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253 Responses to The Creationists History Timeline [Pic]

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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:50 am
    Link: The Creationists History Timeline - 6016 years of history here, I-A-B!
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    April 8, 2012 at 2:40 am
    I know the religious have a hobby of ignoring science that disproves their religion, but come on, no one can possibly be this stupid. These people honestly think that dinosaurs lived with humans before the flood? That`s ridiculous. Radiocarbon dating proves that the world is around 1 million times that old. That`s like dropping something and then saying gravity is a myth.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 3:06 am
    I know the religious have a hobby of ignoring science that disproves their religion, but come on, no one can possibly be this stupid.
    _____

    Oh yes they are...
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    Mister_C Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 3:23 am
    Those Victorian dinosaurs were the worst!
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 3:43 am
    It`s quite sad that there is such ignorance in the world.
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    TheShmoo Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 3:50 am
    I was born in the early Miocene.
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    Tekinette Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:05 am
    Napoleon riding a Tyrannosaurus must have been quite amazing.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:13 am
    Wait, so jesus didn`t ride raptors ??
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    skytz1337 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:18 am
    so in the 19th century there wore dinosaurs ..thats just...i`m speechless
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:21 am
    We`re now going to get a religious person saying how this is disrespectful and shouldn`t be discussed. Plan B is to question the overwhelming evidence with no adequate proof to the contrary, or to simply demonstrate how ignorant they are about the world around us. Plan C would be to skip this argument and say it is an approximation and that the rest of the bible its totally literal.
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:27 am
    Draculya - Plan D is to say that God put all these things there as a `test` for us, to see if we are really devoted to him.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:30 am
    Man the cannons, the storm is almost upon us!
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    BenTheBug Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:36 am
    As Jesus was born in the pre-cambrian, it is clearly impossible that he could have been riding a Velociraptor, This image must be fake.

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    LightShaded Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:38 am
    This is really confusing me... Is this a religious timeline or something... Isn`t there thousands upon thousands of years of life on this planet?
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    NightHack Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:48 am
    If I`m getting this correctly, the joke is that there are many thousands of years that occurred before the religious calendar and that there is physical evidence of this fact and this timeline adjusts for the religious idea that there have only been a few thousand.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:55 am
    Man...it`s even crazier when it`s laid out like this.
  17. Profile photo of Crabes
    Crabes Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 5:01 am
    Jesus riding a raptor is the only reason i would worship him for is badassery
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    Zach82 Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 5:06 am
    Aaaaaaa....Meeeeeeeen!
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 5:12 am
    This is the kind of proof that makes religious folks state that God planted the fossils to test their faith.
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    YANKmyDOODLE Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 5:13 am
    @NightHawk not thousands, but millions
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 5:20 am

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    tsiemens Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 5:33 am
    Of course the possibility exists that dinosaurs simply became extinct only a few dozen years after their creation due to any number of circumstances. Furthermore, its very clear in the genesis story that man and animal lived together peacefully until the fall, so it is entirely possible that someone could have been riding a dinosaur. So to make fun of at least get the facts in order.
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    godthaab Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 5:47 am
    This is priceless!
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 5:56 am
    This is just stupid. You can`t overlap the timeline provided by science and the timeline provided by religion. Obviously, no creationist thinks that there were dinosaurs on the Earth less than 100 years ago.

    This is like saying that peanut butter is proof that evolution is a lie, because no one has ever found life spontaneously forming in peanut butter. It`s just stupid, and shows your own ignorance.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 6:06 am

    See! You CAN mix science and faith.
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 6:14 am
    "This is just stupid. You can`t overlap the timeline provided by science and the timeline provided by religion. Obviously, no creationist thinks that there were dinosaurs on the Earth less than 100 years ago.

    This is like saying that peanut butter is proof that evolution is a lie, because no one has ever found life spontaneously forming in peanut butter. It`s just stupid, and shows your own ignorance."

    I don`t think a blatant joke displays ignorance, but the failure to notice that it is a blatant joke may do so.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 6:17 am
    Rick, you may be missing the point. The graphic demonstrates that if you accept that the relative position of fossils in sedimentary layers (top to bottom) combined with the thickness of the layers speaks to the amount of time that`s gone by since the fossils were deposited, -AND-, if you believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, then, this graph is what you *have* to believe is the case, time-wise, based on the relative "thickness" of era of the fossil record.
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    lawndartsftw Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 6:26 am
    Well, how predictable was an anti-christian submission to lead the front page for Easter Sunday ???

    But, hey. Its Easter Sunday !! I aint even mad...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 6:38 am

    Evolutionists are obviouisly wrong because dinosours still walk among us.


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    morimacil123 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 6:48 am
    Happy zombie jesus day everyone!
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    morimacil123 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 6:53 am
    "AND-, if you believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, then, this graph is what you *have* to believe is the case"
    You sir, are the one missing the point. This kind of logic only works if you assume that evidence of something means you have to believe it did happen. That clearly has nothing to do with religion.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 6:53 am
    Creationists are stupid. Parody is funny.

    so in the 19th century there wore dinosaurs
    Start of 20th too. Dinosaurs fought in WWI. What finally killed them off was the great depression.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 7:02 am

    So, according to Creationist Timeline...this is a more accurate picture of history.


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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 7:10 am
    morimacil123:
    "AND-, if you believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, then, this graph is what you *have* to believe is the case"
    You sir, are the one missing the point. This kind of logic only works if you assume that evidence of something means you have to believe it did happen. That clearly has nothing to do with religion."
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    And there it is. The "blind Faith" excuse I knew would be thrown out there. God must have put fossils there to test our faith. LOL!
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 7:10 am
    @lawndarsftw Happy zombie Jesus day!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 7:38 am
    LOL! Look at all the douchebags who can`t let people have their opinions, or leave well enough alone.

    News flash Labiaface. I believe in both creation AND evolution, so where`s my timeline?

    The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. GO!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 7:39 am
    The real problem that religion has is people taking it literally and not seeing the metaphor.
  38. Profile photo of Reignblazer
    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 7:54 am
    There`s opinions. And then there`s facts. Big difference.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:01 am
    "and not seeing the metaphor."

    What metaphor?

    It is making fun of a belief. Yeah, they are wrong. Educate, not deride.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:03 am
    I was born in the plasticine era, 1956
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:03 am
    I don`t get why all this stuff gets attention. As a person who lives in the south, I can say that most religious people believe in the same history timeline as everyone else. Not all religious people deny evolution.
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    r66tramp Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:19 am
    I don`t know alot of Jesus music but this one came to mind http://youtu.be/hPsdjlPVaJU So hit that youtube link and enjoy Corpus Christi.
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    True_PrOxY Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:19 am
    i laugh at people who think that evolution is a religion. All Darwin and evolution states is how a species changes/evolves in its environment to survive. Never once has it been a proof of religion and it was never meant to be looked in that way. people who say either "God or evolution you decide" are intellectually disabled and should go to school before they hurt the rest of the world in some way shape or form. The question still stands who created the universe not just the big bang or anything but before that nobody knows so i don`t understand why such segregation.
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    r66tramp Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:21 am
    If that doesn`t work for ya, just look up:

    The Thermals; Here`s your future.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:23 am
    auburnjunky:
    "I believe in both creation AND evolution, so where`s my timeline?

    The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. GO!"
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    This is an easy one to deal with as well. The Bible states the history of your existence and the age of the planet. To believe otherwise is to suggest part of the Bible is incorrect. Because you claim the Bible is "The Word Of God", to suggest the Bible is incorrect in any fashion, is to blasphemy the religion you claim to follow. If you don`t believe in the religion you follow (and I mean 100%), then what exactly are you basing your beliefs on?

    You can`t pick and choose things from the Bible. If you do, then you are following a religion that you don`t completely believe in.

    Sorry, Junkie. You`ll have to pick another one...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:24 am
    "The question still stands who created the universe not just the big bang or anything but before that nobody knows so i don`t understand why such segregation."

    This wins. All other debate is invalid.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:24 am
    Patch: "The Bible states"

    The bible is written by man, therefore invalid.

    Next argument please.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:25 am
    I don`t believe in religion. I do believe in God.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:29 am
    True_PrOxY:
    ""God or evolution you decide" are intellectually disabled and should go to school before they hurt the rest of the world in some way shape or form."
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    Clearly you are the "intellectually disabled" one here. Your Bible says that it happened one way and science says it happed the other way. You can`t have both, no matter what lies you tell yourself to try and pigeon hole your beliefs into all the facts and truth we have discovered, it`s just not going to happen.
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    True_PrOxY:
    " The question still stands who created the universe not just the big bang or anything but before that nobody knows so i don`t understand why such segregation."
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    Again, a simple one. The Universe wasn`t created. It just always existed. As I`ve mentioned; you Christians seem to have no problem accepting "infinity". Why is it then so hard to believe that the Universe just always existed, in o
  50. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:31 am
    auburnjunky
    "The bible is written by man, therefore invalid.

