever seen the bad sides to people. nope! i`m as young and ignorant as they come.
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:48 pm
    i`ve been up for about 36 hours working and studying, i`m not exactly at my best for debating. and if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it`s a duck. i call them as i see them.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6172 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:50 pm
    PsychGeek-" hate crimes happen all the time."

    Well, not ALL the time.

    When a mob of one race gangs up on an individual of another race, beating/killing them while calling them derogatory terms associated with that individuals race, then it MAY be a hate crime.

    See, if it`s a white mob on a black individual, it`s ALWAYS a `hate crime`.

    BUT, if it`s a black mob on a white individual, it`s usually not a hate crime. (And the police and the media will jump through any hoop necessary to AVOID callilng it a hate crime.)
  45. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:53 pm
    All I`m saying is that a crime is a crime. Yes "hate crimes" exist. Like I said if I murdered someone it`s because I hate them. What difference does it make if it is because of their race, sexual orientation, or if they`re just an a**hole?
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:53 pm
    MeGrendel---yes, yes it is. a black mob attacking a white man is a hate crime, because they are attacking him solely because of his race. what the media and cops call it doesn`t matter, the man still deserves the same protection as everyone else. is it really so hard to realize that the only thing that matters is that someone is getting hurt? not only are they getting hurt, but it`s because of who they are, or what they believe in--no one has the right to hurt you because of that.
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    mykunter--because you can choose to be an as*hole (even though that`s not a good reason to hurt someone). you can`t chose your sexual orientation (i`m not getting into that debate) or your race.

    yes hate is hate, but i`d much rather hate a child molester than a gay, Jewish black man.
  48. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    Thanks MeGrendel, sometimes it can suck to be a white man.
  49. Profile photo of PsychGeek
    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    i understand what you guys are saying, and i`m not trying to say that racism against whites doesn`t exist, because it does.

    i just wish we could all put this stupid poo behind us and not divide up based on race or religion, or sexuality or political beliefs. why is it that we only come together as a nation when we are in war or times of tragedy? why is that the only time when race and sexuality don`t matter?

    it`s really sad, if you ask me.
  50. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    Gay Jewish black man? Holy sh*t! That`s the trifecta!

    Sorry, I couldn`t help it. Lighten up Psych. I`m done. Good night.
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 8:59 pm
    g`night.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2012 at 9:14 pm
    PsychGeek-"yes, yes it is."

    No, no it`s not.

    If it`s not PROSECUTED as one, the LEGISLATION concerning it is useless.

    "Hate Crime" laws are feel-good, but totally useless, legislation. They are not going to stop anyone from getting hurt. But I`m sure the victim will feel much better afterward just because it was classified as a `Hate Crime` after the fact.

    PsychGeek-"what the media and cops call it doesn`t matter"

    So, it doesn`t matter if the cops don`t consider it a `Hate Crime`? Then exactly WHAT IS THE USE of the law? Because if they don`t arrest you for it, it`s not a crime.

    Don`t worry, sane people know what use a `Hate Crime Law` is...(nothing).
  53. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    As someone who has had "hate crimes" against me, I still do not believe that hate crime legislation is correct. There are already laws against assault, If their motive is religious hate or "Gimmie your money" which is worse? A misguided religious value or just rank greed?

    The act itself should be punished, not the persons thought process.

    When does Free Speach to say I don`t like something become Hate Speach? I do not want or like the Thought Police. If you allow that, then how long before they tell you that what YOU think is "incorrect" ? I may not like biggots, but they have the right to their thoughts, as I do mine.
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    LemonCurry Male 40-49
    1106 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 9:34 pm
    Sorry, but the concept of "hate crime" is idiotic. Everybody demands equality (which I agree with) but then some groups want to be treated as a more important class when a crime is commited against them.
    ----------------
    I totally agree, why do robbed old ladies and mistreated housewives get all the police attention, that`s really unfair!
  55. Profile photo of LemonCurry
    LemonCurry Male 40-49
    1106 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 9:36 pm
    Gerry, but your thoughts / motivation does make a difference. There is a significant difference between planned homicide and manslaughter, for example.
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    drummeryan Male 13-17
    61 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 9:39 pm
    what the ACTUAL drat US?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32822 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 9:40 pm
    @PsychGeek: I am of the opinion that "Hate Crime Laws" are one of the things that DIVIDE people! That useless "feel good" laws and legislations only lead to BAD things, usually the exact opposite of what their "good intentions" were.

