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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    May 5, 2012 at 8:11 am
    Link: F*ck You EA Games! - Sincerely, The PirateBay.
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    LexiLeet Female 18-29
    430 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 2:23 pm
    Uhm... Not cool. They couldn`t have been nicer?

    Yeah, if I didn`t have respect for Pirate Bay before, I definitely do not now.
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 2:24 pm
    It would be nice if I didn`t have to strain my eyes to read the damn thing....
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    Moriachik Female 18-29
    50 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    Old news, the .org domain went down forever ago...
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    tedgp Male 30-39
    3287 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    Wow this is old. Like years old.
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    krembill Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 2:37 pm
    Read all of these a long time ago, still funny though :-)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 2:37 pm
    Yay for Pirates!
    Demonoid is #1 though, srsly.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
    3287 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    Actually 5cats, private trackers are #1. Demonoid has way too much junk on it.
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    LikeIGiveASh Female 13-17
    443 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 2:45 pm
    Moriachik, looks like it still works
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
    1674 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 2:46 pm
    i don`t see how people thing EA are being jerks for not wanting thier property stolen. I support piratebay but i know what i`m doing is wrong (hence why it`s called piratebay). But you can`t blame EA for their letter - what else are they gonna do?
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    tedgp Male 30-39
    3287 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    Not everyone steals it blanktom. To suggest that leads us to believe you are just like the Entertainment industry and like to stereotype everyone to get your own way.

    Most people simply download the game to see if its any good, and if it is they go and buy it ( providing it`s not extortionately priced like most games are now).

    personally i download games, music as trials, and if i like them, i buy them. I`ve bought so much music and movies etc simply because i downloaded the movie first and loved what i was watching/playing/listening to.
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 2:53 pm
    @BlankTom

    Stop being a poo company that causes repeating customers to stop buying their games solely because I don`t want to have to use Origin? If I want to play my single player, OFFLINE game on the go or without using Origin, I am forced to crack it.

    Not only that, but they have something against selling used games, and are eventually going to force everyone to have to buy a full copy, and make game borrowing, renting, or used game purchasing a thing of the past... except for Pirates.

    Their anti-piracy efforts turned me into a pirate. They`re being counter productive.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    May 5, 2012 at 2:54 pm
    ctrl+++++++
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    @tedgp

    Exactly. The majority of games I pirated, I bought directly afterward. It`s a trial, basically. I have bought more games because of it. I fully support the gaming industry, just not EA, who is pooting on their customers with release-day DLC of such important pieces of the story, software designed to monitor and control customers, and other horrible business strategies.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
    1674 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 3:03 pm
    i see a lot of peple kidding themselves into believing what they are doing is "justified." "I`ll only download it to see if i like it, then i`ll decide if i want to buy it or not, you know when i get around to it and when the price drops" Sheesh, just admit to yourself that what you`re doing is steeling and get on with your life.
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    @BlankTom

    It`s not stealing in any way, as you aren`t taking a physical copy. These days companies spend so much money PAYING review sites and magazines to praise their game, that you don`t even know which game is truly poo.

    Take Call of Duty for example. They have an incredibly easy to replicate game, with constant glitches, a horrible community, imbalanced weapons, the same basic gameplay 5 years in a row, and they still get the top ratings out of any game out there based on sheer numbers and advertizement.

    Why would you spend money up-front without knowing what the game is, when companies these days barely offer demos and bribe review sites and magazines to praise their games?

    "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates."

    — Valve`s Gabe Newell
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    Again: I love to point this out:
    If you live in Canada the CRIA already has your money! The movie, music (and I presume) game industry GETS YOUR MONEY FROM TAXES placed on blank media. For free! The Gov`t just hands it over.

    SO: I`ve already paid for it, it is not stealing!
  18. Profile photo of Stonardsftw
    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    @BlankTom

    tl;dr

    Small publishers and companies that treat their companies well and offer good services, I support. Companies like Activision and EA are doing this to themselves.

