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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 10:01 am
    Link: Stuff God Hates - He hates....Himself?
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    Zach82 Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:12 am
    Atheists really need to get around to understanding how (credible) theologians understand and interpret the Bible. Even just a little understanding of textual criticism would clear this stuff up.
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    diylobotomy Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:12 am
    What is the point of this post? If you did the slightest bit of reading the bible, you already know this. Stop trying to incite a flame war.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:16 am
    I have already had this argument/debate with my religiously fanatical nutbag of a family....

    They don`t want to hear it and there`s always some excuse!

    Damn sheeple!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:20 am
    Puts dinosaur bones in the ground to test your faith in him.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:20 am
    anyone bring the popcorn?!

    time for the Atheist to say, "See what type of God would do those things"

    to which the Believers will shout,

    "that`s taking it out of context!!!"

    but they do it so many different and fun ways it is always a good show!

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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:24 am
    Zach82

    Atheists really need to get around to understanding how (credible) theologians understand and interpret the Bible. Even just a little understanding of textual criticism would clear this stuff up.

    ok so that`s one beliver alreayd going for the "out of context argument"

    ohhhh and the athiest have already wieghed in with their version of "how could your God do these things" argument


    lostinkorea
    "I have already had this argument/debate with my religiously fanatical nutbag of a family....

    They don`t want to hear it and there`s always some excuse!

    Damn sheeple!"

    if you do not know what i am referring to read my first post on this thread...and then you will realize hiow wuick these two groups jump right into the same damn argument each time!
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    Zach82 Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:29 am
    Do you think the "out of context argument" is faulty, Jamie, or is it just your business to narrate what is going on?
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    BenTheBug Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:35 am
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:45 am
    Let`s not fight, let`s just eat cupcakes!


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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:49 am
    Atheists are such pricks.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:53 am
    Silly Christians.
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:55 am
    I fail to understand why so many people are so adamant in the acceptance of science equating to directly falsifying things that may or may have been interpreted incorrectly. Admittedly yes, the bible was probably the `star wars` of the last stretch of human modernization but that doesnt mean that every word of every passage in that book is falsified. If im not mistaken it is one of the oldest if not the most well known text book to shape society as we know it. Would our morals as a whole be the same without it? the last point I want to make is that religion is not all bad, I see FAR more church groups sheltering the needy, organizing relief funds, and organizing food/charity drives than athiest groups, I seriously doubt if theres an athiest group every 10 blocks that band together once a week to do some good for the community.
    I also realize this isnt an athiest argument but a direct "gods an ass" statement, was this written by a goth satanist or something? (believ
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:56 am
    Ftr I am agnostic..just stirring the pot for personal amusement lol
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    And so are you MCBOOZERILLA! BTW, nice name.

    Fairytales, they come true, it can happen to you....
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    Mahaloth Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 12:13 pm
    Uh, nothing in those above examples contradicts what God hates. ???
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 12:31 pm
    This whole "sending his own son to die" never made much sense to me since as I understood it Jesus IS supposed to be God himself in human form, right? You Christians make no damn sense to me.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    And to touch on the statement that religion formed our morals -- that`s wrong. Humans can think for themselves. Well, most of us anyway. I don`t need a book full of tall tales to tell me what`s right or wrong. I can do that all by myself. Shocking!
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    @Mahaloth, no there`s no contradiction, the examples are about god doing exactly everything he claimed to hate
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    username3415 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    Yeah it contradicts itself. BECAUSE IT IS ALL BULLpoo.
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    Painter13 Male 40-49
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    April 14, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    God is self loathing because man created him in his own image.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 14, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    "Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child." -- From the Notebooks Lazarus Long
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    So Zach82, care to explain in which context it`s ok to tell someone who fervently adores you (Abraham) to go kill his son?

    Or you know, destroying two whole cities and their inhabitants, or killing the first sons of all egyptians, or commending someone for rounding up priests from another religion and murdering them, or gladly accepting the offering of human sacrifice, etc etc etc.

    If it`s all a parable, if the whole is supposed to be a huge metaphor, wouldn`t the whole idea of god be a metaphor too?

    Of all the stories with a magical saviour, I much prefer Harry Potter. Too bad it wasn`t written far ago enough for people to believe in it.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    Jendrian, I would go gay for you and risk being sent to imaginary hell. Tell your gf it`s only a phase. And yes, she can watch.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 1:00 pm
    It doesn`t take a genius to figure out that god is a dick.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    Right o....
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 1:21 pm
    lol @swoop408, sorry, my wife there in the picture won several judo tournaments and is very jealous, also, I like round jiggly boobies way too much.

    also @Dead-Kittens, I made this pic, I was reading a comic on the 7 deadly sins, which don`t even appear in the bible, did some more research into the origin of them and found that was the passage where the western pieties based the deadly sins from. While reading them I was so amused I decided to put it in picture form.

    Context of me: I was born to a very religious family and went to catholic school in Mexico for 6-7 years, and forced to go to church, spiritual retreats, scriptural readings and several other kinds of indoctrination for much longer than that.

    Funny enough, we were never told to read the bible, so one day I did, and in the following 3-4 years came to the conclusion that any creed based on that book is nonsense.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 1:24 pm
    *correction: bookS, because I want to include judaism and islam.
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    ShudBWorking Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 1:29 pm
    Atheists confuse me. They say that they don`t believe in anything, and that being an atheist is a lack of belief. Yet they seem to fervently believe in removing Christianity from society in every shape and form. They believe that religion, or in most cases specifically Christianity, hurts society and keeps them from being as free as they would like to be. The actions and posts of atheists sound more Anti-Christ, which would be a belief, than atheist, which is a lack thereof. Just saying, and I believe this post is just a small example to prove my point. Keep on hating Christians and yelling at them for hating. Sounds hypocritical. You want everyone to be tolerant of everything, no hard line rules, yet you are not tolerant of those who are not as tolerant as you would like. A world without hard line rules will be much more chaotic than a world with.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    April 14, 2012 at 1:43 pm
    I believe that.. you *are* confused.

