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181 Responses to Zimmerman Injuries Seen in Exclusive Photo

  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
    8044 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 8:31 am
    Link: Zimmerman Injuries Seen in Exclusive Photo - The exclusive image shows blood trickling down the back of Zimmerman`s head from two cuts.
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    fancylad Male 30-39
    18930 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 8:36 am
    Whoa. There`s your blood, people. I don`t even want to predict how this case is going to play out.
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    ryan99 Male 13-17
    2345 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 8:45 am
    This just in: Zimmerman cut his head in the back of the police car, now trying to frame the officers.

    Wait, plot twist! The officers were really Obama and Clinton.
  4. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 8:48 am
    Well, those looked like life-threatening tiny cuts. Next time I knick myself shaving my legs, I`ll post a photo - I guarantee it`ll look worse than that. Anyway, the issue should be who provoked the confrontation? If you look at the issue any way else, burglars could shoot you in "self defence" if you happen to surprisingly be handy at martial arts when they decide to break into your house.
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    BritInvasion Male 18-29
    311 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 8:49 am
    This still doesn`t prove who attacked who first. Did Treyon attack in self defense because he was being followed? Thus...stand your ground applies to him.

    The truth of this case will never be known to a standard of "without a doubt"
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Another bit of evidence that backs up Zimmerman`s story.

    Wag of the finger at ABC News
    "had zimmerman not profiled trayvon martin"... ?
    assumption of profiling not proven
    biased media slips in what you are supposed to think instead of just reporting the facts and letting us make up our own mind.


  7. Profile photo of Buiadh
    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 8:53 am
    After a repeated head bashing his head would be fairly pulped.

    What we see here are tiny cuts.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 8:55 am
    I always thought Zimmerman`s account of the story was far more believable than the idea of a blood-thirsty racist gone wild.
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 8:55 am
    BritInvasion: True, doesn`t prove who did what first, but it`s going to be a big hurdle to deal in the case for both sides.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 8:57 am
    well they are small, but how hard did zimmerman have to fight to keep them from being worse?
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    Omphaloskept Male 40-49
    181 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 8:57 am
    Wait -- was there ever a question that there was an altercation? Yes, we know the two men were fighting; I don`t think anyone disputes that. And then one shot the other dead. Now, thanks to national outrage, there will be an investigation and trial.
  12. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:00 am
    I`m tempted to say "this photo is the view that Zimmerman`s boyfriend will have of him inside", but that would make me a bad person, so I wont.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:01 am
    And yet no cuts later? Whatever. I just saw a photo of some sort of rectangular obelisk on Mars. And, regardless, no matter what, Zimmerman initiate the confrontation. Denying that is just...whatever.
  14. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:02 am
    If you`re going to claim that Zimmerman is allowed to shoot Martin in self defense, then by that logic why wasn`t Martin allowed to defend himself against the person who was following him to his dad`s house?
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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:02 am
    I have wondered about the possibility of self inflicted wounds or if he could have been injured slipping and falling in the wet grass even. Can an iPhone be tampered with as far as dates and times?

    Also:

    Who would think about taking a picture of injuries 3 minutes after shooting someone? Did the guy also take pictures of Trayvons injuries? Maybe instead of taking pictures to help with your case, you could help try and save the kid dying on the ground?
  16. Profile photo of Edgarska19
    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
    1045 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:04 am
    So, Trayvon defended himself, big deal.

    Doesn`t change the fact that he murdered him.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
    1399 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:04 am
    I wonder who leaked the photo? Zimmerman, or the cops?

    Regardless, it goes towards his story. Looks like the left might not get it`s lynching after all.
  18. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:05 am
    Liberals: Zimmerman wasn`t injured!
    Photo of Z`s injury.
    Liberals: But there`s no blood!
    Photo of blood
    Liberals: Aw! That`s not MUCH blood!

    The Worshipers of Saint Martin will never be happy, even when Zimmerman is aquitted.
  19. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:06 am
    Martin was walking home. Zimmerman confronted him--while being recorded by 9-1-1 and being told not to. Regardless of what happened after, REGARDLESS, those are INDISPUTABLE FACTS. Any idea of Zimmerman defending himself came AFTER he unnecessarily confronted Martin, after he initiated the confrontation. How is that so hard to understand?
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    Stardust6702 Male 18-29
    165 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:06 am
    @ MacGuffin - Your actually suggesting that if someone was B&E on another`s property and fought them off with no lethal weapons but the trespasser shot the tenant in the scramble, that a jury would find the trespasser not guilty of B&E plus homicide.

    Please don`t use bad movies and tv shows as your precedent for the legal system.

  21. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:06 am
    "Liberals: Zimmerman wasn`t injured!"

    You know my politics, 5Cats, but I find it really sad that this case has to be split between Liberals and Conservatives. That`s not the way the law is supposed to work.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:08 am
    5Cats, don`t know if you noticed, but, Martin is dead. Not sure, but I would say the injuries each purportedly inflicted on the other aren`t terribly comparable. So, I scratch you twice, and even draw a bit of blood, you have a right to kill me? And after you initiated the confrontation? Somehow, to me, that just doesn`t track.
  23. Profile photo of Edgarska19
    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:08 am
    @5cats

    So being against murdering teens is a thing only liberals believe in?

    That says more about the right than it does about the left.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:10 am
    Well done 5cats.

    Politics brought into a murder case AGAIN.
  25. Profile photo of lordfoobar
    lordfoobar Male 30-39
    79 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:10 am
    To allow Zimmerman to walk freely after this incident will open the door murdering just about anyone who enters a fight with you, whether you provoked it or not. I don`t care about his story, personally, the 911 women told him NOT to follow him, and he did regardless (with a "huh... ok" even!). So, he deserves the consequences of his action on top of all.
  26. Profile photo of Edgarska19
    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:12 am
    @5cats

    So being against murdering teens is a thing only liberals believe in?

    That says more about the right than it does about the left.
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    lordfoobar Male 30-39
    79 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:13 am
    If I had a stalker following me, and if I happened to notice his gun, you bet I would confront him as well. Enough said.
  28. Profile photo of Edgarska19
    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
    1045 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:13 am
    @5cats

    So being against murdering teens is a thing only liberals believe in?

    That says more about the right than it does about the left.
  29. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:14 am
    @ MacGuffin - Your actually suggesting that if someone was B&E on another`s property and fought them off with no lethal weapons but the trespasser shot the tenant in the scramble, that a jury would find the trespasser not guilty of B&E plus homicide.

    Please don`t use bad movies and tv shows as your precedent for the legal system.

    No, I`m suggesting that a jury *would* find such a person guilty. Just like they should find this stalking, child-murdering scumbag guilty. Whether or not the child in question got a few hits in before being shot.
  30. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:15 am
    And yet no cuts later?
    @SmagBoy where on Earth do you get that from? The "police video"? It is reported that Zimmerman went to the doctor the next day and got stitches in his head. Yes, cuts were there.

    Wait -- was there ever a question that there was an altercation?
    Yes there was @Omphaloskept: MANY liberals here at IAB suggested there was no fight at all, and that Z simply shot M in cold blood.