    We all know where good intentions lead us...

    A crime is a crime, if we treat ALL people EQUALLY under the law then "hate laws" are completely useless. Lady Justice should be blind, not judging you based on skin colour...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32822 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 9:51 pm
    @LemonCurry: Spousal abuse of men by women is one of THE MOST under reported and under prosecuted crimes. It`s just not funny. Sorry.

    Taking into account the harm cause TO the victem of crime is already well established! Claiming that a gay man who`s stabbed is "more of a victem" than a straight man is insane.

    Predetermination is also well integrated into the legal system.

    Anyhow @PsychGeek AND @mykunter (and @MeGrendel too!) sweet dreams for y`all eh?
  59. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 10:03 pm
    Hate crime laws exist because hate crimes are done to intimidate/cause fear in the group they`re targeting. Someone being gay and murdered doesn`t mean the murderer was committing a hate crime. If the person was murdered BECAUSE they`re gay, then it`s a hate crime.

    Imagine a straight white male Christian was murdered in your town.
    In one scenario, he was murdered because because the murderer believed he was sleeping with his wife and murdered him out of anger.
    In another scenario, he got murdered by someone he didn`t know BECAUSE he was a Christian. It could have been any Christian but it just so happened to be this guy.

    Doesn`t the 2nd scenario feel more threatening to you? The attack wasn`t simply an attack on that single person, but on a whole group of people in that classification that was being targeted. That`s why hate crimes are treated differently.
  60. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 10:09 pm
    See? When the the old guys talk (Gerry, 5Cats, Lemon) it makes sense. Not all full of piss and vinegar.

    BTW, I experience hate crime in the 80`s for being a "skate punk". Skateboarders had a bad rep and were targeted, not fun. Drunk jocks... Nobody called it a hate crime then, and i really don`t care.

    A skateboard makes a nasty weapon.
  61. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 10:12 pm
    @Lillian: Again, aggravated vs. premeditated, we already have laws for that.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32822 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 10:18 pm
    @LillianDulci: In the first case the killer is a rabid dog and should be "put down". Freaking out to the point of murder = you cannot be trusted.

    In the second case? The killer is a rabid dog. Same thing.

    It makes no difference to the dead person...
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2012 at 10:46 pm
    Not surprised to see the entire South-East completely colorless on the graphic in each category. It`s like 1958 over there. You couldn`t pay me enough to live in that hick backwards ass thinking area of this country. Total embarrassment to the rest of the U.S.
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    El_Chinche Male 18-29
    546 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 10:52 pm
    @mykunter
    Actually when the old guys talk they come off like this



    Seriously you sound like an old curmudgeon and we can all take solace in the fact that you and your outdated beliefs will die soon.

    Now get back to yelling at those kids to stay off the lawn and complaining about the "coloreds".
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    soundman655 Male 50-59
    1558 posts
    May 9, 2012 at 11:36 pm
    Hate all people who think they have the right to tell others how to live!!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2012 at 11:50 pm
    "Hate all people"

    How bout we don`t hate anyone for once, and see how that works out for us.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2012 at 11:52 pm
    Again, so glad I live in a country that`s moving forward, not back.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2012 at 3:48 am
    Don`t see what the problem is. Stop trying to take marriage from straight people. If just anyone can get married, it loses it`s intended meaning: To force a man and a woman to tolerate each other in order to bring up children.

    Imagine how messed up that kid`s mind is having gay guys as adoptive parents. Seriously, think of the day to day consequences of "why the fxck do I have two dads?!"
  69. Profile photo of banur
    banur Male 18-29
    250 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 4:14 am
    If just anyone can get married, it loses it`s intended meaning: To force a man and a woman to tolerate each other in order to bring up children.

    Imagine how messed up that kid`s mind is having gay guys as adoptive parents. Seriously, think of the day to day consequences of "why the fxck do I have two dads?!"

    Yeah, and ban divorce. Think of all the messed up kids that think "why the fxck do I only have a mum/dad?!"

    Oh and I didn`t know that the purpose of marriage was to force tolerance to bring up children, but the more you know...
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 4:46 am
    @5Cats

    "It makes no difference to the dead person..."

    It makes a difference to the rest of us, though.

    In the scenario that LillianDulci depicts, you have one murderer who, if released, is likely to kill again if someone sleeps with his wife, and you have one murderer who, if released, is likely to kill again if he bumps into a Christian.

    It should be reasonably clear that the second event is more likely to occur than the first.

