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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2012 at 3:33 pm
    Link: Did Trayvon Double Back The Night He Died? - Extensive analysis of that night, with 911 audio, maps, the photo of the scene and DeeDee`s account--the whole thing.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 3:42 pm
    It no clicky.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    LOL, Finally! How many times did you have to post this 5Cats? I read this like a week ago from the live submissions (before it got "censored").

    It`s a really good compilation of events. I think it really sums everything up well. With some intelligent speculation, no jumping to conclusions or being closed minded or race baiting.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2012 at 4:19 pm
    @DingDingDong: Twice! I`m not kidding!
    SOMEONE deleted ALL my suggestions since April 9, at least!

    Here is a LONG account of that fateful night.

    Big Question: Trayvon had 90+ seconds with no Zimmerman chasing him. He could have walked home easily! Why didn`t he?

    Why has the MSM, who`ve had all this information and more, utterly ignored this?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 4:23 pm
    Okay, so, this is pretty exhaustive, although, one would hope folks would it admit it requires a great deal of speculation about what Martin knew of the neighborhood, if he was heading home versus a friend`s house, etc.

    But, that`s irrelevant. Let`s just assume this is all correct and that Martin not only did double back, but that he did so confront Z.! Even still, are we to not consider what caused that? Are we to not consider the fact that Martin was unarmed? Are not to consider the fact that Z. initiated the interaction between the two?

    I`m not calling for Z.`s head. I`m not calling for life in prison, or calling him a racist. But, I don`t see how a thinking person, even believing this account, that M. doubled back, could assign no culpability whatsoever to Z. Martin was unarmed and he`s now dead. There`s a problem if we think that, even if initiated a fistfight with Z. that it`s okay to shoot and kill him.
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    Hoofer Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm
    I really don`t care that he shot this kid.
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    TrustusJones Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm
    I guess we`ll find out after the trial is over and justice has been served. Interesting point of view, though.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm
    Oh, for those who read comments first: YES this is VERY long! But complete! And accurate!

    And DeeDee`s account? Actually supports Zimmerman`s story.

    FURTHERMORE: According to the 911 tape, Martin spent about 90 seconds "checking Zimmerman out" ok? Wtf is up with that? An "innocent child on his way home" stops and gawks at a car that stops for over a minute? In the rain? Then RUNS away?

    Sorry, I just cannot wrap my mind around that part.
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    Oh my god, this explains everything.
    Zimmerman had every right to shoot Trayvon dead.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2012 at 4:30 pm
    one would hope folks would it admit it requires a great deal of speculation about what Martin knew of the neighborhood, if he was heading home versus a friend`s house, etc.
    NO @SmagBoy, he was heading to the girlfriend of his father`s hose where he`d been staying for a while. LOOK at the map! Straight streets (mostly) hard place to get lost, eh?

    Are we to not consider the fact that Martin was unarmed?
    No actually, that is entirely irrelivant.

    Are not to consider the fact that Z. initiated the interaction between the two?
    If this theory is correct, then Z returned to his car AS INSTRUCTED and then M confronted HIM. Logic fail there @SmagBoy.

    even if initiated a fistfight with Z.
    If you`re afraid for your life after being jumped by a 6`2" dude? YES you can shoot him!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2012 at 4:34 pm
    @TrustUsJones: Thanks! I`m glad you found it interesting, I sure did!
    That`s the POINT of IAB! Intersting stuff! Not boring!
    I`m finding this case amazingly interesting! Sad, tragic, enraging and a dozen other words too. But boring? Not by a mile!

    @EdgarSka: Hope you`re serious but suspect teh sarcasm...
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    KitFox Female 30-39
    595 posts
    April 20, 2012 at 4:52 pm
    OMG, I so don`t care about this story anymore. Trayvon has become the poster child for the still existent racism in our society. Are we really surprised, or do we just want something to new to be outraged about?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 4:57 pm
    NO @SmagBoy, he was heading to the girlfriend of his father`s hose where he`d been staying for a while.

    No, 5Cats, that`s supposition. We don`t know where he was heading. We *think* he was going back there. He may have even *said* he was. But, what if heard someone playing hoops? What if saw a pretty girl? What if some guys called him over to talk for a minute or two? Where we *think* he was heading and where he was are two different things.

