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214 Responses to Confirmed: Obama`s Birth Certificate Not Authentic

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    madduck Female 50-59
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    May 6, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    Link: Confirmed: Obama`s Birth Certificate Not Authentic - Is this more tinfoil hattage?
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    "Is this more tinfoil hattage?"
    Yes.
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    Bdan Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:07 pm
    You guys spend 2200 hours investigating this?? American politics frighten me.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:12 pm
    Wow, she has been on it all night.
    Reporters, Y U NO spend weeks or even months researching before you open you`re mount on these issues that has been talked about for years.
    This is old news. And what they brought up I remember watching several youtube videos explaining every artifact in depth.
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    scttydsntknw Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:15 pm
    these people evidently don`t understand the full power of photoshop...i don`t care if you have a computer built document or a scanned document with photoshop you can take apart everything...and these fools are saying because they can do that, that the file is fake...they need to go to a photoshop class...
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    rachaldenise Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:17 pm
    FFS >.<
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    Buzzard250 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:18 pm
    How the hell do you become the "most powerful man" in America and not have a background check. The dissenters are idiots.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:19 pm
    wait. how does the word "confirmed" in the title mesh with terms like "suspect" and "believe"? This is nothing new...just more tin-foil hattery.
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:24 pm
    Right before the presidential elections... it`s like they really did not wanted Obama to defend himself at all.

    Tea party buttlicker: "Now he will be way to busy to see what`s comming."

    Sarah `Burns` Palin: "Excelent"
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:26 pm
    Confirmed: IAB has hit rock bottom.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:31 pm
    Are they still blathering about the scanning artefacts, e.g. layers? I`m mildly curious, but not enough to watch the video. Firstly, I think it`s wildly implausible that he`d have been nominated if there was any doubt (does anyone think he wasn`t checked out in every possible way beforehand?) and secondly, I don`t care where he was born. A citizen of the USA was elected to be president of the USA - that`ll do for me.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:35 pm
    Where`s Romney`s birth certificate? His dad was born in Mexico and spent his first five years there in a polygamous colony. His great-grandfather left the US with his family to escape persecution against polygamy.
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    mye Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:35 pm
    so what good comes from proving he`s not born in USA....we would be and forever be known as the most corrupt government in the world... So much for us trying to help stabilize democracy in the eyes of the world
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    ElectricEye Male 50-59
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    Wasn`t this discussed in a post before?
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    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:44 pm
    I read "confirmed" then xed out as soon as I heard the word "suspects" lol
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:53 pm
    If someone wanted to forge a birth certificate from 50 years ago, they wouldn`t "create it on the computer." They would first create a physical fake and then scan it in.

    Flatbed scanners are far from perfect anyway. As Angilion said, they add artifacts to the image.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:54 pm
    So the United States of America goes to the history books as the only country to elect a president not born in the country.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:55 pm
    "His great-grandfather left the US with his family to escape persecution against polygamy."

    That sentence made it sound like his great-grandfather himself left the US to personally escape persecution. That is not what I meant. From what it says on Wiki he fled the United States with their children owing to the federal government`s prosecution of polygamy.
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    spultra13 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:56 pm
    Are you serious dude? You think that would qualify us for the title of MOST CORRUPT? HAVE YOU HEARD OF NORTH KOREA MOTHAdratA?
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    KitFox Female 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:56 pm
    Joe Arpaio is a grade A douchebag who should be tried for crimes against humanity. Being sheriff of Maricopa county in Arizona, he`s been known to parade prisoners in pink jumpsuits through the town and will racially profile the ass off anyone who`s not an obese, white, Christian, gun-toting piece of poo like himself. Oh yeah, and he`s been known to join up with Steven Segal and bulldoze SUSPECTED drug dealers` houses with an effing tank and kill puppies in the process. Vile. scum.
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    techgeek07 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    I`m going to form a group against the abuse of dead horses
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:01 pm
    "So the United States of America goes to the history books as the only country to elect a president not born in the country."

    What are you talking about Mitt`s father lost his presidential run?
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    It really doesn`t matter, even if you do get rid of that maniac, another one till take his place, he`s just a puppet...
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:22 pm
    So some "volunteers" working for an elected sheriff decides evidence "may" exist to "suggest" fraud and all these people get their knockers in a knot. Another slow day for news.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:24 pm
    The the long-form birth certificate he released was such an obvious, amateurish forgery it had to be a troll. He wanted people screaming that it was fake so he could slander them as being nut-case conspiracy theorists.

    The fact is, he probably was born in Hawaii, but he`s getting more mileage from the controversy.
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    Ston Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:24 pm
    What a waste of taxpayer`s money. Would be infinitely cheaper to send a request to Hawaii`s Department of Health. In fact, they have the instructions on their website.website. "It`s computer generated" - sure, so is mine. And probably everyone else in the US. Scan in the original, transfer the important data (anything hand-written)as-is to a base template, OCR software to fill in the rest, double-check for errors in OCR, then put original paper copy in a safe environment for long-term storage. Probably happened 15-20 years ago for most of the US. For the last 10 years or so, most birth certificates are completely electronic. There`s never a paper original.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    This thing is so weird..,

    When Obama came to this country, I`m assuming they checked his documents. How did he gain entry into the country? This would be on an government database. Obama was employed prior to being president, so he must have a social security number or a work visa. If he was born in the US, a SS# is issued immediately. If he applied and got a SS# later in life, there is a record of that. When and where was his SS# issued? If he went the visa route and then get naturalized, a record of that process is on an immigration database. And I`m guessing he has a US passport. How did he get a passport if he couldn`t prove he`s a citizen? also doesn`t the birth certificate issuance record exist in some government database too?

    Why is this on TV? It seems there would be no way he is an immigrant.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    OldOllie is a Birther. Not a surprise.
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    Ston Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:32 pm
    @Angelmassb: I`m sure there`s plenty of countries out there that have elected presidents that may not have been born in that country.

    Of course, when you`re "elected" to "President-for-life" after a political coup ... but hey, still elected president.

    Besides, the first 7 presidents of the US were not born in the US. Mainly because the US didn`t exist yet.
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    blobby5 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:32 pm
    Uh, I saw that video they showed a clip from weeks ago. This "confirms" nothing except that some people are still doubting.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:34 pm
    How the hell do you become the "most powerful man" in America and not have a background check.

    That`s a great question, Buzzard. The sad fact is, though, thanks to supportive media and gullible voters, Obama actually pulled it off. We know next to nothing about this guy. Medical records? No. College transcripts? No. Memberships? No. Financial dealings? No. Hope and change? Oh hell yeah! We got that comin` out of our @$$es!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:35 pm
    This is old old old.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:36 pm
    The fact is, he probably was born in Hawaii, but he`s getting more mileage from the controversy.
    markust123 is not a very good reader. No surprise there, either.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:42 pm
    You said the the long form birth certificate is a forgery OldOllie. That makes you a Birther. It does explain all the ridiculously partisan things you say.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:54 pm
    I saw nothing. Literally nothing. And this comes from Arizona? No surprise. Stopped funding for Planned Parenthood, women are all pregnant before actually getting pregnant, if you`re brown you better have ID or else the cops will stop ya, and now this? LOL that whole state has gone to hell.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:54 pm
    soa well known RACIST sheriff sys it isn`t rel so that means it`s true?

