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205 Responses to ABC News: Enhanced Video Shows Possible Head Wound

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 5:43 pm
    Link: ABC News: Enhanced Video Shows Possible Head Wound - Without a logo over Zimmerman`s head: he`s clearly injured.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 5:47 pm
    if this thing ever does go to court, is there anyway he can get a fair trial?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    HERE is the article

    LOOK FOR YOURSELF! The other (@madest) video had a LOGO OVER THE WOUND so you could not see it!

    This, coupled with the MSM "whitening" Mr Zimmerman`s picture, coupled with showing ONLY pictures of 14 year-old Trayvon, coupled with EDITING the 911 calls, coupled with Zimmerman weighes 170 NOT 250?
    MSM has an agenda and facts are not required.
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    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:06 pm
    This is ridiculous, we all need to let this story die and let the legal system do its thing.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:09 pm
    OK @wake_N_Bake! Now that the FACTS come out, you`re quite willing to "let it die" eh?

    All of a sudden, you think the "system" should have the final word?

    The "system" has already spoken! Mr.Zimmerman did NOT commit a crime that night! THAT is what the "justice system" says, not me!

    I expect lots more of this hypocricy from "trayvonites" here...
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    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:13 pm
    I don`t know where you`re getting the "all of a sudden" part five cats, because I`ve never been the one stoking flame wars or submitting related material. I`ve just popped my head in here and there to leave my two cents.

    At the end of the day a 17 year old kid is dead, and this Zimmerman guy will never get to lead a normal life, whether he goes to trial or not. I think it`s kind of disgraceful we`ve given this incident so much attention, regardless of the outcome.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:13 pm
    Um hate to inform you 5Cats but I never filmed Zimmerman.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:15 pm
    I don`t think the facts matter anymore.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:15 pm
    @madest: Tucked into his pants?
    Where do I say YOU filmed it? YOU suggested it bro. Own up, man up! Can`t? Not surprised in the least.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:17 pm
    I am unimpressed that he sustained injuries- you chase a guy- who`s done no wrong- at night, then confront him while armed, ya oughta get yer ass kicked.
    The man followed, chased then confronted a kid, then shot him dead- and he claims self defense? I don`t think so.
    It matters not one whit either of their backgrounds or previous acts- they did not know each other, or know anything about each other.
    The man killed him, plain and simple. He should go to jail.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:18 pm
    Yeah, its a big MSM conspiracy! (and not just a bunch of bottom-feeder networks pandering to the lowest common denominator in an effort to scoop up an extra 3/10`s of a rating point so they can up their ad revenue... nope, nothing like that.)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:18 pm
    Well @wake_n_bake, I seem to recall yo being on the "hang Zimmerman" side, but if you weren`t I apologise, ok?

    I speak generally: those who were ready to hang Zimmerman are suddenly demanding silence as the "facts" come out? Sickening, but entirely expected. See: @madest for a prime example...
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    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:21 pm
    I personally think he`s guilty of at least manslaughter, from what I know. That`s my opinion, but I`m not judge and jury. I think Chalket hit it on the head. This whole incidence has degraded to news stations trying to profit from a horrible incident as much as they can, on both sides of the argument.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    This doesn`t really change much. The problem is still the law. You can`t allow someone to shoot an unarmed person and claim that it was self-defense just because there weren`t any eyewitnesses. That would mean the benefit of the doubt would go to the shooter in many other situations.

    There was a story a couple of days ago that interviewed two separate audio analysts who said the screaming on the 911 call was definitely not coming from Zimmerman, for what it`s worth.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    "This whole incidence has degraded to news stations trying to profit from a horrible incident as much as they can, on both sides of the argument."

    exactly, and the media should be held responsible for the inevitable violence that is going to come from this.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    It`s sort of what I do. Post the links when I find them. That was the one available. What`s your point? I conspired with ABC to cover up a dent in the retards head to make a point to you? You`re insane. He still looks fine to me, certainly didn`t break his nose. That makes a mess.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:31 pm
    It`s sort of what I do.
    RETARD! That`s also "what you do" isn`t it?
    Doubling down on teh stupid @madest how... entirely predictable! lolz!

    I conspired with ABC to cover up a dent in the retards head
    OH TEH STUPID! IT BURNS! lmao! @madest, quote me as saying that or... STFU! Troll!
    And notice? he calls Zimmerman a "retard"? Par for the @madest course.
    You know @madest, @PMarren got banhammered for constantly saying "cats suck". And YOU CONSTANTLY use "retard" in a derogartory fashion. Humm....

    He still looks fine to me,
    Obvious head ounds? Nope! Not for @madest!
    Rose coloured glasses?
    Marijuahana haze?
    Liberal blindness?

    Who can say?


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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:36 pm
    for what it`s worth
    @FoolsPrussia: I saw that too, and they called it "inconclusive" which is NOT the same as "Trayvon is screaming" ok? Different.
    PLUS: their "experts lacked even the most BASIC comparison elements, it was a sham from start to finish.

    on both sides of the argument.

    @Wake_N-Bake: ALL the lies are coming from ONE side, not the other. Open your eyes and look man!
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    Keyh Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:38 pm
    "This doesn`t really change much. The problem is still the law. You can`t allow someone to shoot an unarmed person and claim that it was self-defense just because there weren`t any eyewitnesses. That would mean the benefit of the doubt would go to the shooter in many other situations."

    Do the words "Guilty until proven Innocent" ring a bell?

    If there are no witnesses, then you have to come up with motive. What reason would Zimmerman shoot Trayvon if not self defense? And what proof do you have of that motive that outweighs the fact that Zimmerman was injured?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:41 pm
    @davymid: where`s your picture?

    @Keyh: oh no! Whites are ALWAYS guilty, even if they`re "innocent" eh? Sarc!

    There are witnesses, and ALL of them, even the one who the "trayvonites" claim disputes Zimmerman`s account (but she doesn`t, she didn`t see them fighting, only AFTER the shot was fired, by her own account) support Zimmerman`s story.

    And the MSM? Their countless bigotry, bias and lies are telling of their utter untrustwrothyness.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    What is the point of this info?
    He said he had a head wound.
    The cops said he had a head wound.
    The paramedics treated a head wound.

    When was this in doubt?

    Once again the news is manufacturing the news, not reporting it.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    When was this in doubt?
    @Gerry1: @madest, and all the "hang Zimmerman" crowd, that`s who! Also the MSM, president Obama and leftists across the globe.

    NEWS! NEWS!