    Who would think about taking a picture of injuries 3 minutes after shooting someone?
    Seriously @kitteh9? There were several people who came to the scene after the shot was fired. It`s highly likely there are DOZENS of photos of both men taken by bystanders. Along with that, the paramedics probably took pictures of the injuries also.
  31. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:15 am
    I would really like to know why people like CrakrJak and 5Cats think it`s ok for Zimmerman to defend himself with a gun, but not for Martin to defend himself with his fists.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
    914 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:17 am
    @SmagBoy1 and @lordfoobar (what stupid usernames, btw)

    There are lots of flaws with what you`re saying. But I`ll pick one. You`re failing to consider the possibility that Zimmerman COMPLIED with their instructions not to follow him, and that Martin was the one who turned around and confronted Zimmerman. Nothing in the 911 calls or in the eyewitness testimonials contradicts this theory.

  33. Profile photo of Edgarska19
    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
    1045 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:19 am
    @FoolsPrussia

    Because Trayvon was black.

    They`ll deny it, but if that had been a white kid, they`d be against zimmerman too.
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:19 am
    "Just like they should find this stalking"

    Ohh, another first hand account from a witness! Please, explain for us lesser folk the stalker-like behavior you saw from Zimmerman over the last few months that causes you to be absolutely positive he was obsessed with Martin, and on precisely what date before the incident would you say his obsession became true stalking?
  35. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:19 am
    the bail at 150,000 makes me think this charge isn`t too much about publicity for the prosecutors office, but more about evidence
  36. Profile photo of intrigid
    intrigid Male 18-29
    914 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:20 am
    @FoolsPrussia

    Being followed doesn`t justify use of self defense. Being tackled to the ground and beaten does. That`s the difference.
  37. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:21 am
    Martin was walking home. Zimmerman confronted him
    @Smagboy: Not true, I`ve suggested a site which discusses that exact question, based on the evidence. Martin had plenty of time to walk (not run) home. I hope a Mod gets on the case and posts it! (hint!)
    I find it really sad that this case has to be split between Liberals and Conservatives.
    I totally agree @FoolsPrussia! 100%! It`s pathetic that "liberal" race-baiters have whipped the unwashed masses into a frenzy, while "conservative" folks try to say `lets look at the evidence`.

    Politics brought into a murder case AGAIN.
    It was there from day 1 @Buiadh, you know that.

    I don`t care about his story,
    @lordfoobar: typical.
    the 911 women told him
    Um, it was a male, please do try to learn the most BASIC facts, eh?
  38. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:24 am
    Being followed doesn`t justify use of self defense.
    Florida`s SYG law would likely beg to differ...
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    tedgp Male 30-39
    3287 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:24 am
    So, Trayvon defended himself, big deal.

    Doesn`t change the fact that he murdered him.
    -----

    Depends if it was in self defense or not. Nothing is ever black and white.
  40. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:25 am
    "I totally agree @FoolsPrussia! 100%! It`s pathetic that "liberal" race-baiters have whipped the unwashed masses into a frenzy, while "conservative" folks try to say `lets look at the evidence`. "

    It`s funny to me that you said you agreed and then brought politics back into it. Look 5Cats, you say some crazy stuff sometimes but you`re the conservative on this site that I actually kind of like. Be reasonable. If you or someone you knew were being followed, you would feel that you have the right to defend yourself just as you say Zimmerman had the right to defend himself.
  41. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:25 am
    patchgrabber: EXACTLY the point I`m trying to make to these guys. Thank you.
  42. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:26 am
    nm prosecuters asked for a million, zimmerman bond hearing
  43. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:26 am
    @Edgarska: If you hit F5 or otherwise refresh the page, it re-posts your comment, just fyi. Please delete your multiple posts, thanks.

    @FoolsPrussia: I am happy to explain AGAIN: The law says, Z has a right to ask M what he`s doing there. The Law says, M has NO right to attack Z. The Law says Z has a right to use deadly force to defend himself.

    So: Z followed the Law, and M did not.
    Also: M is the one who confronted Z, there`s plenty of evidence to back this up.

    If you don`t break any laws, why get arrested? Oh yeah, politics!
  44. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:28 am
    5Cats: And that`s the point a lot of us are making. That law is seriously flawed. I`m merely trying to point that out to you.
  45. Profile photo of lordfoobar
    lordfoobar Male 30-39
    79 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:28 am
    @intrigid. First, I don`t care what you think about my username, however it only proves that you are not a programmer. Here, is some reading for your own culture : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar

    "There are lots of flaws with what you`re saying. But I`ll pick one. You`re failing to consider the possibility that Zimmerman COMPLIED with their instructions not to follow him, and that Martin was the one who turned around and confronted Zimmerman."

    How in the world does that make sense?? One had Skittles and Ice Tea and the other with a gun. If Z had really complied and Martin STILL would have turned around, why did Z didn`t just say : "Be cool, I don`t want any trouble." or something, or, at worst, pull his gun ONLY to warn him and back off? Nothing indicates that Martin wanted to get into a fight that night (with Skittles???) and everything tends to prove quite the opposi
  46. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:28 am
    The law says, Z has a right to ask M what he`s doing there.
    But what if he *asked* him in a manner that is accusatory or could be perceived as hostile?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:30 am
    @MacGuffin

    "Just like they should find this stalking, child-murdering scumbag guilty"

    I think you should read this link and then remember that you are not as anonymous on the internet as you think you are.
  48. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:33 am
    Ohh, another first hand account from a witness! Please, explain for us lesser folk the stalker-like behavior you saw from Zimmerman over the last few months...

    Who says stalking behaviour has to happen over "months"?, or be confined to one victim. Zimmerman is on record as calling police an absurd number of times over suspicions that regularly amounted to nothing, and he`s on record as following this child then shooting him. That`s stalking. Not that I expect someone as blinkered as you to recognise it.
  49. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:34 am
    "Just like they should find this stalking, child-murdering scumbag guilty"

    I think you should read this link and then remember that you are not as anonymous on the internet as you think you are.

    I don`t claim to be anonymous. That`s my actual photo up there next to my opinions, genius.
  50. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:35 am
    but you`re the conservative on this site that I actually kind of like.
    Well thanks @FoolsPrussia!
    And no, if I were asked why I was somewhere I`d simply talk to the person, I wouldn`t attack them!

    @yusuksomuch: They asked for a Million and got 150K? That indicates that the Judge thinks their case is weak, I`d say. Plus the fact that Zimmerman isn`t a "flight risk" too.

    Oh, My multiple submissions? GONE! DELETED from the submission pool. I`ll re-submit.
  51. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:40 am
    "I don`t claim to be anonymous. That`s my actual photo up there next to my opinions, genius. "


    I hope you are kidding, I mean you are kind of a condescending hag, but i would hate for you to get hurt by some internet psycho who wouldn`t see it that way.
  52. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:41 am
    "Well thanks @FoolsPrussia!"

    Let`s face it, you`re Canadian. It makes you seem nice and thankfully you can`t vote in our elections. ;)
  53. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:41 am
    @MacGuffin

    Then you`re very brave, or very rich, or very foolish, because if he is found innocent and felt the desire to do so, he could very legitimately sue you (and no doubt many others) for libel.