    Must be the devils work eh?

    Question, is Satan under Gods control, or is your God not all powerful after all?
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    April 14, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    and @ Jamie76. Ha, missed that one eh!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 1:52 pm
    ShudBWorking

    Atheists don`t say they don`t believe in anything. We believe in lots of stuff like the moon, and gravity, and cheesecake. We just don`t believe in a GOD. We believe he doesn`t exist the same way we believe gremlins don`t live under our bed. And if people who believed in gremlins under the bed were making public policy related to under bed gremlins we would fight against it as well. Because that would be stupid.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 14, 2012 at 2:11 pm
    *HUGE YAWN*

    @Kitteh9! Did you put this up? At least it`s content origional to IAB (If I`m reading @jendrain`s post correctly, he made it himself?)
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    Webz Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 2:21 pm
    When a post equates the crucifixion of Jesus to God MURDERING his own son....I mean...wow....did you even attempt to understand ANYTHING about Christianity before you made/posted this?? I mean, I know we end up using the "out of context" argument a lot (as jamie76 says, and that`s generally because atheists DO like to take things out of their widely accepted contexts), but this is something completely different....just wow. You have failed to understand the one, single, most important, central part of Christianity.

    When someone is just that obliviously ignorant it`s not even worth wasting time trying to counter-argue any of this.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    Webz

    God has a plan. God knows what will happen. God chooses to allow it to happen. If I let my 6 yr old play with a hand gun, knowing what will happen and he dies, I murdered him.

    Jesus died to save us from our sin. Save us from who? Satan? No. God. So God sent his son to die to save us from God.

    Brilliant.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    @Webz, your statement is a perfect example of typing a lot and saying absolutely nothing. If you had a counterpoint I`m sure you`d type that up instead, but you don`t so you just say, "That`s ignorant" and give no further explanation. Thanks, come again!
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    FAKEBACON Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 2:35 pm
    Atheist are SO accepting of people who want to think differently than them.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    We actually are. We also have a better sense of humor.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    April 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    Aethiests are pretty accepting of people who think.

    Institutionalised make believe doesn`t count.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    Zach82

    I am calling that form of argument bullcrap. Plain and simple. you cannot have a text that does not actually directly say something and is clearly meant to be interpreted and then interpt it youself and say your version is te only context in which what is written is correct.

    in othe rwords, you argument in invalid.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    @ShudBWorking: Missed the point. My image says nothing about how christianity shouldn`t exist, it just makes fun of one part of it that to be quite frank, is funny to people who come across it. If you want to still believe that black is black and black is blue and red at the same time, atheists won`t care; but beware it`s funny that you think so.

    5Cats, I love how you`re so cautious about what you read and how you read it now that the statement: "I made it" is not immediately obvious to you.

    @Webz, I know the story, like I said I was indoctrinated for about 15 years. There`s no misunderstanding from my part, god created a situation where he sent his own son (himself?) to live a tortured life and be killed. He created the whole thing himself. Unless we understand "good" and "evil" poorly, orchestrating the murder of your so-called son is evil.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 14, 2012 at 4:28 pm
    Repecting a person and respecting a belief are 2 completely different things. I can respect a child and not respect the child`s belief in a monster in the closet. To the child the monster is real but the child is being irrational in his belief, it has no basis in fact.
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    WorldOfJames Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 4:41 pm
    SICK OF ALL THIS RELIGIOUS STUFF ON THIS WEBSITE. religious or not just shut the drat up about it and lets watch some cat videos
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 14, 2012 at 4:45 pm
    Atheists again with the hubris that they are superior to God, that God should live by our rules.

    You know what atheists, why don`t you go live by the ants rules. You would no more follow the rules an ant colony lives by then God will follow human rules.

    You atheists seem like spoiled children expecting their parents to live by the rules their parents set for them.

    In the end it`s about immature people wanting to get out of responsibility and not wanting to live by the rules of decent society.

    To atheists no God = creating your own malleable morality, guilt is outmoded, do what you want so long as you can get away with it. You may say you`re a moral atheist, but when the chips are down you`ll justify anything to survive.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    To atheists no God = creating your own malleable morality, guilt is outmoded, do what you want so long as you can get away with it. You may say you`re a moral atheist, but when the chips are down you`ll justify anything to survive.
    ____

    Absolutely not! You`re not an atheist, so you wouldn`t know. I am very tolerant of all cultures, creeds, races and MOST religions. My stance, if religion makes you happy and fills a void in your life, then so be it. The crap I say on here is just to rile people up. But in my experience and my experience only, some Christians that I have been around are very judgmental and hate filled people. Then they twist the bible to suit their own agenda. I don`t talk about my atheism to most people but you can bet Christians jam their dogma down my throat.

    Also, my morals are based on common sense and basic decency. I don`t need a rule book and the threat of hell to make me be a better person.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    @CrakrJak: WTF are you talking about. Atheists simply don`t accept the idea of god, there`s no superior being that creates rules to live by. That`s what atheists believe.

    So in your view, immaturity is people expecting some kind of father figure to make the rules to live in a civilized society? Funny, that sounds nothing like religion, and all like church. In fact, church leaders are called "fathers", "shepherds" and alike are they not?

    So in your twisted view of morality it`s ok to stone, rape, pillage and kill as long as it`s god mandate. If it`s not, you`re not really living by god`s decrees, as that`s what`s in the so-called "holy book" where all the moral answers of christianity lie, if you`re not ok with that you`re living by the precepts of responsible men who decided stoning was not a good way of dealing with adultery.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 5:14 pm
    In the end it`s about immature people wanting to get out of responsibility and not wanting to live by the RULES OF DECENT SOCIETY.
    ____

    Like marrying someone for a few days and then divorcing? Is that decent? "Christians" do it all the time.

