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Date: 04/09/12 06:00 PM

129 Responses to Who Here Hates Gays. I Mean REALLY Hates Them?

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 3:16 pm
    Link: Who Here Hates Gays. I Mean REALLY Hates Them? - You? Really? Then you probably have gay tendencies yourself.
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    Bredlom Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    Id hate to see what goes on behind the scenes at the Westboro
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 6:17 pm
    The most homophobic dude I know loves watching two barely-clothed, sweaty men rolling around on the ground. That`s right, he loves watching the UFC. I`d point it out to him but he could kick my ass.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 6:29 pm
    I love gay people and gay people love me, noooo not that way silly!!!
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 6:34 pm
    what he is referring to is what is called a Reaction Formation. that is a defense mechanism that a person forms when they see a trait or quality in themselves that runs very counter to what they are taught to believe and what is the norm for their group.

    in other words, if a person is taught that gays are going to hell and to be gay is to be horrible but at the same time the person recognizes some level of attraction to the same sex, they may rail against gays publicly...hence the reason MANY of these type have been caught up in gay scandals.

    it is truly difficult to see how someone could be so hate filled towards a group that has realistically done no damage to them unless the are themselves fighting something deep within themselves that they cannot reconcile.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 6:38 pm
    Who Here Hates Christians. I Mean REALLY Hates Them?. You? Really? Then you probably have Christian tendencies yourself.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 9, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Another way to tell is if the man is Republican then he`s probably gay.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 9, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    LOL @ CrakrJak - good one
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    CrakrJak: probably the only thing i can EVER agree with you on...
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    Ted Haggard is completely heterosexual
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 7:17 pm
    is this the "I know you are but what am I" theory?
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 7:18 pm
    Uh... what?

    Hmm, I guess I can understand what he`s getting at... about the homophobes and haters. But why is there so much homo stuff in society lately? I just don`t get it. I really think I am a 0 on the Kinsey scale. If I was even a 1, I would have explored that avenue. Trust me, I`m drawn towards the unusual. But no, another mans hairy, sweaty ass doesn`t do it for me.

    My opinion: There`s nothing wrong with being gay, but there`s nothing right about it either.

    So, I guess by making that statement someone is going to turn it around and say I`m a homophobe and a hater and therefore a homo myself, blah, blah, blah... nah, just really tired of the gay fad.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 9, 2012 at 7:48 pm
    I seriously doubt that there`s much correlation one way or another on this.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 7:55 pm
    I dont hate gays, just hate it when they hit on me. ackward moments
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 9, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    @ Fatninja01 - What a coincidence.
    That`s exactly what girls say about you.
  16. Profile photo of Scuzoid
    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 8:16 pm
    I watch an average amount of porn. I obsess during football season and enjoy UFC. I don`t care about this guys video, I want to take his subconscious homo test just so I can prove what I already sorta figure.

    Being a little gay is fine. Gay stuff is usually fun or funny as long as it doesn`t involve my anus.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 8:28 pm
    Who Here Hates Christians. I Mean REALLY Hates Them?. You? Really? Then you probably have Christian tendencies yourself.
    Crakrjak, I don`t hate Christians. Christianity, I have a beef with, along with many organised religions.

    What is it you guys always say homosexuals? Love the sinner, hate the sin? Well, I love the religious people, hate the religion.

    Now, do you see how redundant and hurtful it is when (some) Christians absolve themselves of hatred by claiming to love homos, but what they practice is a sin. For which they`re going to burn in hell for all eternity if they act on their natural urges?

    Also, Gerry just won the thread. Fatninja got spanked.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 8:37 pm
    @davymid While I am a deist myself, I feel the need to defend Christianity(to a degree) since there probably aren`t any that actually visit I-A-B. When Christians use the term "love the sinner, hate the sin" in regards to homosexuality, they aren`t indirectly saying hateful things. According to what most Christian`s believe, all mortals are sinners, and all they can do is try their hardest to avoid that sin and repent for it. The media and bandwagon atheists(I swear to God, you people just become atheist because you think it`s cool) have painted religious folk to be hateful individuals, when most of them are just perfectly nice folk.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 8:43 pm
    I know someone who`s the typical anti-gay christian republican type, who is at the very least bi. He happened to loan me his computer without removing his gay porn :| I internally face palm every time he goes on anti gay (gay marriage is bad and gay people are going to hell etc) rants.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 8:45 pm
    @LillianDulci I didn`t realize you hung out with the Westboro Babtist Church.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 8:45 pm
    Why not try studying why people are gay rather than why someone dislikes gays? We apparently don`t want to know.
  22. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 8:49 pm
    @AvatarJohn While I think some just like to stick their wanger in another guy`s rumphole - which is perfectly fine, it`s just not my cup of tea, I do think that there are a good bit of people these days that are just doing it because they think it`s hip and rebellious.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 8:54 pm
    "Why not try studying why people are gay" Because people wouldn`t be able to argue over it if there were any type of solid proof, oh wait...
  24. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    ivran, WBC aren`t the only people who think gay people are going to hell. o_O
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    "I do think that there are a good bit of people these days that are just doing it because they think it`s hip and rebellious."