    It`s unlikely, of course. But still, why be so foolish?
  54. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:41 am
    intrigid, the tape itself shows that Zimmerman followed Martin after being told not to. That FACT isn`t even in dispute. From *either* side.
  55. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:43 am
    well my thought process there was if the prosecutors office was asking for an eye catching amount it was more for publicity than they thought he was a flight risk, but you have a point too.
  56. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:44 am
    Then you`re very brave, or very rich, or very foolish, because if he is found innocent and felt the desire to do so, he could very legitimately sue you (and no doubt many others) for libel.

    It`s unlikely, of course. But still, why be so foolish?

    Are you really that desperate to silence views you don`t want to believe? How very pathetic. I`ll risk having an opinion, thanks, and I wont be needing any more legal advice from you.
  57. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:46 am
    I hope you are kidding, I mean you are kind of a condescending hag, but i would hate for you to get hurt by some internet psycho who wouldn`t see it that way.

    Yeah, thanks for the `concern`. I`ll risk that too. I have this devil may care attitude, you see, to the potential for bodily harm from keyboard warriors.
  58. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:47 am
    @SmagBoy: Z follows M for 13 SECONDS! He then stops and talks to 911 for 90+ seconds, having no idea where M is.

    In that 90 seconds, M could have walked home easily, but he did NOT.

    When my suggestion gets put up, we can discuss the finer points of "who stalked whom" eh?

    Zimmerman is on record as calling police an absurd number of times
    @MacGuffin: Zimmerman made 46 calls over 11 YEARS. And he`s part of Neighborhood Watch. 4 per YEAR is absurd? In a high-crime area? Facts, please do learn them.
  59. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:48 am
    @MacGuffin

    "Are you really that desperate to silence views you don`t want to believe?"

    I haven`t stated any views on this subject, so what makes you think I disagree with you?

    "I`ll risk having an opinion, thanks, and I wont be needing any more legal advice from you."

    There is a very important difference between saying "I think he is a murderer" and "he is a murderer". The first is a statement of opinion, which is fine. The second is a statement of fact which, if incorrect, is libelous (when written) or slanderous (when spoken).

    And you can be sued for it.

    This isn`t legal advice. It`s common knowledge. Do you seriously not know this stuff?
  60. Profile photo of leesah
    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:49 am
    "Who says stalking behaviour has to happen over "months"?"

    Unfortunately for you, the professionals who are qualified to determine what stalking is. : ).
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:51 am
    lol..."keyboard warriors"...i like that...
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:52 am
    "Yeah, thanks for the `concern`. I`ll risk that too. I have this devil may care attitude, you see, to the potential for bodily harm from keyboard warriors. "

    You mean like this guy?
  63. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:53 am
    @MacGuffin: Zimmerman made 46 calls over 11 YEARS. And he`s part of Neighborhood Watch. 4 per YEAR is absurd? In a high-crime area? Facts, please do learn them.

    Actually, Sanford Police originally reported it as "46 calls since January 2011". It was in fact 46 calls since 2004. And you`ve got the cheek to correct someone that got the gender of the police dispatcher wrong below.

    Even at the revised figure, that`s still once every nine weeks for eight years solid, which is way more times than I`ve called the police in my whole life.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:53 am
    why are people still saying he`s part of a neighborhood watch WHEN THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH.

    it just bothers the drat out of me :|
  65. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:55 am
    It`s common knowledge. Do you seriously not know this stuff?

    Did you miss the bit about me not needing your legal advice? Allow me to expand - I don`t need your advice, period.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:55 am
    he could very legitimately sue you (and no doubt many others) for libel.
    Oh please. libel and slander are almost impossible to prove, because you`d have to show that she KNEW it was false when she said/wrote it.
  67. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:58 am
    @MacGuffin

    "Did you miss the bit about me not needing your legal advice? Allow me to expand - I don`t need your advice, period."

    I wasn`t giving you legal advice. It was plain old laymen advice. Again, another crucial difference. You can get into a lot of hot water by claiming to give legal advice when not qualified to do so.

    I could stop responding to you, but really at this stage it`s reached the point where it`s fascinating to watch you dig your hole even deeper.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:58 am
    You don`t wake up one day and say I`M LEADER OF NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH, it`s a community decision.
    Except that he wasn`t part of any recognized neighbourhood watch...and I don`t know of any neighbourhood watch groups that endorse carrying firearms.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 10:00 am
    patchgrabber: FFS THANK YOU! SMARTEST PERSON IN THIS THREAD RIGHT NOW...
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    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
    663 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:00 am
    Damn, those do look like some pretty nasty gashes
  71. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:02 am
    I could stop responding to you, but really at this stage it`s reached the point where it`s fascinating to watch you dig your hole even deeper.

    Yeah, that`s what to do whilst you`re waiting for your diploma to arrive from Make Believe Law School: just you keep watching. Meanwhile, I`ll wait on the Pretend Internet Police responding at my home to a report made by Zimmerman about a suspicious IAB post in his neighbourhood, wearing a hoodie.
  72. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 10:03 am
    SMARTEST PERSON IN THIS THREAD
    That`s axiomatic. ;-)
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2343 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:08 am
    I`ve zero empathy for Mr. Zimmerman`s little boo-boo`s. When you`re armed and stalk, then confront a person who is not committing a crime, you should get at least a little banged up before you senselessly take their life.
    A perspective I`ve not read online- or anywhere really- anyone stop and consider that Mr. Martin was likely `standing his ground`?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:12 am
    @MacGuffin

    "Yeah, that`s what to do whilst you`re waiting for your diploma to arrive from Make Believe Law School"

    Again, where did I claim to be giving legal advice, or express any interest in the legal profession?

    Do you form an imaginary picture of your conversational partners, and then argue to that picture?

    A stranger offers the advice that, for your own benefit and safety, it would be wise not to state that a currently innocent man is a stalker and murderer, and you respond with hostility?

    You remind me of the pedestrians who respond with profanity-laden abuse when I sound my horn to warn them that they`ve just stepped into the path of my vehicle. I`ve always figured that they jump to hostility as an automatic, unthinking defensive response to any kind of confrontation, regardless of the tone or intention.

    Is that what`s happening with you right now?
  75. Profile photo of CRAIGJ
    CRAIGJ Male 40-49
    143 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:12 am
    @MacGuffin.. So is he suppose to wait until he cracks the back of his head open to try to defend himself? 5cats has it correct, NO MATTER what kind of evidence is uncovered Zimmerman is guilty in the eyes of people like you. Why let the facts get in the way of your one sided opinion.
  76. Profile photo of collegebound
    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:13 am
    CaptKangaroo: its been said a lot. just not the way that you`ve said it and nobody seems to want to acknowledge that.
  77. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:15 am
    @MacGuffin.. So is he suppose to wait until he cracks the back of his head open to try to defend himself? 5cats has it correct, NO MATTER what kind of evidence is uncovered Zimmerman is guilty in the eyes of people like you. Why let the facts get in the way of your one sided opinion.