    Next argument please."
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    No, let`s stay with this one a bit. The Bible, that you follow, is supposed to be the "word of God". If it`s not, then it`s just a book written by some guys. If that`s the case, what kind of nitwit would blindly follow it and let it decide all of their morals and rules?
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:32 am
    auburnjunky:
    "The question still stands who created the universe not just the big bang or anything but before that nobody knows so i don`t understand why such segregation."

    This wins. All other debate is invalid."
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    Wins? Invalid? As I said, the Universe just always existed. It didn`t need to be created. There. End of argument. I win. all other argument are NOW invalid.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:36 am
    tsiemens,

    So.... all the millions of gallons of oil we use made from millions of years of organic material rotting was formed in only 12 years? SWEET! Now we don`t need to have an oil shortage?

    Really? I mean, really, you belive this stuff? How gullable are you people?

    Reason #10,025 why I will never, ever join a religious group. Goofy crap like this.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:37 am
    auburnjunky:
    "I don`t believe in religion. I do believe in God."
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    Which God, exactly? One you made up yourself?

    I was where you are now. I was born Catholic. I grew up and asked questions, even though I was told not to. I became agnostic, because religion was ridiculous and didn`t fit with what we knew. Eventually, I came to realize that believing in a "God" other than the Gods of religion, was just some left over fear that had been instilled in me over the years, through the brainwashing.

    In time, you may be able to let go of the last of the fear and make the leap from Agnostic to full out Atheist. You certainly seem to have the intelligence to do it. You just need to let go of the last bit of brainwashing.
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    CaptainPabst Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:40 am
    The bible is a book about mushrooms written by men on mushrooms. John Allegro has irrefutable proof, seeing as he is one of a few people to actually read the dead sea scrolls.
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    smaus Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:44 am

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    r66tramp Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:47 am
    I have a nice leather bound copy of the King James edition. The intro was written for(he pretty much wrote it himself) the king. I strongly advise you all to borrow a copy and read it. It`s a good laugh.

    Talk about lost in translation? Now go out there and live your lives while conforming to ecclesiology? Fantastic fiction, better than reading Joanne Rowland, I swear it...Here`s your future!
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:48 am
    "The question still stands who created the universe not just the big bang or anything but before that nobody knows so i don`t understand why such segregation."

    "This wins. All other debate is invalid."

    AJ:

    The question itself is invaled. By asking "who createdthe universe" it is inferred that there was a "who" when there is no reason to think that has to be the case.

    Solving the mystery of creation with another bigger, unproven mystery (god) is just claiming an answer to something that has yet to be answered.
  58. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:56 am
    morimacil123, please re-read my comment. I said "if you accept" A and B, then you "have to" believe C. I didn`t speak to the truthfulness of validity of ANY of it. I only pointed out the logical construct behind the posted graphic. That`s *all* did. Any other inference you that you took from my comment was of your own creation and from your own biases.

    Read again what I wrote and I`m sure that you`ll see that I was only explaining, in simple English, the philosophy behind the post.
  59. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:57 am
    Silly anti-religion post is silly.

    @smaus I LOVE the history ereaser button! Push it! Push it now!! lolz!

    @patchouly is trying to "disprove" Deism? Good luck with that pal... Deism is "ironclad" vs your spitballs.
  60. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:03 am
    patchouly, can`t we personally not believe while still holding out that we *might* be wrong (even if we don`t think we are)? I`m not arguing with you, I`m just not certain that there`s anything wrong with being personally atheistic while forwarding an agnostic philosophy, or, more precisely, not actively forwarding an atheistic one (e.g. I don`t believe in god, personally, but, I have no proof that he/she/it doesn`t exist, so, I`m not going to try to try to convince someone else of that nonexistence)?
  61. Profile photo of r66tramp
    r66tramp Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:10 am
    Oh poo, I thought of another Jesus-ish tune:

    http://youtu.be/SEA-WfhQTWg

    Cue that link up at 2:00 and listen to Johnette Napolitano apply serious balls to it. Better still if you apply some volume to it. Perhaps even better eating a chocolate Jesus...poo that`s another. I`m on a roll...
  62. Profile photo of r66tramp
    r66tramp Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:12 am
    Tom says, "this is for the kids at Easter".

    http://youtu.be/1wfamPW3Eaw

    Oh yeah, he has another good one...
  63. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:13 am
    Again, a simple one. The GOD wasn`t created. HE just always existed. As I`ve mentioned; you SCIENTISTS seem to have no problem accepting "infinity". Why is it then so hard to believe that the GOD just always existed...
    Fixed it @patchouly!

    The Bible, that you follow
    Deists don`t "follow" the Bible. It is a spiritual book written by humans. It offers advice on how to live one`s life (amoung other things). In my personal opinion it`s better than others, but not all Deists agree on that.

    Which God, exactly? One you made up yourself?
    The One that created the Universe, eh?

    make the leap from Agnostic to full out Atheist.
    HEY! Where were you when I was saying that Agnosticism and Atheism are different things???
  64. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:17 am
    @r66tramp: There`s a "link" button on the right>>>

    In the first box, type what the link is: "r66tramp`s Music Video"
    In the second box paste your link. You can have long file-names there!

    Links always show up after what you`ve typed:
    r66tramp`s Music Video!
    But you can type more after it.
    We need a "how to" page, lolz!
  65. Profile photo of r66tramp
    r66tramp Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:18 am
    This one is less sarcastic and more pro Jesus for those of you who believe because I love you individually and as a group.

    http://youtu.be/D4k4zJHY3WU
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    Zuriel Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:21 am
    it`s all so clear now


    lol
  67. Profile photo of r66tramp
    r66tramp Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:23 am
    Thanks 5cats! I`m a retard when I`m hung over like this. I`m drinking coffee now and I`m gonna try and sober up. I gotta go down to the bike shop and pick up my new custom ride. I`m feeling bad so I may have to take the subway home. Tomorrow I will feel beter and I will ride to work, promise.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:35 am
    No worries @r66tramp!
    Here`s a little tune for all us hungover types:

    Johnny Cash

    PS: "stoned" used to mean happily drunk, ok?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:00 am
    Good luck with that pal... Deism is "ironclad" vs your spitballs.

    You got it backwards.
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    r66tramp Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:06 am
    More Jesus Sunday music please. That was a good one 5cats! Man, that hit it on the head. Now I really do need to pick myself up and go meet the day. It could be a dangerous Sunday cause when I got the coffee cream out, I noticed there is 10 tall boys of Stella in the ice box.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:06 am
    Why so @Cajun? Deists hardly believe in anything, so it`s easy to defend! We`re likely to say "yeah, ok" to almost every `attack` we hear.
    Simple really.

    God=universe > humans.
    Big Bang=universe > humans.

    See? Same difference to me.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:16 am
    We`re likely to say "yeah, ok" to almost every `attack` we hear. Simple really.

    Then you`re not so much an ironclad as opposed to a grenade-resistant hill.
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    morimacil123 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:28 am
    SmagBoy1:
    You are still missing the point here. If you believe in A, and you believe in B, you have to believe in C, is just pure logic.
    Since religion bases itself on ignoring logic, arguments against religion that are based on logic are inherently worthless.

    Its like the old argument "Everything has to have a start, so the universe cant have existed forever, it had to start at some point. Therefore god created it. God existed forever."
    You can refute such an argument (or any other deist argument for that matter) by using logic, because it inherently ignores logic. It is already using flawed logic.
    If someone was able to understand logic, and apply it to their way of thinking, then they would obviously not use such flawed arguments.

    You cannot use logic to refute religion, because people who think in a logical way about this stuff are already atheists or agnostics, and deists base themselves on faith, not logic.
  74. Profile photo of Crabes
    Crabes Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:28 am
    creationist post always get tons of comments, but nobody really believe in creation on here
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:28 am
    Is this supposed to be some kind of insult? I don`t get it. Happy Easter.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:30 am
    No arguments can be made against your position 5Cats- however- you have made a simple step complicated. I cannot prove you wrong, but I assume you think there was intelligence involved at the creation of the universe? that being so I think it is getting far too complicated.
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    frenchroast Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:31 am
    News to Atheists: Followers of religions are not seeking proof that god does not exist. They have a mechanism which overrides all evidence, which is called, faith. Talking logic to them is a fool`s errand.
  78. Profile photo of morimacil123
    morimacil123 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:31 am
    It goes the other way around too though. In fact, its the base of the problem in itself, and its why these arguments over religion are so pointless.
    If you think logically, and try to convince someone with logic, they will ignore it, because their way of thinking isnt based on logic, its based on faith.

