Is Libertarianism An Extremely Dangerous Fad?

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 5 years ago in

This guy thinks it is and basically says F U Ron Paul. Does he make a good argument I-A-B? NSFW Language
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Male 411
@ cityncolour

Libertarianism does not automatically remove corruption from government, nor does it prevent decisions that are made elsewhere from affecting you. All it does is change the people who are making those decisions from the government to businesses. Free from "suffocating regulation", power companies will be free to pump nasty crap into your wonderful Nebraska air. With no "unenforceable laws" mining companies will be free to fill your rivers with run off.

No free market system could ever stop large companies from doing w/e the fark they want. They simply buy up any competition and leave you with none of the choices that espouse will solve everything.
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Male 411
@ Cajun247

I see you`ve been drinking the free market koolaid. What`s missing from your calculations is Monopolies. Monopolies occur naturally in a free market and wipe out competition.

You might argue that people can choose not to use such a companies product. Sure, go ahead and go without electricity, running water, or internet. Let`s see how long you prosper in this modern society with out those things.

Free market is a false choice. As the guy explained in the video, profit motives will always win out and big businesses will simply consolidate their power and exercise control over just about everything.
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Male 379
@Gerry1of1

i generally enjoy your views and comments however, i must disagree.

"It`s a political "every man for himself" philosophy."

this is not true. maybe as far as individual freedoms and privacy, there is some truth to that statement. however, as far as a "political" and "societal" aspects libertarianism is simply the united sates as it was designed. a country free from uniform policies of suffocating regulations and unenforceable laws. a country free from tariffs and grand corruption. a country where over-privileged, overpaid, and out of touch politicians of D.C. do not make decisions for me in nebraska.
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Male 379
also... the libertarian party is the only true and equal party. liberal socially, conservative fiscally. live and let live; i work for what i get. pretty simple and fair if you ask me. it promotes responsibility instead of this society of blameless finger pointers that we have now. it promotes self-sufficiency as opposed to the welfare state that we find ourselves in. it promotes sound money as opposed to the current decline of our currency and runaway inflation. the question should be; how are more NOT on board?
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Male 379
trying to explain a "problem" that you clearly don`t understand is laughable at best.
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Male 1,399
You fool.

Under Libertarianism, the government doesn`t have enough power to sell.

Don`t you people get it? THE GOVERNMENT CAN`T SELL POWER IT DOESN`T HAVE.

You keep giving the government more power, then weep and wail when people try to influence it?
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Male 4,079
I`m not a libertarian, nor do I agree with much of what they believe. But this guy speaks in generalities and is often mistaken and biased. Pure modern sophistry.
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Male 1,048
This guy listens to afi... damn it.
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Male 1,471
Barriers to entry are often lobbied for by the corporations to make it easier for them to keep their market share, that`s true. The taxi medalion for example should be abolished. But most regulations do not fall under this category, unless they also serve a purpose, like mandatory food hygiene education for employees at restaurants to prevent food poisoning.
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Male 282
This is your typical jackass whose doped up on television.
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Male 73
As a libertarian, this convoluted POS video isn`t even worth a proper response. If you want to understand libertarian economic policies go read FA Hayek and stop listening to MSNBC...drater.
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Male 159
just another idiot with a webcam...... this guy should stfu and go back to tending his weed crop and drating his sister...
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Male 3,445
"Perhaps there was a collusion going on. It`s not like companies that aren`t regulated won`t all increase prices to make a buck. Corporations have no benevolent motives, their job is to maximize profits."

Yes, that was exactly the problem. The entire population got screwed and there was a huge outcry to bring the regulation back. And that`s in San Diego, which is traditionally a more conservative (for California) city.
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Male 5,811
[quote]...and she didn`t try to switch companies? [/quote]
Perhaps there was a collusion going on. It`s not like companies that aren`t regulated won`t all increase prices to make a buck. Corporations have no benevolent motives, their job is to maximize profits.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Electric bills skyrocketed as the corporations tried to gouge the consumers as much as possible[/quote]

...and she didn`t try to switch companies?