    If you believe that it`s okay for a smaller person to shoot and kill an unarmed larger person just because they`re in a fight and the smaller person claims fear for their life, that`s your take. And, if the law supports that, then it does. But seems pretty damned dangerous to me. And, I`ll bet that had a black man shot and killed a white kid, the entire reaction, across the spectrum, would be different. Law should be color blind. In this case, I don`t think it is. Again, I`m not for throwing Z. in jail f
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 4:58 pm
    orever, I`m just saying that he needs to be held responsible for the death that he caused. If arresting him, trying him and reaching a verdict frees him, so be it. But, walking away with nothing? That was a travesty in my humble, crazy liberal opinion.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:04 pm
    But, what if heard someone playing hoops?
    In the dark, in the rain...
    What if saw a pretty girl?
    While on the phone with DeeDee?
    What if some guys called him over to talk for a minute or two?
    Then there`s be TWO EYEWITNESSES!
    Remember in that other thread I mentioned you were getting silly? Yeah, it`s happening here too.

    I`m just saying that he needs to be held responsible for the death that he caused.
    The Law (capital L) says he is `responsible`! And that he should walk free, regardless.

    Self defense in fear of ones life = NO jail.
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    yackedyyack Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    I have a bone to pick with people who are saying Martin is some how in the wrong for confronting Z and asking him why he was being followed. There is nothing illegal about this. If I place myself in his situation, I might not do the same thing, but we are not him.

    How is it incriminating that he confronts someone who is following him?

    Also, why is it incriminating that he takes his time to go where he is headed? If there is a law stating that that you have to go home in exactly the time it would take. Maybe he didn`t want some creep knowing where he lives.

    It seems like you aren`t giving the same right for M. to do whatever he wants that you are giving Z.





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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    5Cats, I was just offering generic things that might have caused him to not be going where this analysis ASSUMES him to have been going. If you can`t even allows that it`s *possible* that was not heading straight back there, there`s no need to keep discussing this. I`ve been extremely tolerant in this. I personally think that Z. is a punk who flunked out of cop school and has a HUGE chip on his short as shoulders due to short man disease. I`m guessing his penis is small, too. But I`m willing to discuss that Martin *may* have doubled back. I`m willing to accept that Z. may not be required by law to serve any time. And you aren`t even willing to acknowledge that M. *might* not have been going they way this article *assumes* he was?! Wow.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:14 pm
    @yackedyyack: Why is it important? I`ll tell you:
    #1: The MSM and the liberals have accused Z of "stalking" M, claiming it as `proof` of his guilt. IF (according to this theory) this is not true, if Z in fact went back to his car and M accosted him?
    #2: Much has been made of M `being scared` of Z. However, if Z was no longer following M, why on earth didn`t M go home? It was 70 yards away!
    #3: Z`s story from the start is that M attacked him. If M backtracked with the intent to confront Z, it seems MORE likely that M was also willing to attack Z doesn`t it?
    A "frightened child" doesn`t double back to confront "a big adult".
    But someone with a chip on his shoulder does...
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:16 pm
    I love you 5cats
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:18 pm
    SmagBoy1, I really don`t think it`s a valid argument to say that Trayvon might have been heading somewhere else or whatever. It`s pretty clear that he was going home considering he was watching his sibling if I recall correctly and just went to the store for some snacks. It is likely that the reason he didn`t go straight home was because he didn`t want Zimmerman knowing where he lived (like yackedyyack said and like I said 2-3 weeks ago).
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:19 pm
    5Cats, if he was going straight home, he didn`t double back. So, clearly he *could* be made to not go straight home. Mighty convenient that the only thing that *would* cause that would be some entirely innocent, armed man.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:19 pm
    @SmagBoy: He left the house during half-time of the NBA All Star Game to get a soda & some candy for his "brother".
    Where else would he be going after aquiring them?
    YOU are the ONLY person even suggesting that M wasn`t `going straight home`.
    Your examples are stupid.
    Do better and perhaps I`ll pay some attention to this "theory" of yours...
    I`m guessing his penis is small, too.
    And you expect me to take you seriously? drat that!

    @Eddy666: In that `manly way` of course ;-)
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:22 pm
    LillianDulci, I`m with you. I understand. I was simply pointing out that this "analysis", while full of all sorts of "facts", relies on supposition. I`m not saying it`s valid, either, but, then again, I also don`t believe Martin doubled back just to pick a fight with a man who hadn`t bothered him. I`m guessing Zimmerman did, in fact, bother him pretty considerably and that the two did go at it. In that fight, Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed kid and the Rightstream media and all conservatives think that`s allowable (I don`t really believe that, but, I`m just parroting some people here..). Anyway, I understand and I`ll quit being a butthole about this. Just seems to me that I`ve tried to allow for some middle ground here and even *that`s* not good enough.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    It`s not self defense if you initiate the contact. Z could have easily stayed in his truck, issue over. Could have easily deescalated the situation. Even if he `suspected` M of being someone that would break into places, this guy walked up in full view and you have a very good description of who he is.