    I would like to know what gave the sheriff the authority to use tax payer dollars (hundreds of thousands of them if you add up everything they did n the 2,200 hours) to do this crap?

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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:56 pm
    2,200 hours
    an entire police department


    TAX PAYER DOLLARS by the hundreds of thousands used in this "investigation" for which they had no cause to run...no jurisdiction and no mandate from their charter.

    this sheriff just wasted hundreds of thousands of man hours and tax dollars running this side show...

    that pisses me off plenty.

    I think it is time to investigate this sheriff and find out how many laws he broke using tax payer funds for this little project.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:56 pm
    Some of you guys on the right really need to get your act together here. You`re sacrificing your credibility by buying into these ridiculous conspiracies right now.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:57 pm
    markust123, you have no arguments other than slander. That makes you a Kool-Aid-drinking liberal prick.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 8:57 pm
    OldOllie

    what most of us hear when you speak

    "blah blah blah racist comment blah blah blah Obama is the devil blah blah blah..."
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:00 pm
    So far, the pro-Obama libs have offered NOTHING in response to these charges except slander. If that`s all you`ve got, it`s pretty weak.
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    bridog6996 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    The only thing of any note in this clip is that smokin hot blonde milf reporter.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:11 pm
    Old Ollie: "So far, the pro-Obama libs have offered NOTHING in response to these charges...."

    Except he produced his BC. The only ones who claim it`s not authentic are the right-wing nutbags who keep claiming they`re about to prove he`s not American. This has been going on for years, and we`re still waiting.....
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:15 pm
    Old Ollie: "you have no arguments other than slander."

    LMFAO!! Do you even know what the definition of "slander" is? It`s making a false accusation based on rumor without proof. Pot...meet kettle, Dummy.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    jtrebowski, you only serve to prove my point.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:20 pm
    I think on one thread, Old Ollie claimed to be college educated, or a member of mensa, or something. Seeing that he doesn`t realize that he doesn`t recognize what "slander" is, I don`t think that`s even remotely believable. At least not without proof, anyway.
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    korahn Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    Fox News must be having a field day.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    OldOllie

    I`m not a liberal. I am something far more dangerous to your far right wing party. I am a Ron Paul supporter and an highly educated person.

    That means BS like the type that comes from you and your party members is ignored by me and those like me in favor of information that matters.

    now, go put your tinfoil hat back on, flip on Fox and let Hannity tell you what to think.

    NEXT!
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    OldOllie, Sheriff Arpaio is questioning the authenticity of the birth certificate based on his (and, presumably, his investigators`) misunderstanding of PDF artifacts. If I could provide you with a link to a story from some source you trusted--oh, say, like FOX News--that clears this misunderstanding up, would that help?

    Voila. =^.^=
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    mrtatulas Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:29 pm
    Arpaio has found no new evidence since the previous allegation, by Mara Zebest... which was beautifully and utterly debunked here.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:29 pm
    jtrebowski: " Old Ollie, you don`t even know the meaning of the word "slander," you racist, birther, dummy!"

    And you would refuse to accept incontrovertible proof if jumped up and bit you in the @$$.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:31 pm
    Obama 2012....
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    Arazekiel Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:39 pm
    if it is true life, no parole as a terrorist act.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:40 pm
    jamie76, I`ve been a libertarian since before you were born, and I was an objectivist before the Libertarian Party was even formed. I disagree with conservatives on a number of issues, but I disagree with liberals on nearly ALL issues.

    However, political philosophy has f*** all to do with the fact that the document Obama released is an obvious fake. Now, I actually DO believe Obama is a natural born citizen, but that, too, has f*** all to do with the authenticity of the document. I think it a deliberate TROLL to stir up a big controversy so libs can fling their poo at the conservatives who are being trolled into getting "all wee-wee`d up" over it.

    Anyone who refuses even to CONSIDER the authenticity of the document is a closed-minded fool.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:43 pm
    `I think it a deliberate TROLL to stir up a big controversy so libs can fling their poo at the conservatives who are being trolled into getting "all wee-wee`d up" over it.`

    Wow, you out-crazied the crazy people with that theory. Two layers of tin foil.
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    mon360 Male 13-17
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:44 pm
    OH MY GOodness
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    BBJellyFish Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:45 pm
    This is on Fox 5 news??? Something`s not right. . .
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:46 pm
    OldOllie, are you seriously going to use the "lol it`s actually liberals making this controversy to make conservatives look bad" argument? Terribly weak argument, sorry. Prove that it`s an "obvious fake". If it`s so obvious, it should be pretty easy to prove, hm?
    Btw, Obama not (seeming to) being a natural born citizen HURTS Obama politically. Only a complete moron who wants to lose the election would purposefully make up such a controversy.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:46 pm
    Birtherism, a visual distillation:



    Somebody call Trump quick, I think he`s gonna catch his tail this time!
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:48 pm
    Suddenly, this thread gets a WHOLE lot more entertaining:

    I actually DO believe Obama is a natural born citizen, but that, too, has f*** all to do with the authenticity of the document. I think it a deliberate TROLL to stir up a big controversy so libs can fling their poo at the conservatives who are being trolled into getting "all wee-wee`d up" over it.

    I thought there was nothing nuttier than squirrel poo, but clearly I was mistaken.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm
    Squrlz4Sale, I`ve seen a number of attempts to debunk the charge that the document is fake, and they are all incredibly weak propaganda from left-wing Obama apologists. And while I do watch Fox News, I don`t believe everything they say.

    I do know a little about these so-called PDF artifacts, and if you seriously believe they just threw a hard copy of his birth certificate onto a scanner, hit "Save as PDF," and ended up with the file he posted, you`re a fapping idiot.
  62. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:52 pm
    @QueenZira: You better redirect that bunny counterclockwise so he can even out his treadwear. =^.^=
  63. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2012 at 9:56 pm
    Prove that it`s an "obvious fake". If it`s so obvious, it should be pretty easy to prove, hm?
    It`s already been proven. You just refuse to look at the evidence with an open mind.

    (LillianDulci sticks fingers in ears: "La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la...")

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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 10:02 pm
    ;-) @ Squrlz. And I just couldn`t resist- I love the rage faces.

    Guy comes up with Birther holy grail?


    Watch out guys, we`re dealing with a Bada$$ over here.
  65. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 10:03 pm
    "It`s already been proven. You just refuse to look at the evidence with an open mind. "

    Provide the proof. A link with a simple and valid explanation, perhaps? Because you`re simply asserting that it`s been proven fake as if it`s a fact without providing any proof.

    But then again, you`re the same guy who was going on about "why was Trayvon even in the neighborhood" for quite a while after everyone knew why he was there, so I shouldn`t really expect you to have done any kind of research on this.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 10:07 pm
    "But then again, you`re the same guy who was going on about "why was Trayvon even in the neighborhood" for quite a while after everyone knew why he was there, so I shouldn`t really expect you to have done any kind of research on this."

