The Continuing Adventures Of Atheism [Pic]

Submitted by: eugenius 5 years ago in Misc

Lesson of the day: Know your beliefs before you try to defend them.
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Male 12,365
I notice that Otto67 has given a succinct explanation, in posts dated and timed at

Friday, April 20, 2012 9:40:47 PM

and

Friday, April 20, 2012 9:41:03 PM

While we carry on insulting each other, would you try getting a grown-up to explain those two very short, very simple posts to you? Or, even more simply, find one to explain to you the difference between faith and knowledge or between faith and objective proof. Don`t bother with a dictionary - you`ve already proved that you can`t understand the definitions by yourself, by posting links that give different definitions to what you think they give.

I`m assuming you`re trolling, so I`m just insulting you for entertainment, trolling the troll. And now I`m bored of that.
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Male 12,365
[quote]AND Agnostic Theists & Agnostic Atheists both believe the same damn thing. We`ve been over this already, you still haven`t proven me wrong, while I`ve backed my statements up! AND links meant to disprove me have ALSO backed me up![/quote]

You are either lying, trolling or deluded and hallucinating.

You have not backed your statements up. How, for example, could you back up your assertion (which I`ve quoted above) that an atheist and a theist believe the same thing? That`s your entire argument and it`s ludicrous.

Your own links have proved you wrong because they`ve been to dictionaries that give the correct definition of `atheist` and not the meaning you claim the word has.

I`ve proved you wrong repeatedly, which isn`t saying much. In order to "support" your position, you`re having to claim that an atheist and a theist believe the same thing. It`s not hard to prove that sort of thing wrong.
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Male 12,365
[quote]LOL, "Agnostic Atheists".. really? One is either atheist or not, there are NO agnostic atheist. Someone can`t NOT believe in a god while at the same time think maybe there might be one. People like you are what`s keeping religion alive... you have no clue.[/quote]

I was going to explain this very simple thing once again. 2 variables, each with two possible values = 4 possible outcomes. It`s not rocket science. Objective proof and faith are not the same thing. It`s not rocket science.

Then I realised something. If you were as dumb as you`re pretending to be, you wouldn`t be able to write. So you must be trolling.
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Male 12,365
[quote]@Angilion you`re just being goofy now. Link to a dictionary, show me a paper dictionary, or grow up. Your choice.[/quote]

You have been providing links to dictionary definitions THAT STATE THE SAME DEFINITION I HAVE BEEN GIVING.

Your own links contradict what you`re saying. You`re demanding that I provide links showing the definition that the links you`ve given state. If you don`t read and understand the links you provide yourself, why would you read and understand any I give that say the same thing?

Also, I have already provided several such links. Of course, you didn`t read and understand them.

I have explained an extremely simple situation in laborious detail. Repeatedly. Two independent variables, each with two possible values - 4 possible outcomes.



If you`re trolling, then well done. You are irritating.

If you`re serious, then oh dear.
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Male 37,779
[quote]One is either atheist or not,[/quote]
@Zuriel: SEE! That`s what I am trying to tell folks, I have to use their silly terminology or they get all upset. lolz, it`s not ME that has no clue, read the rest of the comments.
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Male 2,419
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Male 12,138
[quote]AND Agnostic Theists & Agnostic Atheists both believe the same damn thing. [/quote]
What? They believe diametrically opposite things, you doofus. One believes in God, the other doesn`t.
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Male 438
Oldollie,

Beliefs are extremely important and this idea that all beliefs should be equally respected is rediculous. Beliefs inform our actions and our actions affect everyone. We have politicians who believe god will only destroy the world when `he` his ready and therefore we don`t need to worry about environmental issues, I don`t care which side of the environment debate anyone is on this is a terrible `reason` for inaction. Our former president said the jury was still out when it comes to evolution and cut science funding. Our country is falling behind the rest of the world in science and much of that has to do with religious beliefs.
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Male 675
@OldOllie Well, you should because your leaders use religion to control masses and lure stupid religious people into voting for even more corrupted bastards.
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Male 55
a stupid response from a gnostic-theist makes iab.........haha some people that believe in god are stupid and make terrible argument. seems like that is not a one sided thing yet posts in other directions are few and far between
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Male 15,832
What I can`t seem to figure out is, why the hell do people care so much what other people believe? If they guy doing my taxes, or fixing my car, or flipping my burger believes the world was created 412 years ago and is riding on the back of a giant turtle, I DON`T GIVE A RAT`S @$$!
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Male 438
It has to do with the difference between what you believe and what you think you know. For any particular god that you can imagine, a "theist" is one who has a belief in that god. In contrast, an "atheist" is one who does not have a belief in the god. A "gnostic" is one who knows about the existence of god and an "agnostic" is one who thinks that god is unknowable.