    They should take the approach Louis C.K. took with the polite request not to pirate his comedy special.
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    metalhannes Male 18-29
    144 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    More letters like this one
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    Treat their customers well*
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 3:18 pm
    BlankTom - I downloaded Deus Ex: HR before release, played up to the first major cutscene before stopping, deciding it was awesome, and waiting for release to buy it. I`ve not pirated any other game. It`s stealing in the same way that using a walkman to record stuff of the radio is stealing. Sure, I`m glad that the industry has a lot of games, and has a lot of money pumped into it, but sometimes I`m completly for piracy; it makes it a less viable "lets make games for money" cookie-cutter game company option, and means more people who want to create games because they like creating games will create games.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    May 5, 2012 at 3:31 pm
    "It`s not stealing in any way" That`s pretty much the same as saying it *is* stealing in every other rational way. So thank you.

    And this whole "i`m just trying it out" thing is total BS. The company decided they didn`t want a demo - they made/distributed the product and guess what, it`s thier right to sell it that way. And you know what, it`s your right to not buy it. But it`s not your right to steal it becuase you don`t "like" what their doing.

    Sure a lot of times the don`t offer a demo becuase they know their product is crap. But like i said - don`t support this. You can still find realistic review - hell, read forums, that`s where i get most of my reviews.

    You don`t have to have every game that comes out. You don`t *have* to buy the new Call of Duty game if you hear it`s crap. You sound like a bunch of crack addicts. Take some pride in yourself.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    May 5, 2012 at 3:34 pm
    "They should take the approach Louis C.K. took with the polite request not to pirate his comedy special."

    Amd this very site you are visiting pirated that very same louis CK special. So you see how well your argument stands
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    EA suck anyway. I don`t agree pirating at all but EA have effed us over all the time. The same can be said for Capcom so this comes as no surprise to me
  25. Profile photo of Stonardsftw
    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 3:45 pm
    @BlankTom
    ""It`s not stealing in any way" That`s pretty much the same as saying it *is* stealing in every other rational way. So thank you. "

    That didn`t make very much sense.

    Companies have a right to try and sell games their own way, you`re absolutely right. Perhaps EA should take their right to "sell games their own way" and use it for good, instead of evil.
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    toqr Male 18-29
    199 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 3:47 pm
    The unfortunate side effect of piracy is that good games made by small independant studios are becoming a rare occurance.
    Hopefully I am not the only one begining to realize that the siege engine that is EA will continue ruining games if we dont start supporting the developers that make an effort.
  27. Profile photo of Stonardsftw
    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 3:50 pm
    @BlankTom

    "Amd this very site you are visiting pirated that very same louis CK special. So you see how well your argument stands"

    You do know that the website itself didn`t pirate anything, right? People WILL pirate things, but mitigation of piracy is very possible if you treat your customers well, offer a good product, and provide services such as online play or consistent updates that pirates cannot provide.

    Also, people, like myself, bought his special BECAUSE of the way he presented it. Because he offered a decent product, didn`t force you to go through an obstacle course to enjoy it, offered it for a reasonable price, and actually had the balls to say "I`m offering a good product that is easy to watch and share, please don`t pirate it" instead of trying to "FIGHT THE PIRATES." He even made it DRM free so you COULD share it.
  28. Profile photo of Stonardsftw
    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 3:52 pm
    @toqr

    Actually, more small independent companies have sprung up recently. They`re becoming more and more popular, partially due to Steam offering very good deals on many smaller games.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    The unfortunate side effect of piracy is that good games made by small independant studios are becoming a rare occurance.

    I`m not convinced that piracy is to blame for that. I think the main reason is the huge increase in development costs as a result of the huge increase in the complexity of games. When I started gaming, it was possible for a mainstream game with top quality graphics and sound to be written by one person in their own home.
  30. Profile photo of Stonardsftw
    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 4:01 pm
    @Angilion

    It`s also due to the cost of advertizing your game being so high. Larger companies are taking advantage of this, and they`re getting lazier doing it. Their games get worse and worse while their advertizement gets better and better.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
    1674 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    @Stonardsftw I-Am-Bored provided a link to a *private* youtube video of Louis CKs special. Since is was a private video, there was no other way to access it unless someone specifically gave you a link. I don`t know if "legally" this is acceptable, but ethically there`s a problem.

    There were a few people (myself included) who were trying to convince fancy to take it down. But a majority of this site was trying to come up with ways to "justify" why it is okay for them to steal the content... sound familiar?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Hopefully I am not the only one begining to realize that the siege engine that is EA will continue ruining games if we dont start supporting the developers that make an effort.