    I`m not supporting him, but I just want to point out that your use of ad hominem makes for just as weak of an argument as his proof-less accusation. If you`re going to be on your little pretentious, self-righteous soapbox, then at least do so with some class.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 10:13 pm
    I do want to point out that IF his certificate is faked, then he should face very serious consequences. I doubt it is fake, though, and if it were, I bet he would just get off. Back in the day,this would be considered treason, though.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 10:15 pm
    @Eddy: First, take a deep breath. Then, reread your post and see if the phrase "Pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind.

    Let`s all take a chill-pill. I apologize for the squirrel poop reference.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2012 at 10:23 pm
    "I apologize for the squirrel poop reference."

    But that was the funniest thing in this post.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 10:23 pm
    Either Obama is gonna be outted after his time as president is up, or this Sheriff is gonna mysteriously die.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2012 at 10:29 pm
    Actually, I`m hoping that Obama holds on till he gets defeated for reelection, and THEN it`s proven that he never was eligible for office in the first place. If that happens, all the laws he signed, including Obamacare, and all the judges he appointed, including Kagan and Sotomayor, would all be thrown the f*** out!

    I know it isn`t going to happen, but I guy can dream, can`t he?
  72. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2012 at 10:32 pm
    @LillianDulci You want proof? Here ya go.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 10:35 pm
    I`m still amazed that people buy into this horsepucky at all. We even had a majority conservative SCOTUS throw out a Birther case in `08 because it was a Frivolous Lawsuit, a waste of taxpayer time and money and brain cells and yet the zombie argument remains.

    I`ll tell you what wingnuts, this will be true as soon as you believe JFK was shot by Bigfoot, who was then summarily abducted by Aliens.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 10:57 pm
    I personally don`t care if he`s even a citizen or not. He`s a damn good president and that is all that matters. the whole `you must be a us citizen from birth` thing is bullpoo anyway. If somebody is a good president, then they are a good president and thus good for the country. There is no getting around that.

    Considering the poo that he is dealing with, I`d say he is doing a damn fine job.

    Think of this, do you think Lincoln would be considered such a great president if he had to deal with the aftermath of everything? probably not, thus getting shot was probably the best thing that ever happened to his reputation.
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 11:03 pm
    @LillianDulci
    You`re wasting your time.

    @OldOllie

    If you go through those links, they just prove the certificate is real.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 11:05 pm
    OldOllie, your proof is about as authentic as those other tin-foil wearers, the alien fanatics.

    They have TONS of videos of "unexplained" phenomenon, but whenever someone refutes the claims, they stick to their guns with "but my proof is proof, your proof is just blinding yourself and saying mine isn`t proof, so it`s not proof of anything..." and a descent into incoherent and pointless crap.

    Of course, you START in the "incoherent and pointless crap" phase, so there` no real point to this.

    The dead horse has already been buried, Birthers. Quit being f*cking idiots.
  77. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 11:08 pm
    "@LillianDulci You want proof? Here ya go."

    Proof that you don`t have proof, just as I thought. ^^
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 11:17 pm
    I will say, Ollie, that your proof proves one thing:

    Right-wing conspiracy theory nuts have NO CLUE how to work a computer with any degree of competency.

    I mean, look at the third video.

    The guy knew how to use Illustrator to separate the layers (which, BTW, could have been made by, I dunno, a computer compressing and preparing the document for uploading to the net? Might explain the randomness of the layers and the fact that all the white parts line up with the text and random blotches...), but apparently had no clue how to work a screen-recording program.
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    pigsnout5 Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2012 at 11:23 pm
    um isnt this old news? like 2 years ago old news? if it actually was a fake document he would have been impeached then. get over it already iab! he`s staying as president.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2012 at 11:25 pm
    "@Eddy: First, take a deep breath. Then, reread your post and see if the phrase "Pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind." Haha, I know full well what I did when I wrote it. I don`t act all pretentious about things like Lillian does, though. Also, I`m always calm. I don`t really get mad over what you guys say, sorry.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 11:26 pm
    "I personally don`t care if he`s even a citizen or not. He`s a damn good president and that is all that matters." Oh lawd no. Even other democrats wouldn`t agree with that statement.
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    DasUberPoop Male 30-39
    209 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 11:29 pm
    Oh, thanks for putting this up. Thanks TONS. The misleading headline? Even better. Instead of (NSFW) can you just put (BLATANT LIE) after this drivel? Kthxbai.
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    DasUberPoop Male 30-39
    209 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 11:31 pm
    BTW...this was "breaking" Arizona "news" more than a MONTH ago. Huffpo at least lifts this crap within a few days. Stick to pictures of kitties and fart jokes.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
    1268 posts
    May 6, 2012 at 11:37 pm
    "The fact is, he probably was born in Hawaii, but he`s getting more mileage from the controversy."

    Thank you OldOllie. The only episode of South Park I really remember is the one where "The Gov" wants conspiracy nutcase poo about 9/11. Make`s the gov look a lot smarter than they really are. Obama probably laughs at night thinking about how there are still people who believe this birth cert poo just so he can call them on it.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2012 at 12:06 am
    Already covered here. Anything else?

    Interesting theory that the Democrats are planting the "birthers" to try to discredit the Republicans as a bunch of wacko nutjobs.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 12:23 am
    as much as i hate obama this is just stupidity at its worst
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2012 at 1:02 am
    "He`s a damn good president and that is all that matters."

    Thanks. I just poo myself laughing.
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    bataleon27 Male 18-29
    1178 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 1:18 am
    "Confirmed: Obama`s Birth Certificate Not Authentic. Is this more tinfoil hattage?"

    Well it`s clearly not confirmed is it... The first thing they said was that the guy suspected it was fake. He believes it to be fake, but the investigation is still ongoing...
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    Selous Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2012 at 1:19 am
    yawn, i just fell asleep
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    whapitoot Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 2:29 am
    Continued...

    ..as they know it would be subjected to?


    So if that doesn`t make sense, that whats the other option? Oh yeah, its real.

    FFS! Why is it when you guys (birthers) hear hooves, you think zebras? If it sounds like a horse, it`s most likely a horse.
  91. Profile photo of whapitoot
    whapitoot Male 18-29
    81 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 2:29 am
    ...Ok. So lets assume that it is a fake..

    Who made it? Well if it`s been officially released by the government then someone created it in the official/unofficial quagmire of covert operations.

    So in other words, some high-up dude was given the task of creating a fake BC to try to stop an extremely embarrasing case of fraud at the highest level of government going public.

    So let us presume, just for kicks, that this guy was provided with a more-than-modest budget & access to grade-A computer nerds that could do a bit more than code their way out of a paper bag...

    At what point would this arrangement actually create a document that could be taken apart by a bunch of `volunteers.`

    In the grand of words of our own governmental embarrasment, Maggie Tatcher; NO NO NO NO!