    I somehow doubt there`s a single straight man on the planet that has gay sex just to piss off his father. Gay men acting annoyingly flamboyant and super emotional when they really don`t act like that at home, sure. Straight men acting uber metro and getting having "girls night out", sure. But actual anal, nah.

    And no one cares when women are les/bi, so that`s clearly not acting out.
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:10 pm
    I couldn`t get past his pendulous head bobbing.
  27. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:12 pm
    @Scuzoid
    Where did you get "pissing off their dad" and that they were straight? All homosexuality is is being sexually attracted to the same sex and acting upon said attraction. When I say "rebellious" I mean more like how hipsters try to rebel against society. I highly doubt this explosion of homosexuality in our society is completely natural. I understand that most homosexuals are the way they are because that`s just the way they are, but I`m sure others are just because it`s convenient at the time and gives them some sense of self-righteousness.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:15 pm
    "I highly doubt this explosion of homosexuality in our society is completely natural. "

    It`s really easy to explain this. As we become more accepting of gay people as a society, gay people feel more secure to be open about their homosexuality. There`s not a sudden surge of gay people; there`s the same amount of gay people as there always has been. They just aren`t being forced to spend their lifetime in the closet.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    @LillianDulci Yea, but you are making it out to be some common idea, which it is not. I don`t know why you try to villanize everyone, including this friend of yours, but there`s really no point in it. Faulkner once said "Don`t bother just to be better than your contemporaries or predecessors. Try to be better than yourself." Acting morally superior to those around you does nothing but alienate yourself from your friends and family who most likely care about you. You aren`t ever going to make yourself a better person by looking down on everyone else, you gotta look down on yourself.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:19 pm
    @LillianDulci While I know that`s partly true, I don`t really think we have become more accepting of homosexuality as a society in recent times. It`s been that way for a good 10 or so years now, and yet it seems there are more and more openly gay people each day. I admit, that might just be media influence, but I don`t know. Seems fishy to me.
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    FreedomFrie Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:19 pm
    this is just a complicated intellectual way for that old dude to come out of the closet
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:20 pm
    "I dont hate gays, just hate it when they hit on me. ackward moments"

    It`s when gays stop hitting on you that you have to worry. I`m curious why it is so awkward? I would think it would just be flattering. Doesn`t sound like you are too secure in your sexuality. My type puts me in the position where I accidentally hit on a few straight guys but they have never seamed to care. A few of the drunker ones even let me have some fun.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:23 pm
    @markust123 I get where he`s coming from. It`s got nothing to do with the homosexuality in itself, but more to do with the situation, like how you respond and stuff..
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:27 pm
    "When Christians use the term "love the sinner, hate the sin" in regards to homosexuality, they aren`t indirectly saying hateful things."

    Funny because this is one of the most hateful things people can say to me. If the bible is true Jesus would never had said something so hurtful. Why should you?
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    bebeC Female 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    i don`t hate gays, but recently, one of my close friends came out, and entered his first homosexual relationship. now, he`s so f*****g annoying. he`s always bragging about his sex life and and how he loves being f***ed up the arse. worse is, he goes on about how i should spice up my own sex life with different positions. well, screw him, i`m not about to take anything up the arse. i hope not all gay people are like that.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:29 pm
    "I get where he`s coming from. It`s got nothing to do with the homosexuality in itself, but more to do with the situation, like how you respond and stuff."

    I can see that. I admit when I zero in on someone I can be relentless. That could get awkward.
  37. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:30 pm
    @markust123 I don`t, I`m a deist. I don`t understand why you think it to be hurtful though. It sure as hell is better than what some religious organizations think of you guys -cough- Babtists -cough- Muslims -cough-.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:30 pm
    @ivran Baptists*
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:31 pm
    @bebeC Like I said, some people do it because that`s the way they are, some people do it because they think it`s cool.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:36 pm
    " Like I said, some people do it because that`s the way they are, some people do it because they think it`s cool."

    And you`re wrong. Bebe`s friend isn`t gay because he wants to be "special" or "rebellious" in society, he`s an annoying flamboyant perv because he wants to be "special" or "rebellious" in society. He`d still be gay regardless of whether or not it was the "hip" thing to do. You don`t just flip a switch and say "Ya know what, I need something to separate myself from my peers and all this pussy I`ve been getting lately is boring. Imma start fraking guys in da butt." Lillian is right.
  41. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:38 pm
    @Scuzoid It`s as simple as a preference. If it were some sort of hardcoded desire then bisexuality wouldn`t exist. Bi`s just don`t give a drat. They just like to stick their wangers in some holes.
    Also, I was kidding. It was a joke. I don`t really think that bros friend is bandwagon gay.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:42 pm
    davymid: you should should "hate" the people "practicing" the religion...almost all religions are built around peace and understanding. its the people who get the meaning all FUBAR...
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:42 pm
    "Yea, but you are making it out to be some common idea, which it is not. I don`t know why you try to villanize everyone, including this friend of yours, but there`s really no point in it."