    I recently spent $45 on a game I didn`t particularly want and haven`t played, bundled with another game I didn`t particularly want and have only played once. I pre-ordered it, the first game I have ever pre-ordered. I`ll probably play them both at some point as they are excellent games, but I paid primarily to support the company behind the developer and the publisher.

    The reason why I did so is that the company makes a point of refusing to use any DRM at all. They *sell* games. You bought it, it`s yours. Play it whenever you like. You don`t need to ask their permission to play - you bought it, you didn`t rent it. Install it on more than one PC if you want, as long as you own them.
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 4:14 pm
    @BlankTom

    Nope, never saw that up here. But then again, I don`t see every single post on this site because it`s generally a last resort. He should have never put it up.

    I`m not saying pirating is a completely and entirely correct and saintly thing to do. I`m just saying that it isn`t completely un-justified in a lot of cases.

    Pirating from an Indie Game company that sells their games for 1-5 dollars, and puts a lot of hard work into their games? Wrong.

    Pirating from a massive company that offers poor services, sells games in pieces for massive amounts of money, has zero customer service, and promotes copy/paste production? Justified.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 4:17 pm
    In case anyone is interested:

    The games were Witcher and Witcher 2. The developer is CD Projekt RED and the distributer is gog.com

    GOG has hundred of games for sale, all free of DRM. It`s mostly older games, but they`ve recently branched out into indie, following the proven success of DRM-free publishing even with a brand new AAA game (Witcher 2 was *very* successful).

    Another example of the way this dev works:

    Witcher 2 Extended Edition is a development of Witcher 2, with refinements to the interface based on customer feedback, plus a whole slew of DLC. They gave it away free to everyone who bought Witcher 2. We`re not talking a few bugfixes and some different clothes here - it`s a 12GB download.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    May 5, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    @Stonardsftwhttp://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=66616 Of course Youtube took the video down but the comments are still worth a read. Actually a lot more people were against it being posted than I originally thought, mostly it was just fancy being a dick about it.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 4:28 pm
    I don`t totally agree with pirating. I say it is a very poor route to take.
    I have pirated content before. I pirated Fable for the PC. My first disc became damaged beyond repair. So I pirated the first disc only (out of 4). It was material I had already paid for.

    If companies offered deals like that, where damaged discs could be replaced for free, people would choose that route instead of pirating.

    That goes the same for used gaming. I don`t have a lot of money but there are lots of titles that I would love to find now that are old and rare to find even used.
    If companies provided a service where customers could purchase old games brand new, at reasonable prices, they would get far more customers.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 4:32 pm
    Piratebay is at it again. Gotta love em`...
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 4:42 pm
    If companies provided a service where customers could purchase old games brand new, at reasonable prices, they would get far more customers.

    It`s worth looking at gog.com for that. They started as a place to buy good old games (hence gog) brand new at reasonable prices ($6-10, with frequent 50% off sales). I buy almost all of my games from there now (although I still have ~100 boxed games, only a handful are recent).
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 4:42 pm
    F*ck yeah, PB! Piracy really isn`t that bad of a thing. It hurts the record company in the music industry, not so much the artist. The artists mostly make money by people liking their CDs and then going to their shows when they go on tour. So the more people that download their CD, the more people that must like it, and the more people that will go see their concert.

    I have no idea if it is the same way with game development, but i see nothing wrong with pirating a game. If you like it, you should definitely send something to the creator (not the publisher or any other company, but the creating entity.)
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 4:44 pm
    "I pirated Fable for the PC. My first disc became damaged beyond repair. So I pirated the first disc only (out of 4). It was material I had already paid for. "

    That is not pirating. If you have already paid for it you can download it all you like, even if it`s an unauthorized source, and it is 100% legal.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
    3147 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 4:51 pm
    Damn, Angillion, thanks for pointing that site out to me.

    I browsed, and I do see some games that I had tried but couldn`t get in to that I`ve been wanting to try again.
    I have a Steam account and they have some good sales too.

    But I was more referring to hard copies. I know that printing individual hard copies would be near impossible, but if a company could find a way to cheaply do it, they would rake in the cash.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 5:05 pm
    Pirating and stealing are not the same thing.

    When you steal something, you are depriving the owner of the use of that thing. When you pirate something, the owner still has full use of the thing they own.
    Imagine stealing someone`s car vs using someone`s car as a blueprint to build yourself an exact working replica car.