    And the opposite is true too, deists cant manage to convince atheists of the existence of god, because deists base themselves on faith. And arguments based on faith are as worthless to atheists, as arguments based on logic are to deists.
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    gegodfrey Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:32 am
    Mock Jesus on Easter. Thats going to be hard to explain one day, Better work on some real good appologies
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:35 am
    5cats,

    "God=universe > humans.
    Big Bang=universe > humans.

    See? Same difference to me."

    It is not even close to being the same. Inferring a god is behind everything, while possible, adds another mystery (god) to the question of creation (which is also a mystery) and the begs the question of who created the creator.
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    jkfld
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:45 am
    There is zero evidence for the existence of any god. Deism and theism only exist and persist because certain quirks of human cognition make them *feel* true.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:50 am
    gegodfrey,
    Here is my apology.
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:59 am
    @gegodfrey Jesus is my buddy always loving us

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    April 8, 2012 at 11:06 am
    "News to Atheists: Followers of religions are not seeking proof that god does not exist. They have a mechanism which overrides all evidence, which is called, faith. Talking logic to them is a fool`s errand."

    Maybe, but at least we can have a jolly god laugh at their expense.
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:08 am
    "What metaphor?

    It is making fun of a belief. Yeah, they are wrong. Educate, not deride."

    I`m referring to the metaphors that religious scripture teach, not the metaphor in this post.
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    True_PrOxY Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:11 am
    Patchouly:

    what ever you spit out man it makes no difference to me. I am not religious in any way shape or form, i do actually believe in infinity and i do totally give way for new or subjective thoughts. I don`t however believe you have any grounds to stand on and in a first lesson in philosophy... wait for it... here it is.... there is no full true possible answer too the questions that are being told or asked in this blog. If there were a true answer then everyone in the whole damn world would be teaching it and it wouldn`t be such a big controversy to what is the right answer. So my hat is off to you sir all mighty and knowing dude from canada with the name of arm pit and garbage smelling fragrance. since you have the true answer you should have like.... the nobel peace prize, or something higher.. ARE YOU JEBUS???
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    Otto67: <---- Awesome apology!!!!! lol
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:20 am
    Then you`re not so much an ironclad as opposed to a grenade-resistant hill.
    Yeah, Ok, I`ll agree with that. (lolz!)

    while possible, adds another mystery (god) to the question of creation (which is also a mystery)
    @Otto67: I do see what you`re saying, but I don`t think it "adds another mystery" at all.
    I`ll try this:
    infinity + God = creation
    infinity + Big Bang = creation
    Either way, the same question remains: who created the creator? Where did the BB come from? What caused it?

    I assume you think there was intelligence involved at the creation of the universe?
    You are correct @madduck! I do think "intelligence" is behind creation. I find it more difficult to believe it`s all a "happy accident" than it is to believe in an "intelligent creator". Hense: Deism!
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:23 am
    Cute timeline, which serves to point out the complete impracticability of creationism. Believers persist in ignoring the geological sequence of strata that gives us this procession of species, and simply insist that every animal one doesn`t see today was crammed into human prehistory. You`d think creatures as impressive as tyrannosaurs would merit a mention somewhere in Genesis, but the Bronze Age writers who knew how the world came to be apparently chose to ignore them. You would also expect to see modern human fossils somewhere, but, what the heck - one could poke truck-sized wholes in creationism all day.
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:28 am
    There is only one true god.







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    Nine Inch Nails - Heresy
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:30 am
    So.... all the millions of gallons of oil we use made from millions of years of organic material rotting was formed in only 12 years? SWEET! Now we don`t need to have an oil shortage?

    As a response to this: Firstly they can create crude oil from organic material in a lab in 30 minutes. I also think oil creation underground has something to do with the fact that under the earths crust there is still an everburning fire of lava causing the necessary chemical reaction for crude oil creation, mind you I`m not a scientist. So is oil finite? Has gov`t ever lied to you to make a profit? Nope, of course not.
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:36 am
    Yes, morimacil123, I agree. But, I wasn`t using logic to refute religion. I was explaining that that`s what the post was doing. I never said the post was right, clever, or worthwhile. Nor did I say it was not. I was simply explaining its intended effort.
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:38 am
    "Either way, the same question remains: who created the creator?"

    5cats,

    The queustion `who created the creator` infers a `who` when it is more plausible that there is no intelligence behind creation. Your point seems to be that the universe is so complex that it requires an intelligence to create it, but if that is the case the creator would have to be more complex than the creation and that logic implies that the creator would have had to have been created, and so on. While it is possible there exists a deist god that was not itself created, I do not see any reason to believe it except as a convenient answer to the mystery.
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:42 am
    @tsiemens

    Has a religion ever lied to you to make a profit? Nope, of course not.
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:44 am
    Although I`m an atheist I can tolerate pretty much every religious belief system... but YEC I have absolutely zero respect, sympathy, or tolerance for; if you believe it you are an idiot, plain and simple, no exceptions. It is an outright denial of facts, it`s like denying that 2+2=4, there is no argument.
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:51 am
    "The Bible states the history of your existence and the age of the planet."
    You have obviously never read the Bible. It merely states that mankind was created by God, never in what way.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:52 am
    "If you believe in A, and you believe in B, you have to believe in C, is just pure logic. "
    That`s actually not logically sound at all.
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:54 am
    "Hense: Deism!" Deism is one of the most believable and sensical beliefs in my opinion.
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:59 am
    The queustion `who created the creator` infers a `who`
    Semantics @otto, you can do better than that!
    Where did the "Creator" come from? Where did the Big Bang" come from? How`s that?

    but if that is the case the creator would have to be more complex than the creation
    I`m glad you brought that up! I wanted to rant about this, mwaahahaa!
    Big Bang Theory: In the beginning there was only Hydrogen, Helium AND LITHIUM. But now there`s all sorts of more complex materials, eh? Whatever happened to the Second Law Of Thermodynamics?
    First all that H, He and Li formed stars, which burned and blew up, creating more complex elements. This material then re-formed into stars, which again blew up, more complex materials. Wash rinse repeat!
    NOW for some reason the `heavy` elements do NOT get sucked into th Sun but form planets and moons and comets and stuff...
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    leesah Female 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    idk why you people bother arguing this poo, both sides end up butthurt and aggravated and there`s never any conclusive end to the debate beside I HAVE NO PROOF BUT I`M CORRECT AND YOU`RE INSANE.
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    Italian Leather Sofa
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    @ivran: I agree!

    SO: Every speck of matter on Earth, except for H, He and Li comes from previously exploded stars? By accident?
    And Li is essential to all known life! It just "happened to be there" at the beginning of time? (it is not created by stars eh?)

    Oh sure, it`s "possible" that without Li, we`d still exist and be completely different yet still sentient... but until we find other sentient life forms, based on "other models" we only have one fact to go on: the Universe is amazing!
    I don`t think that is "by accident".

    gtg make & eat Easter Dinner! Nom nom!
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    Glad my link has proved so popular!

    Happy Easter kiddo`s.
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    @Kegomatrix. Happy Easter to you, good sir !!
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    5cats,

    I agree that there are many questions about the big bang including whither it is actually the beginning, of if even there really was a big bang, it is at this point the best answer science has based on the evidence science at this point.

    BUT refuting the theory in no way adds support to deism or any other religous view.
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:17 pm
    ivran said: "If you believe in A, and you believe in B, you have to believe in C, is just pure logic. "
    That`s actually not logically sound at all.

    I`m sure you know what you`re talking about, ivran, but perhaps you overlooked the context being discussed? All that was said was that when conditions are set for A and B such that C is the only possible logical conclusion, then, that is, in fact, a logical construct. It`s a simple "if/then" statement. IF this, THEN that. IF this AND this, THEN that, etc. It`s explained under the "necessary conditions" discussion of logical hypotheses. Basic stuff, and not terribly deep. We were just discussing the idea behind the posted graphic is all.
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    ...and I say, which came first the chicken or the egg
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    @patchouly. You do know you (and other atheists) are being just as trolled by the mods here, as the Christians are, right ?? "Hey, lets start a sh*tstorm on Easter Sunday" "Helluva idea"!!
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    why are any of us taking this seriously xD its not accurate evenby creationist standards, most creationists acknowledge christ was born at 1 AD, and that by that time the creatures as we know them already came into existence, so this graph is off like majorly :P
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    "...and I say, which came first the chicken or the egg"

    That is an easy one, the egg....
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    Byfield Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    Bud on the egg:

    The current thinking is (I poo you not) that the chicken came first, due to the definition of chicken and definition of egg. Look it up.
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    smaus Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    both wrong the rooster came first...
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:44 pm

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    April 8, 2012 at 12:49 pm
    I stand corrected... the egg came prematurely
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    Obviously, the egg came first. Dinosaurs and fish laid eggs long before chicken existed.
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    smaus Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    say that to the undiscovered Gallusosaurus
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:54 pm
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    MarkusT123 Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    As much as I dislike organized religion I`m not going to be a dick to people of faith on Easter.
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    April 8, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    @ markust123 - I think continuity is important.
    That`s why I`m a dick every day.
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    April 8, 2012 at 1:20 pm

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    April 8, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    Happy Zombie Jesus day everyone!
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    Why do we still argue this.... neither party will give in. And gerry... you are what you eat :P
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    April 8, 2012 at 1:34 pm
    Quote: "If you believe in A, and you believe in B, you have to believe in C, is just pure logic. "

    ivran`s reply: That`s actually not logically sound at all.