    So I accurately described the person I was talking about as what he is. He`s anti gay (shown through his many arguments about how gay people are going to hell and gay marriage is bad). He`s christian. He`s republican. He is the definition of a typical "anti-gay christian republican". I`m not saying all christians are anti-gay or republicans. I`m not saying all republicans are anti-gay or christian. I`m accurately describing the person I`m talking about in order to describe the situation. Basically, he`s a big hypocrite because he at least slightly likes penis and yet he continues to rant against them. Which is what this post is about. Why am I not allowed to point out such hypocrisy?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:42 pm
    "I don`t understand why you think it to be hurtful though."

    Because it is attacking a part of me. Being gay doesn`t define me but it is very core to my being. My natural sexual feelings are not a sin. There are many churches that don`t teach this hurtful saying. Because of that I say it is bigoted when a church does.
  45. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:44 pm
    "I don`t really think we have become more accepting of homosexuality as a society in recent times. It`s been that way for a good 10 or so years now, and yet it seems there are more and more openly gay people each day."

    10 years is pretty damn recent. We continue to progress as a society and become even more accepting of others. More people are speaking out in favor of gay people and making them feel more comfortable. There`s more communities for gay people to go to for support when their familys are against them. All of these things contribute to the increase. Idk why you think something`s "fishy" when it`s just our society progressing.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:45 pm
    @LillianDulci Okay, maybe your little wanger-loving friend is really like that. I`ll trust you this time, but `personal experience` on the internet doesn`t really count for a lot, as there is a high chance that it is completely bullpoo.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:47 pm
    @LillianDulci When I say recent, I mean within the last 1-2 years. Public acceptance of homosexuality hasn`t really rocketed in proportion to the prominence of gays in culture, which now that I think about it, it`s probably just more media bullpoo.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:48 pm
    "i don`t hate gays, but recently, one of my close friends came out, and entered his first homosexual relationship. now, he`s so f*****g annoying..."

    He`s your friend, you are perfectly in your right to tell him to tone it down around you. Being closeted is like a bottle under pressure. You can`t talk about your feelings. You can`t act upon your feelings. The pressure builds and builds. When the top finally pops we fizz for a bit but then we calm down.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:49 pm
    @markust123 I understand why you don`t agree with it or believe it, but I don`t understand why it hurts you personally even though they believe similar things about themselves, such as natural sexual urges and attraction towards multiple women.
  50. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:49 pm
    ivran, there`s a chance for anything on the internet to be a lie. I could be a hairy 90 year old man who likes little children for all you know. But I really don`t have a reason to lie about that (I`m not a 90 year old pedo okay o.o) nor do I have a reason to lie about someone loaning me their laptop and not removing their gay porn before they did so. Even if you don`t believe me, there have been maaannnyy cases of politicians who ran on anti-gay positions and were later found out to have gay affairs and whatnot. It`s essentially the same thing, other than the person I know isn`t a politician.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:51 pm
    "When I say recent, I mean within the last 1-2 years."

    I personally haven`t noticed a huge change in the last 2 years. You are most likely just becoming more aware of it or paying more attention to it than you used to.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:51 pm
    The media and bandwagon atheists(I swear to God, you people just become atheist because you think it`s cool) have painted religious folk to be hateful individuals, when most of them are just perfectly nice folk.
    Dude, you read me wrong. Let me paint you a picture.

    I grew up in Belfast, Northern Ireland, in the mid-1980s. When I was in school, a bomb would go off, shake the foundations of the building. Teacher would wait for the dust to settle (literally) and then continue the lesson. Tanks would roll down my street as a kid, as frequently as cars. More than once I noticed a rustling in the bushes, to find an Army sniper hidden in there, in full ghillie suit. I`d go on, but I think you get the point.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:52 pm
    And what was all that fiasco in Northern Ireland about? One faction of Christians fighting against another faction of Christians (Catholics vs. Protestants), for believing in a slightly different flavour of Christianity. F*ck that noise.