    No, he`s not guilty, yet. He is getting his day in court, though, because a whole lot of "people like me" embarrassed the US authorities into making that happen. He`ll have ample opportunity then to explain how Trayvon was somehow attacking him, when he was the one on record as doing the following, and he was the only one armed.
  78. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:17 am
    Zimmerman was granted bail. The prosecution said they didn`t want to show their hand, but it`s apparent they really don`t have a hand to show.

    An Arthur Hearing is the time the prosecution to show it`s hand or it risks allowing the charges to be dismissed.

    After bail was granted they complained that bail was even granted at all. that`s pretty hypocritical considering they didn`t offer any evidence to show that the incident wasn`t self-defense. In fact they have the lead investigator, under oath, saying they had no evidence to contradict Zimmerman`s self-defense statement.

    Going to be damn near impossible to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" now.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:20 am
    MacGuffin:

    I believe that`s damn good evidence Zimmerman was assaulted right there.
  80. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:21 am
    5Cats, I`m not saying that Zimmerman is totally guilty and deserves the death penalty. I`m also not saying that Martin didn`t do a damn thing and that he was totally innocent of any factor in this. I`m not saying any of that. I`m pointing out that, whether it was for 15 seconds or ten minutes, Zimmerman ignored advice from police and followed Martin, or attempted to. Against police advice. And he did so with a gun in his pocket, pursuing an unarmed man. Now, I`m not advocating the death penalty for Zimmerman. Or life in prison. But, is not innocent of all fault here. An unarmed was shot to death after Zimmerman ignored police advice. He deserves some punishment. Otherwise, it`s like I say, any altercation could end in a death and the living person could say, "Hey, Dudes, I was just defending myself."
  81. Profile photo of OpsAss13
    OpsAss13 Male 30-39
    514 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:22 am
    The exif data proves the photo. The blood proves Z`s story. Now to see what evidence actually makes it to trial. I think it`s crap that there is even a trial but perceived racism and public outcry always trumps law. Z was drated the moment he was arrested. He will not receive a fair trial. He will be convicted and it`s all bullpoo.

    P.S. drat the word filter.
  82. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:25 am
    Except that he wasn`t part of any recognized neighbourhood watch...
    @patchy (And @Collegebound) it wasn`t a REGISTERED NW but it`s still real. He was armed because HE WAS NOT ON PATROL! He was driving to the grocery store! FFS!
    Facts people!
    @CraigJ is correct: No amount of facts will satisfy liberals like @KaptKangaroo, they just keep spewing out rumours & gossip as if they were truths.

    I repeat: There is NO evidence that Z confronted anyone, and SOME evidence that M is the one who confronted Z.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 10:28 am
    @lordfoobar

    "First, I don`t care what you think about my username, however it only proves that you are not a programmer. Here, is some reading for your own culture"

    HAHAHAHA, you IDIOT! I am a programmer! And I know what FUBAR means! That`s part of why I think your username is stupid. "Lord of f*cked up beyond all repair" - it just doesn`t even begin to sound intelligent.

    Anyway, by declaring I`m not a programmer (which I am), this is a perfect example of how you make assumptions with little to no information. Because of this, you destroyed your own credibility, and so I won`t even bother reading the rest of your post. Good day.
  84. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:29 am
    @Crakr: That picture looks like he was in a fight, doesn`t prove assault. By your logic, then, M`s dead so he was murdered.

    @5cats: Don`t get so agitated, I`m merely pointing out that if someone is going to say that he was part of a NW as a defence of his conduct, that it is not a legitimate argument. I am sticking to facts, I`m just pointing out an illegitimate argument.
  85. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:30 am
    Zimmerman ignored advice from police
    Keyword: Advice. And Z did listen! Just a few seconds after being "advised" he stopped his persuit. What more do you want?
    pursuing an unarmed man.
    And how did Z know that? It`s emotional, but utterly irrelivant.
    PLUS: What if it`s true, as some evidence suggests, that M in fact confronted Z? What then?

    It was in fact 46 calls since 2004
    Thank you for admitting you were wrong @MacGuffin! You say 7, I say 11, _W_ neither is "absurd" eh?
  86. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:31 am
    @5cats: And appointing yourself a neighbourhood watch leader is not really NW.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:32 am
    5Cats: IDGAF IF ITS NOT REGISTERED IT ISNT REAL. HE WAS THE ONLY "MEMBER".

    i just dont like how he (and others) keep saying he was part of one and he WASNT.

    call him a vigilante if you must just stop saying he was part of a NW...
  88. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:35 am
    @patchy: I`ll try to remain calm *deep breathing*

    The NW thing explains away the "absurd 911 calls" OK?

    ANY citizen in the USA can walk up to ANYONE ELSE and ask them what they`re doing, OK?

    NO citizen has a right to attack another with violence, as M did to Z, still with me?

    That he was armed? He was: going to the store, NOT on NW patrol, and has a permit giving him the right to be.

    That Trayvon was unarmed? Immaterial. It makes NO difference in this case, except for emotions.
  89. Profile photo of collegebound
    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:36 am
    intrigid: i came up and was taught that FUBAR mean "F*cked Up Beyond All Recognition."

    military uses is a lot.
  90. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:38 am
    Zimmerman was the `only member`? You got a link?
    There`s "Neighborhood Watch" signs around their community, Z put them up? You got proof? Where did he get them? Does the NW organization just hand them out?

    Facts! Lets try to stick to the facts, eh?

    FUBAR: there`s even a movie by that title, everyone knows what it stands for.
  91. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:39 am
    @5cats: I`m not saying he didn`t have a right to carry a weapon, because he did. And to explain the 911 calls, a self-appointed NW person who isn`t registered as NW displays a `vigilante` attitude. I`m not saying he IS a vigilante, he was likely just concerned about his community, but that doesn`t mean he didn`t take his "job" a little too far.

    And yes, any citizen can ask what someone is doing, but the NW excuse goes away at this point, and like I said, what *if* Z approached M in a way that M interpreted as hostile? SYG works both ways.
  92. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:40 am
    >>>I believe that`s damn good evidence Zimmerman was assaulted right there.<<<


    Oh, right. This guy must be innocent too then:



    And this guy:



    ...only they were both arrested for murder.
  93. Profile photo of CRAIGJ
    CRAIGJ Male 40-49
    143 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:41 am
    MacGuffin, you say he`s not guilty yet but you make the following statements..."Just like they should find this stalking, child-murdering scumbag guilty" "I`m tempted to say "this photo is the view that Zimmerman`s boyfriend will have of him inside". You have judged him already without knowing all the facts, and it is "people like you" that are going to cause a riot when he gets aquitted based on facts and the law.
  94. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:43 am
    @MacGuffin: quit changing the subject, are you @Baalthy in disguise? (He`s infamous for doing that, eh?)

    WHO CARES about those other cases? NOT RELEVANT to the Z&M case, get it? Cheesus!
  95. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:52 am
    @MacGuffin: quit changing the subject, are you @Baalthy in disguise? (He`s infamous for doing that, eh?)

    WHO CARES about those other cases? NOT RELEVANT to the Z&M case, get it? Cheesus!