    So assuming that it was created as such, then surely would it not be absolutely fool-proof, a perfect creation that would hold up to any form of expertise...
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    Samsquanch Male 30-39
    792 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 3:16 am
    Oh my God! Who gives a drat?! I mean, really who gives a drat? He`s been your president for the past 4 years...and you think that NOW that`s all going to change? It`s a retarded rule you guys have anyways. Written in to keep out British Loyalists. Don`t worry guys, I don`t think Obama`s going to renounce your independence anytime.
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    morimacil123 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 3:23 am
    Even assuming that it IS fake, who the hell cares?
    Plus, who really thinks that if this really was a "fake", it wouldnt actually be real? If its made by the government, by definition, it cant be fake. Just like if the governement suddenly decides to set up a printing press, and make a bunch of 100$ bills, those will not be "fake", those will be actual dollar bills. The governement makes the actual dollar bills, and birth certificates, if they make some more, that doesnt make them fake, they are as real as the others.
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    ecstacy911 Female 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 4:04 am
    Do they not realize how racist and bigoted they sound?
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2012 at 4:05 am
    Yeah, I`m not gonna watch this and move along if it`s all the same to you.
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    uberrogo Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2012 at 4:43 am
    Too late now, hes been president for quite some time.
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    furrything Male 50-59
    1347 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 5:01 am
    Joe Arpaio.... a REAL American! As for `Morimacil`....what the hell is wrong with you???!!
    "Who the hell cares?" Jesus wept....no wonder you lot are so much in the poo! What an attitude.
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    andybme Male 50-59
    296 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 5:25 am
    blah blah blah What would you expect from right wing Joe and his merry band of right wing investigators. If they were lefties this would have come out just the opposite. Also, this story is over two months old.
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    daverazor Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2012 at 5:29 am
    @furrything- you said poo
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2012 at 5:39 am
    Well, I have to say they`re not as crazy as the 9/11 truthers, but they`re still a few sandwiches shy of a picnic.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 5:40 am
    Samsquanch:
    "Oh my God! Who gives a drat?! I mean, really who gives a drat? He`s been your president for the past 4 years...and you think that NOW that`s all going to change? It`s a retarded rule you guys have anyways. Written in to keep out British Loyalists. Don`t worry guys, I don`t think Obama`s going to renounce your independence anytime."
    --------------
    +1 on this.
    I consider myself so lucky to have been born slightly North of that boarder. Where we live in the real "Land of the Free" and not that fake one, with blinders on, just south of here. Luckily, half of you can see it. It`s the right wing nut jobs, who have been blinded with daily patriotic brainwashing, that I feel sorry for.
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    Paot1 Male 18-29
    28 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 6:02 am
    Being the said little brother to the states seems so much better.
  103. Profile photo of Scuzoid
    Scuzoid Male 30-39
    1268 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 6:11 am
    "It`s the right wing nut jobs, who have been blinded with daily patriotic brainwashing"

    There are just as many left wing socialists in america who think the government doesn`t regulate much of their daily life. I knew two ultra-lib pacifists who easily loved the country they were born in more than anyone else I`ve ever known.

    Personal social doctrine has very little to do with how passionate one will be in regards to what it is their government will allow them to do.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
    1268 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 6:14 am
    Also, am I the only one who thinks there are a number of people here with troll accounts, almost all of which are little more than a new handle and a new country tag? I mean, really, seems like there`s constantly this trite "Imma say this and it`ll matter/rage more if I pretend I`m from here."
  105. Profile photo of herpaderp062
    herpaderp062 Male 18-29
    49 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 6:14 am
    Wait, how could he have "proved his point" if he "set out to prove the document was authentic?"

    I think the person who uploaded this post should go back and look up the definition of "confirmed."
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    NILE12 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 6:19 am
    @herpaderp062
    herpderp my IQ is 42
  107. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 6:29 am
    Ollie: I think it a deliberate TROLL to stir up a big controversy so libs can fling their poo at the conservatives who are being trolled into getting "all wee-wee`d up" over it.

    This has been my stance on this issue for years.

    This "controversy" was a connived scheme to make republicans look like nuts. More importantly it`s disguised more important facts about Obama`s history like, where are his transcripts, grades, papers he wrote, who paid for his Harvard education and how did he get in Harvard in the first place?

    We may find out later, after his defeat this year, but he should`ve been vetted much better.
    I blame the media for not investigating his past back in 2007 and 2008.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 6:31 am
    @Lillian:

    Proof that you don`t have proof, just as I thought. ^^

    LOL. Very girlish, and I don`t mean that in a bad way. You once said something similar to me (I believe it was, "Well, you`ve just proved my point"--and I had) and it really made me chuckle.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2012 at 6:34 am
    When it was first released in .pdf format, someone noticed the first day that it was layered, it shouldn`t have layers.
  110. Profile photo of whapitoot
    whapitoot Male 18-29
    81 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 6:42 am
    CrakrJak; who paid for his Harvard education and how did he get in Harvard in the first place?

    His father was a senior governmental economist & he did a graduate fellowship in economics at Harvard. He also worked for an Oil company.

    So my guess is; His father paid for his tuition given he was a rich sonovabich & also got him into Harvard...

    You`re obviously extremely well versed on the matter, so please tell me, what organisations have you personally contacted requesting the other information pertaining to his education you seem to think is fraudulent? And what was their response?

    Or are you, like most numpteys; basing your information on FOX news?
  111. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3347 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 6:49 am
    let say it`s true
    what are you going to do rewind the past few years
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Crakr "how did he get in Harvard in the first place?"
    Affirmative Action.
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    mikesex Male 60-69
    120 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 7:23 am
    You mean USA could have had McCain/Palin? Hhmmmnnn....
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
    1582 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 7:25 am
    Doesn`t matter to me. If you can take steps and remove him in his last half a year go for it. If you can`t, I still don`t care. Not the first time a politician has lied and it certainly won`t be the last.
  115. Profile photo of Enjin
    Enjin Male 30-39
    802 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 7:35 am
    @whapitoot
    Actually he had scholarships and student loans just like everyone else. His father was not a big part of his life.
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    spuddington Male 18-29
    128 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 7:35 am
    turns out obama is 12
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2012 at 7:48 am
    I am sick of this arguement. I can`t stand Obama but the reality is that his mother was a citizen at the time of his birth, that makes him a natural born citizen regardless of where he was born according to the US Naturalization laws.

    Why waste time on this crap when there are plenty of real issues to address with the idoit currently insulting the office of the US President?
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 7:52 am
    Scuzoid:
    "Also, am I the only one who thinks there are a number of people here with troll accounts, almost all of which are little more than a new handle and a new country tag?"
    ---------

    Yup. It`s just you who thinks this. I`ve been a member here for 5 years. You`ve been around for what...One year?
  119. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 7:53 am
    This "controversy" was a connived scheme to make republicans look like nuts.
    Maybe I`m mistaken, but are you trying to say that Joe Arapio is a puppet of liberals?
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    May 7, 2012 at 8:12 am
    It always saddens me to see how many of my fellow Americans are complete and utter a$$h0les!
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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
    1239 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 8:18 am
    Have a look at Arizona and it`s not all that surprising. Place is full of nutters and bigots.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 8:24 am
    "Actually, I`m hoping that Obama holds on till he gets defeated for reelection, and THEN it`s proven that he never was eligible for office in the first place."

    What? But you said earlier that you think he is a citizen.
  123. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 8:31 am
    "his mother was a citizen at the time of his birth, that makes him a natural born citizen regardless of where he was born according to the US Naturalization laws."

    Go re-read the law, and try again.