    Please do me the service of not calling me a hipster. I`m not an atheist because I think it`s "cool". I`m an atheist because I have seen, first-hand, what it`s capable of, for one.

    p.s. save me all that "they weren`t *true* Christians" bullcum. Heard it all before. They`ll say the same about you.
  54. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:03 pm
    @davymid
    Man`s hatred for one another and lust for violence and war isn`t a byproduct of religion, and if you truly believe that it is, then you are naive and put too much faith in humanity. Religion has never been the sole cause of a war, it is always just another excuse for the war. You should watch the episode of South Park where Eric freezes himself so he doesn`t have to wait for the launch of the Nintendo Wii.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:04 pm
    @davymid
    Also, I used the term `you` to address the general public, not you specifically. I`m not religious, I don`t give a damn what you believe, but I think it is hypocritical for you to judge what others believe when you complain about them judging you.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:10 pm
    "I understand why you don`t agree with it or believe it, but I don`t understand why it hurts you personally even though they believe similar things about themselves, such as natural sexual urges and attraction towards multiple women."

    I read a gay news blog. For one I hear repeatedly how much "I love the sinner, but hate the sin" hurts our gay youth. It is such a damaging statement. Maybe not as damaging as "gays are going to go to hell" but it is up there. I think the real question is why do people think it is OK to say this phrase in public? I don`t care what people think but when they say something like this out in the open there is a good chance of hurting someone, and that my friend is when the line of bigotry has been crossed.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:11 pm
    Fair enough Ivran.

    You lost my attention at the bit where you referred me to an episode of South Park.
  58. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:21 pm
    @markust123 Because they don`t say it with the intention of hurting anybody. That phrase wasn`t invented for homosexuality, but has been a general phrase directed at any sort of sin. They are saying what they believe, just as you say what you believe. This country was founded on the tolerance that allows both beliefs to peacefully coexist.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:22 pm
    @davymid Not a fan, eh? I only deferred you to it because that is what the episode is about, but you don`t have to watch it if you don`t want to :(.
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    mon360 Male 13-17
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:25 pm
    For all the christians saying that homosexuality is wrong, Jesus said himself that...well i don`t remember what he said but it was something about accepting everyone.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:28 pm
    "Because they don`t say it with the intention of hurting anybody."

    Being ignorant to the hurt one inflicts on people is no excuse.

    I`ve been in this conversation way too long. I`m going to go soak in the hot tub. Have a wonderful evening.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:35 pm
    @mon360 Jesus says whatever people need him to say to suit their arguments. That`s the problem religious texts.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:41 pm
    @markust123 Alright, I`ll agree with that, but one last thing. Is it not possible that you yourself are guilty of this as well? And that perhaps you should just try to explain to people that them saying that is hurtful to you?
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    PoliSciGuy Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:47 pm
    I made an account just to say this. @ivran the fight in Northern Ireland was about more than just religion, but it was religion that started it, and it was religion that kept it going. @davymind, my ma is from Derry. She grew up there until a little after granddad moved the family a little after January 30 1972, when my ma`s little brother was shot and killed for protesting. I am not sure if you know of that time or not but my ma can`t seem to forget it. She said it was like the end of the world. Like heaven, and hell were fighting right here in front of her, she said it was bad all through the 60`s-and into the 70`s. It was best to just to be prepared to die, because in all likelihood that is what was going to happen. Before Aedan was killed, Michael, and Pat were arrested. I am named after Michael, her oldest brother, and my middle name comes from Aedan`s middle name. I have only been to Northern Ireland once, it was with my dad, my mom has never come back since they left in 1972.
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    PoliSciGuy Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:51 pm
    I will never now what growing up there was like, but I know what it did to my mother, and her family. Religion can be a terrifying thing in the hands of those who do not know how powerful it really can be, and @davymid my mom always says this, not sure if the the spelling is right but I think it is, cuimhnigh i gconai, anyways I think it means "always remember".
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 11:00 pm
    Typical "gay blame" passing.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 11:49 pm
    davymid: I for one have never said that Christian homosexuals are going to hell.

    Jesus didn`t die for just a few sins, he died for them all, for everybody, for all time.

    I`ve attempted to clarify this Christian belief many times for you. `Living in sin` is the road to destruction, it`s not to be condoned, but it can`t take anyone`s Christian salvation away.

    Our sins hurt Christ on the cross. Since we believe Christ lives in the hearts of Christians, our sins end up hurting a part of ourselves as well. Habitual sin just hurts even more.
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    Selous Male 30-39
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    April 10, 2012 at 12:47 am
    so if someone hates the jews, does that mean they are a closet jew?
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    Samsquanch Male 30-39
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    April 10, 2012 at 3:22 am
    K, Christians...where in Jesus`s teachings did he say that homosexuality was a sin?
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    April 10, 2012 at 6:01 am
    Who Here Hates Gays. I Mean REALLY Hates Them?
    Me!, me!, me! No wait - I thought you said "guys".

    You? Really? Then you probably have gay tendencies yourself.
    Your conclusions may still be valid.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    April 10, 2012 at 6:15 am
    @Samsquash, Jesus also didn`t say you shouldn`t bugger children, because at the time it went without saying.
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
    646 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 6:46 am
    Here`s another sign that someone`s an unconscious homosexual: they equate consenting sex between adults with child rape....