    And when public safety is a consideration in sentencing dangerous criminals, the difference IS important to consider, because it does have a bearing on an offender`s likelihood to reoffend.

    I hope that makes sense. I genuinely hope you understand the reasoning behind hate crime legislation, and change your opinion of it.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 4:49 am
    @Gerry1of1

    "There are already laws against assault, If their motive is religious hate or "Gimmie your money" which is worse?"

    See below. The motive has a bearing on the offender`s likelihood to reoffend, which is a consideration when sentencing.

    Assuming, of course, that your criminal justice system considers public safety as one of the reasons for confining criminals.
  72. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 4:55 am
    @mykunter

    You do realise that hate crime legislation protects everyone (or at least, is written to do so; how it`s enforced may vary), not just minorities...right?

    ...right?!

    Please tell me you know that. PLEASE tell me you`re not THAT ignorant of the world in which you live.

    "I don`t watch much news"

    Oh. Right. Maybe you are. This saddens me.
  73. Profile photo of bophus
    bophus Male 30-39
    474 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 5:00 am
    @keith2

    Who is trying to take marriage from straight people? I havent seen anything that says if gay people are allowed to marry, straight people will not.

    your entire statement is ridiculous.

    also, studies show that children with gay parents, are very happy and well adjusted. probably, because two gays guys ,make the decision to have children and it cant happen by accident like most children born now are.
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    LemonCurry Male 40-49
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    May 10, 2012 at 5:21 am
    @5Cats

    "@LemonCurry: Spousal abuse of men by women is one of THE MOST under reported and under prosecuted crimes. It`s just not funny. Sorry.

    Taking into account the harm cause TO the victem of crime is already well established! Claiming that a gay man who`s stabbed is "more of a victem" than a straight man is insane. "
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    Sorry, I`ll have to deduct 1 point from your score for missing my point, and another point for bad spelling. Keep trying!
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    Forplay2k Male 50-59
    648 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 5:30 am
    I wish they would stop posting this type of crap.
    This is soooo boring.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36689 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 6:10 am

    "There is a significant difference between planned homicide and manslaughter, for example."
    Apples and Oranges. That`s the differance between and accident and a deliberate act, can`t compare the two. Hate Crime ligislation is punishing a person because we don`t like what he was thinking at the time he deliberately committed a crime. I don`t there here is such a thing as an accidental Hate Crime.

    Assault is Assault regardless of what he thought about. In my view, the guy who mugged/killed over the $20 in your wallet is a greater threat to society than a biggot - he`s a danger to everyone but he`ll get a lesser punishment than someone who`s religious or political viewpoint doesn`t match up with current political correctness.

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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
    2553 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 6:23 am
    What`s with the friggin` gay trend on I-A-B?
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    simbha Male 30-39
    412 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 6:33 am
    I couldn`t care less if gays are legally allowed to `marry`.

    What I do care about is that our government should not allow one group of people to receive the direct benefits of being in a committed relationship and deny these benefits to another group.

    If your stance is that marriage is a religious institution, the solution is not to deny marriage to those who don`t fit within your definition; it`s to deny that the government has the authority to even recognize marriage. Instead, ALL legally-recognized unions between two people should be regarded as just that - legally-recognized unions - and there would then be no justification for denying that recognition to gays, as well.

    By some people`s definition, I am not a married man - because my wife and I were married in a civil ceremony by a JP. Yet, we`re a man-and-a-woman, and we`ve been in a committed relationship for over 15 years.
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
    187 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 6:38 am
    Trutenrman recently Barack Obama went on record saying he supported gay marriage and the issue of gay rights as a whole matters a great deal to a lot of people. It tends to polarise people and cause a great deal of debate. Whenever there is an I-am-bored post about gay rights or religion or the interaction between the two there is a lot of discussion.

    Whether or not that`s what you come to IAB for, there`s a few of us that find a good debate is one of the more effective way of assuaging boredom. I reckon there`s a decent blend of lolcat videos and thought provoking political posts to keep everyone happy.
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
    187 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 6:42 am
    Agreed simbha, if people want to preserve the purity of the religious institution of marriage then they have to allow it to be divorced from the legal status it affords. The government has the right, some would say obligation, to grant the same rights to same sex couples as to heterosexual couples. Whether or not a particular church decides to bless that union should be a separate issue.

