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47 Responses to Bill Maher: Why do Conservatives hate Obama?

  1. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 26, 2012 at 9:38 am
    Link: Bill Maher: Why do Conservatives hate Obama? - How has America been radically changed in the last 4 years?
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    maxxim Male 30-39
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    May 26, 2012 at 3:26 pm
    I disagree with almost everything that Bill said, but I did chuckle at the jokes.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    May 26, 2012 at 3:37 pm
    Just had to spike the football for Obama.

    And did you notice on the nice asterisk on the chart about Obama having the lowest spending? That`s because they re-assigned 2009 spending to Bush. So Bush is being blamed for 9 year of spending, but Obama only 2 (although he`s been in office 3).

    Let`s look at some real numbers, if you discount the asterisk.


    Thus, we can conclude:

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 26, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    MeGrendel - your spending graph is flawed. 2009 budget spending was established the year before by Bush. {it takes that long to pass a budget} Those are the high amounts. He approved everything on his way out and conservatards blame O. for it. Other clever budgeting techniques were Bush never counted the War spending on the books. Obama did so that was a huge jump.

    Conservative think takes have blamed both parties, but call it a 75/25 split - 75 going to the republicans.

    Me, I don`t like Obama for other reasons. But I do not follow sound-bite party lines that are fed to me through Fox news.
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    Arcval Male 18-29
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    May 26, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    How is Obama left wing? He`s center right. He`s further left than the republican so I guess from their point of view....but on a world scale he`s still right wing. You want left wing, look at Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Holland, check out the new french president.

    And bout government spending. America spent more, their economy is growing. European states cut, we go into a second recession.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    May 26, 2012 at 4:03 pm
    Of course 2009 spending was assigned to Bush, MeGrendel. Why *wouldn`t* it have been? But, just so there`s no upset, I`m quite sure he wasn`t charged for the 2001 spending. That would have been Clinton.

    And, please let`s not talk "real" numbers. That`s crazy talk right there. As Gerry points out, accounting tricks have been used forever and statistics manipulated forever to make whatever conclusion is desired.

    If you`re interested in the debt, you can look at debt numbers, by year. If you want to look at budget increases or decreases, or surpluses, etc., that can be done, too. But "spending" as a share of GDP? Impossible to quantify, and almost assuredly skewed heavily *away* from reality.

    See, look, we can say anything we want:



    Looks like Obama is about to pull an Eisenhowerian downtur
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    May 26, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    ...woops, an FDR downturn, I meant. See, I couldn`t even keep track of my own made up supposed correlations!
  8. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 26, 2012 at 4:32 pm
    "He`s center right. He`s further left than the republican so I guess from their point of view"

    The Republicans have been moving further right for some time now, so they`ve basically moved the goalposts so that a center-right politician like Obama looks like a leftist to them.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 26, 2012 at 6:15 pm
    Gerry and SmagBoy: That by no means excuses Obama for all that spending, maybe if Obama tried really hard to have that legislation repealed. But he made no effor to do so. He didn`t even make a speech, or even lift a finger, and plans on keeping said spending at its current rate (or raising incrementally).
    So two men make $40000 dollars a month:
    Man A: In a month spends $20000, next $35000
    Man B: In a month spends $40000, next $40010

    Who`s the worst spender here?

    Bush was a screw up, but Obama makes him look like a choir boy fiscally.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 26, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    they`ve basically moved the goalposts so that a center-right politician like Obama looks like a leftist to them.
    Your choices are either conservative or ultra-conservative. Take your pick.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 26, 2012 at 7:41 pm
    Sorry, but 15 sec. was all I could stand of that smarmy little prick.
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    RytWing Male 30-39
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    May 26, 2012 at 9:18 pm
    @foolsprussia
    What does a real leftist look like then? Maybe you could reference some historical figures for us?
    Ol Billy here sees the world through two left lenses. He couldnt say something nice about a republican if his career depended on it.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 26, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Cajun - Try again. While Obama and Dems are not without sin, you need to cast your stones at the bigger problem. Even Conservative Think Tanks are placing 75% of the countries problems squarely on the GOPs shoulders. They have created a gridlock that disallows any corrective action without handouts to the rich in the form of tax breaks. LINK

    Bush running up massive debt and blaming Obama is like Bush starting 2 wars and calling Obama the warmonger because he inherited them.