    Like protesting a soldier`s funeral with God Hate Fags signs and such....that`s decent?

    Accusing a child`s T.V. show character of being gay? That`s decent....?

    Hanging black people from trees? That`s decent??

    And let`s not forget all the wars and bloodshed that have been started in the name of god...
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    WE LOVE STATS
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    Spear Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 5:37 pm
    @CrakrJak
    Maturity has nothing to do with it. Morality has nothing to do with it. It`s about not being a fully grown adult with imaginary friends.

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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 5:38 pm
    I made a mistake... it`s supposed to say:

    Funny, that sounds nothing like atheists

    instead of

    Funny, that sounds nothing like religion
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    Spear Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 5:40 pm
    Let`s take a look at the story of Noah`s Ark. God was disappointed with man so he decided to DROWN EVERY LIVING THING ON EARTH. Except a 600 year old drunk, his wife, and a pair of each the MILLIONS OF SPECIES that inhabit the earth on an boat. Morality? No.
    Pure f*cking stupidity.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 6:14 pm
    You atheists seem like spoiled children expecting their parents to live by the rules their parents set for them.

    I wouldn`t call the child of an abusive bi-polar assh­ole "spoiled."

    And I probably wouldn`t follow the rules set for me by a parent who varies wildly between giving his children everything they want one moment, then MASSACRING THEM AND CONDEMNING THEM TO ETERNAL SUFFERING the next.

    I`d call CPS and find a foster parent. At the very least, other religions involve gods that just leave us to our own devices rather than deliberately beat the hell out of us "because he loves us."
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 14, 2012 at 7:04 pm
    "In the end it`s about immature people wanting to get out of responsibility and not wanting to live by the rules of decent society."

    Crakr:

    If the only thing keeping you responsible and living by the rules of society is the belief in an invisible parent that will punish you forever....by all means keep believing.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 14, 2012 at 7:44 pm
    jendrian: So in your twisted view of morality it`s ok to stone, rape, pillage and kill

    No, but I`m betting you think that`s what Christians believe and you`re wrong.

    The greatest commandment is to treat your neighbor like yourself. But this picture shows you are the `cast the first stone` type.

    lostinkorea: The crap I say on here is just to rile people up.

    Perhaps if you don`t want to get riled up, maybe you shouldn`t rile up others.

    Spear: Maturity has everything to do with it. Morality has everything to do with it. It`s about acting like a fully grown adult and not shirking responsibilities and making up your own set of rules.

    Altaru: It`s simple, follow the rules and you don`t get punished. You seem to think you can follow whatever rules you want and ignore others you don`t like and not face punishment for breaking them. God is not bi-polar, you`re just immature.
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    lawndartsftw Male 40-49
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    April 14, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    Oh hey guise !! What did I miss ?? Oops, sorry. Wrong thread. Nothing new to see here....
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    @CrakrJak: Like I said, your moral code is picking and choosing parts of the bible, namely, the ones that make sense to you as a human being.

    If that is the case, you`re not actually following christianity, as the moral code is embedded in the word of god (the bible), and in it you find every indication of war, raping, and wrath.

    What you`re doing is following the code of responsible men, which happens to appear in the bible as you would expect of any book written by men.

    I know for a fact the vast majority of religious people do not follow the creed in its entirety, having lived in a country that`s over 80% catholic I know they`re just regular people with same morals as any rational person.

    My point is that being like that, is not being catholic/ christian/ muslim/ jew/ buddhist/ mormon, as they all have lots and lots of quirks that you don`t personally agree with, and dispose of, in lieu of being civilized
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    April 14, 2012 at 9:14 pm
    Thank goodness God is omnipotent or that would be REALLY hypocritical of him. Magic powers of logic evasion, GO!

    (Now I really want to see a video where God is killed somehow, judged for his sins like a human, and sent to hell for them. None of this "only for three days" crap either. Eternity, just like everyone else supposedly is in Christian mythology.)
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 9:26 pm
    @CrakrJak
    Altaru: It`s simple, follow the rules and you don`t get punished. You seem to think you can follow whatever rules you want and ignore others you don`t like and not face punishment for breaking them. God is not bi-polar, you`re just immature.

    I love the irony of that statement:

    Deuteronomy 5:12-14

    “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do.

    My guess is you will be punished then
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 10:14 pm
    Altaru: It`s simple, follow the rules and you don`t get punished. You seem to think you can follow whatever rules you want and ignore others you don`t like and not face punishment for breaking them. God is not bi-polar, you`re just immature.

    I eagerly await the day Christians follow the rule Jesus stated in Matthew 19:21.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 10:17 pm
    I do believe Crakrjak just got spanked, by jendrian.

    But feel free to move the goalposts.

    Again.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 10:18 pm
    You atheists seem like spoiled children expecting their parents to live by the rules their parents set for them.
    If my parents told me something was immoral (say, killing) and then did it themselves (say, by sending bears to maul children for the mighty crime of teasing someone) then I would quite rightly call my parents hypocrites.

    Why would I take moral instruction from someone who displays no sign of morality themselves?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 14, 2012 at 10:19 pm
    Bob, we must be psychic. Rally the cry!
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    It`s simple, follow the rules and you don`t get punished.
    That`s one of them big problems though, ain`t it?

    WHICH set of rules?

    I mean, there`s the simple stuff: Don`t kill, don`t steal, etc. (which, BTW, humanity could figure out on their own, regardless of what BS you want to spew) I follow those anyway, as do pretty much every other religion, honestly. It`s not like they`re exclusive to your Bible.