[quote]You need the government to regulate certain things[/quote]

Not in a way that scares competitors away that`s why prices are high (and wages are low).
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Male 10,855
[quote]Since the large corporations have enormous economic power[/quote]

Such power can only be sustained of you have government imposed barriers to entry like many regulations are. Even companies support those regulations to protect their market share.
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Male 3,445
"Why is freedom despicable?"

You really twisted what I said. What I find despicable is the every man for himself extreme and the trust that the market will police itself. Sure, companies will police one another under a libertarian government, but that doesn`t mean they`ll do what`s fair for the consumer.

In the late 1990s, when I lived with my parents in San Diego, the city voted to deregulate the power companies. Guess what happened? Electric bills skyrocketed as the corporations tried to gouge the consumers as much as possible. Our bill more than tripled in a couple months. You need the government to regulate certain things.
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Male 1,471
@randomxnp: I can`t really speak for your danish friends, but my guess is that it`s because danish people generally suck.. (I`m faroese, so i might be a bit biased). I honestly don`t like this place either. But there`s no getting around the fact that Denmark as a society works very well, despite it being extremely socialist by american standards..

As for the corporatist/statist pseudo-capitalism: That`s not how he defined libertarianism. What he said was that if american government adopts libertarian principles, it would very quickly turn into a corporation controled system, because not only would people have the freedom to prosper, the corporations would also have the freedom to exploit the people to an extreme degree. Since the large corporations have enormous economic power, the public couldn`t do much to oppose them, and viola.
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Male 5,811
This guy makes some weird comparisons, not sure how an axle is like a person...

Also, capitalism itself isn`t the whole problem, neither is it the originator of corruption. Roman senate was corrupt, or look at any royalty in any country`s history. Money does tend to corrupt more though, in the sense of more people being corrupted, but that could also be a product of modern governments being larger than historical ones.

[quote]He`s apparently the product of our dismal liberal public education system.[/quote]
Kinda funny how things like education and science have an inherently liberal bias, but at least you guys have the bias on greed. ;-)
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Male 10,855
[quote]Now imagine how bad they would be with absolutely NO restrictions on what they can do.[/quote]

Sure the system is rigged, unfortunately rigging it more "to equalize" just gives the wealthy elite more power over you.

[quote]Sounds like freedom, but it has no protections either. The big corporation is free to walk all over you.[/quote]

Anything government can`t deal with an open market can address with a swift, brutal damage to profit margins.
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Male 1,497
No rights and poo hours? Sounds like my first job. If there were no government standards every electric company would have different sockets for appliances. !00$ adapters everywhere.
So this guy has a point or two. Realy successfull governments are on the fence balancing right and left. Too much of either is bad.
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Male 10,855
This rant is filled with inconsistencies, and misconceptions.

Fu<k you too hater. Up yours and swivel on it.
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Male 38,511

@ randomxnp [quote]"Why is that bad." [/quote]
Undeer the current system, corporations have bought and paid for the governement. Now imagine how bad they would be with absolutely NO restrictions on what they can do. With no regulations or limitations of any kind. Your daily wage is noe $2. You have no housing codes and live in a fire trap. Your 10 year old has a job because you cannot afford to buy school for him.

Libertarian party does not believe in any restrictions on your ability to "prosper" or make a profit. Sky`s the Limit. Sounds like freedom, but it has no protections either. The big corporation is free to walk all over you. You are free to stop him, if you can, but the government will not get involved.

I call that `bad`.
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Male 2,469
"When the axle of your car has the freedom to break off while you`re driving down the GD road....."



Really? Mom was right. You can`t fix stupid.
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Male 84
State laws > federal laws
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Male 198
Bout time
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Male 6,737
Also, some give Tiredofnicks an internet.
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Male 6,737
Every country requires a government. This guy is spot-on.

A country based on Capitalism will collapse in on itself.
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Male 1,293
foolsPrussia

Why is freedom despicable?