    Lets take a closer look -

    Premise 1 (P1): A person is believer that the bible is the literal word of God, and that 1 day in Genesis = 1 day in the New Testiment, and thus we can extrapolate by the lineage that the world is ~6000 years old.

    Premise 2(P2): This same person accept the science of geology and evolution (which these sciences state is a ~4.5 billion year process, but Premise 1 leads them to refute this time scale).

    Conclusion: The proportionality of the time scale of premise 2 must be maintained within the given age of the earth, thus the provided infographic.

    Flaw: P1 and P2 are mutually exclusive. To accept one means you cannot fully accept the other as true due to the conflicting required time scales (ie, Theories in P2 don`t work on a 6k year time sca
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    5 pages of comments on this? Seriously? Sometimes I wish I wasn`t an atheist so I wouldn`t be associated with some of the intolerant, arrogant pushy mean persons who share my non belief.
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    April 8, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    Hmmm... "God = the universe"... I am part of the Universe.... I am an atheist and do not Accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior... God will punish me by damning me to eternal torment... thus the universe will doom part of itself to eternal torment...

    Got it, God is either a Flagellent (the guys during the plague who went around whipping themselves) or, in the least, a sado-masochist.

    ------

    "Big Bang = Universe" is not quite right. You see, we observe that the universe is expanding then (using the laws of physics) we "rewind" this process to track the universe back to its origin. Unfortunately, we hit a problem - as we go back and approach t=0, the laws of physics no longer apply. We have no way of directly or indirectly observing what happened - at least, now way with our current understanding of physics. Thus we can`t say the big bang is the universe. Now, is there a PhD in theoretical cosmology here to continue this di
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    April 8, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    General comment to those who are offended by the responses on this Christian Holiday:

    There are many religions with many beliefs and many holy days. Odds are many of us have posted something that would be offensive to those faiths on their holy days, but we use ignorance as an excuse.

    I`m sorry if my posts offend you. However, you do things that offend me (like making your holy day into a federal holiday, or constantly bombarding me with your prosthelytizing or anti-gay rhetoric). Do what I do - deal with it. You don`t want me censoring you because I`m "offended", so don`t do it to me. Oh, and if this thread really bothers you, stop reading and go away. Sheesh, self-censoring is far better than having the State come in and do it...
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    April 8, 2012 at 2:15 pm
    Verbosity, your Premise 2 is flawed. No one said anything about evolution. Premise 2 is simply that you believe that the fossil record and strata are arranged by time (elder levels on the bottom, newer on nearer the top), and that the relative "thickness" of the strata represent proportional amount of time each one lasted.
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    April 8, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    Funny, I didn`t see ANY mammoths last year...
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    tvremote Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    IAB, baiting flame wars since 1975. Worst site on the internet award 10 years running, congrats.
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    April 8, 2012 at 3:34 pm
    Verbosity - What solely christian holidays are federal that you are offended by, surely not Easter, as it is not federal. Not to mention, most celebration activities on these Christian holidays such as Easter and Christmas are not even Christian. For example, egg hunting has nothing to do with Christ`s resurrection, nor does gift giving around a tree. These activities are so far removed from anything Christian that they are, in my view, secular. And no, I am not offended by your posts, you have a right to say what you want. And you are right, if I was offended the proper response would be not to read. But if I was, I would also have the right to let you know I was offended. And if popularity demanded it, have you silenced. But I am not, and it does not, so you are not. Happy Easter everyone.
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    April 8, 2012 at 3:40 pm
    I think we should all go back to the pagan rituals of eating boiled eggs and chocolate rabbits, as symbols of fertily, and as a celebration of spring.

    Who cares if the 14th century church decided that this pagan holiday would be a great date for the undeath of their incestuous, zombie, omnipotent god?
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    @SmagBoy1 You`re right, I didn`t really feel like reading all the comments and just read that one sentence, which is why I quoted that one sentence.
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:06 pm
    Wasn`t it Buiadh that posted that terrible hand job explosion? That was out of line for me but here we are on Easter Sunday with a massive comment Jesus chat going on. In my books, not that it matters, Buiadh has reached redemption. Disregard my comment if it was some other that posted that nasty hand job.
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    creation vs evolution debate are boring



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    April 8, 2012 at 4:53 pm

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 8, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    What this argueing has done to me.


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    April 8, 2012 at 4:56 pm
    Prove to me that it was 23 October, 4004BC at the start of the timeline. I think it was really 17 October, 4004BC.
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    username3415 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 5:04 pm
    Did human gullibility and idiocy evolve, or was it intelligently designed?
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    April 8, 2012 at 5:47 pm
    March 16th is my birthday :D Yaaay Holocene!
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    What this argueing has done to me.

    It has also affected your ability to spell arguing.
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    April 8, 2012 at 6:23 pm
    angry preachy athiests again.
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    smaus Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 6:36 pm
    Jesus Spawn
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    April 8, 2012 at 6:38 pm
    @djlazar I`ve never met an "angry preachy atheist" before but I have met these people...







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    April 8, 2012 at 7:14 pm
    Clearly, the Confederates missed a golden opportunity. They could have turned the tide of the Civil War, if only they`d thought to employ a T-Rex Cavalry.

    (If any screenwriters or movie producers are out there, I smell a blockbluster. hint-hint)
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    April 8, 2012 at 7:17 pm
    it is at this point the best answer science has based on the evidence science at this point.
    Yeah, ok @Otto! True.

    And at this point, in my opinion (and many but not all fellow Deists, whomever they may be) it`s every bit as "proven" as God is.
    There`s plenty of "evidence" for both, if you get right down to the "brass tacks": the underpinnings of reality itself, eh?
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    April 8, 2012 at 7:19 pm
    Robert E Lee on a T-Rex?
    @Squirrelz are you... a genius!
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    April 8, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    Is it just me or was this special Sunday Easter thread a total bore? I threw a few tunes in, or tried? Then you folks became a snorefest. SMAUS is the only person that tried to inject life into these comments.
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    April 8, 2012 at 7:41 pm
    If I was God I would shut this human 5hit-show down in an instant! I would hire every Wallmart Greeter and pay them quad pay to handle the overflow at the pearly gates. I’d get every sorry last ass up in the ring and show ‘em a real party good time. It would be French-fries, ice-cream and falafel sandwiches for everybody. Steak & eggs and Guinness kegs. Nina Simone and Pearl Jam concerts non stop. Skinny and fat wouldn’t be a thing. Black and white would be nothing. There’d be no day or night. All the bread would be leavened all the time. Every noise would be a symphonic joy. 5hit grin smiles as wide as faces can hold them. No pain but lots of drugs and alcohol and food and games and music and art and huge piles of cocaine and garbage bags full of west coast weed everywhere. The finest teas to sip and French parfume for the ladies and hags. Lots of kitty cats and doggies running around. High speed interwebs and books to read everywhere.
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    April 8, 2012 at 7:48 pm
    AND no addiction, no aches or pains, no wheel chairs, no poo nor piss. No nothing, just euphoria and morphine dope smile faces of complacency everywhere.

    Then, after a few weeks or months(when ever I got bored of it) I’d phuking kick everyone one out(send them all to Davey Jones locker) and keep the phukin’ joint all to myself…that’s if I was God.
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    April 8, 2012 at 7:49 pm
    (is glad @r66tramp isn`t God)

    Sounds a little like Valhalla... I`m liking the kitties part!

    It`s tough for us humans to imagine what "eternal happiness" is even like! We`re born to suffer and born to die, either way you look at it.
    What`s there to do for fun if you`re immortal? After you party for 10K years, play bridge for 10K years, play with kitties for 100K years, what then?
    Searching the universe(s) for new things to learn? idk...
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    @5Cats
    It`s tough for us humans to imagine anything outside our own personal bubble of experience. Most people here can`t even imagine what another human`s life might be like, much less that of an immortal being.
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:54 pm
    Can`t wait for 20 more years to see what new creature takes over the planet.
    Placing bets!
    Mine is on super-advanced crows!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 8:56 pm
    "born to suffer and born to die"

    I don`t think so. I`ve had a great life and no part of it has involved suffering in any way. I love every minute of it.