    But then comes the inane sh*t, like the Sabbath. People can`t even agree which day it`s on, yet it`s one of the damn Commandments. If your "rules" are that vague, but choosing to follow them the wrong way can get you condemned to hell for eternity, you got problems.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 10:46 pm
    Oh, and what about the absolute GAME CHANGERS that are Jesus and Muhammad?

    What makes you think your chosen prophet is any less of a schizophrenic megalomaniac than the others?

    What makes you think EITHER of them were actually sent by God, especially considering the complete about-face that Jesus represented in God`s handling of the various issues?

    And your Holy Book, supposedly the word of God, isn`t even perfect, because after all it`s the "Word of God (as written by imperfect humans) with added HUMAN stories," so how can you even know for sure that ANY of the stuff in it is actually what God "said?"

    So tell me: Which rules are the right ones, and why should I believe that yours are any more right than the others?
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:03 pm
    Oh, and hypothetical for you:

    Say you`re walking along, minding your own business one day. Suddenly, a wild voice in your head appears!

    Loud, commanding, and only you can hear it. It proclaims itself God, and tells you that it has a command you must follow:

    Sacrifice your son, to prove you truly fear him.

    When you ask for proof that he is God, he tells you that this is a test of your faith, so proving himself would make the whole test pointless.

    Would you?

    Would you risk being completely and absolutely in the wrong one way or another, based purely on what a voice in your head tells you vs. your previous convictions?

    And would you consider it fair, just, or "loving" of God if you made the wrong choice and were condemned to eternal suffering for it?

    (For clarity`s sake, I wouldn`t obey the voice. But then again, I don`t follow the word of a poorly translated book written millennia ago either.)
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:29 pm
    I eagerly await the day Christians follow the rule Jesus stated in Matthew 19:21.
    Bob, they have an excuse for that one already...

    "That`s the process for becoming PERFECT. We don`t WANT to be perfect, we just want to get away with anything by begging forgiveness for it after the fact."

    Of course, that sounds like the difference between being a truly responsible adult and a childish prat to me, which kinda makes Crakr sound like a hypocrite in calling others immature, but hey, hypocrisy is nothing new in organized religion, now is it?
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:29 pm
    One final thing I feel like mentioning before I log off for the night:

    Jesus was kind of a dick.

    Matthew 21:18-19; 20-22

    and

    Mark 11:12-14; 19-25

    both tell of him cursing a fig tree to never bear fruit again because he was hungry and it wasn`t bearing fruit.

    What. The actual. Fu­ck Jesus? Seriously?

    You`re willing to forgive a group of degenerates for condemning you to death in a horrible and painful way (and let`s not forget "not believing in you"), but you`ll eternally curse a fig tree for not bearing fruit when it`s not in season?

    Especially considering that, if Jesus was God incarnate, one would expect him to know that if a tree isn`t properly pollinated it won`t bear fruit some years (at least, one would expect God to know the scientific workings of the world he created...). Doesn`t mean it`s a bad tree.

    What a dick... Then he tries to turn it into a moral lesson about "th
  68. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:29 pm
    *AHEM* before I was so RUDELY cut off by the finicky character limit...

    Then he tries to turn it into a moral lesson about "the power of faith" when asked about it, including some crap about telling mountains to jump into the sea, and that they`d do it if you believed absolutely!

    So, Crakr... How many mountains have jumped into the oceans for you lately?
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2012 at 11:33 pm
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 12:30 am
    Altaru: Go ahead mock God, distort the Bible, say whatever it takes to attempt to assuage your guilt.
    None of your hatred will ever help.
    You`ve hardened your heart, let rancor consume you.
    Wallow in your anti-Christian obsession.

    I will not cast pearls before swine further.
    You`ve made it clear that no argument will persuade you.
    Even pity and prayer for you would be a waste.

    The above goes for Davy, Bob, Jendrian and Korea as well.
  71. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 15, 2012 at 1:01 am
    I don`t feel any guilt, at least not regarding some imaginary man in the sky. I do feel guilty about not tipping the other night, but I had no cash on me... I`ll just make up for it next time.

    And, of course, you`re going to completely ignore any questioning of your beliefs in favor of the old "I know I`m right, so instead of proving myself I`m just going to proclaim myself better than you and walk off" method. A.K.A. the "plug my ears and run away" method.

    I`m just asking you what makes you so absolutely certain YOU are right, compared to the million man line waiting behind you to spew the same religion from their perspective. If you`re so absolutely confident in yourself, why would that be difficult?

    Oh well, you`re probably not even going to bother coming back and reading this. But, just in case you DO...

    Enjoy your sense of superiority, you arrogant son of a bitch. It`s all you`ve got over me.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 1:13 am
    Oh, and i think it`s fair game to hate the assh*le that plays Elder Scrolls style games with my life, then condemns me to suffer for all eternity for doing exactly what he put me on this earth to do (he`s omnipotent, which means he knows what I`m going to do, hell he probably gave me INSTRUCTIONS on what to do considering he, you know, made me and all, and knowing every word I would say and every choice I would make... He STILL set me loose on this planet, and will proceed to condemn me for doing what I`m supposed to according to his big knowledge book of everything).

    I think a trained circus animal has every right to hate it`s abusive master.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 1:18 am
    Altaru: Superiority ? you`re going to lecture me on superiority after the 7 post lambasting you directed at me ?

    Arrogance is your realm, Arrogance in believing you`re better than God, Arrogance to believe you`re better than Jesus that died for your sins, Arrogance to distort the word of God.