    Mother and father do not have to be citizens for their child to be a naturally born US citizen. All that needs take place, is the baby must be born within the borders of the US, or a territory thereof.

    Conversely, if a child is born to an American mother and father in say, Kenya. That baby is Kenyan.
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 8:31 am

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    ashley6405 Female 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 9:27 am
    This makes me very sad to live in Arizona.
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    diylobotomy Male 18-29
    1832 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 9:31 am
    Who the drat cares about what a drating sheriff has to say? He`s been president for four years, shut the drat up already.
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    53590 Male 13-17
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    May 7, 2012 at 9:32 am
    I find it interesting that the general response to this defeat is to act like the contest was never important in the first place.

    It`s like (hypothetically) if Bush made a speech about how Killing Osama wasn`t all that important of a matter in the first place.

    Let me know if you need clarification on what I`m saying.
  128. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 9:41 am
    SHUTUP AND TAKE MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 9:43 am
    With Mormony or the Grinch, it`s the only hope they have.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 9:50 am
    The fact is, he probably was born in Hawaii, but he`s getting more mileage from the controversy.

    Hey maybe the Obama admin founded DailyNutWorld.
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    MichaelBored Male 40-49
    206 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 10:34 am
    "I blame the media for not investigating his past back in 2007 and 2008."

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Crakr made a funny! Which is impressive; humor is a difficult concept for people with no short term memory whatsoever.
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    BBJellyFish Male 18-29
    550 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 10:38 am
    @diylobotomy

    Since his birth cert is fake, that means someone with a LOT of power put him there. Also he doesn`t belong there. Not to mention he`s a sh/itty, sh/itty president.
  133. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 7, 2012 at 11:58 am
    Okay, all of you Kool-Aid-drinking liberal f***tards out there, here`s a challenge. Take ANY printed document, throw it on your scanner, and see if you can reproduce ANY of the artifacts in this image.

    Birth Certificate Artifacts.

    Also, please explain why Obama`s father`s race was listed as "African," which is not a race but a modern-day politically correct euphemism for "negro," the term that would have been used in 1961.

    You can check this against the original file. Just Google "birth-certificate -long-form.pdf" and get it straight from the White House web site.

    Time to put up or shut up, @$$holes.


  134. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 7, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    What? But you said earlier that you think he is a citizen.

    FoolsPrussia, what I believe is true and what I wish were true are not necessarily the same.
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    herpaderp062 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    "Take ANY printed document, throw it on your scanner, and see if you can reproduce ANY of the artifacts in this image."

    I`ll tell you what I can`t reproduce on a scanner: a birth-notice in a Hawaii newspaper announcing his birth that showed up Aug 4, 1961.

    Yeah, someone really powerful put him in the office of the President. Someone who can drating time travel.
  136. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 7, 2012 at 12:11 pm
    let say it`s true
    what are you going to do rewind the past few years
    The first thing we do is throw Kagan and Sotomayor off the Supreme Court along with all the other leftist judges he`s appointed. Then we rescind all the laws he`s signed and all the regulations his administration had foisted on us, and we fire everyone he`s hired. Finally, we claw back as much money as we can that he`s given away to his cronies and campaign contributors like all those fraudulent green energy boondoggles.

    And that`s just the first day.
  137. Profile photo of herpaderp062
    herpaderp062 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    @Gerry,

    Even IF he got into Harvard law school because of affirmative action, that doesn`t explain how he graduated with honors. Law school grading is 1) on a curve and 2) blind. He earned that.

    I`m sure you are going to say that we haven`t seen his transcript. Well, people get disbarred for misrepresenting their professional credentials and during the process to get barred, the candidate`s academic record is subject to intense scrutiny. Obama has not been disbarred. Therefore, Obama is not misrepresenting his academic record.

    Put up or shut up "all of you Kool-Aid-drinking f***tards out there."
  138. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 7, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    I`ll tell you what I can`t reproduce on a scanner: a birth-notice in a Hawaii newspaper announcing his birth that showed up Aug 4, 1961.
    Right, because they didn`t have international long distance telephone service in 1961, so there`s no way someone who had a baby overseas could have called the paper and ordered that announcement so her son could claim to be a citizen when he actually wasn`t.

    Also, there`s no way someone at the newspaper could have altered their archives, because, for one thing, everybody knows that newspapers are all run by conservative Republicans who would never do anything to support Obama`s claim.
  139. Profile photo of Neoptolemos
    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    Haha OldOllie, you crack me up.

    Tinfoil hats are gonna tinfoil
  140. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    Even IF he got into Harvard law school because of affirmative action, that doesn`t explain how he graduated with honors.
    You`re going to have to show some evidence. I think you just pulled that one out of your @$$.

    And do you seriously think the socialist ABA is going to go after one of their own? If their entire executive committee had incontrovertible proof that he wasn`t a citizen, they`d all cover for him, just like you are doing.

    You really are living in a fool`s paradise.
  141. Profile photo of herpaderp062
    herpaderp062 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    "4. For students who matriculated as of, or after, Fall Term 2008, the summa cum laude will be determined by the requirement of a 4.75 GPA. The honor is exact and does not involve "rounding off"; ie., a GPA of 4.749 does not result in a degree summa cum laude. If, in a given year, no student earns a GPA of 4.75 or higher, summa cum laude will be awarded to the student (or students in the case of a tie) with the highest overall GPA.

    5. The magna cum laude will be awarded to the next ten percent of the entire class."

    From the Harvard Law School website. He graduated in magna cum laude, which puts him in the top 10 percent. It is standard practice in every law school to grade blind and on a curve. Class rank is an important part of the process as firms require that information to screen prospective candidates. It is required that the information is included on your transcript for nearly every job to which you apply.

    I went to law school. <
  142. Profile photo of Neoptolemos
    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    Hahaha OldOllie stop it, stop it... you`re killing me!
  143. Profile photo of herpaderp062
    herpaderp062 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    As for the ISBA (each state is actually responsible for monitoring it`s members) not going after "one of their own", 1) they would have done it during the bar admission process, which was back in 1991, long before he was someone to give a poo about and 2) ask Bill Clinton, who was disbarred.
  144. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33070 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    (does anyone think he wasn`t checked out in every possible way beforehand?)
    @Angilion: this is from page 1, sorry if it`s already been addressed.
    In fact: NO! In the Democrat "vetting" process they asked where his birth certificate was. It`s required BY LAW eh? But wasn`t in Obama`s paperwork. Obama replied: "It`s in a safe in Hawaii" and the Dems said OK!
    So in fact his school papers, birth certificate and tons of other records are hidden from the public ON PURPOSE.

    "Most transparent President ever" LOLZ!
  145. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    For students who matriculated as of, or after, Fall Term >>2008<<
    And this has what to do with Obama?

    And of course, there`s no way Harvard would say anything about Obama that wasn`t true.

    Okay, we got grape or cherry Kool-Aid. What`s your poison?

    BTW, how are you all doing on that scanner challenge? You realize, of course, that if you can`t pass that, you lose.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33070 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    What a waste of taxpayer`s money. Would be infinitely cheaper to send a request to Hawaii`s Department of Health
    @Ston: You apparently have no idea of the history behind this story.
    Hawaii has NO RECORD of Obama being born there. No hospital records, no doctor`s records, none. The Governer of Hawaii, himself a Democrat who fully supports Obama, could NOT find anything!
    Being scanned does not explain why various objects are mis-formed, official stamps and such aren`t random: that they`re all fudged up on his "document" is suspicious to say the least!