    Come out of the closet, EgalM. It`s ok to be gay.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 7:19 am
    "All homosexuality is is being sexually attracted to the same sex and acting upon said attraction."

    Ah yes, the "if you had sex with a woman you`re straight" argument, so we meet again...
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 7:20 am
    ivran, idk if others feel the same way, but to me "love the sinner, hate the sin" is along the same lines as "I`ll pray for you". To me, both indicate that 1. the person saying it thinks there`s something wrong with their target (even if that something is perfectly natural and they have no control over it), and 2. the person saying it thinks they`re superior to their target. Neither come off as kind or nice phrases, they both come off as smug and belittling and insulting. I can imagine it`s even worse for someone who is young or who actually believes in the same religion as the person saying those phrases.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 8:57 am
    @LillianDulci No, I don`t feel the same way because the term "Love the sinner hate the sin" is traditionally used for everyone. Once again, Christians believe that everyone is a `sinner`.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 8:59 am
    @I-IS-BORED I never said that. Stop pulling stuff out of my comments that I never said.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 9:00 am
    @LillianDulci I also generally don`t give a poo what Christians say is sin or is not sin, so...
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    April 10, 2012 at 9:07 am
    America are still behind
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 9:10 am
    "America are still behind" How is this related to this post or any of these comments?
  80. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 9:46 am
    "Once again, Christians believe that everyone is a `sinner`."

    Yes but they (christians) are focused on this paticular "sin" to such a point that their actions, at the very least, imply this sin is one of the worst and therefore those who commit this sin are some of the worst. If it was just another basic sin it would not be a political hot button.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    April 10, 2012 at 9:49 am
    So if we say homophobes are gay they will stop picking on gays? Utter b*******
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 10:05 am
    @Otto67
    Well, I can`t help what the politicians and media do. I`m just saying that common people aren`t always as hateful as people make them out to be, and that people aren`t as victimized as some people make them out to be.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 10:09 am
    Otto: No one sin is greater than another and there are a lot of `political hot buttons` these days on both sides. Your rhetoric fails.
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    April 10, 2012 at 10:47 am
    In other news, water still wet, fire still hot ect. ect. So here`s a random pic to enjoy while we all contemplate the obvious:


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    cityncolour Male 30-39
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    April 10, 2012 at 10:56 am
    @CrakrJak

    I believe it is generally accepted that someone who obviously gets their political views/morals handed to them straight from fox news (such as yourself), has no business using the word "rhetoric."

    it`s 2012. some people are gay. get over it. not everyone prescribes to a religion. get over it. the most frustrating part about people like you are that you are the type of person who would have went to the grave demanding everyone believes the world was still flat. evolve or be left behind.
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
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    April 10, 2012 at 11:01 am
    "Our sins hurt Christ on the cross. Since we believe Christ lives in the hearts of Christians, our sins end up hurting a part of ourselves as well. Habitual sin just hurts even more."

    "I BELIEVE our sins hurt Christ on the cross. Since I BELIEVE Christ lives in the hearts of Christians, I BELIEVE our sins end up hurting a part of ourselves as well. I BELIEVE Habitual sin just hurts even more."

    There ya go CracrJak. I went ahead and fixed that for you so you didn`t seem like such narrow minded tool.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 11:05 am
    "No one sin is greater than another"

    Crakr:

    Really? So murder is equal to lying in your god`s eyes (and yours)? Why aren`t christians trying to legislate against lying then? And blasphemy too?

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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 11:12 am
    Crakr:

    You remind me of my brother in law who told my future wife that living with me before marriage is a sin. He is 300 + pounds so my wifes response was "so is glutony". He has never brought up sin again. If christians focused on their own sins and let their god figure out other peoples sins we wouldn`t have religious "hot buttons" in politics.
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    April 10, 2012 at 11:45 am
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 10, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    What bunkum! The myth that "if you hate gays YOU must be gay too" is just too stupid for words. Ugh.
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    KittenCereal Female 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 12:18 pm
    This guy is right on. And this concept applies to *everything*...
  92. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    @Otto67 Because laws aren`t based on religious beliefs, duh. Come on, man.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 10, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    so if someone hates the jews, does that mean they are a closet jew?
    Exactly @Selous!

    I hate green peppers, I really despise them! Unoh...
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    "@Otto67 Because laws aren`t based on religious beliefs, duh. Come on, man."

    Really?

    Blue laws, porn laws, prostitution laws, gay marriage amendments....do I need to go on?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    "What bunkum! The myth that "if you hate gays YOU must be gay too" is just too stupid for words. Ugh."