    I`m not superior to you or anyone else, we are all sinners and come short of the glory of God. The difference between me and you is that I recognize that fact, You`d rather run from it.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 1:27 am

    CrakrJak^
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    TrustusJones Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2012 at 1:51 am
    Why can`t everyone just admit they are somewhat Gnostic and have found God in there own way? There is no right or wrong religion. The point is to do no harm to others or face the consequences, however it may present itself. In the end, everything will be just fine. You choose the path.
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 2:09 am
    CrakrJak isn`t actually religious, he`s just the best troll on this entire website, and I love him for it.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2012 at 2:52 am
    TrustusJones: I have not in any way found any god or ever felt any need for one (or several for that matter), and I feel slightly offended by your presumptiveness.

    The only time I think about god or gods is when a posts like this one crops up, or when I read about them in mythological stories.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    April 15, 2012 at 3:19 am
    Anyone making a claim which they consider rational and which they expect others to accept must provide some support. So, CRACKER, prove that god exist? Where`s your hard, concrete proof?
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    TrustusJones Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2012 at 3:29 am
    @Tiredofnicks - Exactly. You found God(your belief) in your own way. Congratulations.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 5:22 am
    lostinkorea: It`s called FAITH for a reason, Korea. If there was "hard, concrete proof" then it wouldn`t be faith. The only affirmation I can offer is my own testimony, but that would never meet the `scientific proof` you seek.

    But remember this, science, by its very nature, is never capable of proving the non-existence of anything.

    Atheists take the position that if science doesn`t give us reason to believe in something, then no good reason exists. That`s simply a false assumption. Science is not the only method available to us to learn things about the world.

    Do you love your parents, siblings, children ? Can you ever prove scientifically that that love exists ? No, but it still exists.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 5:44 am
    The above goes for Davy, Bob, Jendrian and Korea as well.
    I take it then you have no reason or excuse for why you have failed to obey Jesus` instruction to sell everything you have and give it to the poor (because it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven). Understandable - it`s a ridiculous command your god has given you, no sensible person would obey it.
    It just means you`re picking and choosing the god-given instructions you like though.

    Can you ever prove scientifically that that love exists ?
    Love is brain chemistry. EEG scans can show the brain reacting when something you love is shown to you. So yes, we can prove scientifically that love exists.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 6:16 am
    Bob: I currently live on $700 a month, that`s about as poor as poor gets and still be able to afford internet and a roof over my head. You`ve stuck your foot in your mouth. It`s likely you have much much more to give away than I, maybe you should be thankful for what you have, as I do, and not wish poverty on people you disagree with.

    Measuring EEG signals doesn`t prove that love exists, only that the brain is receiving a visual stimulus. You can`t prove that you`re not just a brain in a jar somewhere. Nor can you prove what is good or evil. See even as an atheist you do make assumptions based on beliefs you can not prove.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    April 15, 2012 at 6:43 am
    Do you love your parents, siblings, children ? Can you ever prove scientifically that that love exists ? No, but it still exists.
    ____
    Love is a perceived state due to specific brain activity and chemicals. And yes, that can be demonstrated. Body chemistry, brain waves and such. Furthermore, the test can be replicated with the same results. So, therefore, it can be proved.

    And what are you testifying to? Have you seen God? Has he talked to you? Just like in court, a lawyer is not going to call you up to the stand to TESTIFY, if you didn`t: "hear", "touch", "taste" or "smell" a specific incident.

    I think people will be better off if they realize this has been all a lie. Antiquated dogmatic doctrine to keep the masses in line is nothing but but a fairytale. BE a good person and help each other because it`s the right thing to do, not because you`re afraid of a red-horned man in tights.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    April 15, 2012 at 6:47 am
    "How might we prove that God is imaginary? One way would be to find a contradiction between the definition of God and the God we experience in the real world.

    What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

    Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus` name we pray, Amen.

    We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways."

    Will anything happen? No. Of course not. Why not CrakrJk????
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    April 15, 2012 at 6:48 am
    Statistically Analyze Prayer
  86. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 7:56 am
    Arrogance in believing you`re better than God,
    If I genetically emgineered and bred sentient, immortal hamsters, then proceeded to throw the vast majority of them in a fire-pit for petty mistakes in the vague, inane instructions I gave them, then claimed to have a moral high-ground because I`m the greater creature... I`m pretty sure everyone would condemn me.

    Whether I`m better than God isn`t the issue. The issue is the hypocrisy and downright MALICE such a "pure, loving" God throws out on a regular basis, and the fact that you excuse it all because he`s such a superior being.

    And if it`s all according to a plan... Then why should I have to suffer eternally based on my LACK of free will?

    I want answers, you are content to wallow in ignorance.

    And you STILL haven`t given me any reason to believe your.interpretation of you religion is any more correct than the others.
  87. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 15, 2012 at 8:14 am
    Arrogance to believe you`re better than Jesus that died for your sins,
    Well, at least I don`t claim to love every and all, then curse an out of season fruit tree for not giving me food on demand...

    Arrogance to distort the word of God.
    That`s like saying I`m distorting the meaning of a Picasso because i don`t interpret it the same way you do.

    When the "word of god" is so vague and unclear that quite a bit of it is open to interpretation, yet following it the wrong way can get you punished for all eternity... You got problems.

    Your god is a sick, twisted little creature playing his sick, twisted little games with our lives, and you think we should all WORSHIP him for it?
  88. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 8:33 am
    "But remember this, science, by its very nature, is never capable of proving the non-existence of anything."

    Crakr:

    This is a non-squitur, no one can ever prove something does not exist. So using your logic it would be correct to believe everything until proven false. Why does religion get the special pleading that god should be believed until proven false when no reasonable person would apply that type of logic to any other part of his life?

    Also name one truth that religion has proven true, just one. You can`t because religion makes wild guesses that have nothing to do with reality and when proven wrong, as they have been thousands of times, they just change their guess to a gap that hasn`t been proven yet.
  89. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 9:22 am
    then proceeded to throw the vast majority of them in a fire-pit for petty mistakes in the vague, inane instructions I gave them
    Oh, and let`s not leave out the fact that, being omnipotent since I created their little world and their little minds, including all the stimuli and information that would lead them to draw the conclusions and make the decisions they would, I KNEW they were going to make those mistakes.