    I`m not saying piracy is OK, but it`s clearly not the same as stealing.
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    There`s no company out there with the service and prices to convince me to stop stealing. Sorry, gaming/music/movie industry, I`ll try again in a few years and see if your prices have deflated.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 5, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    allmightybob, "When you steal something, you are depriving the owner of the use of that thing."
    Pirating IS stealing. By pirating a thing you have deprived them of the money they would make selling it to you.

    I`ve been known to copy dvd`s myself so I`m not judging anyone more than I do myself. Just saying own up to it, WE ARE STEALING. You can dress it up all you want, it`s still stealing.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    May 5, 2012 at 5:31 pm
    EA is slowly killing the video game industry. NOTCH, the maker of minecraft, put out a public reply to EA`s own Indi-Game packs.

    I particularly like how EA trys to sue every little company that even so closely trys to use their games, while filing motions to not have to pay copywrite fees for using the military vehicles, weapons and so forth in Battlefield 3. These money grubby asshats even dared charge for ALTERNATE MASS EFFECT 3 ENDINGS!!!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 5:39 pm
    @Gerry1 & @BlankTom:
    If there is 0.00% chance of me buying a game sight unseen, how much is lost if I try that game through downloads?

    If I try it, and it`s good, I`ll probably have to buy a copy in order to register it and get the bugfixes. Almost ALL game software is released `buggy` ON PURPOSE so you have to register & update in order to even play it!

    I have done both: bought good looking games off the shelf AND after trying demos AND after downloading and wishing it was patched. Oh wait, do they even make "demos" anymore?
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 5:52 pm
    "Pirating IS stealing. By pirating a thing you have deprived them of the money they would make selling it to you. "

    By this definition, any time you don`t buy something (I.e. You buy a competing product, or just don`t buy a product and just walk past the store), you are stealing.

    Furthermore: I know someone who had about $700`000 worth of stuff in college. He was a college student. He had a negative net worth.

    Are you genuinely telling me, that you think if he didn`t pirate it, he would have sent himself that far in further debt?

    Bad definition. Depriving income is not stealing.
    Bad example. Piracy does not (necessarily) deprive income.

    Try again.
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    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
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    May 5, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    Well, for possibly the first time ever I find myself agreeing with 5Cats.
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    ihurtmyself Male 30-39
    361 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 6:08 pm
    don`t care, still gonna do it. pirate bay is crap anyway.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 6:19 pm
    also angillion: I did the exact same thing.

    Witcher 1 and 2 have been bought and on my to-play list since Witcher 2 came out.

    GOG.com ftw. It is tremendously good and awesome.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 5, 2012 at 6:36 pm
    Well, for possibly the first time ever I find myself agreeing with 5Cats.
    Thanks @Sloth-O-Doom! I`m agreeing with @baalthy`s post too, but that`s happened a few times before.

    I repeat: If you copy and sell it? THAT is stealing! If you buy it and lend it to your neighbor? Not stealing.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    Baal, I would agree with your point to a point.

    In the case of most other products, we`ll say TVs, competing brands have a lot of the same features: how many HDMI ports, power output... etc.

    But in video games, how many competing companies give you Mario?, or Marvel vs Capcom?

    Comparing the video game industry to a different type of industry is not a valid comparison merely because of that copyright issue, though your point is still good.

    Even comparing VGindusrty to the movie industry is a stretch. There a hundreds of war movies if you want a war movie, but when choosing a fighting game, you go by character rosters, or at least I do. And not a lot of games have the same character rosters, or gameplay
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    May 5, 2012 at 7:16 pm
    "By this definition, any time you don`t buy something (I.e. You buy a competing product, or just don`t buy a product and just walk past the store), you are stealing."

    @Baalthazaq that was one of the most idiotic things i`ve ever heard someone say on here.
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    Yeahhhhhhhhh Male 18-29
    105 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    I love that most arguements about piracy involve the betterment of mankind through free art and knowledge. Like Gerry said no matter how much your trying to dress it up, your still stealing from people which is drated up.