    @paperduck: Obama`s family moved around a lot when he was young, but he always had US Citizenship. That`s not the issue here. There`s a very old Law that requires the President to actually be BORN in the USA. (Or to an Army Family serving abroad, like John MacCain).
  147. Profile photo of herpaderp062
    herpaderp062 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    I included section (4) because I`m sure you would have commented on the language "to the next ten percent" in section (5).

    I guess is is possible that 400 students had a GPA above a 4.75 and received a SCL designation the year that Obama graduated and his MCL designation actually placed him at the bottom of the class, even though, apparently, sometimes NOBODY graduates with a 4.75. If that happened, well, you win, Obama is an idiot.

    However, I think the burden is on YOU to show that was the case and that Obama was not, in fact, in the top 10% (+1) of his class.
  148. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33070 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 1:00 pm
    I would like to know what gave the sheriff the authority to use tax payer dollars
    @jamie76 you are wrong, as usual: ALL VOLUNTEERS! Not one penny of taxpayer money is involved. Get it?
    I saw nothing. Literally nothing.
    @Swoop: The altered stamps is nothing? I think that`s hard evidence that fakery is involved.
  149. Profile photo of herpaderp062
    herpaderp062 Male 18-29
    49 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    "BTW, how are you all doing on that scanner challenge? You realize, of course, that if you can`t pass that, you lose."

    Actually, no. In the face of all of the evidence, even if only circumstantial, that that the birth certificate if genuine, the burden is on you to prove that it is fake. And, simply suggesting that it is possible for it to have been faked is no evidence that it is, in fact, fake.

    Again, the ball is in your court. Prove that it happened, not simply that it was possible.

    As for my flavor of Kool-Aide, well, I prefer cherry but that is a moot point--it seems as though you have already drank it all.
  150. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33070 posts
    May 7, 2012 at 1:28 pm
    @herpa? @Ollie DID prove that parts of the certificate are fake. The liberals say "that`s because it`s scanned" which is false.
    @Ollie asked you to scan something and replicate the `artifacts` and the fact remains, you cannot.
    The fact is: it`s SO BADLY faked, one has to wonder who imagined it would `pass as real` in the first place? It could easily be true that Obama is playing this for votes, stranger things have happened!

    And it distracts from other, legitimate questions: where are his thesis papers (supposed to be public)? His grades? etc.
    Obama`s entire history is a mystery, but the MSM seems OK with that?
    The MSM investigated "Joe The Plumber" with a microscope! But the PotUS gets a free pass?

    Doesn`t that concern you even a little?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    Everyone supporting Obama seems to forget: They also tested a "control paper" in which NONE of the artifacts were found.

    Unless you can replicate these artifacts, the question of authenticity is valid.
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    herpaderp062 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    "And it distracts from other, legitimate questions: where are his thesis papers (supposed to be public)? His grades?"

    What are you talking about? It wasn`t a thesis, it was just a long capstone paper he had to write as an undergrad. I know mine aren`t public.

    As for a guy whose past is a "mystery", he`s written two books on the matter, years before he ever ran for office. I`m not sure there is a President that we have known MORE about.
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    Flashpacker Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 1:45 pm
    Does it really matter? i mean.. really, really?
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    Demynted Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2012 at 1:48 pm
    This needs to be viewed in context. Sheriff Joe Arpaio is currently under investigation for corruption and abuse of power. This sideshow is merely a pathetic attempt at distracting from his own investigation. Par for course coming from Arizona. Oh and FYI, for a state so hard up against immigration, my state issued ID card NEVER expires. Driver`s Licenses are good for at least 40 years. When you see Arizona, just point and laugh.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 2:23 pm
    patchgrabber: Releasing fake documents, while holding the real one in reserve, would easily keep people distracted from his other missing papers and information.

    A postal letter carrier has already signed an affidavit to the fact that he discussed Obama`s education with Bill Ayers parents and that they indeed did pay for his Harvard education. He even met Obama at their front door, who boasted at the time that he`d be President of the United States.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    Take ANY printed document, throw it on your scanner, and see if you can reproduce ANY of the artifacts in this image.

    That`s been done already, repeatedly. It`s not even a surprising thing - scanning a form and then converting formats is not as simple as the convenience of doing it makes it seem to be.
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    r66tramp Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 2:31 pm
    Everybody knows the guy was born in Gander, Newfoundland. There are loads of photos all over the interwebs that prove this.
  158. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    The fact is: it`s SO BADLY faked, one has to wonder who imagined it would `pass as real` in the first place?

    Believers say the same thing about the moon landings. They believe it, too, despite it being utter drivel completely contradicted by the evidence.

    This isn`t as clear because it isn`t so easy to prove it`s not a fake, but an extraordinary claim (that he was born elsewhere and nobody noticed, then they faked it all rather than just choosing someone else, back before he was known) needs extraordinary evidence to support it and there`s nothing much; some artefacts that could be caused by scanning and conversion from an old pre-printed form with typing on, e.g. layering and variations in shading. The possibly suspicious use of `African` instead of `Negro` - is that actually impossible for 1961?
  159. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    That`s been done already, repeatedly.
    @Angilion: Link please.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 4:11 pm
    It`s nice the lunatic fringe gets airtime.I mean,since they don`t cover Ron Paul..
  161. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    scanning a form and then converting formats is not as simple as the convenience of doing it makes it seem to be.

    The same can be said for copying an image in a computer.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 5:05 pm
    This was proved false last year by Snopes.

    The scanner used by Hawaii to copy the Birth Certificates uses character recognition software so that the text in the documents can be searchable. That is what is broke the file into multiple layers. But you morons already know this. You are just being asses.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 5:09 pm
    Snopes conclusion for people that don`t like to read long documents:

    "The "Cold Case Posse" investigation of Barack Obama`s birth certificate conducted by Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio produced no new evidence demonstrating that document to be a forgery. That entity`s report by Mara Zebest simply recycled old arguments that had long since been thoroughly debunked in detail."
  164. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    Right, because they didn`t have international long distance telephone service in 1961, so there`s no way someone who had a baby overseas could have called the paper and ordered that announcement so her son could claim to be a citizen when he actually wasn`t.

    Yeah if you had the money. The calls had to go through a cable submerged in the Atlantic Ocean, it wouldn`t be until one year later they had a satellite thanks to AT&T (which back then was the Bell Corporation).
  165. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2012 at 5:45 pm
    @Cajun: He was being sarcastic, eh? It surely WAS easily possible to phone or send a wireless telegram from Kenya to Hawaii at that time.

    So an anouncement printed in the paper =/= proof of Hawaiian birth.

    @markust: Snopes is self admittedly very liberal, just fyi...
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 5:45 pm
    "The possibly suspicious use of `African` instead of `Negro` - is that actually impossible for 1961?"

    His father was born in Africa. Hence the "Race of father" is listed as African.
  167. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    Snopes is self admittedly very liberal, just fyi...