    So... I`m punishing them for doing the inevitable, all while giving them the illusion of "free will" by sending false prophets and teasing them into figuring out which one`s the real one, or even if there IS a real one (the perspective the Jews take, and what makes them wrong and you right?).

    Regardless of morality, is someone started doing that to a "lesser" creature, they`d be a sadistic psychopath. If some greater being does it to us, he`s God?
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    ukulelemike Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 9:53 am
    1: Well, He is God, the Creator of all, almighty, so yeah, He IS supreme. What`s the problem?
    2: Jesus knew His mission and was willing to accomplish it for the good of the world-yet we`ll praise a soldier who knowingly goes to war for laying his life down for the good of the country.
    3:After they continually ignored and killed the true prophets, He sent lying ones to tell them what they wanted to hear. Better listen to the first ones.
    4:He gave Pharaoh chances to let them go peaceably, but he refused, even after each plague the offer was given and refused. And the worshipers of Baal killed children for their sacrifices-they were better off dead.
    5:Gave them a choice of obedience or disobedience-without that, there is no free will.
    6:Did not allow him to go through with it. Abraham believed that id Isaac died, yet God would raise him again, because of His promise that Isaac would produce seed.
    7:God-rejecters who even sought to abuse the angels of God who could
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    ukulelemike Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 9:58 am
    Its funny-we all get mad and rage because the government is taking away our rights and freedoms, and yet, because God gave us freedom to choose between right and wrong, we complain that He gave it to us, that somehow it is a game He plays, because he is omniscient. Being omniscient does not mean He has chosen what we will do, just that He knows in advance what we will do. If we really thought we had no will, we would complain about that, too. He wants man to follow Him willingly, and has given us every reason to do so. But there is a price for choosing to reject Him. Consequences on both sides.
    As for the fig tree every one is whining about, Jesus used it as an example, a parable, if you will, for Israel, who, because of their rejection of their Messiah, would be cut off, even as the tree was.
  92. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 10:05 am
    Regardless of morality,
    Or perhaps it`s not regardless of morality, now that I think about it...

    Perhaps it`s BECAUSE of morality, and the differences between yours and mine?

    I have an unwavering code in which all things are right or wrong based on their effect, regardless of who the individual in question is.

    Your moral code bends to the will of some "divine being" in your head.
  93. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 10:16 am
    1: Well, He is God, the Creator of all, almighty, so yeah, He IS supreme. What`s the problem?
    You know this... How?

    Because the Holy Book says so? That`s circular logic, because the only reason you know the Holy Book is true is because God says so, and the only reason you know God is true is because the Holy Book says so, etc.

    Because he spoke to you? Than it isn`t faith since you have proof, right?

    3:After they continually ignored and killed the true prophets, He sent lying ones to tell them what they wanted to hear.
    And how, in all your logical superiority, can you tell the difference?

    Because God told you? See above point about "it`s not faith if you have actual proof."
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 10:23 am
    Fu­ck it, I have to go get ready for work, so I don`t have time for this.

    Besides, it`s pointless to argue with an idiot who willingly falls into a circular logic trap and refuses to climb out.
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    Zuriel Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2012 at 11:26 am
    Mother Goose told me in a dream that "god" wasn`t real.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 11:33 am
    @ukulelemike:
    1. What about his creator? Is he supreme to him? Besides, the point of that is that he hates arrogance, yet he continuously declares himself almighty and ruler of all creatures. That`s arrogance.

    2. I don`t see the iraquis praising american soldiers, just like I don`t see muslims praising your saviour, are they saved too? Moreover, soldiers don`t know they`re going to die. They are counting on the probability that if everything goes well, they will go back home. If Jesus knew he was going to be flayed, betrayed and murdered, but more importantly still disbelieved, then what good did he accomplish? He died for your sins? Oh but he left one didn`t he? The original sin, which you are born with, and can send babies to hell.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 11:44 am
    3. The point is again, that he hates lying, yet he lies. Besides that, what a stupid way to deal with the situation of people not liking your prophets. God, in all his omnipotence, couldn`t send more followable prophets.
    4. He gave the pharaoh chances to go peacefully... yet because he`s omniscient he knew he wouldn`t obey. Funny you say that the priests of Baal were killing children, because god gladly accepted the human sacrifice of Jephthah`s virgin daughter (Judges 11:29-39), and he himself killed the first born of every egyptian, let alone all the people in Sodom & Gomorrah; but I guess those children don`t count.

    5. Ok so let me get this straight:
    The choice of obedience - which by definition means you accept the removal of your free will - or disobedience, which he tells you will have you tormented for all eternity, is what god considers "free will"?
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 11:52 am
    6. He didn`t allow Abraham to go through with it, but Jephthah... that`s ok, he had a daughter, who cares about women? Not this god for sure. But it`s not just girls that he accepts as human sacrifice, he takes just about anything, goats, people, thoughts, and there`s plenty of examples, for instance

    2 Samuel 21:8-14, where god kills the sons of Rizpah and Michal for harvest of all things. He demanded 7 drating kids to give a good harvest.

    7. God-rejecters need to be brutally wiped out. As far as the story goes, Sodom & Gomorrah were places people went to, just like porn websites, if you don`t like them, skip them. No one`s forcing you to go there. Yet god decided it was best to just wipe out every porn and gambling site and punish the people in there for all eternity.

    Nice try
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    jkfld Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    CrakrJak is not a Christian, he`s an authoritarian. If his parents had been Muslims he`d be just as adamant about the "truth" of Islam and just as certain about the punishment awaiting all those who reject Allah.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    If God came from a race of Gods it seems we got the dick.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 3:03 pm
    "Being omniscient does not mean He has chosen what we will do, just that He knows in advance what we will do."

    ukulelemike:

    There are so many fallacies in your points but I will just address this one because it is huge.