    I was addressing a fallacy that Zimmerman "must have been attacked" because he was apparently bloody, 5Cats. It`s entirely relevant to point to other cases where other bloody people have nonetheless have ended up being charged with murder.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 10:53 am
    Don`t feel like reading all of the replies so sry if someone already said it, but no one`s denying that there was a conflict. Zimmerman being injured in the conflict is really irrelevant to whether or not he`s guilty (unless possibly if they`re life threatening injuries, which they do not seem to be) nor does it indicate who started the conflict. I do see 5cats claiming Trayvon started the physical conflict with no proof that it`s true, so yeah, keep in mind it doesn`t prove anything about who started what, just that at some point in time Trayvon probably managed to injure Zimmerman (which could have been something as simple as Trayvon pushing Zimmerman to get him away from him, and Zimmerman hit his head on the concrete, we really don`t know).
  97. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:55 am
    MacGuffin, you say he`s not guilty yet but you make the following statements..."Just like they should find this stalking, child-murdering scumbag guilty"

    Excuse me, I didn`t say "he`s not guilty". I said "he`s not guilty, yet", and noted he`d have his day in court. I hope they do find him guilty.
  98. Profile photo of CRAIGJ
    CRAIGJ Male 40-49
    143 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:57 am
    MacGuffin you are the TYPICAL liberal. The story on the first photo makes no mention of how he got the shiner, and the second one was not arrested for murder because the two victims defended themselves. A quote from your own link "The tattoo artist and customer were not seriously injured." Make up s*it and enough people will believe you...and then you are not smart enough to check your own links.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:57 am
    "There`s "Neighborhood Watch" signs around their community, Z put them up? You got proof? Where did he get them? Does the NW organization just hand them out? "

    Just FYI, my neighborhood (in Florida) is really tiny. Like, you can see the whole neighborhood except maybe 2-3 houses just by standing in the entrance. We have a "neighborhood watch" sign at the front of our neighborhood. All it means is that we`ll call the police if we see anything happening at our neighbors house. It does not mean we have neighbors who patrol our neighborhood, because we don`t.
  100. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:58 am
    >>>Zimmerman was the `only member`? You got a link? <<<

    Here`s a link showing that he wasn`t even a member of an affiliated Neighbourhood Watch programme. From the link:



    "There are about 22,000 registered neighbourhood watch groups worldwide and Zimmerman was not part of a registered group which police were aware of, Chris Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch told ABC News."
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:58 am
    Here`s how I see questioning going...

    Prosecutor: Why did you shoot M., Mr. Z.?
    Z.: Because he attacked me and I was scared for my life.
    Prosecutor: Why do you imagine he attacked you, Mr. Z.?
    Z.: I have no idea. I`m entirely innocent. I was minding my own business, just being a law-abiding citizen and he attacked me. For NO REASON!
    Prosecutor: Did M. have any reason to regard YOU as a threat? Did you encounter him in any way prior to the altercation during which he was shot?
    Z.: No. He just came at me like a wild man.
    Prosecutor: Very well. Prosecution rests.

    And if I were on that jury, I`d say, guilty of at least manslaughter. It`s total BS that Z. has no culpability in this. It defies logic. But, oh well.
  102. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:01 am
    MacGuffin you are the TYPICAL liberal. The story on the first photo makes no mention of how he got the shiner, and the second one was not arrested for murder because the two victims defended themselves. A quote from your own link "The tattoo artist and customer were not seriously injured." Make up s*it and enough people will believe you...and then you are not smart enough to check your own links.

    My point is that they were each arrested for murder, despite being bloody themselves. What is your point?
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2345 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:03 am
    I hope Martin knocked the poo out of this stalker before he was killed and it looks like he did.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:05 am
    SmagBoy: You couldn`t find Zimmerman guilty of manslaughter because he wasn`t charged with that, he was charged with 2nd degree murder, no jury can lessen the charge. They have to rule on the charge and evidence presented.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:06 am
    I don`t know what to make of it so I won`t be making any conclusions.
    But, I would think that being hit on the back of the head wouldn`t result in a gun being fired back. He sounded fine on the previous phone calls too and was following Trayvon somewhere. So he had a grudge after being attacked and shot him, or shot him during the fight. But again, why was he following him if he hadn`t been assaulted yet. And whatever happened, being hit on the back of the head doesn`t mean you can fire a gun back. It`s murder and he`s guilty of killing someone.
  106. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:07 am
    jamie: Go back under your bridge. You`re more obvious than usual this time.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:10 am
    8BitHero: being hit on the back of the head doesn`t mean you can fire a gun back.

    Under Florida`s stand your ground law, yes you can fire back from getting hit in the head.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
    1511 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:10 am
    Wow, these comments are frustrating to read. Some people are so entrenched in their stance that they will never see the truth.
    Keep it up @5Cats, I don`t have the stomach to argue with these closed-minded race-baiters.
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    clockwork208 Male 30-39
    835 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:11 am
    I just have to wonder if they are going to tamper with the "Stand Your Ground" law or not after this. And will other states be influenced to review theirs?
  110. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:12 am
    Unfortunately for you, the professionals who are qualified to determine what stalking is. : ).

    He wasn`t a member of any affiliated Neighbourhood Watch, as the link I provided below demonstrates. As for "leader of" - do you imagine he won an election or something? O_o
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:14 am
    Thank you for admitting you were wrong @MacGuffin! You say 7, I say 11, _W_ neither is "absurd" eh?

    What the feck are you on about?
  112. Profile photo of CRAIGJ
    CRAIGJ Male 40-49
    143 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:14 am
    Are you serious! The second guy WAS NOT arrested for murder (READ YOUR OWN LINK)! He looks like that because the two people fought back like it appears Zimmerman did. The point is you are making statements that are not true.
  113. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:25 am
    I do see 5cats claiming Trayvon started the physical conflict with no proof that it`s true,
    Yeah, sorry about that. SOMEONE deleted ALL my submissions, eh? Not joking, all of them. So I re-submitted the "proof" which I think deserves it`s own discussion thread.

    I hope Martin knocked the poo out of this stalker before he was killed and it looks like he did.
    @jamie you are really a typical liberal! Advocating violence is OK if you HATE the other side! Go on, kill whitey! He deserves it!

    @SmagBoy you`re just being silly now... childish even.

    Keep it up @5Cats, I don`t have the stomach to argue with these closed-minded race-baiters.
    Thanks @DingDinDong! I`ll do my best!

    @MacGuffin: Z`s neighbors say he was their NW Captain, what more do you need? What evidence do you offer to refute that?
  114. Profile photo of exfire
    exfire Male 60-69
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    April 20, 2012 at 11:26 am
    Why doesn`t the MSM show what Martin looked like the nigth of the shooting instead of showing the pic of him went he was 13 ? I"ll tell you why,because they don`t want to show him as he was...nothing more a low-life street thug....
  115. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:28 am
    @MacGuffin: Z`s neighbors say he was their NW Captain, what more do you need? What evidence do you offer to refute that?

    Now I`m going to ask you for a link to prove what you say.
  116. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:28 am
    What the feck are you on about?
    YOUR claim that Z made "an absurd" number of calls to 911.