    Sure, M could have easily walked away himself and went home, but he didn`t, and got killed for seeing and then confronting someone following him.

    In the end, Z was informed to not follow M by dispatchers, Z ignored order and shot one individual, that`s all you need to know, the rest is speculation on the actions of each other.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    The sad thing is, is that no one will agree that justice was served for this, and Z will probably have a rough time in the near future because of this, regardless of a verdict, charges, etc.
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    yackedyyack Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    @ 5Cats Why can`t M accost Z about following? How is that incriminating?

    Why does he have to go home? Why is it incriminating that he doesn`t. What if he wasn`t scared. I don`t care what he felt, just what he did.

    Why does Z run after him after being confronted in the car? What is you reasoning for that? Why does he chase after a child that is running away from him?
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    Ant0n Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 5:50 pm
    @SmagBoy1
    "And, I`ll bet that had a black man shot and killed a white kid, the entire reaction, across the spectrum, would be different. Law should be color blind."

    But that`s exactly the point of this whole mess. The law WAS color blind, as far as the cops were concerned, it was a clear case of self defense, so they had no reason to throw Z in jail, but that doesn`t mean that he was innocent or that the case was closed. If they were to find more evidence supporting that there was more than just self defense to this case, they would have take Z into custody immediately.

    The "racism" started when media and people like Al Sharpton got their greedy hands into this case and started spouting BS about how Z was "white" and it was a race hate crime. If Z was black or M was white, no one would have even heard about any of this.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2012 at 6:10 pm
    @Sephiroth: Did you even GLANCE at the article? The way you ignore the few facts which are known about this case is... disturbing.

    @yackedyyack: But the whole point is that Zimmerman DID nothing wrong! HE stopped when the 911 guy told him to! HE didn`t confront anyone. HE was attacked by M.

    How do we know the last bit? We don`t for a fact. BUT the fact that M could have gotten home easily and without Z`s knowing where he lived says something, doesn`t it? WHY didn`t M go home? WHY did he double back and confront Z for a second time? (He`d already "checked Z out" for minute & a half, it`s on the 911 tape).

    DeeDee`s testamony makes little sense unless M doubled back. Then it corraborates what Z said: that M came up to him. She already said that M spoke first to Z.

    @Ant0n: I`m glad you "get it"!
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    Too little... Too late...
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 6:27 pm
    If 5Cats is using this as reference you know what side this white bread is being buttered.
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    GlockPants Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm
    I`m finding 4Cats very agreeable.

    I personally believe that Z. is not guilty of murder 2 from the information I`ve been presented with since the incident. But I guess we`ll see what the courts decide.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 7:00 pm
    Maybe that Hispanic American will magically revert back from being a "Pussy-ass Cracker" once this is all over!

    P.S. markust123 - with comments like that, it`s a `Wonder` you can accuse others of race-baiting! ;-)
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    It`s called a sense of humor Suicism. You might look into getting one.
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    thelonious Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 7:24 pm
    So the trial is to decide if Zimmerman is a white dude or a Hispanic? I`m betting they rule Hispanic.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    Okay, the real question is, has anyone tried Skittles and Iced Tea together? That sounds like a really gross combination.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 8:08 pm
    This account seems to explain a few things in an instructive way. Especially the fact that Martin didn`t feel threatened he felt mad about being followed, which goes to motive.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    "Especially the fact that Martin didn`t feel threatened he felt mad about being followed, which goes to motive."
    Martin isn`t on trial and motive his is irrelevant. His actions are a question that only Zimmerman knows and it`s up to a really good attorney to make Zimmerman believable to a jury.

    Zimmerman is going to jail. One way or another, because of the media storm, he`s had it. It`s not about Justice, Right, Wrong, Crime or Self Defense. It`s about apeasing a screaming crowd and apeasing the media.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    So the trial is to decide if Zimmerman is a white dude or a Hispanic? I`m betting they rule Hispanic. - @thelonious
    See @markust? We "Zimmerman supporters" DO have a sense of humour! Personally, I think a jury of 12 Floridians will find that Zimmerman is Chinese...

    Martin isn`t on trial and motive his is irrelevant.
    Nope! @Gerry1, IF Martin attacked Z (as the defense will no doubt attest) they MUST provide some sort of motivation for M`s behaviour! Or else the jury won`t believe it. It doesn`t have to be "proven" but it needs to be believable.
    The double-back theory? STRONGLY supports M having motive to confront Z.