    Our very own IAB reporter: @madest! Has found something entirely new in the Martin/Zimmerman case!
    @madest " Zimmerman is retarded!"
    WOW! What a blockbuster!
    Because he is white? No... he`s hispanic.
    Because he is Republican? No... he`s a registered Democrat.
    Because... because... BECAUSE MADEST SAYS SO!
    ffs.
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    Lebowski42 Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    All I can think of is super troopers
    Enhance (pretends to type) Enhance (pretends to type) Just print the damn thing!
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:03 pm
    Well, I guess I have to eat crow. I can`t shake off all of my skepticism about the head wound because I`m not understanding why, if there was indeed a head wound, the paramedics didn`t bandage it. But I`ll put that stubbornness aside and state that I was wrong on this one.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:18 pm
    tryvon must have a real badass to this guy with his gun.... doesn`t change anything. zimmerman went hunting for a 17 year old with a gun... and KILLED him....
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    Don`t feel bad @squirrelz! Friends and family HAVE reported Zimmerman being wounded, bandaged and treated by doctors the following day.
    Completely ignored by the MSM of course!

    One friend recalls Z going to the doctor the next day and getting stitches and extensive bandaging. Easy to verify... but did the MSM check it out? NOPE!

    I`ve offered several suggetions which strongly support Zimmerman`s case. IDK if AIB will show them, I`m happy they showed this one!

    NOTE: not "prove" his case, idk if he`s innocent or guilty, but evidence? That`s what counts. That the MSM has deliberatly ALTERED the evidence? That`s a fact!

    Ehy! @mervviscious: How much did Zimmerman weigh on that night? 250? Guess again...
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:25 pm
    @5Cats: Well, thanks. One thing`s for sure: This story has more twists and turns than a work of fiction. Seems like every five days, some new information comes out that puts everything in a new light, one way or the other.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:32 pm
    He obviously did that to himself, what a bastard.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:38 pm
    lololololololol Trayvon frucked him up...
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:40 pm
    If the wound is as big as it appears to be, then I don`t see any way the prosecution is going to get anything unless they can prove that T-Thugz stopped slappin the hoe before Z-booty capped his ass.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:41 pm
    Anyone else following the Kendrec McDade case here in LA? Someone falsely (possibly lied) reported McDade, a black teen, as being a robbery suspect and having a gun on him. The police killed him. The police were going to prosecute the caller as responsible for McDade`s death but they just announced that they won`t.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:42 pm
    If it turns out that Zimmerman is innocent, and the shooting was justified self-defense (which, as the facts are trickling out, is looking more like the case), he should have grounds to sue every liberal news outlet as well as Al Sharpton and a large number of congressional representatives for slander. He could come out of this a very, VERY wealthy man.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:45 pm
    I sure hope so @OldOllie! But the lawyers will take their pound of flesh first, and it could take a decade, easily...

    I`d wager, right this minute, that the only person who wishes Trayvon were still alive more than Zimmerman is Tracey (Trayvon`s father).
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:48 pm
    @OldOllie
    Yea, I almost hope he`s guilty just so that I can sleep believing that we don`t live in a world where an innocent`s man`s entire life was ruined because the media and racist extremists love to play the victims. The sad thing is that this man might already be haunted by the fact that he killed a guy, the last thing I would want is to not be able to turn on the TV without your actions being damned every minute.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:51 pm
    OldOllie: I see your bet and I raise you THIS. Do we have proof that Zimmerman EVER actually IDENTIFIED himself to Trayvon?
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    @collegebound Doesn`t matter, if evidence suggests that T-Thugs started pounding on Z-booty first(assuming Z-booty didn`t pull out the heat until after the fight broke out), then what happened up until the fight is irrelevant in regards to the self defense case.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    @collegebound: are you implying that Americans have NO RIGHT to ask "what are you doing here"?
    I`ve been impressed by your intelligent posts lately, but this? Uhg!

    He (Zimmerman) is a member of Neighborhood Watch, period! He (Z) is a free American citizen, period!
    Unless you want to change the `rules` after the `game` is over, deal with facts, ok?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 7:59 pm
    "the shooting was justified self-defense (which, as the facts are trickling out, is looking more like the case)"

    Sorry, I fail to see how that`s the case. If you`re in a fist fight with an unarmed person, and you`re losing the fight, pulling out your gun and shooting your unarmed opponent is never the answer. The law is wrong to give the benefit of the doubt to the shooter in this case.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:00 pm
    @FoolsPrussia: Law > emotion
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    Since when did "Neighbourhood Watch" become "Neighbourhood Accost Suspicious Looking People With A Gun"?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:06 pm
    @Draculya: Every person has a right to ask questions of another.
    Agree or not?
    Rights are not compromised by the colour of one`s skin.
    Agree or not.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:06 pm
    5Cats: that "Neighborhood Watch" isn`t even registered...and when he was asked to identify himself (after and/or before being told by the police to NOT pursue Trayvon) he should have. that automatically makes Trayvon kicking the poo out of Zimmerman Self Defence. I`m not saying that Z had no right to ask T what he was doing there as a concerned citizen. im saying that when asked to identify yourself and you dont respond that makes YOU the offender. at least thats what cops keet telling ME.

    Trayvon asked Z more than once "Who are you?" and never got an answer. he felt threatened and kicked Z`s ass. Z got butt hurt and killed T. thats all there is to it.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    5Cats: Can`t help but notice you deflected Draculya`s question also :)
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:13 pm
    @FoolsPrussia
    Z-booty appears to have a good bit of damage to his head. Last I checked, the head contains one of the most vital body organs. If Z-booty was taking continuous blows to the head, then his action WAS self-defense.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:13 pm
    @Collegebound: But Z IS a member of the NW, agreed? There were NW signs up and such, agreed? Is there a LAW which says they must be "registered"? Show me it.

    Asking "What are you doing here" is justification for BEATING? WTF?

    Face facts: the MSM lied to you, you believed it, and now the facts are proving you wrong.
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    faaaaq Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:14 pm
    am i the only one who thinks that is clearly doctored footage? when they PLAY the video, there is no injury, and then they put the freeze-frame up thats "enhanced" (such a fitting word, actually ;) ) and magically there is an injury that doesnt quite fit with the rest of the image? i call BS!
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:15 pm
    ivran: allow me to quote myself...

    "he was asked to identify himself (after and/or before being told by the police to NOT pursue Trayvon) he should have. that automatically makes Trayvon kicking the poo out of Zimmerman Self Defence."
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:15 pm
    @collegebound
    It doesn`t matter if T-Thugs was beating him out of self defense(Which, if Z-booty did not have his gun drawn and made no physical contact OR physical threat, then what T-thugz did WASN`T self defense!) or not. The case is questioning ZIMMERMAN`s(not Trayvon`s) claim of self-defense.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:16 pm
    If you`re in a fist fight with an unarmed person, and you`re losing the fight, pulling out your gun and shooting your unarmed opponent is never the answer.

    Why not? A person can kill another person without using a weapon, so "unarmed" does not mean "not a threat". Even a small person can kill without a weapon (check out Nancy Wake for a famous example).
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:17 pm
    @faaaaq I believe what`s going on is that they are using some tool to enhance the original footage(which the footage itself was too low of quality to notice anything). Also, I don`t think ABC would doctor the footage in this way. If it were FOX news it would have been a little fishy.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:18 pm
    5Cats: Touche. i guess my only real argument about his little club was that it isnt even official...