    How would you like it if you were working in wal mart and everybody just decided to start stealing from Wal-Mart, because that will help the employees right? You can go in and give those people some money, but unless you are constantly giving them money, they will eventually go bankrupt and end up being homeless. Most artist like being recognized for having good art and most people are willing to pay as a way to say please keep making this awesome art. You are also paying for the time and effort they put into these pieces
    I myself pirate things, but when you guys try to justify piracy against corporations many of the little guys also get pushed over and knocked out. Piracy really helps nobody, its just everybody`s way of getting poo for free.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 8:36 pm
    Piracy really helps nobody, its just everybody`s way of getting poo for free.


    while I agree that piracy is a terrible thing, which I can proudly say I no longer take a part in, I will point out that you are wrong about piracy not helping anything.

    7 years ago, you couldn`t stream TV shows (free) or movies (paid subscriptions) online legally. 10 years ago you couldn`t download 1-2 songs, legally, because you liked that one track as opposed to the whole cd.

    piracy has pushed corporations to evolve with recent technology, it may not be pretty, but it HAS created results.
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    a103276 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2012 at 10:46 pm
    "By this definition, any time you don`t buy something (I.e. You buy a competing product, or just don`t buy a product and just walk past the store), you are stealing."

    Well, you`re absolutely right. It`s like going to bed with your sox on, which is murder. Or eating a pizza and leaving the crust - that`s rape! If you have a dog and let him stick his head out the window while you drive, you`re commiting high treason.
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    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
    930 posts
    May 5, 2012 at 10:48 pm
    There are several games I would have never bought had I not been able to download and try them first. I refuse to buy games until I get some time in playing them anymore as the quality has gone down in games in recent years. So do they really want me to stop demoing the games they want to sell me? I have no problem finding other means of entertainment if they do.
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    whapitoot Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 12:55 am
    CorpseCrank; You can rent games, your argument is invalid.
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    YANKmyDOODLE Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 1:21 am
    @whapitoot, where would one rent pc game?
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    driftwoodslo Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 1:34 am
    Art belongs to everyone. Putting a dollar sign in front of it just devalues it. I`d rather have a million people reading my book for free than a thousand reading it for twenty bucks.
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 1:45 am
    @whapitoot

    Not these days you can`t; at least not PC games from EA. You shouldn`t talk about things you don`t understand.
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    bridog6996 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 2:11 am
    I`d rather have a million people reading my book for free than a thousand reading it for twenty bucks.

    That`s a straight-up lie. Well...okay, it`s fine for you if it`s a hobby, but obviously if you want to make writing a career out of writing, you can enjoy the fact that everybody read your work while you fall asleep in the cardboard box you live in behind the bowling alley.
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    IRockYeah Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 2:25 am
    Go check out their other responses to legal threats. Hi-larry-us.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 3:11 am
    EA makes plenty of money. The Pirate Bay puts the games in more people`s hands. I have no issue with what TPB does in relation to games.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 4:41 am
    That is not pirating. If you have already paid for it you can download it all you like, even if it`s an unauthorized source, and it is 100% legal.

    You are wrong on every point in that paragraph.

    Pirating the contents of a disc to replace a damaged disc that you have already paid for is still piracy and it`s still illegal.

    You haven`t paid for the game and you haven`t bought anything - you`d rented a license to be granted permission to play the game subject to whatever restrictions the publisher (not the developer and certainly not the people working for the dev who actually made the game) decides to place on you.

    Replacing damaged media for free rather than paying more money to the publisher is not something they give you permission to do, so it`s piracy and illegal.

    That`s essentially what many customers are complaining about - not being able to *buy* games at any price.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 4:58 am
    Pirating IS stealing. By pirating a thing you have deprived them of the money they would make selling it to you.

    That`s as ridiculous as claiming that piracy is pure goodness and enlightenment.

    Both sides are equally guilty of exaggerating every aspect of their position to such an extent that they make ludicrous caricatures of themselves.

    Nobody only pirates things that they would otherwise have bought brand new, full price on release day. That`s an utterly ludicrous statement to make. It`s not just spectacularly ignorant of reality, it`s ridiculously impossible. Your argument relies on the assumption that everyone has practically infinite money. You may not even realise that, but it`s true. People routinely pirate stuff with an alleged value in excess of their entire disposible income for years - it`s delusional to claim they would have bought it all if they didn`t pirate it.
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    Yeahhhhhhhhh Male 18-29
    105 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 8:05 am
    Quote:Pirating IS stealing. By pirating a thing you have deprived them of the money they would make selling it to you. That`s as ridiculous as claiming that piracy is pure goodness and enlightenment. End Quote