    It`s about apeasing a screaming crowd
    You got that right! A screaming crowd whipped into a frenzy by LIBERALS and the MSM (but I repeat myself...)
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:20 pm
    IF (according to this theory) this is not true, if Z in fact went back to his car and M accosted him?
    Then Z missed a perfect opportunity to defuse the situation by saying "Yeah, do you need something around here? I`m the watch captain."

    But instead he just acts like nothing`s going on.

    And then, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT MARTIN WAS NOT OKAY WITH BEING FOLLOWED, he followed him AGAIN. Sounds like stalker-ish behavior to me, no matter the intentions, and I would be creeped the hell out.

    However, if Z was no longer following M, why on earth didn`t M go home?
    Wild guessing here, but maybe, JUST MAYBE, M didn`t want this guy that was displaying classic stalker behavior to know where he lived.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    If M backtracked with the intent to confront Z, it seems MORE likely that M was also willing to attack Z doesn`t it?
    After being followed TWICE by someone who said they "weren`t following you?" I`m sure you`d be irritated too.

    Maybe M asked him, again, "Why are you following me?" and Z brushed him off, again, which made M even more frustrated, especially with this creepy stalker within vision range of his door.

    Hell, you want to make M out to be some kind of gangster, maybe he was trying to avoid someone he suspected was from a rival gang finding out where he was staying.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 9:32 pm
    OH, OH, and THEN!!!

    M put his hand over Z`s mouth.

    So what you`re trying to tell me is, with a hand over his mouth and his head being bashed into the ground repeatedly, Z was the one we could clearly hear yelling for help?
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    thelonious Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 10:28 pm
    I like these threads, because everyone is so full of the truth it makes it ok that they are arseholes too.
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    WeePee Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2012 at 10:38 pm
    he will be found innocent, because he is not guilty of 2nd degree murder. that charge is just a joke.
    this case holds about as much water as Bill Gambini`s back in 1992, but this time Marisa Tomei`s testimony won`t even be needed.

    and Gerry1of1, if you think just the media will cause a guilty verdict, then i guess you missed the entire Casey Anthony case.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2012 at 10:52 pm
    Altaru: As far as I know no one is claiming M had his hand over Z`s mouth the whole time. It`s likely M was trying to stop Z for crying out for help.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2012 at 11:09 pm
    Sorry for the repost, but I gotta say this here too.

    This is where the bait and switch happens people.

    The Media will now begin to support Zimmerman, to whip Sharpton and the biased mob into a frenzy again.

    Once the trial begins however, the double flip occurs, and they begin to support Martin`s side, and start to vilify Zimmerman again....

    ....and you will watch it. I will watch it. We will watch the ads. We will buy the products in the ads. The networks win again.
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    andynaylor Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2012 at 2:52 am
    OMG... the fact that people still care so much about this single unimportant case is ridiculous. Since this occurred hundreds, if not thousands of murders have taken place world wide but noone is mentioning any of them!
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    Burton_Ian Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2012 at 5:56 am
    That is from a website: (www.Wagist.com) that has nothing but pro-Zimmerman or anti-Trayvon stories.... So that seems a tad suspect?

    Don`tcha think now?
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    chrn368 Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2012 at 8:18 am
    Well seeing as how they just released the photos of Zimmerman right after the shooting and he`s bleeding A LOT from the back of his head (indicating Martin was in fact bashing his skull against the concrete) and the fact that Martin had no marks on him besides the gunshot wound, means Zimmerman is innocent. Those cries for help were very much most likely from him.
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    chrn368 Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2012 at 8:25 am
    Also it`s worth mentioning that in the first 911 call that Zimmerman makes if you listen closely he says something like "I`m back inside" and you can hear his truck door. This occurs AFTER the 911 dispatcher told him to stop pursuing and means he did. Which means that Martin came back and most likely attacked him, which would make this self defense.
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    Burgh Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2012 at 11:05 am
    The court of the internet is now in session! All will rise sit or lie down as they please. No swearing in just swear a bit. The outcome of this case will be decided not on facts but emotion and who can generate the best or worst drama. Random acts of burning and/or looting will also be allowed at the outcome no matter the verdict reached.
    The prosecution and defense may now consult their tarot cards.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 21, 2012 at 11:51 am



    Yes @andynaylor: It IS tragic that the MSM ignores hundreds of deaths but goes bananas over a select few. What`s even worse is race-haters like Jackson and Sharpton making big $$ off it.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    April 21, 2012 at 4:41 pm
    The media turned this into a circus and now all the clowns are competing for attention.
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    thelonious Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2012 at 8:05 pm
    The media is the circus. And the ticket seller.
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    drips Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2012 at 7:27 am
    If you walk around with a loaded gun, you are prepared to shoot someone dead. Zimmerman had to have accepted that his vigilanteism may result in a person being killed by his hand.

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