    "Asking "What are you doing here" is justification for BEATING? WTF?"

    not at all. asking "What are you doing here?" after being asked numerous times "Who are you?" is, apparently by law, justification for a beating. the fact is he thought i could take on a little kid. he couldn`t. end of story.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:20 pm
    5Cats: Can`t help but notice you deflected Draculya`s question also :)
    LMAO! Oh dear, if you insist!

    @Draculya:
    If someone belonging to Neighborhood Watch sees some "Suspicious Looking People With A Gun" it is his/her duty to report those person(s).
    Now, it that "suspicious" person(s) HAS A GUN then it behooves the NW member to IMMEDIATLY report the suspicious armed person and try to avoid being shot!
    "Suspicious Looking People With A Gun", in my mind, should NOT be prowling about in my neighborhood! YOU can invite them over, please!

    Remember, @collegebound asked for this!
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:20 pm
    @collegebound
    That`s not the end of the story. That`s not even the right story. There is ZERO evidence of Zimmerman intentionally starting a fight with Treyvon. Also, the story ends with T-thugz getting his ass capped, so that expression doesn`t even make sense. :(
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:20 pm
    ivran: Z was asked to identify himself numerous times. he failed, numerous times might i add. T was in the right for self defence the moment Z stepped out of his truck and approached him.

    i argue with 5Cats and CrakrJak for breakfast...don`t do this to yourself...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:22 pm
    @collegebound: How much did Zimmerman weigh on that day?
    Martin: 6`2, 160
    Zimmerman: 5`9, ???

    Hint: the New York Times listed his current weight the other day...
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:22 pm
    "Can`t help but notice you deflected Draculya`s question also :)"

    It`s better to ignore him. If he doesn`t understand what you`re saying or can`t think of a valid argument(which is what usually happens) he`ll either a)Talk about how it`s America`s fault and how much America sucks, b)Talk about how it is guns` fault and how much guns suck, c)Talk about how much better his country is than every other country
    And he`ll do all of these things using extremely vague and simple statements.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:23 pm
    ivran: Z was asked to identify himself numerous times. he failed,
    Proof?
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:24 pm
    @collegebound
    a)That`s not how self-defense works.
    b)That still doesn`t nullify Z`s claims to self-defense.
    Stop embarrassing yourself with the arrogant claims.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:24 pm
    5Cats: your response to Draculya`s post only proves the fact that once Z had reported T as a "prowler" then he should have followed orders from the PROPER authorities and went on home.

    besides all he did was go to the store...its a gated community...that is almost like saying crime doesn`t exist there...
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    The fact remains that if the racial identities had been reversed, nobody outside Miami would even know the names Zimmerman or Trayvon.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    @collegebound
    There is no legal obligations to obey the 911 dispatcher. That argument is currently irrelevant without further evidence suggesting a motive for murder, and I live in a "gated community" - a few years ago a guy got beat to death in his own apartment and the killer put the body in a wheelbarrow and closed him in his room.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:28 pm
    5Cats: "Proof?" the phone call he was having with his girlfriend the night he was shot :D

    @collegebound
    "a)That`s not how self-defense works.
    b)That still doesn`t nullify Z`s claims to self-defense.
    Stop embarrassing yourself with the arrogant claims."

    1) that IS how self defense works :| why do you think nobody else has brought that up yet? people love controversy...thats just how sick and twisted we are.

    2) Z shot him after getting his ass beat...the key word being AFTER...how that for nullifying things?
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    @collegebound
    By your logic, or rather, lack of logic, if I get out of my car and walk towards you, for any reason, you can just beat the poo out of me? I think not. Also, we do not know that it was AFTER. In fact, the current claims suggest that it was during, which is where the self defense case comes from.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    its a gated community...that is almost like saying crime doesn`t exist there...
    Wait, what? There was LOTS of crime there! Facts > feelings.
    The "gate" is open, look at the pictures!

    "Proper authorities" have sway over individual rights? THINK man! Where did Zimmerman outstep his rights as an American Citizen?
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    ivran: you got me there. there ARENT any legal obligations...guess that means there should be. Z "motive" was that he got his ass kicked by a child.

    also i said it was ALMOST like crime didn`t exist there. no select community is immune from crime.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    @collegebound You can`t form a logically valid argument with wild assumptions. In fact the sentence, "Z "motive" was that he got his ass kicked by a child" just about discredits anything you say from this point. Also, the fact that you think that a 911 dispatcher should be in control of an individual`s actions is just about as dumb as the poo that drac says.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:34 pm
    @collegebound: According to the GirlFrind:
    Martin spoke first
    Zimmerman asked a perfectly reasonable question.

    ok? Get it?

    NOT "asked over and over" that is fantasy.
    Fiction actually...
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:35 pm
    ivran: Z was fighting. Z lost the fight. Z never had the chance during said fight to actually pull his gun. AFTER the fight he did. he shot T.

    my logic says that if you get out of your car and start following me im going to ask who are you and what do you want. my logic continues to state that if you do not reply within a reasonable amount of time and you continue to approach me then yes, i WILL beat the poo out of you.

    5Cats: Technically, Z NEVER outstepped his rights as an U.S. Citizen until he shot Trayvon when the fight was already over. simply holding him at gun point would have been enough.
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:36 pm
    Z shot him after getting his ass beat...
    Nooo, WHILE getting his "ass beat". THAT is the very DEFINITION of "self defense" ok?
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:38 pm
    until he shot Trayvon when the fight was already over
    Awaiting your evidence...
    But wait! There`s 911 recordings PROVING that someone was yealling for help right up to the instant the shot was fired!
    Disregardless of WHO was yelling, there is NO TIME LAG between the beating and the shot. It`s a FACT!
  71. Profile photo of collegebound
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:41 pm
    5Cats: yes he did. and if I were T i would have answered just to avoid a confrontation. but im not T. and that isn`t what happened.

    ivran: ya see there is this thing called "Spite". also if Z had went on ahead and just listened to the dispatcher they would have PROPERLY just done an investigation around the neighborhood and NO ONE would have died.
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:46 pm
    5Cats: having not actually been there i guess the only thing i can do is conceed defeat to you and say that, no, i guess there ISNT really a way to prove how the gun got fired. unless there was an eye witness (not saying there is, just saying that unless there was.)

    Well played 5Cats! ive had my brain teaser for today. going to bed.
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:46 pm
    @collegebound You have no evidence. I sure as hell hope you don`t plan on being a lawyer.
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:46 pm
    If you are following someone it is hardly self defense. It`s not that difficult of a concept.
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:47 pm
    ivran: same goes for you.

    middlewaytao: THANK YOU!
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:48 pm
    @middlewaytao
    So if I follow you and you get mad and run at me with a knife, I just have to let you stab me to death because following someone is punishable by death?
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:48 pm
    So @collegebound (and ALL the IABers) the case is this:
    Zimmerman didn`t "obey" an order he had every right to NOT obey.
    He asked a question he had every right to ask.
    Martin attacked him, even though Martin had NO right to do so.
    Therefor: Zimmerman is guilty and Martin is innocent.