    Religion teaches you that this life is pointless and a test and you are here to suffer so you will get down on your knees and accept your lot in life. It is a method of control by those in power to keep the masses in line.
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    r66tramp Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    For crying out loud, it’s a joke...ha ha. Get it?

    God = fiction = entertainment

    The King James book I have is similar to my copy of The Lord of The Rings, in that they are both long descriptive narratives, boring at times but very exciting sometimes too. Both reads are full of acts of kindness, greed, hatred and love. Both are fiction, now that`s a fact. Prove it otherwise and you`ll have a peace prize within 12 months.
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    Paot666 Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    If I were god, I would send everyone to Hell for one week. Make it seem like it will be for an eternity, but not really. Then after one week in the 7th level of Hell, I would release ALL of them back into the world. THEN maybe all the little whinny bitches of the planet will actually realize how decent life really is.

    Now, obviously this does apply to everyone on earth who actually goes through Hell on earth everyday. In that instance they get to go to r66trap`s version of heaven, forever, no questions asked.
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:34 pm
    ...a seven-page flame war about atheism/religion on Easter Sunday. Mods achieve flawless victory....
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    April 8, 2012 at 9:49 pm
    "...what new creature takes over the planet."

    @DShepard: Normally I`d sat cats (lolz!) but actually it`s horses. Not 20 years though, more like 500 years.

    Nice one @Paot666! Welcome to IAB, eh?
    Perhaps a stay in hell inversely proportional to how much we`ve suffered here on Earth? So @HOLYGOD can stay there for Centuries!!! (I joke! A little...)

    For @HolyGod (haha!)
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:10 pm
    Simple minds only require simple answers to difficult questions.

    Questions: Why are we here? How did we get here? What happens after we die?
    Answer: God

    If that is enough of an answer for you, then congratulations.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    35059 posts
    April 8, 2012 at 10:18 pm
    Questions: Why are we here? How did we get here? What happens after we die?
    Answer: No reason, Accident, You rot.

    Works for you @HolyGod? Well that`s nice. Only I don`t go and insult someone just because they disagree with me... (I wish cancer upon them! LOLZ! It`s the video link, eh?)
  161. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:44 pm
    You rot? I don`t believe that. I believe that when I die I go to a castle on venus made of chocolate and whipped cream where supermodels blow me while I get a back massage. Wishing it were different does not make it so.

    I don`t think I was being insulting. if you can look at the vastness of research and data about the universe and find the answer to it all in an ancient text that says an imaginary man pointed and poof there it was, great. But don`t expect me not to think you`re ignorant. Much in the same way you probably think scientologits are ignorant.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:49 pm
    LOL... Creationists are stupid.
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    eovogt Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:50 pm
    Who is rating this down? Did they never accomplish a school? I would like to hear their reasoning.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2012 at 10:51 pm
    "...a seven-page flame war about atheism/religion on Easter Sunday. Mods achieve flawless victory...."

    and Whodat win this entire thread.
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    eovogt Male 18-29
    197 posts
    April 8, 2012 at 11:02 pm
    If you think someone put you here, you are a fail and shouldn`t breathe my air. You`re the problem with this world and i hope we can expedite your death.
  166. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    35059 posts
    April 8, 2012 at 11:09 pm
    But don`t expect me not to think you`re ignorant.

    Think anything you like! Saying it out loud (or typing it) is another thing...

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 8, 2012 at 11:16 pm
    "If you think someone put you here, you are a fail and shouldn`t breathe my air. You`re the problem with this world and i hope we can expedite your death."

    This is the biggest example of douchebaggery I have ever witnessed on this site. Even more so than some of Madest`s crap.

    People, I suppose, are now not allowed to believe what they want, or to have their own opinion.

    The world would be a wonderful place, if we were forced to think alike, right?
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
    542 posts
    April 8, 2012 at 11:28 pm
    @eovogt

    Should I assume all atheists take your stance..? Or am I allowed a shred of hope
  169. Profile photo of PinkRhoid
    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
    1239 posts
    April 8, 2012 at 11:43 pm
    If you think someone put you here, you are a fail and shouldn`t breathe my air. You`re the problem with this world and i hope we can expedite your death.

    1/10 poor effort but you got a response.
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    vodooshaman Male 70 & Over
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:48 pm
    this would explain big foot
  171. Profile photo of magoo22
    magoo22 Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2012 at 11:55 pm
    @ TKD Master: Ain`t THAT the truth!
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
    626 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 12:11 am
    I don`t remember seeing any woolly mammoths in 2008..
  173. Profile photo of Steelgrid
    Steelgrid Male 30-39
    2700 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 12:29 am
    "I don`t remember seeing any woolly mammoths in 2008.."

    WOOSH!!! Right over your head....
  174. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
    14769 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 1:01 am
    "it`s like denying that 2+2=4, there is no argument."

    Creationist: "2+2<>4. God put the 4 on his earth. The twos perished in the flood. You may not ask for evidence of the flood."

    "If you think someone put you here, you are a fail and shouldn`t breathe my air. You`re the problem with this world and i hope we can expedite your death."

    @eovogt Although I am also an atheist, I say there`s plenty of room for compassion in this world. That includes acceptance of the deluded because it`s an easy enough mistake to make. We will not win any converts through extremism. Leave the evil for the faithful to perpetrate.
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    syke22 Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 2:17 am
    That`s my only problem with the site. Fancy must enjoy creating arguments about religion because if something`s posted related to any religion at all, it`s always pro-atheist.
    Religion isn`t a form of entertainment so it shouldn`t be posted on this site at all, it`s totally irrelevant and counterproductive to getting un-bored
  176. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17512 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 3:27 am
    I`m in shock that this stupid chart even got a tenth of the responses it got.

    As for eovogt, You not only fail as an atheist and a human being, but you even give douchebags a bad name.
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    WorldOfJames Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 4:40 am
    NEW CONTENT PLZ.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4793 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 5:20 am
    NEW CONTENT PLZ.
  179. Profile photo of SnoopyBG
    SnoopyBG Male 18-29
    655 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 5:42 am
    Has jesus come down to earth and taken all the IAB staff for posting atheistic stuff?
  180. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17512 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 5:57 am
    SnoopyBG: No, but I`m beginning to wonder if they drank to much unsacramental wine last night.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
    2670 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 6:19 am
    Awww, somebody upset the Thumpers.

    Science, bitches. Deal with it.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 7:01 am
    well it doesnt look like we are going to get new content any time soon so i will chime in, God isnt the problem, religion is the problem. its not inconceivable that God caused the big bang or whatever you want to call it and therefore created all life. but the whole idea that any man knows what Gods thought process is, is ridiculous and anyone believing a man who says he does is a fool.
  183. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    37890 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 7:08 am

    "jesus come down to earth and taken all the IAB staff"
    Jesus came down and only took THEM?
    So it was what - a mini-Rapture or Raptur - Lite or something?
  184. Profile photo of dang007
    dang007 Male 30-39
    630 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 7:11 am
    >>>>I don`t think I was being insulting. if you can look at the vastness of research and data about the universe and find the answer to it all in an ancient text that says an imaginary man pointed and poof there it was, great. But don`t expect me not to think you`re ignorant. Much in the same way you probably think scientologits are ignorant.<<<

    The answer to what question?
  185. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    35059 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 7:27 am
    @dang007: I suggested that @HolyGod didn`t need to be insulting the opinions of others. In his explaination of why he was NOT being insulting, he insulted me. Why the irony was lost on him? idk...

    So it was what - a mini-Rapture or Raptur - Lite or something?

    @Gerry1 I think this guy showed up:


    At IAB HQ...
  186. Profile photo of Kegomatix
    Kegomatix Male 18-29
    1341 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 7:37 am
    You are all wrong and I am right, there is nothing you can say to change my mind. I am all knowing and it is impossible for me to be wrong, because I am so smart. I know for FACT how the universe was created and how man came to be. Case closed.
  187. Profile photo of rncotton
    rncotton Male 30-39
    417 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 7:45 am
    Can`t we all get along?