    Strawman argument.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    "Snopes is self admittedly very liberal"

    Bullsh*t. Conservatives use it all the time to prove things wrong. You just can`t admit when you are wrong. It is an antisocial character flaw.
  169. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 5:50 pm
    It surely WAS easily possible to phone or send a wireless telegram from Kenya to Hawaii at that time.

    Not without:
    1)Risking your signal being cutout or garbled (submarine telephone wires were often accidently cut by fishing boats).
    2)Someone at the newspaper vetting the source.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 6:18 pm
    What I learned from the comments of this post is OldOllie, CrakrJak & 5Cats are Birthers - the craziest of the crazies. They are a mixture of partisan politics and conspiracy theories. That actually explains a lot. I`m making a mental note so I will hopefully refrain from getting sucked into their stupid arguments in the future.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2012 at 6:18 pm
    @cajun: I mean Obama`s MOM (or his Dad) called or wrote to the GRANDMA who lived in Hawaii!

    It`s the Grandma who placed the ad, we know that already. It`s not like a reporter sits in the hospital and reports on who gets born, eh? lolz!
  172. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    Right @Markust: Go look up "vast right-wing conspiracy" sometime.
    It was accepted as a fact for years; it was a big lie promoted by those nasty `right wingers` (who were Democrats actually)... until Bill admitted that, in fact, he DID have a mistress named Jennifer Flowers for almost a decade.

    Then tell me again how the MSM is always 100% correct. How completely un-biased it is! How a politician would NEVER EVER lie to get ahead!!
  173. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 6:30 pm
    @5Cats

    The newspaper would still ask Grandma where she got this information. There is simply no incentive for someone in Africa to call up Hawaii and deliberately misreport their son being born there.
  174. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 6:31 pm
    I`ll be back I need to sleep.
  175. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 6:32 pm
    @Angilion: Link please.

    Oh, come on now. There have been links posted on IAB, more than once. I know you`ve seen them. I also know that I could post a million links to a million videos of it and in the very next thread you`d be asking for links again, as if they didn`t exist.

    For the moon landings, I care enough to keep debunking the same things said by people who don`t care how often they are debunked because they know that repetition often works.

    For this, I don`t.
  176. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 7, 2012 at 6:42 pm
    the burden is on you to prove that it is fake.
    I just did. If your side cannot produce even a single shred of evidence to refute the evidence that I presented, the debate is over. You lose.
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    herpaderp062 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2012 at 7:34 pm
    @Ollie,

    Wrong. At BEST you showed that it may be possible to recreate a document electronically--a point which I am not conceding--and there are some points which cause you to think that it was.

    You have a lot to learn about the burden of proof. Try to take that poo into court and see how it works. Or even just take that poo to the court of public opinion and see how it works. Wait, it already has been brought in front of the court of public opinion, and it was laughed out of the conversation.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Go ahead with your conversation, I`m protected.


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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 8:08 pm
    Ollie, you still there? I wanna take up this challenge of yours, but not if you`ve already gone to sleep.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 7, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    I`m working, but I`m in and out. Hey, you can have the rest of the week to complete your assignment, though.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 8:39 pm
    @Ollie: Well, I wanted to see what it is in those images that you feel is the problem, artifact-wise, because I think I may have some insight that would help.

    Regarding the "African" thing, Snopes has covered that and I see no reason to doubt their explanation, viz:

    The space for "Race of Father" is filled in with the word "African," which was a commonly used descriptor for blacks who (like Barack Obama`s father) who were actually native-born Africans.

    So, can we set aside the "African" thing--or at least agree to disagree there---and focus on the artifacts? (IT is my profession, after all, not birth certificates.)
  182. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    @Ollie: Have to go to bed here. Favorited this post; I`ll try to pick this up again tomorrow.
  183. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2012 at 9:31 pm
    The newspaper would still ask Grandma where she got this information.
    @Cajun, you really need to goto sleep! lolz!
    It`s a classified ad!!! Fact checking in 1961 did NOT include birth announcements!!! In fact I seriously doubt it does in 2012 either, even with the internet making it so easy to do.
    Grandma fills out the ad form, pays the .15 cents (or whatever) and it gets printed, end of story!

    Oh, come on now. There have been links posted on IAB, more than once
    Nope, haven`t seen one single link to a site which explains the `artifacts` @OldOllie`s link shows. Honestly, not kidding.
    "Oh come on now"? From a guy who wanted links in a discussion about 1975 VW Rabbits? LOLZ!

    Moon landing hoax? How about the "vast rightwing conspiracy" too? Lets just lump EVERY kkokie idea on ONE side to make ourselves look better.
    PS: a majority of Democrat votes believe Bush masteminded 9/11...
  184. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 7, 2012 at 10:24 pm
    Regarding the "African" thing, Snopes has covered that and I see no reason to doubt their explanation, viz:
    Did you know that Snopes is just a married couple working out of their house, and they`re both liberal Democrats? You`re going to have to do better than that for an authoritative source. How about some images of other birth certificates from that era that used "African" as a race descriptor? Good luck with that.
  185. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 12:00 am
    "Did you know that Snopes is just a married couple working out of their house, and they`re both liberal Democrats? You`re going to have to do better than that for an authoritative source."

    Once again Snopes can be used to prove you are full of sh*t.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 12:06 am
    Because I know you won`t read the about Snopes link, "Barbara Mikkelson is a Canadian citizen and as such cannot vote in U.S. elections, register an affiliation with a U.S. political party, or donate to any U.S. political campaign or candidate. David Mikkelson is an American citizen whose participation in U.S. politics has never extended beyond periodically exercising his civic duty at the ballot box. David is a registered independent who has never donated to, or worked on behalf of, any political campaign or party. The Mikkelsons are wholly apolitical, vastly preferring their quiet scholarly lives in the company of their five cats to any political considerations."
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 12:10 am
    Squrlz4Sale, it`s not worth your time. You had an air tight argument there and OldOllie knows it so he used one of the tricks Karl Rove teaches, which is ignore the point and discredit the source.
  188. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 12:11 am
    5Cats: Mom and Dad in Africa still don`t have the incentive to call or write Grandma and say their son was born where Grandma lives.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 12:19 am
    His father was born in Africa. Hence the "Race of father" is listed as African. Two lines later under birthplace (for his father) is written Kenya, East Africa. There is no argument. You are being a troll at this point OldOllie.
  190. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 8, 2012 at 12:27 am
    @markust123 WOW, Barbara and David Mikkelson put up a page on their own site attesting to their own veracity. The fact is, there is NOTHING on that page, including the quote you copied and pasted here, that even disputes, let alone disproves, their left-wing political bias.

    She can`t vote. Does than mean she can`t think, either? Does she have no opinions? And he`s a registered independent. Well, so`s Bill O`Reilly. Does that prove he isn`t conservative?

    All you`ve done is prove to the world that you`re a gullible fool.
  191. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 8, 2012 at 12:37 am
    His father was born in Africa. Hence the "Race of father" is listed as African.
    My father was born in America, but they didn`t list his race as "American."