Gerry

"It`s a political "every man for himself" philosophy"

Why is that bad? If you have understood libertarianism then it is a good thing. If you mean total lawlessness then you have misunderstood libertarianism.
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Male 1,293
Kain1

Great. Surveys. Why is it that none of my Danish friends (and I have a fair few, having worked in partnership with a Danish company) wish to return to Denmark? Don`t get me wrong, I like the place; I wouldn`t want to live there though.

As for this guy being right, he can`t even get socialism or capitalism right; he is totally screwy with his idea of libertarianism. He is thinking it is corporatist/statist pseudo-capitalism, which is actually the economic model introduced by socialists. National socialists had the most extreme form, but the current US government is fairly set on crony capitalism, as it is often misnamed. It has nothing to do with capitalism, and everything to do with political connections, an inevitable result of socialism despite it not being apparent in the pure socialist theory. It is the intersection of socialism with the reality of human nature.

So this guy is so thick he uses arguments against the results of socialism to argue for
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Male 1,293
He might make less of an idiot of himself if he knew what libertarianism was.

Tiredofnicks

So that is why Sweden is moving away from socialism now is it? That is why Scandanavia has some of the highest alcoholism rates and suicide rates in the developed world? That is why a can of beer costs 68 Kr in a bar in a country with huge per-capita oil revenue?
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Male 1,471
@Tiredofnicks: +1!!

This guy is obviously right about pretty much everything he said.. This is not some ideological exclamation, but rather a rational examination of the evidence for which system works. Libertarian capitalism certainly isn`t it. The US is struggeling already, while Denmark for example has the most stable economy in the world at the moment, as well as some of the best scores in nearly all the different measures for a prosperous society. Including personal freedom! Denmark, which most of you americans would call a socialist regime. You need to think about what you believe in, and not just regurgitate whatever your parents taught you. There`s no point in holding an ideology that obviously and evidently doesn`t work.
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Male 787
I for one appreciate personal liberties.
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Male 5,094
Greetings from Scandinavia, "socialist" as you call us, consistently ranked highest for happiness, stability of economy, general freedom of the populace etcetera.
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Male 300
A trailer park socialist. At least he is getting sunlight. If it were a regular home his mother would surely keep him in the basement.
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Male 161
I try to be elegant in my statements when I argue politics, but quite frankly, his arguments do not deserve that, so I will just say this, I wish there was a way to punch people through the internet. Ron Paul 2012.
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Male 1,511

Haha, troll.
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Male 1,059
Yeah... `cause the last 3 years of unabated socialism has been just a dream come true. Double-digit unemployment, 5,000,000,000,000+ more debt, crashing home values and skyrocketing gas prices. Yay, socialism!
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Male 15,832
What an stupid, ignorant, arrogant dickhole. He`s apparently the product of our dismal liberal public education system. Well, Sparky, here`s a but of education for you: Libertarianism has been a "fad" since 1066.
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Male 307
@Fo - completely agree with you... but we aren`t going to get out of this "without government." Note, I didn`t say it`s current form... perhaps my comment should have said that the libertarian movement (like the demos and repubs) have been hijacked to their extremist ends, thereby creating the situation we have today. A massive change in the government with logical, cool-headed and bi-partisan work (I know, sounds impossible!) *COULD* fix our problems.. then would be the time to step back and limit the governments role in day to day life.

However, the extremist version of libertarianism (or either mainstream party, for that matter) won`t work for fixing.
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Female 846
Jesus drating christ, this guy should just move to North Korea and get it over with.
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Male 1,399
Dangerous...compared to what? Socialism?

History says otherwise.
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Male 65
i`m not a libertarian, I do like smaller government (i would consider myself a right-leaning moderate), but since when do libertarians want 0 regulation? 0 safety-net programs? news to me....
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Male 546
Duped or Dupee?

I thought liberals were supposed to be more educated and intelligent?