    The church shouldn`t own marriage, it should be an entirely legal construct considering it confers so many legal advantages which it is unfair to restrict to a religiously defined group.
  81. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6172 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 6:49 am
    Musuko42-"You do realise that hate crime legislation protects everyone"

    You do realize that no, it does not? It does, in fact, protect no one. But certain portions of the population get the added benifit of thier injuries or death will be classified a `Hate Crime`.

    And, the fact that they can label it as `Hate Crime` (after the fact) and apparently criminalize it, leads us down the road that eventually they will criminalize `Hate Thought`. So that they can determine, before the fact and using their own definitions, that you are guilty of `Criminal Thoughts` and must be removed from society.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6172 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 6:49 am
    LillianDulci-"Imagine a straight white male Christian was murdered in your town. In one scenario...In another scenario."

    Don`t have to imagine it.

    Yondell Johnson (black) was beat by 4 white men (no weapons) while they yelled racist epithats. Three were found guilty of a hate crime.

    Matthew Owens (white) was beat by ~20 black men with bricks, pipes, a bat and brass knuckles while they yelled racist comments, and also yelled, `Now that`s justice for Trayvon`. Strangely enough, that`s not being prosecuted as a `Hate Crime`.
  83. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 7:05 am
    @MeGrendel: You`re slightly cherry-picking. Yes, it is more likely for a violent crime against a minority to be labelled a hate crime, but the FBI keeps hate crime stats on all races/sexual orientations etc. In 2007, for example, 828 people were convicted for committing racially motivated hate crimes agianst white people. 19 people were even found guilty of committing anti-heterosexual hate crimes. They laws definitely do not only apply to minority victims, although it is likely the majority.

    Assault is Assault regardless of what he thought about.
    Not really. Hate crimes aren`t just made to make the public feel warm and fuzzy, hate crimes are crimes intentionally aiming to create racial or other special kinds of conflict. Because of that, they do more harm to society than the non-hate crime versions of those crimes, so society places higher penalties on them. Look at the Martin case: A whole country foaming at the mouth for weeks...
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 7:08 am
    ...Now I`m not saying the Martin case was a hate crime, but just look at the impact race has on a country, it can tear it apart if the divide is big enough. Hate crime laws are about a paradigm shift in society. Do they prevent hate crime? Well to that I would ask if murder punishments prevent murder. Are hate crime laws necessary? Probably not, but I think it is about society trying to say that racial/sex orientation etc. discrimination is wrong.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 7:39 am
    @MeGrendel

    "You do realize that no, it does not? It does, in fact, protect no one. But certain portions of the population get the added benifit of thier injuries or death will be classified a `Hate Crime`."

    Would you like to show me where it states in your hate crime legislation that only certain people are protected?

    Oh look, patchgrabber`s given you some actual figures. I`ll just wait here for you to squirm and wriggle and ignore them.
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    notorious98 Male 30-39
    151 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 8:06 am
    @MeGrendel

    Perhaps it`s about time you brush up on the facts of that Matthew Owens case. Those "20 black men" turned out to mostly be bystanders. One of the men arrested turned himself in and has had run-ins with Owens before. Oh. And Owens was throwing his own racial epithets around as well. Also, take a look at his arrest record. Owens has a nice rap sheet.

    And, by the way, Delmon Young of the Detroit Tigers was arrested for a hate crime related assault on a Jewish white man.
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    pixiechick81 Female 30-39
    838 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    "United States of America" there appears to be little unity here... or with many other laws for that matter
  88. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10732 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    leads us down the road that eventually they will criminalize `Hate Thought`

    I doubt that, the court has been rather unwavering in defense of the First Amendment.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10732 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 1:22 pm
    Look at the Martin case: A whole country foaming at the mouth for weeks...

    ...and yet we have hate crime laws.

    Would you like to show me where it states in your hate crime legislation that only certain people are protected?

    Yet certain groups get added benefits which isn`t equal treatment under the law.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 3:16 pm
    AMUUUURICA!
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
    1059 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    Dang, I thought we were doing so well here in Tennessee. Guess I`ll have to move to Mississippi now.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    Hey, look everybody!
    8Bithero said: "AMUUUURICA!"... again.
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    003067 Female 18-29
    150 posts
    May 10, 2012 at 5:02 pm
    so...gays cant go to school?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 11, 2012 at 3:46 am
    @Cajun247

    "Yet certain groups get added benefits which isn`t equal treatment under the law."

    The subject MeGrendel and I were discussing was hate crime legislation. You are trying to conflate this with affirmative action.

    The two are very different things. Please assure me that you know this.

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