    God said it .. and *BANG* it happened. See? Problem solved.
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    arsebanditry Male 40-49
    140 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 8:02 am
    oh dear!
  189. Profile photo of madduck
    madduck Female 50-59
    7801 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 8:05 am
    If you are going to believe in God at least 5cats is doing the sensible version. The Abrahamic God is obviously false for a huge number of reasons, but what happened before the universe is not something we can know- could be a bloody great hamster there. as long as he does not assume ( which I don`t think he does) that his God gives a flying drat about us he is not being illogical. As I said- he is, I think getting a bit too complicated- but not unreasonable. As soon as you get arrogant and think any god would give a poo about us you become an official fool.
  190. Profile photo of SnoopyBG
    SnoopyBG Male 18-29
    655 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 8:16 am
    I get it how a person gets deceived into believing in god and religion. You`re a child and you believe any crazy poo people tell you.
    What I don`t understand is how do you keep believing all that when you grow up and realize you`ve been so sure in something someone told you and you read in a book.
    Yes, the lie is administered up by huge organizations working on a global scale-there are buildings, books, people to shove lies down your throat all the time. But I can`t help thinking that you have to be a complete moron to not ask for ANY evidence at one point to back up the facts that have been and will be shaping up your life.
  191. Profile photo of SnoopyBG
    SnoopyBG Male 18-29
    655 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 8:18 am
    Also, why do religious people go to the hospital when the poo hits the fan? I though the almighty was almighty and he decides who gets sick, who cures and who dies. Why do they still need the science, they don`t believe in?
  192. Profile photo of SnoopyBG
    SnoopyBG Male 18-29
    655 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 8:25 am
    Also, why do religious people go to the hospital when the poo hits the fan? I though the almighty was almighty and he decides who gets sick, who cures and who dies. Why do they still need the science, they don`t believe in?
  193. Profile photo of Crabes
    Crabes Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:07 am
    This madness must stop
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    lawndartsftw Male 40-49
    1810 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 9:17 am
    What was it Dawkins said in Washington DC not long ago ?? "Treat religion/the religious with contempt" ?? Yeah..... And internet discourse on this subject is waaaaay better...
  195. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Buiadh should get a prize if his post gets 200+ comments. This is #198
  196. Profile photo of boogarcym
    boogarcym Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:36 am
    one nine nine...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:39 am
    Actually, this is #199....
  198. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 9:39 am
    AND THIS IS #200!
  199. Profile photo of drawman61
    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7775 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 9:49 am
    Ha! Explain this then, all you religious freaks
  200. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:09 am
    What gets me is, what part of `ALMIGHTY GOD` do people not get ?

    God is all powerful he can create the world, and the universe, anyway he wants too and time would NOT be an obstacle to him. Trying to attach scientific limits to God is rather absurd.

    We humans are the one`s that are limited, we can`t possibly fathom what God is like, our bodies and minds do not give us the ability to see what he can see. In fact we have reached our outer limits of what we can perceive scientifically, the rest has been guesswork and philosophy.

    We will continue to achieve and create amazing things, but we still live in a bubble, of both time and space, that we can not see beyond.
  201. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 10:31 am
    "We humans are the one`s that are limited, we can`t possibly fathom what God is like"

    But we do, we fathom he is like Jesus or Allah or Vishnu, ect, ect. when in reality the basis for all belief is based on human inforamation. Religions make claims that they are inspired by god but none have anything to back up their claim, and when asked the response is `just have to have faith`

    Religion is one big game of `my dad can beat up your dad`, and now yours and others are all powerful, can`t beat that!....that is until reason is applied to an all powerful deity and then it falls apart.

  202. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:34 am

    "what part of `ALMIGHTY GOD` do people not get ? " "God is all powerful"
    So were all the other gods... just sayin`
  203. Profile photo of cityncolour
    cityncolour Male 30-39
    379 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 10:44 am
    @CrakrJak

    two words. occam`s razor. i am an atheist and believe in evolution because it is simple and logical. two things religion lacks.
  204. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 10:51 am
    Okay. Occam`s Razor.

    What`s more probable? The universe came from something, or the universe came from nothing?

    Also, nobody is debating evolution. No duh that evolution is true.

    God just set it into motion.
  205. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 10:59 am
    "The universe came from something, or the universe came from nothing?"

    `Coming from something and `coming from something with intelligence` are 2 different things. It is more likely that it is a natural something rather that a supernatural intelligent something that exists outside of time and space and who would have to be more complex than the vast universe itself.....but still cares who we rub uglies with.

  206. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 9, 2012 at 11:04 am

    It`s funny that everyone sees the same thing from oposite sides of the mirror.

    CrakrJak see`s it as obviously clear that this level of complex life could only be done by the hand of God. The more we learn of the complexity, the more obvious the intervention appears.

    I see it is just as obviously crystal clear that it`s just the natural course of events. The ocean evaporates, becomes rain, flows down hill and rejoins the ocean.

    The question is which side of the mirror are we on? Who`s in Wonderland and who`s in Reality. Personally, Wonderland looks more fun `cause reality bites.
  207. Profile photo of SnoopyBG
    SnoopyBG Male 18-29
    655 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 11:14 am
    @religious people
    Yes, given you believe in god you can always say:"god works in mysterious ways" and "justify" the denial of every logical argument.
    The real point is how did people find out about god?
    The way the bible says? If so, then we have to believe all other absurds the bible suggests. You can`t say you believe one part of the bible, and other parts aren`t true.
    Springing back to the actual post we are commenting, is the earth really 6000 years old, because this can easily be proven wrong.
  208. Profile photo of dang007
    dang007 Male 30-39
    630 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 11:14 am
    >>>I get it how a person gets deceived into believing in god and religion. You`re a child and you believe any crazy poo people tell you.
    What I don`t understand is how do you keep believing all that when you grow up and realize you`ve been so sure in something someone told you and you read in a book.
    Yes, the lie is administered up by huge organizations working on a global scale-there are buildings, books, people to shove lies down your throat all the time. But I can`t help thinking that you have to be a complete moron to not ask for ANY evidence at one point to back up the facts that have been and will be shaping up your life.<<<

    Why do I "believe" in material mechanics? Because it answers certain questions, such as "If I apply this load to that beam how will is respond" Why do I "believe" in particle physics? Again, it answers, or at least comes as close as we can to answering, certain questions.

    Why do I
  209. Profile photo of dang007
    dang007 Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 11:15 am
    CUT OFF AGAIN...

    Why do I "believe" in God? For the same reasons I "believe" in material mechanics, or particle physics, or evolution.
  210. Profile photo of dang007
    dang007 Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 11:16 am
    >>>>Yes, given you believe in god you can always say:"god works in mysterious ways" and "justify" the denial of every logical argument.
    The real point is how did people find out about god?
    The way the bible says? If so, then we have to believe all other absurds the bible suggests. You can`t say you believe one part of the bible, and other parts aren`t true.
    Springing back to the actual post we are commenting, is the earth really 6000 years old, because this can easily be proven wrong.<<<

    Sure and just exactly were in the bible does it say the earth is 6000 years old??
  211. Profile photo of dang007
    dang007 Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 11:18 am
    >>>I see it is just as obviously crystal clear that it`s just the natural course of events. The ocean evaporates, becomes rain, flows down hill and rejoins the ocean. <<<

    I agree. So help me understand this. Do we have free will or not. In other words am I really deciding to type this or was it destined to happen as a natural course of events set in motion by the big bang?
  212. Profile photo of Crabes
    Crabes Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 11:18 am
    This question is infinitly more complex then we think, human civilization and earth is only a small grain of sand in the universe and we still do not have the comprehension of life. Either created by a God is ridiculous or be alive without meaning is also ridiculous. God is the projection of ourselves, the bigbang is a theory. I for one think that the meaning of life is only about having sex.
  213. Profile photo of Crabes
    Crabes Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 11:19 am
    and we do not have free will, its a question of survival instinct.
  214. Profile photo of dang007
    dang007 Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 11:25 am
    >>and we do not have free will, its a question of survival instinct.<<<

    So you agree with me that there is not natural moral code just evolved biological responses and evolved social norms?
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    aRTCy Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 11:31 am
    I don`t know who started putting Jesus on a dinosaur in artwork but the fact that people are trying to disprove it now is funny. You don`t need to disprove it, is silly to begin with.
  216. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 11:34 am
    " Again, it answers, or at least comes as close as we can to answering, certain questions."

    Saying `Thor caused the lightning as he is the god of thunder" is an answer to a question. Just having an anwer is not enough.
  217. Profile photo of dang007
    dang007 Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 11:45 am
    >>>.... Just having an anwer is not enough. <<<

    Sure but we have better answers to the question of what is lightning. Try that with some really hard ones? Better yet just start with the social science itself and work backwards. Why do groups behave the way they do, because the individuals behave the way they do and the individual behavior in aggregate is the group behavior. Ok why to individuals behave the way they do? They are responding they way there biology dictates to their environment. Ok. why do individuals bodies respond they way they do? because they are made of cells, which are made of molecules, etc. etc. backwards. You ultimately get to a point that our current best understanding of physics can not explain why x does y? The point is NOT that we can not answer that question for we may someday be able to. The point is that this type of predictive nature, and science is all about predictions, eliminates free will. I personally believe that
  218. Profile photo of dang007
    dang007 Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 11:49 am
    Sorry cut off again...