Notice that the terms "atheist" and "agnostic", by these definitions, are not mutually exclusive. You could be an agnostic atheist, meaning you don`t think that the existence of gods is knowable, but you don`t choose to believe in one without further proof. Many people assume that atheists believe that gods can be proved not to exist, but this isn`t strictly true and there is no proper word to describe this. You could call such a person an "untheist", perhaps. Or, you could just call such a person a "gnostic atheist", one who doesn`t be
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Male 438

So there are four possible ways one could be.

1. Agnostic-Theist: believes god exists, but the existence of a god is unknowable
2. Gnostic-Theist: believes in a god for which he claims knowledge
3. Agnostic-Atheist: does not believe god exists, but it can`t be proved
4. Gnostic-Atheist: believes it can be proved that god does not exist

Case 3 is sometimes referred to as "weak atheism" and case 4 is sometimes referred to as "strong atheism". Only strong atheism positively asserts that there are no gods.

Finally, it should be pointed out that when a person is asked about their beliefs and replies that they are agnostic, they are avoiding the question and answering a different one. Someone who can`t positively say he/she believes in a god is an atheist.

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Male 554
@ 5cats

LOL, "Agnostic Atheists".. really? One is either atheist or not, there are NO agnostic atheist. Someone can`t NOT believe in a god while at the same time think maybe there might be one. People like you are what`s keeping religion alive... you have no clue.
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Male 37,779
[quote]Just like you, I can claim any definition I like for any word[/quote]
@Angilion you`re just being goofy now. Link to a dictionary, show me a paper dictionary, or grow up. Your choice.

AND Agnostic Theists & Agnostic Atheists both believe the same damn thing. We`ve been over this already, you still haven`t proven me wrong, while I`ve backed my statements up! AND links meant to disprove me have ALSO backed me up!

Go whistle Dixie why don`t you...
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Male 194
The Continuing Adventures of Religious Intolerance! And by "Religious Intolerance" I mean being intolerant of religion.

Oh the IRONY!
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Male 12,365
[quote]If you don`t believe in god but don`t deny the possibility that`s something else, either agnosticism or something related.[/quote]

If you don`t believe in any gods, that`s atheism regardless of what you do or don`t think is a possibility.

Agnosticism is not a third position on belief in gods. Agnosticism isn`t about belief. It`s about knowledge (from the Greek compound word agnosis, meaning `without knowledge). Specifically, agnosticism is the idea that a person shouldn`t claim something as objective truth unless they can objectively prove it.

(a)theism is about belief.
(a)gnosticism is about knowledge.

They`re not different positions on the same thing. They`re positions on different things. There are gnostic theists, agnostic theists, gnostic atheists and agnostic atheists.
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Female 4,086
oy vey, not again!
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Male 12,365
[quote]No, the definition of athiesm is the belief that god does not exist. It does not allow for even the possibility of a god. That`s the definition.[/quote]

The definition of `elephant` is a small bird. It does not all for even the possiblilty of an elephant being large or a land animal. That`s the definition.

Just like you, I can claim any definition I like for any word.

Just like you, I`d be talking rubbish.

The difference is that I know that my definition of "elephant" is rubbish and I was only pretending in order to make a point.

I`m getting really sick of people who have no idea what they`re talking about trying to tell atheists what atheism is, even though their redefinition of the word completely ignores a viewpoint many people have and leaves it without any word to describe it.
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Male 2,855
his logic is perfect
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Male 37,779
Fair Question @Otto and I`m happy to chat about it!

As a Deist, I believe in God who created the universe. I`m quite certain the universe isn`t "an accident". God made the `big bang` and set the wheels in motion. OR He made the universe 6,000 years ago, but it LOOKS like it`s billions of years old! (note: Not Bloody Likely)

It could be that "God" is more than one Being. That`s what seperates Deists from Theists: we make no claim as to who God is, other than the Creator. We also don`t believe God has orders for us to follow.
All Holy Books are written by Men. Even if God inspired them, Men have re-written and translated them for centuries. Thus Deists view them all as "possibly good guides for people to follow".
Other Deists may disagree, we`re even less organized that Atheists!
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Male 37,779
@Buaidh: idk if he`s really a Bot, but it seems like there`s several Bots that the Mods all use to post stuff.
Or perhaps each has his/her own Bot? That would explain that "johnny" guy`s ghod-awful posts, remeber that short-lived phase?