This is off base on many levels. Sad even. Maybe he`s bucking for his own show on MSNBC?
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Male 3,445
Littlelo: Well said.
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Female 150
I agreed with his points but I wish he`d been less offensive in bringing them across. I`d like to have shared this with my people on FB in hopes that they`d be swayed by it but then I saw the end. If you want to change people`s minds, calling them names and flipping them off is the wrong way to go about it.
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Male 4,396
If this story is true Ayn Rand took government assistence while decrying those who did the same.
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Male 330
DFW: The mess is because of government. If you let government fix it, it`s never going to loosen the reins, that`s how it`s always been.
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Male 1,084
Cant stand him or his sound quality, but the Libertarians I see on the news and stuff seem to make a lot sense.
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Male 307
As far as it`s basic tenents and original ideological theory, I agree with the ideal belief of libertarianism - unfortunately, the movement has been hijacked and turned into something that is radically different from what it originally was intended, thereby negating almost all of it`s original precepts. The current movement basically has started fresh and just stole the name "libertarian" to try to provide it`s current form some sort of reputable history.

Even returned to it`s original tenents and beliefs, I am not sure the movement would be the best for today. Everything is such a mess that there does need to be some guidance to get us back on track before we can relax the reigns and allow "small government" to exist.
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Male 38,511

The Libertarian Party is more like the Anarchy party. Here`s exerts from their Platform Page of the national Libertarian party.

[quote]"Labor Markets - We support repeal of all laws which impede the ability of any person to find employment." [/quote]
This includes all child labor laws. Why shouldn`t a 10 year old go to work? Also any government regulation on safety, as in coal mines and factories.

Additionally, the LibParty does not believe in a public education system, it`s up the parents if they can afford it.
[quote]"Education - Recognizing that the education of children is inextricably linked to moral values, we would return authority to parents to determine the education of their children, without interference from government. In particular, parents should have control of and responsibility for all funds expended for their children`s education." [/quote]
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Male 934
He`s defining libertarianism by it`s most fringe definition. Most libertarians are for reasonable regulations, laws, etc. They just believe that at this current point in time, the government is too large and is trying to manage too much.

I don`t see corporations racking up the national debt as quickly as the politicians.
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Male 729
Well, the snaggle-toothed Shaggy inbreeder has some points. Stupid points. For some reason, people interpret the campaign to reduce the Federal Government as a campaign to reduce all government. Having listened to this "speech" no person will be any more informed about Libertarians than they would if they had watched a Lady Gaga video. It`s nice that he is so confident about his ignorance, though, as it is his most charming attribute. I would like to hear his take on Republicans and Democrats, which would likely resemble a talk about singers versus dancers.
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Male 3,445
I find Libertarianism to be a despicable ideology that is usually supported by naive people, but this guy`s rant was a bit unfocused. And the ending was pretty immature.
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Male 2,345
Libertarism is NOT new and NOT a fad. it has been a political party for decades.

also, did he just refer to our liberty as an axle on a car?

this guy is a total tool and sounds like a socialist idiot.

also, companies today could never go back to treating workers they way they used to whether the gov was involved or not because there is too much competition and workers will simply go to companies that do treat them well.

this guy is a nobody that thinks because he has access to youtube that somehow his stupid ideas are not so stupid and that somehow his ideas means poo.

drat him and his BS.
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Male 3,463
I stopped at 2 minutes because I can`t stand him.

Yes, RP (and I) want a smaller government, but it`s not a total abolition of the government`s role in a person`s daily life, it is a lowering of the role.
Minimum wage isn`t going to suddenly disappear if RP gets elected.

Pure capitalism is bad.
There needs to be a balance of socialism and capitalism, but that doesn`t mean a 50/50 break; more like a 80/20 balance with capitalism taking the majority.
That would be enough for anyone to advance, yet not keep the bottom at the bottom.
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Male 38,511

"Freedom is Bullpoo" ? .... ? coughIDIOTcough

Small government is good but Libertarianism is bad.
It`s a political "every man for himself" philosophy.
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Male 67
Douche bag... Read John Stuart Mill if you want a good idea about libertarianism
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Female 8,044
Link: Is Libertarianism An Extremely Dangerous Fad? [Rate Link] - This guy thinks it is and basically says F U Ron Paul. Does he make a good argument I-A-B? NSFW Language
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