    If god knows in advance what I will do, how does that equate to free will? If he knew before i was born that he would send my soul to be tortured forever he is an asshat for allowing me to be born in the first place. Free will means I get a choice, if you know my choice before I make it, IT IS NOT A CHOICE!

    This goes back to your first point that because he is god all he does is the "right". Might does not make right. Might makes a dictator and that is what you worship, a dictator.
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    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    @CrakrJack, yes you can prove love exists, they`ve identified the region in your brain that senses love and releases the chemicals to provide the feeling.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 3:52 pm
    jkfld: You jumped the shark so far you ended up head first in the sand. Don`t even pretend that you know me. I`m on the libertarian side, not the authoritarian side.

    Comparing me to some radical muslim, really ? I`m no zealot, no evangelist, heck I don`t even attend church but maybe a few times a year.

    If you think because I share my personal belief in God with people here to be `radical` or `authoritarian` then you need to get off the drugs man, you`re getting a bit too paranoid.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    Crakr:

    Libertarians don`t re-write the first amendment. Libertarians don`t believe the majority should rule over the individual when it comes to personal liberty. Nice try.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    @CrakrJak: So in all seriousness, do you believe there`s a heaven you`ll go to if you follow the rules of the bible? How do you know which interpretation of the bible is the one you ought to follow to get into heaven? There`s parts of it that say you must sacrifice two lambs per day (in a very specific manner) to please god... (Exodus 29:31-43).

    So if some parts of the supposed word of god you ignore in order to be civilized, how do you expect to get into heaven?
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    AMUUUURICA!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 4:21 pm
    Otto: I wouldn`t dream of re-writing the first amendment.

    Libertarians don`t believe the majority should rule over the individual when it comes to personal liberty.

    You`re confusing libertarianism with anarchism. We must live by laws and those laws are instituted by majority vote. My personal liberty ends if my fist meets your nose, for example. We all must still obey the laws of the land. If you don`t like one of those laws you have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    jendrian: Don`t be coy, I`ve already stated many times here on IAB what I believe, and the Bible says, that ones name is written in the book of life when they accept Jesus as their personal savior and that is all that`s necessary.

    You`re purposely being fallacious, quit being a troll.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    lol, CrakrJak seriously? That`s all you need? Then what`s with all the other mumbo jumbo about morals and ethics?
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    April 15, 2012 at 4:44 pm
    Crakr you are a liar, here is what you quoted the first amendment to say on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:48:50 PM (I saved it because I knew you would later deny it).

    "Congress shall make no law establishing religion or abridging the free expression thereof...".

    Here is what the first amendment actually says

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech"

    You cut out what you didn`t like, there are 22 words in that section and you cut out 9. That is re-writing the first amendment.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    April 15, 2012 at 4:52 pm
    "We must live by laws and those laws are instituted by majority vote."

    Crakr:

    Laws are voted on by our representatives and if they violate the Bill of Rights they are struck down by the Courts so therefore a law that intrudes on the rights of the individual as defined in the Bill of Rights does not apply no matter what the majority votes for.

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    jkfld Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2012 at 5:10 pm
    "Don`t even pretend that you know me. I`m on the libertarian side, not the authoritarian side."

    If you`d read the book you`d know it addresses the *psychological phenomenon of the authoritarian personality*, not political affiliation. There`s a test in there. Why don`t you take it?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 15, 2012 at 5:41 pm
    If God came from a race of Gods it seems we got the dick.

    Thank you @madest for your usual, inciteful, thoughtful and utterly useless opinion.

    Now be a good boy and go smoke some more pot! Quietly. Away from the keyboard...

    And un-tuck your shirt! People will think you`ve murdered someone!!! For crying out loud.
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    LilyLily Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2012 at 5:42 pm
    Crakr, sometimes I find your posts interesting, so no offence meant, but it`s awfully refreshing to have some of your BS called out.

    Also, the Muslim thing seems to be/is a parallel, not a comparison. Ie, "In this situation" not "YOU ARE THIS". Don`t overreact. :|
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2012 at 3:21 am
    Bob: I currently live on $700 a month, that`s about as poor as poor gets and still be able to afford internet and a roof over my head.
    You seem to be forgetting the entire continent of Africa, large portions of Asia, and some parts of South America.
    If you can afford internet, you are not poor.

    And in any event, Jesus` command doesn`t account for your personal situation (another reason why it`s ridiculous). He just instructs you to sell everything you have.

    maybe you should be thankful for what you have, as I do, and not wish poverty on people you disagree with.
    Believe me, I am very thankful that we are both lucky enough to have been born into privileged societies, and I absolutely am not wishing poverty on you. I don`t want you to sell everything you have and give it to the poor.
    Your god does.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2012 at 3:29 am
    You can`t prove that you`re not just a brain in a jar somewhere. Nor can you prove what is good or evil. See even as an atheist you do make assumptions based on beliefs you can not prove.
    True. But if I were a brain in a jar, or living in the Matrix, or in a dream within a dream within a dream, I would have no way of knowing. And what would really be the difference?

    I`m assuming I`m not a brain in a jar, because I have no evidence to suggest I am, and anyway it`s unprovable. That seems to be the logic you`re encouraging me to use.
    Unfortunately that`s the same logic that leads me to reject all god claims, including yours - I have no evidence to suggest any god claim is true, and god claims tend to be untestable or unproveable anyway (ignoring LostInKorea`s very valid point about testing the biblical prayer claims).
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2012 at 3:32 am
    Being omniscient does not mean He has chosen what we will do, just that He knows in advance what we will do.
    A-ha! I was hoping someone would mention this.