    It`s not that you MUST be gays. It`s that there is a pretty good chance you are. And when I say you I am not talking about you personally. Why else would someone think about it so often? If I don`t like something to the point of hating it I`m not going to waste my time constantly thinking about it. People like Santorum who spend so much time thinking about gays are really suspect in my book. I mean he thinks about gay people more than I do. That in my book makes him a rump ranger.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    cityncolour: Most people are religious. Get over it. Most people aren`t gay or gay in hiding. Get over it. The most frustrating part about people like you are that you are the type of young person who believes they know everything and demand that the whole world bend to their desires.

    Otto: Since you don`t believe in sin, why would you berate someone else over their sins ? You did exactly what you blame Christians for, you hypocrite.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 4:53 pm
    It`s not that you MUST be gays. It`s that there is a pretty good chance you are. And when I say you I am not talking about you personally. Why else would someone think about it so often?

    Because they hate it, obviously. People with a hatred of something tend to be fixated on it because hate is a strong focal point.

    If, for example, someone is a "white" supremacist who hates "blacks", REALLY hates them, do you think there`s a pretty good chance they are "black"?

    "People who hate gays are probably gay" is a political tool, not a rational argument.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 5:23 pm
    Your argument doesn`t hold weight Angilion when you look at all the politicians that have a strong record for opposing gay rights yet get caught having gay sex. A lot of people attack gays because they are trying to beat the gay out of themselves. The problem is directly related to how bad a family or church treats gay people. It really screws up a gay person in that environment. They are the very thing they have been taught to hate. So they again try to hate the gay away from themselves. This is a lot different than racial hate. You are talking apples and oranges. This is a very real thing.
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    TheJ3553 Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 5:47 pm
    Crakr, maybe I`m missing something but when did Otto ever "berate someone else over their sins"?

    He said that Cristians shouldn`t be focusing on others` sins and rather on their own. Makes sense to me. Unless talking about other peoples` sins is a sin. In which case I missed that one...
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 6:08 pm
    Your argument doesn`t hold weight Angilion when you look at all the politicians that have a strong record for opposing gay rights yet get caught having gay sex.

    You`re pointing to a tiny minority of people, a mere handful, and claiming that`s support for a blatantly irrational political tool masquerading as a rational argument that applies to millions of people worldwide.

    That`s rubbish.

    The idea that people are very likely to be what they hate because otherwise they wouldn`t pay much attention to what they hate just doesn`t make sense. It`s politics, not logic. People who hate anything almost always consider it important *because* they hate it. Whether it`s homosexuality, porn, videogames, communists, religion, republicans, boybands, "reality" TV...it doesn`t matter what it is, hatred is a strong reason for someone to focus on something.
  101. Profile photo of Ozmose
    Ozmose Male 30-39
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    April 10, 2012 at 6:21 pm
    Never mind CrakrJak, he`s just venting his repressed gay rage.
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    eovogt Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 6:38 pm
    I went to school with a dude that was super homophobic and his parent`s were the same. He just came out of the closet. I am so a believer of this.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    @Otto67 Laws against prostitution aren`t there for religious reasons... I`m not sure what porn laws you are talking about because, as far as I know, porn is legal. As for the rest of those laws, if they were put in place for religious reasons alone, then they shouldn`t have been, but I can`t really help that.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    "Otto: Since you don`t believe in sin, why would you berate someone else over their sins ? You did exactly what you blame Christians for, you hypocrite."

    Crakr:

    No I didn`t, first my wife made the comment back and at that time 20 years ago I was still a christian and did believe in sin, and second if I am attacked for a supposed moral failing pointing out the other person is "casting the first stone" is not being a hypocrite, it is in essence saying mind your own business which if people like you would do, people like me would leave you alone, you sanctimonious asshat.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 7:14 pm
    @Ivran, I think laws against prostitution are based on religion, while there may be other reasons people justify those laws with, without religion I don`t think it would be illegal. Selling is legal, sex is legal, selling sex should be legal. Porn is legal but there are people like Santorum who would change that, as well as take away other freedoms because of their religious convictions.

    I am glad you agree laws based on religious ideals are a bad idea.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 7:30 pm
    Angilion as a gay man I know a little more on the subject than you. Trying to derail the point by throwing in other types of hate just shows you have no idea what the gay community goes through when they are raised to hate themselves. I can`t imagine how bad that would screw someone up. I am so glad I was raised in a loving and accepting family. I feel for the gays who are the product of hate.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 8:21 pm
    Otto: As if you minded you`re own business coming after me. You`ve became the sanctimonious asshat when you purposely started distorting the Bible and claiming morally superiority because you`re an atheist now. You were a piss poor Christian then and a hypocritical atheist now.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 10, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    Anecdotal evidence on this guy`s claim, I admit.