    You`ve really dug a deep hole for yourself @MacGuffin, how absurd of you!
  117. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:30 am
    Are you serious! The second guy WAS NOT arrested for murder (READ YOUR OWN LINK)! He looks like that because the two people fought back like it appears Zimmerman did. The point is you are making statements that are not true.

    Oh, I`m sorry - the second guy was arrested for *attempted* murder with a sword, not murder. Which of course makes all the difference to my point that he was charged with a serious offence involving assault with a weapon, despite being bloody himself.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 11:32 am
    "because they don`t want to show him as he was...nothing more a low-life street thug...."

    Even if this were true, it wouldn`t be justification for the shooting. We already know that Martin was there to visit his Dad. It`s not like he was there to steal TVs.
  119. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:32 am
    YOUR claim that Z made "an absurd" number of calls to 911.

    You`ve really dug a deep hole for yourself @MacGuffin, how absurd of you!

    I believe I`ve made clear, I *do* consider a call to police every 9 weeks for eight years to be an absurd number of contacts with the police. I worked in the police, and even I never called them that many times!
  120. Profile photo of CRAIGJ
    CRAIGJ Male 40-49
    143 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:33 am
    MacGuffin.."Now I`m going to ask you for a link to prove what you say." Why when your links disprove what you say. Hypocrite!
  121. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 11:38 am
    CrakrJak: Please tell me why, if it`s okay to shoot someone in self-defense, Trayvon Martin wasn`t allowed to defend himself with his fists? That`s why there needs to be a trial. Trayvon Martin isn`t around to tell his side of the story. You automatically assume that Zimmerman was the only one who felt threatened.

    If that was your kid, you would demand a trial too.
  122. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:54 am
    "I worked in the police, and even I never called them that many times!"

    Do you live in a high crime neighborhood? 8 burlaries, 9 thefts AND a shooting per year in the last year?
    Are you part of NW (don`t quibble!) and often `patrol` your area?

    Far from absurd, I`d say it`s a sign he`s an upstanding citizen.

    "Lee (Police Chief) said the neighborhood watch, which works directly with police, started two months ago after the community was hit with several property crimes. Zimmerman was the leader."

    LINKY!
  123. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 11:55 am
    Please tell me why, if it`s okay to shoot someone in self-defense, Trayvon Martin wasn`t allowed to defend himself with his fists?

    @FoolsPrussia: Because Martin attacked Zimmerman, that`s why! DUH! You got proof it was the other way? Evidence? ANYthing other than emotion?

    Didn`t think so.
  124. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    To repeat my opening arguement:

    Liberals: Zimmerman wasn`t injured!
    Photo of Z`s injury.
    Liberals: But there`s no blood!
    Photo of blood
    Liberals: Aw! That`s not MUCH blood!

    The Worshipers of Saint Martin will never be happy, even when Zimmerman is aquitted.

    Still stands! Actually been reinforced by several rabid liberal postings...
  125. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    "Because Martin attacked Zimmerman, that`s why! DUH! You got proof it was the other way? Evidence? ANYthing other than emotion?

    Didn`t think so."

    But you don`t even know how the fight started. That`s why there needs to be an investigation, and Martin can`t tell his side.
  126. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    Lee (Police Chief) said the neighborhood watch, which works directly with police, started two months ago after the community was hit with several property crimes. Zimmerman was the leader."

    That`s a statement by the Sanford Police Chief concerning Zimmerman`s alleged link to the Neighbourhood Watch. However, the actual statement of yours that I asked you to provide evidence for was "Z`s neighbors say he was their NW Captain".

    We`ve already established that the police initially reported wrong information about Zimmerman (i.e. that he`d made 46 calls to them "since 2011" when it was in fact 2004). And, since they decide not to charge him and someone else now has, what the Sanford Police have to say is neither here nor there. I`ve also provided you with a link that shows the national Neighbourhood Watch spokesman says he was nothing to do with them.

    ...
  127. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    So, I ask you again, do you have a link that backs your allegation that "Z`s neighbors say he was their NW Captain"?
  128. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    Let`s just boil down the issue of contention i.e. when did SYG come into effect: Was it when Z pursued M, or when M allegedly attacked Z? I suppose either side is possible, and the only point I make is that if Z went up to M in a casual, non-threatening fashion and M attacked him, then Z was within SYG. If Z approached M in an allegedly or assumed-to-be hostile manner, then I believe M was within SYG.
  129. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    You couldn`t find Zimmerman guilty of manslaughter because he wasn`t charged with that... Agreed, CrakrJak. That`s what bothered me about Casey Anthony, too. No way they were ever going to prove first degree. Oh well. But, yes, you`re correct. I was just being silly.

    @SmagBoy you`re just being silly now... childish even.

    I`ll agree with the "silly", 5Cats. But, my point was that I don`t know what else Zimmerman could say? I mean, let`s face it, he really *did* instigate the confrontation. It`s not like he was just sitting there on the curb minding his own business. The "childish", though? Nah. Just making a point that, while I`m not strong on one side or the other of this thing (even though I`m a raging liberal), I do think that Zimmerman should`t be allowed to shoot someone dead after initiating the confrontation between himself and an unarmed man. Not blaming him, not saying he`s evil, just saying he ho
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    lds some responsibility here.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    @MacGuffin: I`ll save 5cats the trouble. He WAS chosen by the neighbourhood, but it wasn`t a registered group, just volunteer, and the Sheriff`s office gives them guidelines for what to do, which generally is to observe and report, nothing more.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    Thanks @patchy! I was sifting through news items, yours is terrific!
    I Found This Indicating that his neighbors LIKED his efforts, and they trusted him. Of course others didn`t, you cannot please everyone.

    @SmagBoy, when my re-submitted posting gets put up, we can discuss what `might have happened` in detail. I readily admit: we don`t know what happened! It`s likely we never will "know everything" too. But some things seem (at the moment) more likely than others.

    And backed by the 911 recording: Martin had 90+ seconds to walk home undetected.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    Well it`s over now.

    Sharpton and Martin`s parents will spin it though.
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    Apexs Male 30-39
    355 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    LOL i really love reading the same people "pound sand" over and over. Everyone thinks they know the truth but none of you were there to watch it all go down. Chill out because you are making yourself look like this
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    Kaagan Male 18-29
    1601 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    they cant still be serious in charging this guy, just to please the public
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    tttaylorrr Female 18-29
    90 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    the facts are sitting in front of everyone`s face, stop trying to reach for a different answer.

    people, there`s a law that protects this man for what he did; he said it was self-defense, so what he did was LEGAL because of this law, period. we can`t change that. half of the story is dead, there`s nothing we can do about it; none of us know what happened, no matter what the media tries to tell you. all we have is the evidence left behind. the only thing that zimmerman has to do now is prove it was self-defense, which, as the evidence is coming out, he can. the best that will come out of this for those of you that want something done will be for florida and other states to look at this law and amend it for the future to prevent things like this from happening again.

    trayvon shouldn`t have died that night; it was a sad set of circumstances, but don`t let a racial view, emotions or the media try to tell you only one side of the story. let this be settled in the courts, no
  137. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6254 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    Two things after reading this group.