    Got it? Yeah.

    You got proof otherwise? Lets see it.

    @middlewaytao: Following someone? THAT excludes you from your human rights? gtfo!
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:48 pm
    @collegebound I do have evidence. There was an eye witness report AND Zimmerman`s claims.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:49 pm
    @collegebound Also, I`m not the one who needs proof. You are. You`re the one trying to accuse Zimmerman. The burden of proof is on you, silly goose.
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:52 pm
    ivran: i wasnt talking about any amount of evidence you had. i was saying i hope you dont become a lawyer either. i could have made that more clear so ill let that slide.

    looks like you guys still don`t understand that regardless of who asked what first T still asked Z for identification. and they BOTH should have ANSWERED EACH OTHER.

    like i said im done arguing this with others. any future submissions about this case i will post my opinion and any bashing i receive then oh well...i wont be responding to any of it anymore. this whole thing is FUBAR...
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:53 pm
    ivran: I`m the only one trying to accuse Z? have you not been watching the news? thats all i have to say about that...
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:54 pm
    The kid was trying to go his own way. Zimmerman had no authority. The police were on their way, he did what he could do. To bad the kid was not old enough for a gun because according to this absurdly written wing-nut law he had more right to defend himself, he tried to leave the situation. The real issue here is if it is self-defense that is something brought up in court, not a judgement call decided by the police within hours of the situation, and little to no investigation.

    @middlewaytao
    So if I follow you and you get mad and run at me with a knife, I just have to let you stab me to death because following someone is punishable by death?
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    @collegebound You`re not responding to it because you don`t know how to validate your assertions and form effective arguments. Just concede and accept. Ignoring what others say is a little childish. Every single argument, statement, and "opinion" you have made has no bearing on the Z`s claims of self defense in light of the current information we have.
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:56 pm
    @collegebound
    No, I avoid the televised news, it`s all unimportant and flame-baiting garbage, and the people accusing Z on the news are mostly either racist or after money.
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    middlewaytao Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:57 pm
    Following someone invalidates their rights?

    @middlewaytao: Following someone? THAT excludes you from your human rights? gtfo!

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    April 2, 2012 at 8:57 pm
    @middlewaytao How is beating a man "going his own way"?
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    ivran: almost EVERYTHING that i`ve read from you, just now then, has become invalid.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    @middlewaytao
    "Following someone invalidates their rights?"
    That IS the claim you have been making.
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    T still asked Z for identification.
    NEVER have I come across this. Proof or GTFO!

    Seriously, that`s just plain silly! "Hey where`s your neighborhoodwatch ID?" from someone calling themself "no_limit_nigga"?

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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:59 pm
    ivran: if you watched the news you would know that T was trying to leave the situation alone before it evolved into a physical confrontation in the first place...
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:59 pm
    @collegebound
    How so? I get my news from published newspapers, and several online news sources, and I JUST get information. Not some botox-infested poohead`s opinion.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 8:59 pm
    @collegebound No he wasn`t. There is NO evidence that supports that assertion. THAT is why I do not watch the television news.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:01 pm
    you guys are making it hard for me to just ignore you D:

    5Cats: i never said that he needed any special identification. and im sure T would not have cared. its the fact that Z ignored him and followed him anyway. what are you going to do if i start following you and you ask me who i am and what do i want? then what if i dont answer you? id be ready for a fight...
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    T was trying to leave the situation
    PROOF! Or gtfo!
    Because, by Law, you need PROOF to convict someone!
    So provide proof for these AMAZING claims of yours!
    Or gtfo...
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    what paper is that? its fact that and is even the basis of 5Cats argument that T ignored Z and kept walking. and while he was on the phone with his girlfriend she told him to run and he didn`t because he didnt feel he should have had to.
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    He wasnt part of any official neighborhood watch. Even if he was all that he is supposed to do in that capacity is call the police, not follow people around and confront them with a concealed weapon. Then, when his false courage is challenged, use that weapon.

    Seriously, that`s just plain silly! "Hey where`s your neighborhoodwatch ID?" from someone calling themself "no_limit_nigga"?
  97. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    "id be ready for a fight..." There`s a difference between being ready and starting a fight.
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    middlewaytao Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    It`s a dead 17yo kid, shot in his own neighborhood.

    5cats PROOF! Or gtfo!
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    Gerry: When was this in doubt? (A couple pages back)

    I saw an interview from one of Trayvon`s family lawyers claim that the police and paramedics were completely fabricated.
    This should end that... Okay, who am I kidding? No I won`t.
  100. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    @middlewaytao You can confront anyone you want to. T could have called the police as well if he felt uncomfortable, but what he do? He started pounding the poo out of Z.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    What would I do?
    @collegebound, even you must know that has NOTHING to do with this case.
    I am not Martin.
    I am not Zimmerman.
    I`d answer the questions, explain that I`m staying 75 feet from here, offer to walk Zimmerman back to my "house" to prove it.
    THAT is what I`d do.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    I don`t really wanna get into this again, buuut just fyi someone asserting that they were acting in self defense has to prove it was self defense. It`s similar to if someone says they acted out of insanity or because they have mental disorders or whatever, they have to prove that. So it is still up to Zimmerman to prove he was acting in self defense, once he gets an actual trial.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    ivran: deflecting.
  104. Profile photo of collegebound
    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    5Cats: right. sorry for that waste of time then :|
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:07 pm
    @collegebound What do you feel I am deflecting? Just ask me again. I`ll be more than happy to answer it, although I doubt you`ll listen.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:09 pm
    ivran: i asked "what paper is that? its fact that and is even the basis of 5Cats argument that T ignored Z and kept walking. and while he was on the phone with his girlfriend she told him to run and he didn`t because he didnt feel he should have had to."

    to which you responded " `id be ready for a fight...` There`s a difference between being ready and starting a fight."
  107. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:09 pm
    @LillianDulci
    I actually don`t think it`s up to him to prove self-defense if they are charging him with murder(Due to the fact that they have to prove a motive). Manslaughter it might be up to him, but I am not sure.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:09 pm
    T ignored Z and kept walking.
    @midleway is offocally a troll...
    @CollegeBound: Where is your evidence of this?>
    The GF says: Martin spoke FIRST!
    How then could M "ignore" Z`s speaking? And still "speak first"? It`s simply impossible.
    Of ALL the weird, odd or unknown facts in this case, this is the LEAST valid amoung them, ok?
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:11 pm
    @collegebound
    The paper I read is irrelevant to the current topic of discussion, but I usually read whatever I find laying around(that is, when I do actually have free time), which tends to be either a local paper of the new york times or something.
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    OpsAss13 Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:11 pm
    I do not understand why everyone keeps saying that he refused an order from the 911 dispatcher. The dispatcher told Z that he didn`t need to follow him. It was a suggestion NOT an order.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:11 pm
    5Cats: he could have easily asked Z what he wanted and when Z ignored him he ignored Z. I would have done the same.
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:12 pm
    has to prove it was self defense
    Noooo, @LilianDulci: the WHOLE POINT of the "castle docrtine" is that the burden of proof is on the ACCUSER!
    LOOKITUP! goddamit!
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:12 pm
    @ivran @middlewaytao You can confront anyone you want to. T could have called the police as well if he felt uncomfortable, but what he do? He started pounding the poo out of Z.