    I have two brothers, one is EXTREMELY homophobic. Yes, he`s an evangelical Christian, but that`s just for background. He thinks (literally) that all gays should be rounded up, put on an island somewhere, and re-run something akin to gladiatorial battles. He disowned his own best friend since toddler-hood of 20 years when his best friend came out as gay, and hasn`t spoken to him since.
  109. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    BUT, and here comes the rub. He has more man-bags than my wife has handbags, and more pairs of shoes than her too. He spends an hour every morning shaping his hair to look just right (think Justin Bieber). F*ck, he shaves his forearms before he goes on vacation, to give himself a more even tan. And his online identity (I won`t give the whole thing away) is "LipGloss##" where ## is a number. And yep, he just recently moved out of my parent`s basement at the age of 30. And no, he doesn`t have a girlfriend.

    Now, call me crazy, but I suspect my brother is so far back in the closet that he`s in f*cking Narnia. Though I may have to defer to my good friend Gerry for final judgement on this one...
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    Crakr:

    Well if lying makes you a good christian, you sir are a great one.

    As far as purposely distorting the Bible you and your christian brethren are far better at it. Bible truth is subjective, and anyone who claims to know biblical truth is a liar. When I quote the bible those are the words that are written, my interpretation is pretty straight forward where as you have to mentally contort yourself to get around all the contradictions and immoral teachings. I was a bad christian because I didn`t buy all of the rationalizing that one needs to do to be a "good" one and I consider your assertion that I was a bad christian because of it, a compliment, so thanks.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 10, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    Angilion as a gay man I know a little more on the subject than you. Trying to derail the point by throwing in other types of hate just shows you have no idea what the gay community goes through when they are raised to hate themselves.
    Markust, Angilion can speak for himself of course, but in case he misses this thread, I`m pretty sure he`s bisexual. He`s also from the UK (as am I) where issues such as atheism and homosexuality are much less of a big deal than you have experienced in the US.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 9:10 pm
    "As if you minded you`re own business coming after me."

    Crakr:

    Boo hoo, this is a public forum and if one gives an opinion others can counter said opinion, if I hurt your feelings and put down your "holy book" get over it but that is not what I am referring to when I said mind your own business.

    I am referring to you and those who share your opinion that you should be allowed to use gov`t laws to discriminate against others that you disagree with on moral grounds. If your church does not want to recognize gay marriage that is fine. If you and your church do not want to allow gay membership that is fine as well as that is YOUR business. The gov`t should not be used to support your bigotry and your morals, equal treatment under the law. If you are so certain that your god has a problem with it let him deal with it, not the gov`t.
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 9:44 pm
    It`s funny.
    Because it`s true.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 9:53 pm
    @Otto67 Santorum couldn`t have changed the legality of porn no matter how much he wanted to, so I don`t see the point in that. Also, the ban on prostitution may have originally been influenced by religion, that doesn`t mean that it is still in place because of religion. Prostitution is viewed as a bad thing by most of American society(almost all religions view it this way and many atheists also do, as well), so if that is the case, then I don`t really mind the fact that religion plays a role in the law, as long as an overwhelming(Note: I didn`t say majority) amount of the American public agrees and that said law does not infringe on any individual`s rights.

    However, I don`t believe that is the case with prostitution. There are a myriad of reasons for prostitution to be outlawed that have little to do with common religious beliefs(STDs, potential child abuse, etc.)

  115. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2012 at 9:55 pm
    @Otto67
    So, yea, I generally don`t believe laws should be based on religious beliefs. However, I do occasionally make exceptions to that principle when it is a common belief to all religions, and when there are secular reasons and arguments for that law as well.(Such as murder - Christians, Muslims, etc. believe it is a major sin, and it interferes with others` rights. I know it`s not the best example, but it`ll have to do.)
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2012 at 11:04 pm
    Ivran:

    Making prostitution illegal does nothing to stop the spread of STDs, making it legal could possibly help curtail the child abuse issue. Murder is wrong because as you pointed it infringes on the rights of others and therefore transcends any religious basis. My point with Santorum is there are plenty of people who would love to trample on individual rights in pursuit of imposing their religious morality on the rest of us if allowed to do so and sometimes it happens. There are still states that have laws on the books that do not allow atheists to serve on juries and act as a witness in trials or hold political office. These laws are not followed because of Supreme Court rulings but they are still there.
  117. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 11, 2012 at 2:08 am
    Otto: Bible truth is subjective, and anyone who claims to know biblical truth is a liar. When I quote the bible those are the words that are written, my interpretation is pretty straight forward....

    So you`re calling yourself a liar, I agree wholeheartedly, you are.

    I consider your assertion that I was a bad christian... a compliment, so thanks.

    You`re an ass as an atheist as well, you`re welcome.

    The gov`t should not be used to support... your morals, equal treatment under the law.

    But you believe that government laws should be used to support your morals, by forcing Christians to accept and to normalize perversions into our society. Just because you want to legally hire a hooker, doesn`t mean it should be legalized. Sorry, you can`t always get what you want, Get over it.
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    PopCap Male 30-39
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    April 11, 2012 at 2:50 am
    Interesting theory. So, by that reasoning, a Klansman is actually black and a Black Panther is actually white. We need to get the two groups together, right now, and tell them everything is going to be OK.
  119. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 11, 2012 at 5:09 am
    Angilion as a gay man I know a little more on the subject than you.