    We need a compromise in Washington not more partisan politics. Let`s just shoot them all.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 26, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    Lets see, Bill spent 8 years hating on Bush, then tried to revive his failing career by calling Palin a c#nt.

    Why should I care what this dick-turd says?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 26, 2012 at 9:30 pm
    OldOllie

    That`s how you know you are biased. He didn`t even say anything verging on offensive for 30 seconds. You just hate him, so nothing he says is ever OK. I can`t stand people like Hannity, but i watch him from time to time and I`m open minded enough to give what he says a chance. I even agree with it occasionally.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 26, 2012 at 9:35 pm
    5Cats

    First of all everyone hated on Bush for 8 years. Even most conservatives think he f.u.c.k.e.d up the country. He didn`t even pick on his policies as much as he did his cowboy act and moronic behavior.

    Secondly what failing career? The guy makes millions of dollars hosting a show on HBO for a decade that gets over 4 million viewers by episode. If his career is failing I wish mine was failing that badly.

    Third, if you ever actually watched him he rips on democrats constantly. You might enjoy that.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 26, 2012 at 11:09 pm
    "We need a compromise in Washington not more partisan politics. Let`s just shoot them all."
    Thank God someone agrees with me. I swear to God if we just shot every republican and democratic politician America would be a whole lot better place.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    May 26, 2012 at 11:15 pm
    "Third, if you ever actually watched him he rips on democrats constantly. You might enjoy that."

    I honestly think political humor is a really cheap form of humor, right down there with poop jokes. It`s funny every now and then, but when someone completely relies on it to be `funny`, it`s just dumb and annoying.

    "He didn`t even pick on his policies as much as he did his cowboy act and moronic behavior. " Everyone did this, and I never thought it was funny. Bush`s policies were mostly retarded and not well thought out, but George Bush was actually a nice and genuine guy when compared to most politicians these days. Also, I think it`s ironic that people make fun of his intelligence considering that he has higher test scores and grades than our lord and savior.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 26, 2012 at 11:18 pm
    "The Republicans have been moving further right for some time now, so they`ve basically moved the goalposts so that a center-right politician like Obama looks like a leftist to them."

    Some proof please? Are you even familiar with Obama`s track record as a Senator when compared to other politicians? Do you actually even know anything about the history of the two parties or are you just spouting off nonsense?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 27, 2012 at 8:29 am
    HolyDrat, I didn`t say I disagreed with him. Of course I do on almost everything he says, but that`s not what I said about him. I said he`s a smarmy little prick. He doesn`t have to say something I disagree with to be a smarmy little prick. It`s an existential thing. He`s just a smarmy little prick, and that`s about all there is to say about him.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 27, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Maher is a jerk. He seems quite impressed with himself and that`s sooooo unatractive!

    But he`s right about this one topic. Even a jerk can get it right sometimes.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 9:19 am
    eddy666

    "George Bush was actually a nice and genuine guy"
    Genuine? He was a rich Massachusetts private school, yale cheerleader, from Connecticut and he convinced the public he was a good ol boy Texas cowboy. He wore that cowboy hat and cleared brush on that ranch. Then the moment he was out of office he sold that ranch and bought a mansion in the city. He hasn`t been seen in a cowboy hat since.

    "he has higher test scores and grades than our lord and savior"
    Link to source for this please. Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law. Bush graduated from Yale with a C average.
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    gymcoach29 Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 9:45 am
    Eddy666- His track record as a senator? He was a senator for 163 days...he was not a senator long enough to have a track record...
  24. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 10:34 am
    I agree that Maher is a sleazebag. I posted this link because he basically says what I think a lot of people on the left feel. I don`t always agree with Maher, and I certainly don`t agree with the manner in which he usually says it.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 10:39 am
    `Do you actually even know anything about the history of the two parties or are you just spouting off nonsense?`

    Give me a break. A couple days ago you and I had a pretty stimulating discussion about Lincoln. I think that should have displayed to you that I have more knowledge of the political history of the U.S. than most of our fellow citizens.

    Let`s see, what has Obama done? He surged in Afghanistan. He`s kept the drone strikes going. He kept the drug war going strong. He has deported more illegal immigrants than George Bush ever did. He created a health care plan that is essentially the same as the plan Republicans proposed in the 1990s, a plan that essentially gives private healthcare companies more customers.