A particular Mod recently posted that "no one liked my description" for a Bot`s posting... hummmm.

But I don`t blame them! There`s lots of content every day, even if half of it is crappy, the Bots make it LOOK like there`s several people choosing the posts.

@eugenics has like 1300+ threads now, THOUSAND! and 90% of them suck! Either he pays IAB to put them up (it`s an option!) OR he`s a bot.

No proof, just my opinion!
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Male 6,737
@5Cats.

I know there are a few mod bots/alts about, but I thought eugenius was an "actual person"? Someone said he runs the cherryplucker site IAB gets it awkward photos from?

I just want it how it was a while back where 90% of the content was submitted by me, you and whoever else finds something interesting/infortmative/funny/odd etc.
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Female 36
They say ignorance is bliss. I guess willful ignorance must be like a waking wet dream.
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Male 438
5cats,

Let me ask a question in all seriousness and i am not trying to be sarcastic.

You have stated you are a deist. So you believe in a deistic god but do you know there is one or just believe it? or both?
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Male 340
Creationists should just go live in their own secluded society, without all the scientists that they leach off of, so they can actually see natural selection at work.
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Male 2,384
just ...... ignorance
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Male 37,779
Not at all my good fellow! And so kind of you to do so!

LOLZ! Eh? We really are a polite bunch, outside of a hockey rink...
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Male 5,811
@5cats: Is it wrong of me to point out the stereotypical Canadian-esque polite ending of our banter?
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Male 37,779
No worries @patchy!
Looks like @Otto67 has picked up the torch! Carry on @Otto! And @SarahofBorg too!
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Female 4,359
lol
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Male 438
@sarahofborg

`Atheism` from dictionary.com

noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

A belief is not a claim of knowledge, atheism and theism refer to belief... not to knowledge.
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Male 5,811
@5cats: I appreciate your candor, agree to disagree.
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Female 3,562
"
Many atheists are certain Zues, Thor, Odin and all the other gods man has made up including the Abrahamic gods do not exist, but they leave open the small possibility that a deistic god could exist and we do not have knowledge of it, and because it is unknowable there is no reason to act like it does exist."

No, the definition of athiesm is the belief that god does not exist. It does not allow for even the possibility of a god. That`s the definition. If you don`t believe in god but don`t deny the possibility that`s something else, either agnosticism or something related.
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Male 438
"If you doubt? You`re Agnostic."

@5cats, you are correct but not all agnostics are the same. My best friend is an agnostic but he believes, I am agnostic but I don`t believe.
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Male 37,779
@otto67: yes, @patchy was all over that in the other thread.
I say: BY DEFINITION: If you doubt? You`re Agnostic. Doubting `maybe yes` or doubting `maybe no` is the same thing!

@Patchy you made fine arguements, I just think they`re wrong, no offense!
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Male 5,413
.........AMUUUURICA!
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Male 438
Collegebound:

Most christians I talk to believe but if you press them they will admit they don`t KNOW.
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Male 438
5cats maybe this will help,

Many atheists are certain Zues, Thor, Odin and all the other gods man has made up including the Abrahamic gods do not exist, but they leave open the small possibility that a deistic god could exist and we do not have knowledge of it, and because it is unknowable there is no reason to act like it does exist.
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Male 3,745
written*
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Male 3,745
BoredFrank: no no. religious extreemists and backwards extreemists are stupid people. if you actually follow the religion instead of going by a book that was writing LIFETIMES ago in a different COUNTRY with different laws and traditions different from your own (and their OWN current laws and traditions now) then you should be a good person...
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Male 2,670
Religious people are generally stupid people.

There. I hope that clears things up and also sets the stage for continued reasoned debate.
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Male 3,745
cont. but then again that depends on what is in debate at the moment.
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Male 3,745
patchgrabber: either you believe or you don`t. if you KNOW something to be true then there is no possible way for you to believe the opposite...
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Male 5,811
@5cats: Not this again. I agree with your definition of atheist, but I showed you how belief and knowledge were separate, as defined by the dictionary. You can have belief but not be certain.
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Male 3,745
5Cats: `tis a sad day indeed when people who dont even like religion take it way too seriously on the interwebz...
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Male 37,779
vv No kidding @collegebound! I spent PAGES arguing with @Lillian, @Angilion and others, who claim that "atheists don`t know if God exists or not" which is... Agnostic!