    You can ask, but you don`t deserve an answer, either. He had no authority.
    You don`t know who started the physical confrontation any more than I do. We do know one followed the other with a pistol after he walked away and is now dead. For all we know he got hit once and dropped like a rock, probably why he carries.
  114. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    @5Cats This law isn`t the castle doctrine, it`s "stand your ground". I don`t know if this makes a difference though.
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    ajd121 Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    @collegebound "Trayvon asked Z more than once "Who are you?" and never got an answer. he felt threatened and kicked Z`s ass. Z got butt hurt and killed T. thats all there is to it."

    Yes because when someone doesn`t answer a question the logical response is to punch them in the face and slam their head into the ground...
  116. Profile photo of middlewaytao
    middlewaytao Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    5cats "castle docrtine" is not anytime/anywhere.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    @middlewaytao
    There is a witness report that suggest otherwise.
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:14 pm
    ivran: as long as "whatever find lying around" doesn`t try to convince others that aliens anal probed some random farmer or that a Narwhal and a Unicorn are actually related then ill accept that answer.

    ok for realz this time. going to bed. ill come back to play tmmrw :D
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:15 pm
    5Cats: he could have easily asked Z what he wanted
    Not arguing against that. It`s perfectly reasonable. But to JUMP someone and SLAM thier SKULL into the SIDEWALK? No, not reasonable... ever!
  120. Profile photo of collegebound
    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:16 pm
    ajd121: im not EVEN about to go through that whole bit again...read my WHOLE argument if thats what it takes...
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    middlewaytao Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:16 pm
    The anon one? Is it even a police report?

    @middlewaytao
    There is a witness report that suggest otherwise.
  122. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:18 pm
    Seriously @collegebound: where DO you get that "tidbit" of information from? I`ve never once seen it in my survey of left OR right wing reports...
    But yo just run off... no need to face the facts....
  123. Profile photo of middlewaytao
    middlewaytao Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:21 pm
    He prove anything, he wasn`t even charged with anything yet. That`s the point.
  124. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:26 pm
    No, it`s a witness report that the police collected the night of the killing.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    @Middleway: Castle Doctrine and Stand your ground are basically the same thing.

    We have SYG here in Alabama, but it is graduated response.

    If the attacker comes at you with fists, a blunt object is acceptable.

    Blunt object, a knife or similar is acceptable.

    Knife, gun is acceptable.

    We also have Castle Doctrine, so stay the frak outta my house! lol.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:32 pm
    @Aj: In Canada we have the opposite; if the thief has a knife and You pull a gun? YOU goto jail.
    Very simple.
  127. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:36 pm
    @auburnjunky
    Yea, we don`t have Stand Your Ground, but we have Catle Doctrine, and I couldn`t imagine not having it. You`d have to pay for security systems and poo. It`d be a nightmare. I`ve never actually heard of any cases where castle doctrine had to be used, but I`d be willing to guess that it does indeed deter quite a few house invaders.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:37 pm
    Honest question:
    It seems that everyone holds the position of Zimmerman was acting in self defense or Trayvon was acting in self defense.
    Is it at possible that BOTH were acting in self defense?

    Before you answer, let me clarify: Z approached T to merely inquire why he was in a neighborhood he may or may not should have been. Frightened, T fled whilst Z pursues. In self defense, T feels threatened and attacks Z. In self defense, Z shoots his attacker.

    Does that make sense? Has anyone thought this before?
  129. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:38 pm
    @DuckBoy87 I think it was actually discussed before, and, yes, it is entirely possible. The thing is, though, that whether T was acting in self-defense or not has no bearing on this case. He`s dead. He`s not being charged with a crime.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:51 pm
    If you give me production equipment and a few weeks,I can show you where he killed that kid. Really? This long to manufacture evidence? I wonder if they used I.L.& Magic.
  131. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:53 pm
    @Zeegrr60 How the hell did you know it took this long to obtain evidence? It took the media this long to find this evidence to report, but neither the prosecutor or the defense are going to reveal their evidence before the trial. That`s just foolish.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 9:57 pm
    Duckboy, I think you may well have made the most sensible comment on the thread. It all has to go on evidence of course, and will be decided through the courts, but I can definitely imagine that series of events taking place.

    Just my 2-cents.
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    BluishOrange Female 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 10:02 pm
    "We enhanced it and re-digitized it." LOL
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    Tubby12370 Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 10:11 pm
    A funny picture to go along with BluishOrange`s comment Clicky- Clicky


    Also, Iambored is really milking the Zimmerman story dry, at least 9 posts about it, how many more posts can we squeeze out of it before nobody cares or forgets about it? ( Kony 2012 had 16)
  135. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 10:22 pm
    I wonder why news media bothers to go further. No one`s been charged and it`s obviously not a case for public opinion. I say charge Zimmerman, try him for premeditated murder and let the chips fall where they may. Turning this into a media circus does no damn good at all
  136. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 10:26 pm
    @Duck Boy87: Answer - Zimmerman spotted Martin, called police to report him as a suspicious person to which the police instructed him to leave him alone and take no action. Let`s say that Zimmerman does take no action, then there may not have been this media circus but we won`t know that at all. What we do know is that this could have been avoided and should have been. I can see your point but the point has been all along (and I`m sure the Grand Jury is looking at this as well) this could have been avoided in so many ways
  137. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm
    @5Cats "Castle Doctrine" applies to your home. The entire legal argument is that you should not have to retreat from an imminent threat to your home (i.e. "A Man`s Home Is His Castle")

    Zimmerman did the right thing by calling police but the police (far more training than Zimmerman in threat assessment) obviously did not see Martin as an imminent threat. If it`s true that the two had exchanged words earlier that day, the prosecution`s case that this is NOT self-defense becomes even stronger as he now has a motive.
  138. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 10:33 pm
    @Genocyde
    It wasn`t the police. It was the 911 dispatcher. The point isn`t that the situation could have been avoided,(I agree that it could have) it`s that Zimmerman was doing what he felt was right, which was completely legal and within his right(presumably), and this incited Treyvon to start an altercation. What happened after and a little before that is what is being discussed. The 911 dispatcher call is almost meaningless and is just used by the media. It`s actually a logical fallacy(cause and effect fallacy) when using it to accuse Zimmerman of murder.
  139. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    "It all has to go on evidence of course, and will be decided through the courts"

    That`s if nobody gets to him first. He`d be better off if they prosecuted him and showed what little evidence they have, then he`d be found innocent.

    The way it`s going someone`s emotions may get the better of them and off him. Too much public emotion for him to be safe.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 10:52 pm
    I`ll be damned. It does kind of look like a wound.

    It`s not Fox News either so it might just be legit.