    How are any of those policies left wing or socialist in any shape or form?
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 10:55 am
    @HolyGod I said comparatively. You can`t expect a politician to not be a lying sleazebag. I was saying that, overall, Bush isn`t anywhere near the worst in the personality department. Hell, he`s hated by pretty much all of American, and he`s basically just accepted it. He hasn`t tried to go in front of the news and come up with excuses or explain himself, he`s just dealt with it. As for the test scores, I might be wrong, but I`m pretty sure I`ve seen that from some pretty reliable sources. I`ll get back to you if I have time.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    May 27, 2012 at 11:01 am
    "Give me a break. A couple days ago you and I had a pretty stimulating discussion about Lincoln. I think that should have displayed to you that I have more knowledge of the political history of the U.S. than most of our fellow citizens. "

    I`m sorry, that was harsh, and I don`t always pay attention to names on this site. Anyways, I know what Obama`s done, and that`s partly why I don`t really care for him. For his very, very short time as a Senator though, I believe he was pretty consistently left of the party line, and everything he claims to stand for and support is on the left side and intended to further ignite the flamewars between the pubs and dems. I give him props for trying to compromise with the healthcare bill, but it just ended up being garbage anyways. Also, I have never made the claim that anyone is `socialist`. Socialism may be what you get when you go to the extreme left, but I doubt we`ll ever see a president like that in the near future. Also, keep in
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    May 27, 2012 at 11:04 am
    mind that Obama will actually be trying to appear more moderate than he actually is, due to the election. That`s how it`s worked for the past several years. When the candidates are seeking nominations from their parties, they all run to the extreme sides, when they are competing against one other person, they run towards the middle. It`s kind of stupid, if you ask me, and is just a shortcoming of our dumb political system. There shouldn`t even be a left or right side, politicians should just make decisions about what they think is best for the country (or even state they represent) on individual issues, not have a set response to all of them.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 11:33 am
    @eddy: Thanks for the civil response. You never know what you`re going to get here.

    I consider myself a progressive voter, and I`m mostly disappointed in him. I don`t really agree that he`s trying to appear more moderate for the election. If anything, I think he`s tried to present himself as more progressive in both election cycles than how he has actually governed as president. Most of what he`s done as president has been pragmatic, which is a quality I admire in a way, but sometimes his desire to be pragmatic has resulted in capitulation. Suddenly he`s campaigning against Wall Street, even though he`s done nothing to prosecute them during his presidency (Teddy Roosevelt, he is not).

    Plus, all the other issues I mentioned earlier are major disappointments (even though I had to hold my nose on his Afghanistan policy in 2008).
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 11:59 am
    @FoolsPrussia Fair enough, but do you think that Obama will not try to aggressively appear more progressive once he gets re-elected? I`m not necessarily saying that he will DO anything progressive. I don`t know, Obama seems to like media attention a bit too much for my taste. Of course it`s the president`s job to a certain degree, but some of the things he`s made comments about were really none of his business. Anyways, back to the main topic: Let`s look at the whole 99% Wall Street thing. Obama came in front of the media and talked about how he supported the 99% mobs. Yet, he himself accepts A LOT of donations from these big corporations. Is he not part of the problem, then? The 99%`ers sure didn`t think so. In fact they seemed to pin it ALL on the big corporations and publicans (which is partly deserved). I don`t know, I`m just really off-put by Obama because I hear about all the things he says and supports, and everyone talks about he is bringing change to America, and
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    then he doesn`t do anything.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    I`m not COMPLETELY progressive, myself. So, I don`t support EVERYTHING Obama claims to support anyways, but I`d have a lot more respect for him if he did even half of the things he claims he can do in front of the camera.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    @eddy: I`m glad we decided to be civil with one another, because it sounds like we`re close to being in agreement here.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
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    May 27, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    Bill Maher is an idiot hypocrite.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    May 27, 2012 at 3:02 pm
    I was really into the negative world of partisan politics near the tail end of Bush`s last term. It cracks me up how conservatives are rewriting history and saying they didn`t like Bush when he was president. At the time they couldn`t have loved him more.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 3:39 pm
    eddy666

    Breitbardt`s blog ran an article loosely saying Bush`s SAT scores MAY have been higher than Obama`s because Bush`s SAT score was higher than the average SAT score of the incoming class of 60 or so that Obama was a part of. As far as I know or could find Obama has never released his transcripts or scores. Then a bunch of right wing or anti-Obama blogs and Fox News ran it as if it was saying Bush outscored Obama. Then you come in here and repeat it as fact. That is why partisan politics sucks.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 3:42 pm
    eddy666

    " I`d have a lot more respect for him if he did even half of the things he claims he can do in front of the camera."