They even claim the dictionary, all of them, ever, is wrong! Some sort of vast Christian conspiracy I suppose...
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Male 3,745
5Cats: sorry man XD you would think that with as many "internet atheists" that there are that they would at least understand what their "belief" is...
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Male 1,511
lol, good one troll.
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Male 37,779
[quote]Is Eugenius a bot from Reddit submitting everything he comes across?[/quote]
@Buiadh: We believe that there are several bots used by the mods, I think they all have access to them, except perhaps @Fancy`s_Asst.

[quote]Atheism = no beliefs in any God whatsoever.[/quote]
@collegbound! Where were you while I was argueing this on those other threads! Dang a little help next time eh? (lolz!)

[quote]I dont understand how you cant believe in evolution[/quote]
@mzacur: It is possible, just really, REALLY stupid.
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Male 37,779
Fake.
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Male 3,894
I feel like this was faked.
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Male 438
leesah,

I went to Catholic school in the midwest and did not experience anything like what you did in science class, where is that school located?
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Female 2,602
[quote]Have you ever been in a Catholic school science class? Fascinating, from a complete bs point of view.[/quote]

I was raised a Catholic, went to Catholic school, and practiced that faith for 30 years before finding that there was more evidence for there not being a God than there is for there being one, and abandoning my faith.

That said, I`ve never been taught not to believe in evolution. Of all the things I can think of to validly criticise Catholicism for, teaching that the theory of evolution isn`t real isn`t one of them.
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Female 1,566
"Also, do you people REALLY believe that even 95% of religious people are that stupid?"

Have you ever been in a Catholic school science class? Fascinating, from a complete bs point of view. First day of class, "evolution is Satan worshiping, now let me show you all the catastrophe`s god put on earth to kill us all, like this Super-volcano!" A whole semester of freak natural disasters caused by god to spite humans. But nahhh, these people are the minority! That`s why they`re teaching high school science!
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Male 1,045
"he be dead by then"
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Male 438
"Also, do you people REALLY believe that even 95% of religious people are that stupid?"

In the US over 40% reject evolution. That is still a large number.
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Male 5,811
[quote]Taking one anecdotal example to label millions is what is truly ignorant.[/quote]
No, the ignorance is you, since this anecdote never once mentions that this is how all christians think, so that`s you labelling them all as such. Also, it`s not easy to post all anecdotes on this forum, so snapshots is all we get.
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Male 3,909
Arguing with retards like that can be lots of fun sometimes
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Male 3,285
eugenius is a moderator alt.
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Male 459
fake

Also, do you people REALLY believe that even 95% of religious people are that stupid? Taking one anecdotal example to label millions is what is truly ignorant.
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Male 38,480

@ MacG - nice tie-in with another thread. Well played.
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Male 38,480

I`m glad we don`t have tails anymore.
Guys would all be obsessed if their tail is big enough.
Girls would be all worried "Does my tail look fat in this?"
And bullies would always be pulling our tails and poo like that.
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Female 2,602
[quote]Ain`t no dead dog gonna turn into something else [/quote]

Yes there is, baby - stew! Barack Obama said so, now get in ma belleh!!
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Male 112
I dont understand how you cant believe in evolution. Vestigial structures are the best proof that we evolved from something else. In humans, the tailbone is a vestigial structure, because (and i`m still pissed at this) we dont have tails anymore.
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Male 5,811
[quote]just because you are an atheist doesnt mean you necessarily mean you believe in evolution... [/quote]
But if you don`t you`re an idiot.
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Male 3,745
just because you are an atheist doesnt mean you necessarily mean you believe in evolution...

Atheism = no beliefs in any God whatsoever.

for all Atheists care they could just use the argument "poo happens" and thats good enough for them.
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Male 1,178
haaaaaaa, that is epic...
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Male 6,737
Is Eugenius a bot from Reddit submitting everything he comes across?
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Male 1,620
Link: The Continuing Adventures Of Atheism [Pic] [Rate Link] - Lesson of the day: Know your beliefs before you try to defend them.
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