    One question though, why is he not wincing in pain, and why is this the first we`ve seen of it? If it`s a serious wound, he should still have it. It should have been easy to just take a picture and say "see! This is what he did to me".

    So the whole thing is still fishy. Nevertheless he should have been arrested and charged when they found him either way. He *still* just killed someone.

    In Canada we have the opposite; if the thief has a knife and You pull a gun? YOU goto jail.
    No, you have to go to court, and you almost certainly win if your life was genuinely threatened. You might not like it but it is more fair because it holds everyone accountable.

    Being mugged/robbed sucks, but you`re gonna kill someone over it, you might as well face the music. Death is much, much worse.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2012 at 10:55 pm
    We still carrying this on? right o
  142. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 11:21 pm
    @LazyMe484
    You haven`t seen anything on it because Zimmerman isn`t revealing himself to the media. Also, he was treated before the video, which is why he no longer appears to be in pain. If I had to guess, his shooting of T was more caused by fear than pain.
  143. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 11:24 pm
    @5BrainCells

    (It`s been a while since I`ve used that. I honestly had some degree of respect for you there for a while, but it vanished quickly enough...)

    Martin attacked him, even though Martin had NO right to do so.

    ...

    You got proof otherwise? Lets see it.
    Well, first I`d like to see YOUR PROOF that Martin had no right to attack first in an attempt to defend himself from someone he believed was a belligerent pursuer.

    And don`t try to cover your ass: You forgot to add "I think" in front of this one, so you`re not getting away with that bullsh*t excuse this time. You`re making sh*t up as you go and believing the survivor`s side of the story, which would NEVER include some covering of his own ass.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    I say we just let bygones be bygones.
  145. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2012 at 11:39 pm
    Noooo, @LilianDulci: the WHOLE POINT of the "castle docrtine" is that the burden of proof is on the ACCUSER!
    So then the burden of proof lies on the dead guy?

    Yeah, that makes an absolute sh*tload of sense.

    Besides, this isn`t castle doctrine, this is Stand Your Ground, which gives you the right to fight back when "threatened" in PUBLIC.

    Isn`t that interesting? On a public street and you feel "threatened," now you have the right to shoot someone rather than the obligation to try and get away.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    April 3, 2012 at 12:17 am
    Even is Zimmerman spends the rest of his life in jail, he should feel OK about it. He claims that he was about to be killed. It is better to be judged by twelve men than carried by six. A life in jail is better than eternity in a casket. He will have gotten there by his own stupid judgement and acts. He put himself in harm`s way, as he did many times before.

    I think this should at least go to court. He has a case to answer, so give him his day in court and see how the evidence pans out. For the local police not to press any charges in this case when it is clearly in the public interest is at best unwise and undermines the rule of law; at worst it is a deliberate miscarriage of justice.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 12:18 am
    And Stand Your Ground deserves to be repealed; it encourages conflict and death.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2346 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 12:53 am
    I really don`t see anything conclusive at all.

    but what i have said from the start is that clearly a fight took place. the real question is who is responsible for that conflict?

    Martin we know by the girl he was talking to on the phone was aware he was being followed and was actively trying to avoid Zimmerman.

    Zimmerman was told by police not to approach Martin but did anyway.

    we know zimmerman already assumed and thought it was fact that martin was up to know good y this statement, "they always F`ing get away".

    clearly zimmerman was sure he was pursuing a criminal. that means we can assume that he was ready for a confrontation. he was in fight or flight. so was martin by this point most likely.

    zimmerman approaches Martin, martin doe snot know who he is, it is reasonable to assume that martin felt threatened by a man with a visible gun confronting and questioning him late at night. it is obvious who is responsible her
  149. Profile photo of blackcatseye
    blackcatseye Female 30-39
    685 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 1:11 am
    All I see is a reflection on his big shiny head and his clothes look very clean for somebody who supposedly was in a fight and fell down. He`s a liar, fry him.
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    DinVen Male 30-39
    390 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 1:12 am
    "Enhanced video"... reminds me of The Running Man.

    Anyway good to see that they bumped the saturation in the red spectrum.

    This injury could have been sustained in multiple ways and proves nothing. If I was being threatened by a self appointed "captain", I would fight back as well.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 1:22 am
    "And Stand Your Ground deserves to be repealed; it encourages conflict and death."

    Screw that! If someone tries to kill me, and I kill him first, I go to jail without SYG.
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
    626 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 2:19 am
    He still chased down and possibly attacked some kid for wear a hoodie/ being black, and proceeded to kill him.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2508 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 3:38 am
    It doesn`t negate the fact that he tracked down an innocent kid even after he was told by the 911 operator not to.

    The simple fact is, if Treyvon had been the one with the gun and Zimmerman had been the one killed, there is no doubt in my mind that Treyvon would be sitting in jail right now, being tried as an adult.
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    botfly Male 50-59
    616 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 3:50 am
    Have some more Koolaid idiots.
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    middlewaytao Male 30-39
    389 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:07 am
    "Screw that! If someone tries to kill me, and I kill him first, I go to jail without SYG."

    Yes, you have to defend yourself in court, big whoop, you killed someone.

    Society is drating coming apart, I tell you.
  156. Profile photo of Kain1
    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:10 am
    I just don`t get why they don`t even charge him.. He did kill another human being after all.. If he really did do it in self defence he should be able to prove it..
  157. Profile photo of Reganom
    Reganom Male 18-29
    505 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:25 am
    I may be remembering this incorrectly but:

    Wasn`t Zimmerman returning to the car because he lost Trayvon?
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    YANKmyDOODLE Male 30-39
    771 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:27 am
    shopped
  159. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:50 am
    In most civilised countries, what this person did would be called stalking and murder. Even in a country that has as bizarre gun laws and as distorted a sense of the concept of "self defence" as America, there`s ample evidence on the 911 call this man made (and on the 86 *other* calls he made before this fatal incident) that he was a vigilante, out to find trouble.

    He`s an embarrassment on more than one level. Not only was he so pathetic a man that an unarmed teenager could apparently kick his arse when he stalked him without justification, but he wasn`t even taken into custody to await trial on such a serious alleged offence.