    This makes no sense to me, because this is basically what the fight against piracy is about. Sure they might still make some money off of it, but compare this to all the money they could be making if piracy was not around.
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    chrn368 Male 18-29
    174 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 8:10 am
    "Where can I send the bill for the consumed diskspace and bandwith?" You mean for the material that doesn`t belong to you and you`re stealing in the first place? These guys should be in prison. Mr. Megaupload is down. Not much longer for the rest of them. I found it hilarious too that when that douche got arrested you started seeing willing and extremely vigilant copyright infringement take downs on every major website on the planet, and bridog is right. That`s fine if it`s a hobby and your okay with writing/making your poetry/songs/films in your mom`s garage forever that only your 100 lame friends will ever listen to/watch. I`ve worked in the music industry, anyone who supports copyright infringement is either completely irrelevant and usually gone in a year or two and is using it as a statement to get more people to buy their merch/go to shows (because they don`t sell any albums anyway) or they`re already really established artists who don`t need major advertising anymore.
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    Yeahhhhhhhhh Male 18-29
    105 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 8:15 am
    7 years ago, you couldn`t stream TV shows (free) or movies (paid subscriptions) online legally. 10 years ago you couldn`t download 1-2 songs, legally, because you liked that one track as opposed to the whole cd. piracy has pushed corporations to evolve with recent technology, it may not be pretty, but it HAS created results.

    I don`t think that piracy had anything to do with the change in times, it was just time itself. It is what happens, 7 years ago most of the stuff online that was subscription service was still pirated material, hell I catch Wal-mart selling bootleg dvds all the time in their $1 bins. Piracy has been around for longer than you guys think. You couldn`t do many of these things because it was illegal (it still is today, unless you use netflix or hulu or something.) Most companies are slow when it comes to making huge decisions like switching from dvd to streaming. Youtube is probably what helped more than anything to get streaming movies and tv shows.
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    chrn368 Male 18-29
    174 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 8:19 am
    And one just needs to look at music sales from 20 years ago and then compare them to now to see how piracy is detrimentally affecting the entertainment industry. Pretty much renders the "people wouldn`t buy it anyway argument" invalid because if you look at the numbers is very clearly shows that if there was not a free easy option to obtain it, a LOT more people would in fact buy it. Just FYI they`ve lost about 50 percent of their profits in the last ten years. This is also part of the reason music these days generally sucks a lot more. Record companies are losing so much money to piracy that they`re completely unwilling to take risks on signing independent artists anymore, and that`s why you see so much carbon copied crap around and very little innovation.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
    1674 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 8:58 am
    @Corpsecrank
    "So do they really want me to stop demoing the games they want to sell me? "

    You mean demo-ing without their permissiong, then yes, they do.


    "I have no problem finding other means of entertainment if they do"

    Obvioiusly you do - they have you addicted.
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    Yeahhhhhhhhh Male 18-29
    105 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 9:43 am
    @corpsecrank

    See this is the arugment about piracy that I really hate. You have the options to rent stuff in case you want to try it before you buy it. You`re the prime example of someone trying to justify their stealing.
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    Yeahhhhhhhhh Male 18-29
    105 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 9:52 am
    @stonardsftw

    You are still stealing poo. They have something called demos that are used as trial periods dumbass. If you really don`t like EA`s practices bitch at them or don`t buy their products anymore. You also are trying to justify your stealing. Also the DLC is so developers can still make their money. Its to drat over Gamestop, without the DLC most developers would not get paid after completing the game, maybe some royalites from sales, but that is about all. Even if you buy it after you downloaded it, you still downloaded it and lost them a sale, buying it afterwards in no way shape or form fixes that loss and maybe the thousands of other losses.
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    WalkinAftr12 Female 18-29
    169 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 11:11 am
    I think the one thing that justifies stealing music/games/etc would be the ridiculously high prices that go along with legally buying whatever it is in question. I feel no remorse.
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    kingdomCome Male 18-29
    338 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 11:23 am
    I think the record companies need to accept that people will only pay what they believe to be a fair price. The sales figures and production costs are too easily available for the average consumer to be unaware of the huge profits production companies make from video games/music. When that info is at your fingertips, "what difference will one illegal copy make" is often the response.
    Yes you can make the argument that "only one copy" turns into many thousands of copies, but that`s ignoring the source of the problem, it is always a case of "only one copy".
    Strongarm tactics by producers doesn`t work (and often turns people against the producers). Prolific infringement can cause harm (although this damage is obviously exaggerated by one side of the fence and understated by the other).
    The answer is likely to be in the form of alternative income source for the producers (along the lines of free distribution of a basic game with dlc costing, or adv
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    kingdomCome Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 11:24 am
    *advertisements packaged with music downloads etc
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
    1674 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    $WalkinAftr12
    And what justifies the high prices is the ridiculousness amount of pirating hat takes money away from the companies.