    Don`t you think he genuinely wants to do those things but can`t really right now? Don`t you think he is playing it safe to win over the undecideds and centrists so he can get a second term to push through the things he really wants? I feel like that is what is going on. It is what conservatives are scared to death of and what progressives are hoping for.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    OutWest

    OK. You may disagree with his opinions, but the guy is bright. You can`t very well call him an idiot, but fine, let`s say that is subjective. How is he a hypocrite?
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    May 27, 2012 at 5:09 pm
    Not my country, so do not care.
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    Steve0x757 Male 18-29
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    May 27, 2012 at 5:35 pm
    I don`t like his politics so I must be racist? This guy is quite literally a pompous assbag.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 7:47 pm
    Steve0x757

    By all means disagree with his politics.

    But it`s more than that. He isn`t leftist or socialist or a muslim. He wasn`t born out of this country. He isn`t the most liberal president in history. The facts just don`t back that up. So where is it coming from if not his race?

    The tea party people sat by and watched Bush add more to the national debt than any president in history. They watched him start the bailout and spend tons of money. They never held a protest or picked up a sign. But then a few months into Obama`s term all of a sudden those issues mattered to them. How else do you explain that?

    I thought Bush was terrible. If you asked me why I would list dozens of specific things he did. I wouldn`t just say he`s the most conservative president of all time. But when people say bad things about Obama, in my experience they can very rarely say much of anything that they are specifically upset about that he has done.

    I welcome people
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 10:09 pm
    @markust123 Dude, just stop. You are still into partisan politics. Admit it. On every damn post on this site you go on and on about how you don`t get caught up in politics. Stop trying to act above everyone else just because you claim to not get caught up in partisan politics. If you truly believe you are non-partisan than you are just lying to yourself.

    Also, @HolyGod Either way, Bush`s scores were still more or less close to Obama`s. What I was trying to point out is that, as an individual, Bush is actually a lot more intelligent than most people who call him retarded. Anyways, to answer your question about Obama, it`s not whether or not he can or can`t. It`s that he knows fully well that the claims he makes aren`t even within the power of the president. In short, he`s a media whore. I`d rather him focus on elaborating what he could do AS PRESIDENT to best serve this country. If people want laws passed, they need to look towards congress.
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 10:13 pm
    "Don`t you think he genuinely wants to do those things but can`t really right now? Don`t you think he is playing it safe to win over the undecideds and centrists so he can get a second term to push through the things he really wants? I feel like that is what is going on. It is what conservatives are scared to death of and what progressives are hoping for."

    This is a possibility, and if this is the case, it just shows another flaw of our current political environment. Regardless, I still think I am still justified in not thinking he is a good president. Why couldn`t he have just did what he thought was good for the country in the first place?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 27, 2012 at 10:48 pm
    Why do Conservatives hate Obama?

    Because he`s a SCOAMF.
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    RytWing Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2012 at 11:18 pm
    Wow! Play up the race card. Explain why the right doesn`t like Polosi, Reed, Kerry, Clinton, and Clinton, Gore, Carter. It certainly isn`t their race. Quit being so superficial. Its politics. Plain and simple. And whole your at it explain how West, Cain, Rubio, Haley and Jindle do so well with your so called racist right wing.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 28, 2012 at 6:44 am
    MeGrendel: That`s because they re-assigned 2009 spending to Bush.



    You might need to adjust your bifocals. I"m pretty sure that doesn`t say "Bush."
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    Penguinato23 Male 18-29
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    May 28, 2012 at 4:53 pm
    Well eddy, keep in mind that plenty of politically-clueless already think that the pres. pretty much is the entire government since he`s the only politician they even know of, and don`t care enough to learn otherwise, so hey, it`s not like obama saying `You guys realize I can`t just instantly make and change laws at a whim, right?` won`t help anything.

    As for his relationship with the media, unfortunately to be in politics he has to media whore. I`ve heard that politics have become like a sick reality show, and politicians have to play the game. It`s not about what`s good for the country. It`s about shutting little people up and making big players happy. That`s just how our embarassment of a system is.

    Anyways, no, I don`t think obama is amazing, but when it comes to politicians `ok` is the best we can hope for. I appreciate your civil approach to the issue though. It`s refreshing compared to many obama detractors...

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