    I personally believe that I have free will, that I choose to do things. In by opinion science can not explain this so I have faith in something else.

    Sorry I would wait for some responses but I have to go teach a class now.
  219. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    35059 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    @dang007: They get this from the counting backwards of son-father-grandfather all the way back to Adam.
    Of course nowhere in the Bible does it say the Earth was created AFTER Eden. In fact it says in a couple of places that "Adam went out into the kingdoms of Men" which means people were already there when Adam and Eve "got the boot".
    So yeah, it`s silly.

    Do we have free will or not.
    If we do? We do! If we don`t? It doesn`t matter.

    Within science, the individual still has freewill even if the group is highly predictable.

    The "charecter count" is an estimate: after 900 or so you`re in real danger of getting cut off. 850 even...
  220. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm
    It doesn`t matter how old we think the earth or the universe is. God is omnipotent, he said, "Let there be light" and there was. It`s very interesting how some humans already had a clue about the big bang, 6000 years ago, before telescopes. If God didn`t inspire them to write that truth, then what did ?

    It`s even mentioned, in the bible, that the universe was like `water`, which it practically was a dense liquid, expanding at a speed faster than light itself. And it happened in a controlled defined manner, otherwise the universe would be filled with nothing more than super-massive black holes.

    You may debate how long a day or 6 days is to God, perhaps they are just demarcations of long periods of time, but time means nothing to a being that lives outside time`s limitations.

    No dinosaur bone in the world can ever answer the deepest questions of your soul or give you a sense of peace in times of despair.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 9, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    "If God didn`t inspire them to write that truth, then what did "
    Which god? The greeks also have a creation story.

    "In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx, a bird with black wings. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love."
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 1:45 pm
    learning is fun
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    jkfld
    138 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 1:54 pm
    "No dinosaur bone in the world can ever answer the deepest questions of your soul or give you a sense of peace in times of despair."
    You`ve chosen to believe fanciful lies in direct opposition to all evidence because those lies make you feel better.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    37890 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Ya know...we`re all gonna feel pretty stupid if CrakrJak`s right.

    just sayin`
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    SapphireHart Female 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    Lol stupid.
  226. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17512 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 4:02 pm
    jkfld: I choose to live in faith and hope, instead of melancholy and despair. The truth dwells in my heart, guides my life, frees me from the fear of death, gives hope in dire times. No atheist can honestly say that have that kind of peace, otherwise they why would they rant about God?
  227. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    "No atheist can honestly say that have that kind of peace, otherwise they why would they rant about God?"

    I can because now I don`t have the unfounded guilt that religion hamstrings people with. I am far more at peace because I don`t wrestle with questions like which christian faith or teaching is correct since they are equally full of poo. Death does not bother me because I am no longer worried about passing some mystical final test because the christian religion I was indoctinated into is so full of illogical fallacies the chance that its teachings are true are zero. We are not ranting about god, we are ranting about the religions of god and specifically about how their followers affect our lives directly. If Christianity, Judaism and Islam had the same effect on my life as Scientology (none) I would hardly care about it.
  228. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 9, 2012 at 5:38 pm
    Otto: I don`t have the unfounded guilt that religion hamstrings people with.

    In other words, you set your own morals and can change them on a whim to keep from feeling guilty about anything you do wrong.

    I don`t wrestle with questions like which christian faith or teaching is correct..

    Neither do I, You don`t need a church to tell you what to believe.

    I am no longer worried about passing some mystical final test...

    There is no `final test`, either your name is written in the book of life or it isn`t, simple.

    We are not ranting about god, we are ranting about the religions of god and... how their followers affect our lives directly.

    My faith has no direct effect on your life at all. No one forces you to go to church or read the Bible. If you wish to have faith-free society, sorry. Our constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
  229. Profile photo of Canoas
    Canoas Male 18-29
    427 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 5:39 pm
    If you believe in god and you don`t believe in science then you`re going to hell. What kind of god would make such a fascinating and intriguing universe and then be okay with people not exploring it? It would be like the best chef in the world making his signature dish and someone refusing to eat it.

    If god is real and you want to disregard science, you`re going to hell. Why would he make quantum mechanics or galaxies far beyond what our eyes and telescopes can see if he did not not want us to explore them? Why would he make electro-magnetism if he did not want us to learn it?

    If he truly didn`t want science to exist then he wouldn`t have made the universe like it is. The only reason science even exists is to answer the questions about the universe. God could have just made everything simpler, the fact that he didn`t proves that he wants us to understand it.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 5:50 pm
    "In other words, you set your own morals and can change them on a whim to keep from feeling guilty about anything you do wrong."

    No that is Christian teaching, and then they justify it by one of the contradictory Bible passages because you can justify anything with that book. And if you do wrong someone you ask gods forgiveness rather than the person you wronged and everything is Okey Dokey.

    No my moral framework is simple, do the least amount of harm I can, none if possible. Iam not perfect in practice but I try, if i do harm someone I apologize to them rather that some invisible non-existent god.
  231. Profile photo of Canoas
    Canoas Male 18-29
    427 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 5:53 pm
    @CrakrJak
    We don`t set our own morals nor can we change them at will. The morals are set by our society and common sense. If your morals come from the bible then you`re saying it`s okay to kill homosexuals. Bible encourages you to go out with a chainsaw and kill every homo you see. Why don`t you do it?
    I don`t need religion to give me morals, nor does anyone else. Religion is immoral actually. Because according to the bible you can kill, rape and torture a thousand children and you`ll go to heaven as long as you confess at the end. What kind of morality is that? According to the bible I can shoot your whole family and I`ll still go to heaven and live without a burden, because jesus will forgive me.

    Atheists, however, will know that whatever we do will have consequences that we must live with, a burden and guilt that we have carry if we do something wrong. We can actually tell right form wrong, unlike you.
  232. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm
    "Neither do I, You don`t need a church to tell you what to believe."

    That is making up yourself, same as what you are accusingme of.

    "There is no `final test`, either your name is written in the book of life or it isn`t, simple."

    So was it written before I was born, or after? Regardless that god is an immoral prick. I would never punish anyone I loved for eternity, I don`t care what they did. Heck I wouldn`t punish my worst enemy like what your religion teaches.




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    Canoas Male 18-29
    427 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 6:03 pm
    @CrackJar
    However, the most disconcerting thing about religion is what happens after death. Even heaven will be an hellish experience. Live forever in the most boring place anyone can ever think of? No thank you. I`d rather ask god to just destroy my soul right there.
    Gluttony is a sin. You don`t need to eat or drink in heaven, therefore you cannot taste food or drink a cold beer ever again. Lust is a sin, you can`t reproduce in heaven, therefore you can`t do it ever again. Sloth is a sin, so we must have to work in heaven.

    It`s hell really. I am so thankful that God does not exist, that is probably the only thing that truly gives me peace of heart. When my life is over the only thing I ask for is for my body to be buried, so animals and plants can feast on it like I have as well. One day my atoms will belong someone else, and eventually we`ll all return to the stars. That is the most beautiful thing science can give you: peace.
  234. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 6:12 pm
    "My faith has no direct effect on your life at all. No one forces you to go to church or read the Bible. If you wish to have faith-free society, sorry. Our constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion."

    Yes it does, your religion is integrated into the fabric of society, politics, the economy, just about any institution or social interaction has either a direct or indirect connection to Christianity, and your faith legitimizes it. I don`t want a faith free society. I want a faith neutral gov`t. Is this the point where you start changing the First Amendment to fit some point you make and lie by saying it is a direct quote? And then when caught lie again? Is that changing your morals on a whim or is lying acceptable in your faith if it fits your need to promote the christian cause?
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    Gorodetsky Male 18-29
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    April 9, 2012 at 9:56 pm


    This Ams Hilalious!
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    jkfld
    138 posts
    April 9, 2012 at 10:02 pm
    "I choose to live in faith and hope, instead of melancholy and despair. The truth dwells in my heart, guides my life, frees me from the fear of death, gives hope in dire times. No atheist can honestly say that have that kind of peace, otherwise they why would they rant about God?"