    it`s a vicious circle where companies use the pirating excuse to "justify" the high prices and "consumers" use the high prices as an excuse to "justify" pirating.
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
    937 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    "If you really don`t like EA`s practices bitch at them or don`t buy their products anymore."

    um..thats the point...we dont buy their products anymore. We download them for free instead. If EA doesnt like our practices then maybe they should do something about their products that arent worth buying instead of just complaining.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
    1674 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 3:56 pm
    @skullgrin if the`re not worth buying, why do you waste your precious time downloading and playing them?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 8:21 pm
    This makes no sense to me

    That`s because you didn`t read the post you`re replying to, obviously. Which is to be expected from anyone who takes either of the extreme positions I referred to - neither side wants facts, rational argument or any realism to get in the way of their favoured position.

    Also, you didn`t even bother to get the quoting vaguely close to being correct. Well, either you didn`t bother or you deliberately misrepresented it in a very clumsy way.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 8:24 pm
    Sure they might still make some money off of it, but compare this to all the money they could be making if piracy was not around.

    Might be more, might be less, might be no different. That comparison can`t be reliably made - there are reasons why it would be more and there are reasons why it would be less. It`s only a clear-cut issue to the faithful on both sides, who don`t need or want evidence.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    Even if you buy it after you downloaded it, you still downloaded it and lost them a sale, buying it afterwards in no way shape or form fixes that loss

    Thanks for such a perfect example of how ridiculous your side is. Faith has made you totally irrational - buying a game "in no way shape or form" fixes the "loss" of not buying the game? Seriously? You think that makes sense?

    Maybe you`re a dedicated pirate who has faith that piracy is pure goodness and enlightenment and who is posing as the opposite position to make it look bad. That would make some sense.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 8:39 pm
    I think the one thing that justifies stealing music/games/etc would be the ridiculously high prices that go along with legally buying whatever it is in question.

    I think that games aren`t really all that expensive. The cost per hour of entertainment is quite low if the game is any good.

    What`s much worse is the blatant ripping off of customers and control freakery by things such as including physical distribution costs in downloaded copies (a publisher can make 5 times as much profit from a downloaded copy as from a boxed retail copy), taking parts out of the game so it can be sold as DLC to inflate the price, taking control of when and if anyone is allowed to play the game and passing renting off as buying while charging for buying (using piracy as an excuse - nice touch) and killing the second hand market (which promoted the whole bloody industry - idiots).
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 8:42 pm
    And what justifies the high prices is the ridiculousness amount of pirating hat takes money away from the companies.

    Which is why PS3 games (very little or no piracy) have always been so very much cheaper than Xbox360 games (lots of piracy).

    No, wait, they`re about the same price.

    Piracy isn`t the cause of the price of games. It`s the excuse used for it, which isn`t the same thing at all.

    The games industry must love piracy - it gives them a catch-all excuse to do anything.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 8:51 pm
    [quote">And one just needs to look at music sales from 20 years ago and then compare them to now to see how piracy is detrimentally affecting the entertainment industry.[/quote">

    No, you need to look at the whole entertainment industry over that period and look at it in the context of the whole economy (obviously, when the economy is bad people spend less money on entertainment).

    The entertainment industry is one of the most profitable in the USA.

    Fortune 500 Top Performing Industries

    Even if the music industry has lost 50% of its profits (and I won`t take your word for that without any supporting evidence), that wouldn`t be the result of piracy if people were spending more on videos and games instead of music.

    Hang on...are you only counting music CD sales?
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
    1674 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    @Angilion you really are obtuse aren`t you? Or do you just not bother to read the whole post you`re quoting?
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 10:45 am
    good EA has turned into a poohole of a company.. i hope they die

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