    If you ever doubted that the sort of 24-style, post-911 revenge fantasies and the warped version of `justice` you inflicted on the rest of the civilised world would come home to roost on your own doorstep, America, this case should tell you very clearly that the people you`ve damaged most by the way you go about things are yourselves.
  160. Profile photo of Mister_C
    Mister_C Male 18-29
    663 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:51 am
    They keep using those 5 year old angelic pics of Trayvon as a child. I wonder why they don`t use the recent ones of him with his sagging pants and gold teeth and tattoos? Hmm.
  161. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:53 am
    I wonder why they don`t use the recent ones of him with his sagging pants and gold teeth and tattoos? Hmm.
    I wonder why you believe that sagging pants, gold teeth and tattoos are in any way relevant. Hmmm.
  162. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:16 am
    "I wonder why you believe that sagging pants, gold teeth and tattoos are in any way relevant. Hmmm."

    same reason you believe pictures of him at 12 are relevant.

    point is, anyone who is convinced this guy is guilty is wrong, same as anyone who is convinced he is innocent. We wont know for sure until the investigation is complete, and even then some will cry foul. the media is playing us like an out of tune piano and I am embarrassed for us all.
  163. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:26 am
    Youreallydosucksomuch, There`s a difference between attacker and victim. They have the attacker on tape using a racial slur (that I`m sure you didn`t hear). We had claims of a struggle with Zimmerman claiming the cries for help were him. He claims "stand your ground" but he chased the man down. Your inability to see the wrongs of his actions prove racism. Systemic racism. I`m sure you`ll deny that too.
  164. Profile photo of Keyh
    Keyh Male 18-29
    226 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:30 am
    "I wonder why you believe that sagging pants, gold teeth and tattoos are in any way relevant. Hmmm."

    I wonder why the family believes that it is.

    "I just don`t get why they don`t even charge him.. He did kill another human being after all.. If he really did do it in self defence he should be able to prove it.. "

    He DID prove it with the broken nose, gash on the back of his head, and eyewitness accounts stating that he was on the ground.

    "Yes, you have to defend yourself in court, big whoop, you killed someone."

    Yes, but there would be no defense...

    "He still chased down and possibly attacked some kid for wear a hoodie/ being black, and proceeded to kill him."

    Clearly it was because he was black. Stop spouting this bullpoo.

    "Zimmerman was told by police not to approach Martin but did anyway. "

    Please stop saying this. Zimmerman was given no orders by anyone
  165. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:39 am
    "Youreallydosucksomuch, There`s a difference between attacker and victim. They have the attacker on tape using a racial slur (that I`m sure you didn`t hear). We had claims of a struggle with Zimmerman claiming the cries for help were him. He claims "stand your ground" but he chased the man down. Your inability to see the wrongs of his actions prove racism. Systemic racism. I`m sure you`ll deny that too."

    what exactly did i deny again? and you might want to go check what i said on the post about the racial slur, but you wont because you are the WORST MOD EVER and a true leader of the lemmings.
  166. Profile photo of tedgp
    tedgp Male 30-39
    3287 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:43 am
    @keyh actually the dispatcher specifically told him not to follow trayvon.

    The rest of your post is right though.
  167. Profile photo of Keyh
    Keyh Male 18-29
    226 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:51 am
    "@keyh actually the dispatcher specifically told him not to follow trayvon.

    The rest of your post is right though."

    Sorry, the comment got cut off. It was "orders by anyone with authority."
  168. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:53 am
    Oh I`ve heard you loud and clear. We have a murderer over here claiming self defense and we have a dead black teenager who had saggy pants and gold teeth. We`ll pretend to stand by impartially and say we`re letting the system work and be outraged at the people who are outraged at demanding justice. Loud and clear.
  169. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 6:00 am
    there is a difference between justice and what it is you are screaming for, you don`t care one bit about justice, you will not be happy unless this guy is hanged no matter what actually happened. What will you do if the local and federal investigations determine that he was within the law? You will spew more confusion about how corrupt the investigations were and how bad America is because of it.
  170. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 6:03 am
    what will I do if the local and federal investigations determine he was not within the law and charge him? I will be glad the TRUTH finally came out and be glad its over.
  171. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 6:04 am
    You should also know that your party and your Supreme Court justices gave the green light to strip search people for minor offenses. The republican controlled court could care less about individual liberties and seem to be itching for a police state. After all it was Justice Thomas who was the lone dissenting vote for Safford v. Redding. That`s your party. That`s what you vote for. No more running from that reality. No more pretending that yours is the party of smaller government. Yours is the genitalia party. The closeted homosexual party. The party that will feel your balls eventually. Lets hope they don`t use a flashlight.
  172. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 6:17 am
    "You should also know that your party and your Supreme Court justices gave the green light to strip search people for minor offenses. The republican controlled court could care less about individual liberties and seem to be itching for a police state. After all it was Justice Thomas who was the lone dissenting vote for Safford v. Redding. That`s your party. That`s what you vote for. No more running from that reality. No more pretending that yours is the party of smaller government. Yours is the genitalia party. The closeted homosexual party. The party that will feel your balls eventually. Lets hope they don`t use a flashlight."



    LOL! Oh.....Kaaaayyyyyyyy. yes, no convoluted, pointless arguing here. You make a great case.......for forced sterilizations.

  173. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:33 am
    same reason you believe pictures of him at 12 are relevant.

    Oh, really? When did I say that then, genius? Oh, I`m sorry, I forgot - you hear what you want to hear, and see what you want to see, don`t you?

    People like Ron Paul have been warning about the state that America`s got itself into, stating that, after you`ve exhausted yourselves fighting every country on the planet that can`t fight back, you`re going to end up being invaded by the Russians/Chinese/Aliens/whomever, and how no-one in Europe or elsewhere is going to give a toss when that happens, since for the past decade you`ve been behaving on the international stage in a way that nobody that might once have supported you can support any more. I think your problems are way bigger than that, however. Before any bigger bully even gets the *chance *to invade you, I think you`ll implode in on yourself.
  174. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:33 am
    You simply can`t have *teenagers* (black, white, gold teeth, saggy pants or otherwise) being gunned down in circumstances that clearly warrant a criminal trial, privileged rich people like Zimmerman walking the streets free instead sitting in jail awaiting that trial on that very serious alleged offence, black senators protesting on Capitol Hill, and all the while your war criminals walk free from what you laughingly call courts for committing dangerously-similar offences upon Afghan and Iraqi children. Countries with that many internal tensions and that many marks on its national conscience tend to come apart all on their own.
  175. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:48 am
    @macguffin, *sigh* , yes it is obvious by me trying to explain that BOTH sides of this media fabricated poostorm are seeing what they what to see. But you keep shouting the lemming gospel, amen sister.
  176. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:57 am
    the thing is no one , you, me or anyone in this world other than zimmerman, Knows with certainty what happened. And until the investigations are done, the only thing these stories do is divide people and keep them angry and make it easier for whichever "side" is denied their "justice" to rationalize violence.
  177. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:08 am
    Whatever, dude. Meanwhile, whilst the parody of justice that sees rich people like Zimmerman roaming free "until the investigations are done" on this very serious alleged offence (I thought that Sanford PD already said there was no offence in their blinkered eyes, but never mind), there are an awful high percentage of black and poor people sitting in prison, many of them serving life or other astronomical sentences for playing trivial, non-violent parts in the drug trade, that are wondering "Why are we tolerating this unfair treatment, again? Aren`t there more of us than there are of them?"