    I`m not melancholy or despairing. I have no fear of death and no need for false hope. Just like plenty of other formerly religious people who are now atheists, I have experienced firsthand the "truth" dwelling in my heart. But it was a lie that only felt like the truth. The more I learned about reality, and the more I accepted reality on its terms instead of mine, the faster that so-called truth evaporated, until it was all gone. Atheists only "rant about god" because of the myriad demonstrable ways the delusion does harm in the real world.
  237. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 9, 2012 at 10:10 pm
    I choose to live in faith and hope, instead of melancholy and despair. The truth dwells in my heart, guides my life, frees me from the fear of death, gives hope in dire times.
    Let me boil it down for you. You live in hope that the (specifically Christian) afterlife will be better than what you have now. I find *that* much more depressing than the alternative, which is live your life to the full, today.

    I can lie in bed all day, for heaven awaits me. F*ck that noise.

    This may be the only chance you get. Carpe Diem, and all that.

    I assure you, as an atheist, I don`t live in melancholy and despair, despite what you`re told by your Pastors. I`m extremely happy, my daughter just turned six, I own my own home, and I`m very happily married. Heck, just bought a new car.

    Your assertion that you`re miserbale if you don`t have God is, frankly, a projection of yourself.

    Many of us can do very well without religion.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
    2700 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 12:01 am
    LOL Holy hell, look at them posts, and I wasnt a part of the argument....
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
    2700 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 12:11 am
    "Why do I "believe" in God? For the same reasons I "believe" in material mechanics, or particle physics, or evolution."

    Except your "God" is the only thing that cant be proven.....

    Look, people defending your "God", its incredibly simple. Each thing that used to be "Divine" or a "Miracle" eventually gets explained. When that happens, you are forced to give in to reason. How long did the religious believe Earth was the center of the universe, until we could see further. How long did people believe god was in the sky, till we could fly there. How long was hell believed to be fire and hot things, because it was below us, essentially, lava.

    As each thing gets proven, you chalk the religious explanation as a Metaphor. So you need to step back and just ask yourself, how long before god becomes a metaphor?
  240. Profile photo of Steelgrid
    Steelgrid Male 30-39
    2700 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 12:16 am
    "My faith has no direct effect on your life at all. No one forces you to go to church or read the Bible. If you wish to have faith-free society, sorry. Our constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. "

    Sing it with me now!!!! "Inquisition!!!"

    Or maybe the crusades!!!

    Or how about Waco!!!

    How about the Salem with hunts!!

    The Klan!!

    Marilyn Manson (Brian Warner) said it best: God is Just a statistic....
  241. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17512 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 12:26 am
    Otto: We already have a faith neutral government, you want no faith at all.

    my moral framework is simple, do the least amount of harm...

    My moral framework says treat your neighbor as you would treat yourself. Since I wouldn`t harm myself, I wouldn`t harm my neighbor.

    Choosing the lesser of two evils, is still choosing an evil.

    Canoas: You can`t know what heaven is like, no one can. I can say this though, with confidence, it won`t be boring.

    Bible encourages you to go out with a chainsaw and kill every homo you see.

    Total made-up bullsh|t, refer to `my moral make-up` above. Christ said `Love they neighbor as thyself` it is the greatest commandment. That trumps any made-up crap you think the Bible says.

  242. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17512 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 12:42 am
    Canoas: Atheists, however, will know that whatever we do will have consequences that we must live with, a burden and guilt that we have carry if we do something wrong. We can actually tell right form wrong, unlike you.

    What a piece of unmitigated tripe.

    If you believe there is no God, what consequences do you fear? Legal ones? Well I can assure you everyone, especially Christians, knows about consequences. Living with a feeling of perpetual guilt over your immoralities is putting yourself through torture. Your sense of right and wrong is malleable.

    The reason we feel guilt is to ask God for absolution, otherwise what you are doing is bottling all that guilt up and it will eat away at you. Your only remedy is to loosen your morals so that you won`t feel further guilt. That just leads to further deprivation and more guilt.
  243. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 8:28 am
    "We already have a faith neutral government, you want no faith at all."

    Your version of faith neutral is showing no favoritism to one version of Christianity in gov`t, and we don`t even have that.

    Faith neutral means no religious symbols, no organized prayer, no tax breaks for churches, I could go on but I think you get the point. (than churches could be political machines, just what you want them to be.)
  244. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 8:55 am
    "My moral framework says treat your neighbor as you would treat yourself. Since I wouldn`t harm myself, I wouldn`t harm my neighbor."

    Crakr:

    Choosing the lesser of two evils, is still choosing an evil."

    Everyone at times has to make tough decisions and choosing the lesser of 2 evils is a figure of speech, it does not mean we are actually picking evil, but you know this and you are being intentionally obtuse and in my opinion dishonest.

    Treating you neighbor as your self is not as wonderful an idea as you (and Jesus) claim. Maybe you are a self-loathing asshat, I doubt your neighbor would like to be treated as yourself in that case would he? A better version would be `treat your neighbor as they would like to be treated.

    The golden rule has been around longer than Jesus in various forms but Christianity took it as if they originated it, much like Christmas and Easter.


  245. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    April 10, 2012 at 9:07 am
    "Your only remedy is to loosen your morals so that you won`t feel further guilt. That just leads to further deprivation and more guilt."

    Crakr:

    I explained how I deal with guilt, I actually talk to the person I wronged and apologize, I know, a novel concept.

    Christians talk to an invisible, unproven entity that they claim is the most powerfull being in the universe and apologize to him, then without any proof whatsoever, claim they have been absolved of their sin. This allows them to be as loose with their morals as their conscience can bear. Apply, rinse, repeat!
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    630 posts
    April 11, 2012 at 7:03 am
    >>>If we do? We do! If we don`t? It doesn`t matter.

    Within science, the individual still has freewill even if the group is highly predictable. <<<

    5cats: You may have missed my point, or perhaps not, so I will try and clarify. Science deals with cause and effect and predictive behavior. Ultimately, all science can do is tell us that if conditions A exist B will happen. If the Universe only follows physical laws, it does not really matter what physical laws so whether we have them right or not is immaterial, there is no way to account for free will other than it is a perception and not real. Since I believe in free will I must believe that there are other things going on. My personal belief is in a creator that exists outside of the physical laws that govern the Universe. And yes I realize that this may just be kicking the can down the road.
  247. Profile photo of Canoas
    Canoas Male 18-29
    427 posts
    April 11, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    @Crackjak
    No, if we do something wrong then we have to make it right again. We don`t just ask god for forgiveness, we do something about it or live with it. You, however, can do whatever you want without any repercussions. You`ll rape, murder and steal all you want. The only thing you have to do is ask god for forgiveness before you die.
    Sorry, but I don`t agree with that. If you do something bad then you`ll have to repent and make up for it.
    And the punishment thing just makes you a worse person. Nothing good you do is with the intent of being good, you just do it due to fear. I, on the other hand, do good deeds for the sake of doing good. You have no good in you, all you do is based on a book, like a program which does what is written in it`s code. You`re nothing more than a heartless machine.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    630 posts
    April 11, 2012 at 2:23 pm
    >>>I, on the other hand, do good deeds for the sake of doing good.<<<<

    But you define good. How is "good" determined. WE are all products of evolution so our behaviors are products of natural selection. "Good" and "bad" are just labels we put on some actions. Nothing is inherently good or bad it just is. So how can you claim to be "good" or "bad?"
  249. Profile photo of Canoas
    Canoas Male 18-29
    427 posts
    April 11, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    @dang007
    Good and bad are related to empathy and reciprocity. Would I like being stabbed? No, and that guy wouldn`t like being stabbed either so it`s bad and I won`t stab him.
    Would I like for someone to lend me a hand when I fall? Yes, and that guy would like help as well, so it`s good and I`ll help him.
    Do I need a threat of punishment to force me to do these things? No. If I help someone I know that most of the time he`ll help me back, because that`s what mammals do.
    Yes, what mammals do. Humans are not the only species with morals. Other mammals know what empathy and reciprocity means as well. If a chimpanzee is not hungry but his friend is, he`ll help him get food. If they have a fight they`ll reconcile and hug after. If you give one a tasty treat and give the other a worse one, chances are that the one with the tasty treat will deny it until you treat them both fairly.
  250. Profile photo of Canoas
    Canoas Male 18-29
    427 posts
    April 11, 2012 at 6:49 pm
    So if you need god and religion for morals then you`re stupider than a monkey, because even they can figure it out without anyone telling them.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    630 posts
    April 12, 2012 at 1:36 pm
    @Canoas

    Everything you just described is related to GETTING something or AVOIDING something. You said it yourself, you don`t stab someone because you don`t like being stabbed and you do "nice" things because it is more likely that "nice" things will happen to you. Sounds like situational ethics to me.
  252. Profile photo of dang007
    dang007 Male 30-39
    630 posts
    April 12, 2012 at 1:38 pm
    The point is you can not define good and bad without referencing consequences.
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    Jarhead4life Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    dang007 just found IT. I vote HIM for president.

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