    You may well know more than me about irrational politics masquerading as rational argument, but that doesn`t change what it is - irrational politics masquerading at rational argument.

    Also, you appear to be assuming that I`m straight. I`m not. I`m bisexual, so I`ve had direct experience with irrational prejudice, including some that you haven`t had any direct experience with. I`ve been on the sharp end of anti-homosexual prejudice (people who act that way don`t differentiate between bisexual and homosexual) and anti-heterosexual prejudice (likewise) and some quite specific anti-bisexual prejudice. So, according to your own argument, I must know more about the subject than you do. Are you going to stay with that argument now?
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    thosbeama74 Male 30-39
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    April 11, 2012 at 5:38 am
    Whatever makes gay people feel better about themselves. My hypothesis is gay people are narcissistic and want all the attention brought to them that`s why they are all flamboyant, hence becoming gay to bring attention to themselves where they would have it if the heterosexual.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 11, 2012 at 5:44 am
    "So you`re calling yourself a liar, I agree wholeheartedly, you are."

    Crakr:

    I have proof you are a liar, prove that I am one.

    "You`re an ass as an atheist as well, you`re welcome."

    You get what you give and what you give is sh*t, so that`s what you get.

    "But you believe that government laws should be used to support your morals, by forcing Christians to accept and to normalize perversions into our society."

    Here is the crux of your position, if it is immoral for you, it should not be allowed because to do so would somehow infringe on YOUR rights. Freedom means allowing people do do things I don`t necessarily agree with, like hiring a hooker, but since I support the freedom you then turn that into `you want to bang hookers` in a poor attempt to try and gain some moral high ground. This is why people think you are a prick on here, you are dishonest literally and figuratively.
  122. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 11, 2012 at 7:13 am
    @Otto67 While it does nothing to STOP the spread of STDs, it`s quite possible that its legalization would add to the problem. Also, when I mentioned child abuse, I was suggesting that legalized prostitution might cause impoverished households to strongly encourage their teenagers(<18) to sell their bodies, possibly against their will. Now, I know that that would still be illegal, but with prostitution legalized, would a police officer still be able to investigate the situation based on looks or would he need some sort of probable cause that might be damn-near impossible to get? I`m not saying I`m completely opposed to a legal form of prostitution, but there is still a line. There is a difference between the heavily-regulated form of prostitution that is allowed in Nevada and completely allowing every woman who wants a quick buck to sell themselves on the street. Also, referring to Nevada, A LOT of Nevada is not happy with prostitution being legal. I know that in and of itself does n
  123. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 11, 2012 at 7:14 am
    mean it should be banned, but I think it is safe to infer that there are more reasons people are against prostitution that just religious reasons. In Nevada, some believe legal prostitution brings unwanted crime.
  124. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 11, 2012 at 7:15 am
    does not*
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 11, 2012 at 8:34 am
    ivran:

    I am of the opinion that if something is illegal, society has no control over it. Of course it would need to be regulated, that would be the direct benefit. We will always have it, the question is do we want some form of control over it or leave it like it is now, illegal but readily available with no regulation.
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    Grayvyn Male 18-29
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    April 11, 2012 at 10:19 am
    Are you kidding me?

    This is BS... For thousands of years it`s wrong and then some newfag like this guy comes in an makes some claims with NO PROOF on a YOUTUBE video.

    Oh my gawwddd, there`s not any proof and the only proof you can get from brain scans or psychology are easily, and I mean EASILY, leaned towards whatever angle you want.
  127. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 11, 2012 at 2:20 pm
    @Otto67 I thin the best way to determine the answer to that is by investigating different places and cultures where it is legal, what regulations they have in place, and what the general consensus is. Prostitution isn`t a new fad. We have the advantage of being able to look at history, different cultures, and different countries for an appropriate response.
  128. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    April 11, 2012 at 5:17 pm
    Whatever makes gay people feel better about themselves. My hypothesis is gay people are narcissistic and want all the attention brought to them that`s why they are all flamboyant

    Your hypothesis is based on a false predicate and is therefore false.

    Maybe the gay people *who you notice and class as being gay* are all flamboyant, but there are many others who you don`t notice and/or don`t class as being gay. If you have an unremarkable interaction (e.g. walking past in the street, buying something in a shop, stuff like that) an average-looking man who is doing unremarkable things, you won`t assume he`s gay. That doesn`t mean that he isn`t.

    Basically, most people are quite boringly ordinary regardless of their sexual orientation.
  129. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 11, 2012 at 11:04 pm
    "This is BS... For thousands of years it`s wrong"

    So for thousands of years slavery was accepted so therefore it should continue to be accepted? Get a better argument.

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