    NO ONE has stated that Z had a right to defend himself but M didn`t. BOTH had the right to defend themself IF attacked. (asking someone what they`re up to does not constitute an attack).

    It DOES NOT MATTER what the 911 operator told Z. A 911 operator has no authority to tell anyone to do anythig and have it binding in law. Usually a 911 operator is not even an officer.

    Also, why do they keep using a picture of Treyvon thats five years old:


    Rather than a more recent one:


    You know, the one he used on his twitter account `No_LIMIT_NIGGA` and tweeted such sage advice as “Plzz shoot da #mf dat lied 2U"
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    tttaylorrr Female 18-29
    90 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    *not online.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 1:14 pm
    Look at all the logical, sensible people!

    Zimmerman is not guilty.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 1:21 pm
    @tttaylorrr: You bring a voice of sanity to this discussion, I thank you!
    The only thing I`d disagree with is that I think "Stand Your Ground" laws, and "Castle" laws have saved way more lives than they`ve harmed.
    It wasn`t the SYG law that got Martin shot, but it DID protect Z against useless criminal charges, for a while at least.

    True that @MeGrendel: I`ve said from Day 1: If Z attacked M? Then M had every right to defend himself and Z should goto jail.
    Even if Z `flashed the gun` that would invalidate the SYG defense!
    But, so far, no evidence that either of those things happened.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 1:22 pm
    Actually 5cats: If Z flashed the gun, it was a "Attack at your own peril" situation, and is legal.

    Flashing the gun is a legal, and effective deterrent.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 1:33 pm
    vv Oh, That may be true @aj, I hadn`t thought about it like that.
    In Canada, If I show a pistol to a robber armed with a knife? I get arrested! @LazyMe says "Oh but the charges won`t stick" which is likely true, but still: charged, booked, cavity search, arraigned, court, lawyers.

    No thanks! I :heart: "Castle Laws"!
  143. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 1:42 pm
    FoolsPrussia: If Martin felt `threatened" why didn`t he hang up on his GF and call 911 himself ? or why didn`t he run home ? Martin never mentioned that he felt threatened to his GF on the phone, just that he `lost him`.

    I believe, and can not prove, that Martin, already mad because he was suspended from school, was pissed off that Zimmerman called the police on him and wanted some revenge. I believe he felt he could get away with the assault, because if he heard sirens or see flashing lights he`d have time to run home for cover, before anyone seen it happen.

    That`s would be a typical hood-rat mindset, "What can I get away with today and not get caught".
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
    1677 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 1:44 pm
    So basically theres still no proof that Martin attacked him. We already know there was a scuffle, we just need to know who started it. This pointless picture proves absolutely bollock all either way and people claiming it as definitive proof is clutching at straws and quite frankly embarrassing.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    BOTH had the right to defend themself IF attacked
    Incorrect.
    "A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first."

    Reasonable belief of a threat COULD be Z confronting M. An attack is irrelevant. Like I said in my previous post, the matter is whether Z confronted M in a calm, unthreatening manner, and M attacked Z, or if Z confronted M in a manner he felt threatened, then M had no obligation to retreat and attack was legally justified.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
    1677 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 1:47 pm
    "I believe, and can not prove, that Martin, already mad because he was suspended from school, was pissed off that Zimmerman called the police on him and wanted some revenge."

    You believe a someone, guilty of no crime and who knew the police were en route, thought it was a good idea to violently attack a local man?

    Dear sweet Jesus.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    `I believe, and can not prove, that Martin, already mad because he was suspended from school, was pissed off that Zimmerman called the police on him and wanted some revenge. I believe he felt he could get away with the assault, because if he heard sirens or see flashing lights he`d have time to run home for cover, before anyone seen it happen.

    That`s would be a typical hood-rat mindset, "What can I get away with today and not get caught".`

    Amazing. Just amazing.
  148. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    paddy: Such is hood-rat mentality paddy. Martin had been suspended from school before for fighting and on a second occasion for being in possession of stolen goods (womens jewelry), along with the paraphernalia and baggy that tested positive for marijuana that got him suspended the last time.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 2:09 pm


    This sums up the hood-rat attitude pretty well.
  150. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    I believe, and can not prove, that Zimmerman, already mad because there`s a black person in his neighbourhood, was pissed off that Martin was talking on his phone and wanted some revenge. I believe he felt he could get away with the confrontation, because he knew sirens and flashing lights were imminent, that he`d have time to run shoot him and claim defense, before anyone seen it happen.

    Do you see how bigoted and ridiculous this sounds?
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 2:16 pm
    Oh, MacGuffin scoffs at these injuries too.
  152. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 2:18 pm
    I know I`ve asked this before, but does anyone else think it`s weird that CrakrJak`s avi is The Dude, when he really is more of a Walter?
  153. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 2:19 pm
    patchgrabber: How is it bigoted ? I know people of all races that think like this, I lived in a homeless shelter for 4 months, I`ve seen it in person.

    And yes, I do believe hood-rat mentality is ridiculous too. How people can think and live that way is beyond me, but that`s how it really is on the streets.
  154. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 2:22 pm
    FoolsPrussia: I`d never pull a gun out on someone that crossed the foul line. I`m the sort of person, just like the Dude, that would try and talk a person like Walter down from doing something stupid.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    The Dude would probably buy weed from this Trayvon you`ve constructed in your head.

    You`re being very un-Dude.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    "Martin had been suspended from school before for fighting and on a second occasion for being in possession of stolen goods (womens jewelry), along with the paraphernalia and baggy that tested positive for marijuana that got him suspended the last time."

    Nice spin and lies, CJ. Trayvon was never suspended for fighting. He was suspended for graffiti, skipping school/showing up late to class, and for the bag with traces of weed. The jewelry was never found to be stolen, either. And guess what? All of these things, as well as the dumb things he said on his twitter, are completely irrelevant to the case! Kids say/do stupid things, does that mean they deserve to be shot? Would it be okay if you were killed and people dug up all the bad things you`ve said or done in an attempt to show that the person who killed you was justified, even though you weren`t doing anything wrong at the time?
  157. Profile photo of CRAIGJ
    CRAIGJ Male 40-49
    143 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    LillianDulci..What is spin and lies is the photo of the 13yr old innocent looking boy instead of the 17yr old on his way to be a gang banger, and the parents, Sharpton & Jackson portraying him as a good little "boy".
  158. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    CRAIGJ, kids do stupid things and how he looked in a picture he took for his friends is irrelevant, there`s no proof that Trayvon did anything wrong in the situation. I have pictures of myself from when I was 14-15 where I looked mean and I even posted them on my myspace way back when, because I was bored and felt like taking the pictures. I was still a really sweet and polite kid though, but I was also a bored kid with a webcam who didn`t think "hey maybe someone will kill me and their supporters will use these pictures against me". I`m sure you`re fine with CJ`s blatant lies and the smear campaign by Zimmerman supporters though.
  159. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 4:03 pm
    I lived in a homeless shelter for 4 months, I`ve seen it in person.
    Real Life > IAB Comments.

    We already know there was a scuffle, we just need to know who started it.
    True @paddy, but the more we learn, the more Zimmerman`s story is supported, and the more questions we have about Martin. In both cases: as a person And their actions that night.