    Without regard to where Obama was born, that document he claims to be his original long-form birth certificate was unquestionably created on a computer using Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator. I`ve provided indisputable proof, and no one here has produced even a single shred of evidence to refute that fact. All I`ve gotten from your side is insults, name-calling, and mindless denials of the same mentality as:

    "The sun is hot."
    "No, it isn`t."

    "Water is wet."
    "No, it isn`t."

    "Grass is green."
    "No, it isn`t."

    "Poop stinks."
    "No, it doesn`t."

    Post some real, tangible evidence or STFU!
  192. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:04 am
    I`m not going to waste my time anymore OldOllie. Not sure why I did in the first place. You are a sad ridiculous troll. Obama was born in America. His birth certificate is real. You are a fool.
  193. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 6:54 am
    Hotair.com agrees with Snopes
  194. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 12:31 pm
    Mom and Dad in Africa still don`t have the incentive to call or write Grandma and say their son was born where Grandma lives.
    @Cajun: I never said they did, you`re the one getting all "conspiracy theory now!"
    Perhaps Grandma was savvy with the immigration process? Perhaps she thought that being born in Kenya might jepordize his US citizenship? idk, I wasn`t there, and Grandma died without talking about it.

    HotAir says that Obama got a paper copy of his LFBC, so which is it? The hospital has scanned it or the White House did? I thought the `explaination` for the artifacts was old scanning and re-formatting by the hospital?

    Neither explains the physical discrepencies within the document.
  195. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 8, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    I`m not going to waste my time anymore OldOllie. Not sure why I did in the first place. You are a sad ridiculous troll.
    Try that as a defense in court, and you`ll end up in prison.

    "Hotair.com agrees with Snopes"

    Wow! A bunch of liberals agree with 2 other liberals, and not one of them offers a even the tiniest shred of evidence to support their position. If gullible fools had their own version of Mensa, Cajun247 would be the LocSec.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 8, 2012 at 2:53 pm
    If you Obama apologists were in a high school debate class, not only would you have gotten an F on this assignment, they would have kicked you out of class, had you expelled from school, and called the cops to escort you off campus.

    I`m moving on to another thread. The reek of fail here is too putrid to endure.
  197. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:20 pm
    "conspiracy theory now!"

    ...and then you follow up with:

    Perhaps Grandma was savvy with the immigration process? Perhaps she thought that being born in Kenya might jepordize his US citizenship? idk, I wasn`t there, and Grandma died without talking about it.

    So tell me who`s got the real tinfoil hat?

    Neither explains the physical discrepencies within the document.

    Except that we already pointed out that duplication always causes artifacts to appear meaning OldOllie`s image is non-sequitor.

    Wow! A bunch of liberals agree with 2 other liberals, and not one of them offers a even the tiniest shred of evidence to support their position

    HotAir? Liberal? I`m shocked.
  198. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:23 pm
    If you Obama apologists were in a high school debate class, not only would you have gotten an F on this assignment, they would have kicked you out of class, had you expelled from school, and called the cops to escort you off campus.


    You`ve already been escorted off-campus, then fined for disturbing the peace.
  199. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:23 pm
    Seriously how is saying mommy and daddy "don`t have motive" saying conspiracy theory? It`s called skepticism. OldOllie is so biased he`ll call anyone who disagree as a full of 5h17 liberal. He`s far too biased for any conversation.
  200. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:28 pm
    If gullible fools had their own version of Mensa, Cajun247 would be the LocSec.

    Look who`s talkin.
  201. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    @Cajun: Mom and Dad Obama phone or telegram Grandma about BHO`s birth. Perfectly normal! However, this assumes he was indeed born in Kenya, not Hawaii.
    Grandma, happily announces the birth in the local paper. Again, perfectly normal.
    For whatever reason, (the conspiracy goes) it is anounced that BHO was born in a local hospital.

    NOW: The LFBC as presented is:
    scanned using old methods and converted, causing artifacts.
    BUT: HotAir (your link) reports that BHO`s lawyer got a paper origional of the LFCB, something the Governer of Hawaii failed to even confirm existed!
    Paper origional: scan once, no artifacts!

    Weird things within the document which are completely unrelated to scanning methods? Ignored and unexplained.

    Fact Remains: this all should have been done by the DNC in 2008. Thinking THAT makes me a "birther"? Believeing that laws apply equally to everyone? Huh...
  202. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    For whatever reason, (the conspiracy goes) it is anounced that BHO was born in a local hospital.

    Wow I feel dumber just reading that.

    something the Governer of Hawaii failed to even confirm existed

    What the state director of Health`s word is invalid?
  203. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:11 pm
    scan once, no artifacts!

    WRONG!
    Artifacts will always appear.
  204. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:12 pm
    this all should have been done by the DNC in 2008.

    Which the short form BC already did, twice validated by Hawaii.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm
    On top of the "artifacts" generated by digitilization, typewriters thoroughly used would leave uneven impressions in the medium, which would explain the different shades of ink the print text. Putting your John Hancock down is more of an art than it is a science meaning that pressure is not always uniform throughout the stroke. Then people sometimes make errors while filling out check marks.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:36 pm
    The image where with a name in parantheticals.

    Barack`s mother`s maiden name was Stanley Ann Dunham.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:37 pm
    What the state director of Health`s word is invalid?
    iirc: that was the Certificatre Of Live Birth which is an entirely different matter.

    And the date stamps at the bottom? Made with the exact same stamper but looking VERY different? If you can account for that, I`d be impressed!

    I`d be even more impressed if you could link a site which duplicates these artifacts without photoshop. I`ve heard `experts agree` over and over, but not ONE botheres to support Obama by demonstrating how it happened?

    Also: the moved around spacing on official seal(s)? Just isn`t likely.

    It`s one thing piled on top of another: not one isolated detail.
    And the sudden, almost miraculous appearence of the "paper copy" which no one has ever seen... unless you can link that.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:39 pm
    Hummm, I may sound sarcastic here, but I`m trying to NOT be! I really would like to figure out the hows and whys of this, and move on to more solid reasons to dislike Obama...
  209. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:46 pm
    And the date stamps at the bottom? Made with the exact same stamper but looking VERY different? If you can account for that, I`d be impressed!

    Same thing, humans just aren`t perfect and the stamps they make wear out. Also the ones digit in the year is actually consistent so are the date and month.
  210. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 4:49 pm
    the moved around spacing on official seal(s)? Just isn`t likely.

    No I`ve seen those "artifacts" before at the library, typical dating stamps. Even some people fork over some money so they can embold their autograph on a rubber stamp.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2012 at 5:06 pm
    K then, thanks for your politeness! I guess it`s time to move along...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    thanks for your politeness

    Ye Velcome!


    CYA NEXTIME!!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2012 at 5:38 pm
    "but I`m trying to NOT be! I really would like to figure out the hows and whys of this, and move on to more solid reasons to dislike Obama..."

    You are not trying to figure it out. You have been told over and over and over that the layers are due to character recognition software used in the scan of all the birth certificates so the text can be searchable. It is an extremely common practice when governments scan documents. Take off your f**king blinders. Even Fox News understands this.
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    blackcatseye Female 30-39
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    May 9, 2012 at 11:01 am
    No, it`s just more of the Rest of The World rolling our eyes at you, America. Duh.

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