    Good luck keeping a lid on all that hatred and injustice for the next twenty years or so.
  178. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:11 am
    I saw a Cops this past weekend filmed in Florida where a guy ran his neighbor off his yard with a pipe in his hand. He never hit her, he simply chased her away. She called the cops. He claimed "stand your ground" defense. He was arrested for aggravated assault and she got a ticket for trespassing. All the people involved including the cop were white. If stand your ground is so weak as to get a white guy locked up for running a neighbor off his property with a pipe then the same set of rules should have been applied to Zimmerman.
    If this case had no national attention. There would be nothing happening with regard to Zimmerman, ever.
  179. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:12 am
    I like how he is "rich" white guy now too, lol
  180. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:13 am
    I like how he is "rich" white guy now too, lol
    Show me where I said "white", again? No, silly me - you make it all up inside your head as you go along, don`t you?
  181. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:18 am
    so you dont think he is white? just rich and privileged? oh ok sorry.
  182. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:19 am
    Oh look, it`s starting
  183. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:26 am
    "I saw a Cops this past weekend filmed in Florida where a guy ran his neighbor off his yard with a pipe in his hand. He never hit her, he simply chased her away. She called the cops. He claimed "stand your ground" defense. He was arrested for aggravated assault and she got a ticket for trespassing. All the people involved including the cop were white. If stand your ground is so weak as to get a white guy locked up for running a neighbor off his property with a pipe"

    Because it was a female. Simple.
  184. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:43 am
    OK so in AJ`s world the scales of justice are sexist.
  185. Profile photo of GlockPants
    GlockPants Male 18-29
    163 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:59 am
    @Madest
    Do you honestly believe that the justice system is completely fair or unbiased? It is evident from this incident (and others seen on COPS apparently) that it isn`t.

    @the rest of you
    Can`t any of you see that this is all just a game by the media to cram poo down your throats? There SHOULD be a trial, but there isn`t. Get over it and move on. The World is a crappy place.
  186. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 9:18 am
    @Glock: Oh, "get over it", is that all everyone else needs to do? I`m so glad that you`re here to personally explain such cutting insights to us mere mortals. 911, the holocaust, rape, murder, unconvinced war criminals, black kids getting killed by vigilantes who don`t even face a trial - we`ve all just to Get Over It. Thanks for that, Ghandi; now piss off with your unspeakably naive adolescent wisdom, because what works in gym class doesn`t actually work in the real adult world, surprisingly.
  187. Profile photo of rachaldenise
    rachaldenise Female 18-29
    27 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 9:43 am
    IDK. I can`t tell what it is if anything. Whenever there are injuries involved proper procedure dictates that the police take pictures to document for trial. The police should just release those if there are any and settle this once and for all.

    I guess what I`m saying is:

    Pics or GTFO ;)
  188. Profile photo of GasMaskKid
    GasMaskKid Male 18-29
    694 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 10:09 am
    i see nothing but his shiny baldness
  189. Profile photo of Mister_C
    Mister_C Male 18-29
    663 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 10:48 am
    @MacGuffin: My point was that instead of using a recent photo where his look is considerably different, and what many people would consider provocative or intimidating (regardless of skin colour) they chose to use an angelic photo of him as a child, a photo from 5-6 years ago.

    It`d be akin to Zimmerman`s used photo being one of him feeding fluffy animals, with a halo, whilst frolicking through woodland and wearing white robes, en-route to helping an old lady cross the road and helping a cat out of a tree whilst making toys for neighbourhood children.

    It`s all about how you present someone. Reality versus the best view for your arguement.
  190. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 10:52 am
    @MacGuffin: My point was that instead of using a recent photo where his look is considerably different, and what many people would consider provocative or intimidating (regardless of skin colour) they chose to use an angelic photo of him as a child, a photo from 5-6 years ago.

    It`d be akin to Zimmerman`s used photo being one of him feeding fluffy animals, with a halo, whilst frolicking through woodland and wearing white robes, en-route to helping an old lady cross the road and helping a cat out of a tree whilst making toys for neighbourhood children.

    It`s all about how you present someone. Reality versus the best view for your arguement.
    That`s a fair enough point.
  191. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 11:21 am
    Thank you GlockPants, Exactly the point I was making...
  192. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31761 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 11:24 am
    We have a murderer over here
    Ah @madest! So impartial!
    Of course Zimmerman is a murderer, his shirt was tucked in!! Now he`s invisible too!!!
  193. Profile photo of drworm2002
    drworm2002 Male 30-39
    662 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    I don`t see anything but something that could be a light reflecting on his head. If he had a cut on his head they would have taken a picture. S**t, if I was Zimmerman I would have asked them at the police station, "hey, you need to take pictures or anything?"
  194. Profile photo of DingDingDong
    DingDingDong Male 30-39
    1511 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    I thank Zimmerman for trying to protect his neighborhood and calling the police to check out suspicious individuals in his gated community.
    You wouldn`t be hating on him if he stopped a burglar from breaking into your home.
    I`m also glad he defended himself against an unprovoked assault. I hope every young stupid thug thinks twice about committing assault, or else he may get shot in the chest. And it`s completely justified.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25406 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    I think no more speculation... best wait for an outcome
  196. Profile photo of 8jdb28jdb2
    8jdb28jdb2 Male 30-39
    83 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 3:00 pm
    Don`t buy it.
  197. Profile photo of PhaQ
    PhaQ Male 30-39
    11 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:04 pm
    It was only a matter of time brfore Al Sharpton showed up for some well dexerve camera time. Al Sharpton you are a parasitem if only your followers could see you for what you are.
  198. Profile photo of panda_chaos
    panda_chaos Female 18-29
    235 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:04 pm
    What makes Treyvon so special? There are black kids and Mexican kids and gay kids who are getting murdered all the time and no one makes a sound. Who the hell is this Treyvon? I`m sick of hearing about him.
  199. Profile photo of GlockPants
    GlockPants Male 18-29
    163 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:30 pm
    @MacGuffin
    I don`t even care that you are trying to elicit a response with a personal attack. Here`s me getting over it and moving on. Have fun with your pointless arguments with strangers that has a HUGE impact on the way society is going to view this unfortunate incident. Have a nice day.
  200. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31761 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 6:25 pm
    HEY DAVYMID!!!
    HEY MADEST!!!!

    Look at the rating on this thread, cousins: 3.0!
    So much for your "under 2" nonsense! Pbbbt!
  201. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 6:49 pm
    Look at the rating on this thread, cousins: 3.0!
    Out of how many votes?

    Because my singular vote just knocked it down to 2.9, just so you know.

    I think it`s because people are starting to get so bored with this whole case, they`re ignoring the posts all together. Which seems like a pretty good policy to me.
  202. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31761 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    Ack! Dammit! Who lowered it to 2.9?

    Lolz!

    Same difference, they`re full of poop and they know it!
  203. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31761 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    @Altaru? go figure...
  204. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 10:53 pm
    HEY DAVYMID!!!
    HEY MADEST!!!!

    Look at the rating on this thread, cousins: 3.0!
    So much for your "under 2" nonsense! Pbbbt!

    Dude, everyone gets one vote, as I explained.
  205. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31761 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 8:21 am
    Hiya @davymid!

    I was just so excited that there was a 3.0 for this post! For a moment there, at least...

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