    Reasonable belief of a threat COULD be Z confronting M.
    No @patchy, not in a million years.

    Do you see how bigoted and ridiculous this sounds?
    Sounds no worse than: Zimmerman came up to a black boy and shot him in cold blood for `being black`. That`s what Sharpton et al have been screaming all along!
  160. Profile photo of CRAIGJ
    CRAIGJ Male 40-49
    143 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    LillianDulci..My point is why put up the 4yr old photo other than to try and whip up the mob? Who are you going to blame when Zimmerman gets aquitted and everything starts to burn? Why don`t the "leaders" of the black community spend a quarter of this amount of energy protesting against what happens everyday in there neighborhoods? The ONLY reason this is a national/global story is because Zimmerman is not black.
  161. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 4:51 pm



    That`s Trayvon on the right...
  162. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    "why put up the 4yr old photo other than to try and whip up the mob"
    Why use a poor quality bad picture of a kid who didn`t seem to be doing anything wrong when you have better pictures? Also, I`m not sure where they got the original pictures of Trayvon, but it`s very well that they didn`t find or have access to more recent pictures when the news broke, and they feel no reason to switch to different pictures.

    "The ONLY reason this is a national/global story is because Zimmerman is not black."
    Nope. The only reason this is a national story is because Zimmerman was believed by the police and set free even after he clearly just killed someone. They assumed his account was true without a trial, didn`t put him in jail or anything, and that caused an outrage.

    5Cats, why aren`t people posting up that picture and saying "why don`t they use this picture instead of the old one?!?2" he looks perfectly fine there to me. o.o
  163. Profile photo of TheOrigin
    TheOrigin Male 18-29
    500 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 5:25 pm
    Every time, truth is somewhere in between two testimonies.

    Anyways, @LillianDulci: I demand proof of your pics with you looking mean, lest I believeth. ^^
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 5:33 pm
    TheOrigin, nooo, they`re too embarrassing xDD
  165. Profile photo of CRAIGJ
    CRAIGJ Male 40-49
    143 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    If Zimmerman was black or Martin was white we would have never heard of this. And maybe they believed him because thats what the evidence showed and they followed something called the LAW. And he was taken to the police stations in cuffs before he was released.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
    500 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 6:00 pm
    @Lillian: all the more reason to show them to me ^^ (yes, that makes perfect sense...somewhere, somehow xD )
  167. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 6:18 pm
    5Cats, why aren`t people posting up that picture
    @LillianDulci: The REAL question is: how does an old cat in Winnipeg find a recent picture of Trayvon when ALL those MSM "journalists" cannot?
    They have training and resources and everything, but finding a picture that`s less than 4 years old? IMPOSSIBLE It cannot be done (or so they say).

    Awww, put up a picture @Lillian, you know you secretly want to...
  168. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 6:49 pm
    5Cats, there`s a reason I don`t pay attention to "the MSM". Real journalism is pretty much dead now. It`s likely that it`s laziness. But that recent pic you posted, I`ve never seen it `til now, so idk how you even came across it.

    Caving into peer(?) pressure x-x Here`s the "meanest" one imo (in most of them I just looked bored or stupid, this one I look meanish and dumb, idk, I srsly have like 40 pictures like this, I really had tons of time to waste)
    Clicky because not posting this as a picture picture ,_,

    Keep in mind this is ~6 years ago /dies of embarrassment
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    Well, clearly I checked into this thread just in time. =^.^=

    Kind of a cross between Veronica Lake and Steven Seagal: sultry, but ready to kick your butt.
  170. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 7:16 pm
    I came across it in the comments of one of the news reports actually.

    @Lillian, you DO look scary! (and it`s not all that flattering either).

    Thanks though!
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 7:34 pm
    Aww, I liked it. Cute. And +5 Bonus Points for being brave enough to share!
  172. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 8:17 pm
    Lillian: Kids say/do stupid things, does that mean they deserve to be shot?

    That depends on just how stupid they get now doesn`t it ? Martin was apparently stupid enough to not just go home, stupid enough to not call the police and stupid enough to start a fight.

    Stupidity can get you in trouble very quickly.
  173. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6254 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 8:59 pm
    LillianDulci-"set free even after he clearly just killed someone."

    There are several reasons why a person who just killed someone may not be in custody. Self defense cheif amoung them.

    Killing someone =/= a crime.

    A case just happened here: A promising young woman, High School volleyball player with good outlooks. She`s now in the hospital dying from a bullet that passed completely through her head.

    Why? She decided to join her boyfriend her his pals breaking into fishing camps around here. Someone heard them, caught them and saw them carrying a weapon (.22 rifle). A warning shot was fired and the girl ended up getting shot.

    Now she`s in the hospital, her 17 year old bf and his 17 year old friends are in jail, charged as adults with Burglary 1st. When she dies there`s a very good chance they will be charged with murder.

    The guy that fired the shot has not been charged, and probably will not be.

    So she will di
  174. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    It seems that every little piece of evidence that leaks out supports GZ`s side of the story.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 10:54 pm
    This is where the bait and switch happens people.

    The Media will now begin to support Zimmerman, to whip Sharpton and the biased mob into a frenzy again.

    Once the trial begins however, the double flip occurs, and they begin to support Martin`s side, and start to vilify Zimmerman again....

    ....and you will watch it. I will watch it. We will watch the ads. We will buy the products in the ads. The networks win again.
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
    616 posts
    April 21, 2012 at 4:40 am
    Lol, unless I missed it, is this the first controversial pic on IAB that no one has claimed to be shopped?

    Side question: Don`t own an iPhone 4S, but I remember as recently as iPhone4 that when you took pictures it did not have built in functionality to capture details such as time stamps, any clarity here on the subject?
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
    646 posts
    April 21, 2012 at 9:21 am
    He was armed and didn`t have any authority or right to chase down this kid, let alone shoot him. Racially motivated or not, it`s complete nonsense the guy wasn`t charged in the first place, as police detectives wanted. He murdered a completely innocent teen.
  178. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 21, 2012 at 9:32 am
    "He was armed and didn`t have any authority or right to chase down this kid, let alone shoot him."

    Z didn`t chase M down as far as we know. Just as much evidence points to M doubling back and attacking Z.

    "Racially motivated or not, it`s complete nonsense the guy wasn`t charged in the first place, as police detectives wanted. He murdered a completely innocent teen."

    Murdered, or shot?

    Shooting someone =/= murder.
  179. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    April 21, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    Lol, unless I missed it, is this the first controversial pic on IAB that no one has claimed to be shopped?
    @mischief954: You may be correct! No one on this thread has claimed it to be fake or shopped.

    There was a claim it was self-inflicted though, but that`s not the same.
  180. Profile photo of TheOrigin
    TheOrigin Male 18-29
    500 posts
    April 21, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    @Lillian: D`awwwwww ^^ Thank you for your courage, it`s a rather nice photograph indeed :)
  181. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    April 22, 2012 at 1:57 am
    Maybe it was Trayvon acting in self defense- after all, he was clearly being stalked by an over-zealous self-appointed vigilante.

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