    The existence of an omniscient being logically precludes the possibility of free will. Bonus points if you see why, since the explanation will probably take more than 1000 characters.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2012 at 3:41 am
    Comparing me to some radical muslim, really ?
    How is the muslim in jkfld`s post "radical"? The muslim he described:

    If his parents had been Muslims he`d be just as adamant about the "truth" of Islam and just as certain about the punishment awaiting all those who reject Allah.

    That`s just someone who believes, a devout muslim - not a radical one who blows up foreign embassies.

    If we tweak it to talk about a Christian:
    If his parents had been Christians he`d be just as adamant about the "truth" of Christianity and just as certain about the punishment awaiting all those who reject Jesus.
    It very accurately describes the beliefs of yourself and the vast majority of devout Christians - not radical Christians who blow up abortion clinics.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2012 at 8:25 am
    Otto: I didn`t rewrite anything, I didn`t quote it exactly, that I`ll admit. I typed it so that it was more succinct, easier to understand, not because I disliked any portion of it.

    Anal retentive much? What I typed is the law and is in the written opinions of various supreme court decisions.

    What`s the difference if you type, "That woman was driving a Volve, yellow in color, like a bat out of hell" or "A yellow Volvo was being driven like a bat out of hell, by that woman" ?

    It means the same thing, so quit being a pernicious nitpicker.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2012 at 8:38 am
    Bob: You still stuck your foot in your mouth, but you`ll never admit it. Jesus` command was to a rich man that wanted to become his disciple, not to every Christian on earth. I`m not a disciple, preacher or evangelist and don`t wish to be.

    I`m assuming I`m not a brain in a jar, because I have no evidence to suggest I am, and anyway it`s unprovable.

    But you still believe somethings based on assumptions that you can not prove, that is in no way different than my faith in Jesus Christ.

    The existence of an omniscient being logically precludes the possibility of free will.

    God exists outside of time. You see time like an every branching tree of time lines, God sees them quite differently.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2012 at 8:44 am


    I believe, but can`t prove, that a simple way of understanding it is like looking at a newly bought live Christmas tree bundled in a net and ready to be brought home.

    We are limited, for instance I`ll never walk on Mars or grow wings and fly like a bird. We have freewill but we`ll still end up in the same place, the grave. We jump from branch to branch without even knowing it, God sees the whole tree, we do not.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2012 at 9:26 am
    Otto: I typed it so that it was more succinct, easier to understand, not because I disliked any portion of it.

    Crakr:

    This is another lie. In the same post that you edited the first amendment, you quoted the `Lemon test` ruling of the Supreme Court as it refers to the Establisment Clause. That verbage is a WORD FOR WORD cut and paste off of Wikipedia`s "FIRST AMENDMENT" page. So you edited what the First Amendment said on purpose, the funny thing is you put it in quotes and used the exact same words, you just left out significant words and made it seem that religion had more protection than it had. You did it on purpose to make it fit your argument and did not think anyone would notice.

    9 out 22 is almost 50%.... that is not me nitpicking, that is proof of your dishonesty.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2012 at 9:29 am
    "What I typed is the law and is in the written opinions of various supreme court decisions."

    No it`s not, name one.

    You already have shown a complete lack of understanding of the `Lemon Test` what of other Supreme Court decision are you going to misrepresent?
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    @CrakrJak: Metaphors are always nice; atheists (and christians, muslims, buddhists, et al) can also see the whole tree, it`s not only god that realizes the limitations of your physical being and the extent of your free will. Religion is more like chopping the tree and fastening it to your car, where you`re bound by the decision of the driver, instead of leaving the tree to branch out next to other trees with true freedom.

    You can even extend the analogy further: every tree in the lot that`s picked by a driver feels like they`re on the path to something better, that after being chopped and sold by some figure who claims to understand the true path of trees, he will end up on ever-lasting happiness; but alas, you`ll be dressed up silly for a week and wither faster than the other trees in the forest.

    Hey, don`t take it literally, you`re not a tree :-)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2012 at 6:45 pm
    Otto: You`re being idiotic over a minor detail. That`s nothing new for you, You`ve taken pains to try and discredit anyone you can that way. Quibbling, like that, just makes you a disingenuous pest. Grow up.

    jendrian: I see your being just as disingenuous as Otto. Being an annoying pest is a sport for you, perhaps you need to get out more and find something to do other than the mental masturbation you`re doing now.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2012 at 7:16 pm
    relax man, forgiving is a christian thing is it not?
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2012 at 8:14 pm
    "You`re being idiotic over a minor detail."

    Crakr:

    I don`t consider the first amendment a minor detail. A sentence can be changed be removing 1 word and you removed 9, and then you minimize your dishonesty. You are not a libertarian. You are the worst kind of threat to freedom, a person who truly values freedom fights for the freedom of those he disagrees with.

    And of course after claiming your re-writing of the first amendment was based on Supreme Court Cases and you were asked to list 1 you couldn`t. You make a lot of claims and rarely back them up, and when you do try to it is often by lying.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2012 at 7:01 am
    (For those reading along, we are talking about Matthew 19:16-28 if you want to read the passage yourself.)

    Bob: You still stuck your foot in your mouth, but you`ll never admit it. Jesus` command was to a rich man that wanted to become his disciple, not to every Christian on earth. I`m not a disciple, preacher or evangelist and don`t wish to be.

    The man did not ask to become Jesus` disciple either. He just asked "What good thing must I do to get eternal life?". He just wanted to know what to do to get into heaven.

    And Jesus reiterates TWICE (Matthew 19:23-24) that is is very difficult for a rich person to get into heaven. He talks in the general case - about anyone, NOT just specifically this man. You can tell he is talking in general terms from the reaction of the other disciples (Matthew 19:25).

    The passage just doesn`t say what you claim it says. Jesus was talking in the general case, as an instruction to everyone.

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