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155 Responses to 911 Call: Screams Heard Were Not George Zimmerman

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
    8044 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:08 pm
    Link: 911 Call: Screams Heard Were Not George Zimmerman - 2 experts agree, the voice heard crying for help on the 911 call was not that of George Zimmerman. Story in credits.
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    tttaylorrr Female 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 4:40 pm
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 4:45 pm
    Huh. Well, that`s something. I appreciate the reporting done here. The reporter asks him a lot of good questions relevant to the nature of his work, and the accuracy of his findings.

    Usually, these days, they just assume everything is on the up-and-up and jump straight to "oh wow, how tragic, how chilling, what an awful liar," etc.
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:46 pm
    Justice will hopefully be served. This guy needs to be put away for the rest of his life, and gangbanged every day in the prison shower until he dies.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 3, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    They say things like `likely` and `possible`.
    They don`t make definitive analysis.
    Zimmerman and the witness claim it is him.
    Hmmmmmmmm... I trust technology over human memory usualy, but . . . hmmmmmm
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 3, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Is the voice enhancement credible as evidence?
    Or is it something shoddy like "lie detectors"?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 3, 2012 at 4:53 pm
    FAKE! As in: Not true. These "experts" would need baseline readings from both people to "conclude" anything.

    And the eye-witness? The person who SAW Zimmerman screaming NOT Trayvon?
    And Trayvon`s father? Who said "That`s not my son" when played the tape? HE`S lieing about it?

    FFS. I`ve offered GOOD links to the Martin case which remain un-posted. Truth! Verifiable eh?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:55 pm
    Nice @stonards! Hey @Gerry1, don`t you get offended when someone wants "gay rape" of a person? Just wondering.

    And while "audio enhancement" isn`t as bad as "lie detectors" (which are 100% BUNK btw) it`s hardly "proof" without a baseline...
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    ajd121 Male 18-29
    625 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 4:57 pm
    Wow, I can`t believe she didn`t ask what the effects of a comparing a person screaming to them talking regular could have an analysis the audio. Either bias or idiocy.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:01 pm
    Right off the bat: The pictures of Zimmerman and Martin? Zimmerman`s has been ALTERED to make him look "more white". It`s a fact.
    Trayvon is 12 in that picture, iirc...
    ffs.

    "I can`t say one way or the other... I have nothing to compare"

    SO! The expert SAYS THIS and you conclude... that he`s 100% certain?

    ffs...
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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
    1239 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:03 pm
    Finally, a piece of evidence to go on. Scientific evidence and professional testimony is enough to try and potentially convict alone. If they don`t make an arrest based on this then I concede that it`s very justified to be pissed.
    It`s still wrong to encourage kidnapping, violence, etc. I hope people continue to hold off and give the system a chance to work instead of murdering him. Also, it`s weird how waiting and letting experts do their job produces results.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:05 pm
    The person who SAW Zimmerman screaming NOT Trayvon?
    So, apparently, you can now SEE which person`s voice it is?
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:05 pm
    Ruh-rohhhhhhh. Well, this oughta be good for about 30 pages of comments. >.<
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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
    1239 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    They can`t prove it`s Treyvon but he says it is definitely not Zimmerman. Logic dictates it must be Treyvon but the lack of comparison does make this circumstantial but more than enough to arrest pending trial while they investigate more. Until the credibility of anonymous witness can be determined I`m more prone to believe the science.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    Finally, a piece of evidence to go on.
    Yep.

    And, guess who`s arguing against it... Hmm...

    That said... I DON`T think comparing someone`s speaking voice to them screaming at the top of their lungs during a fight is fair, honestly.
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    skytz1337 Male 18-29
    687 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    WHY IS THIS CRAP STILL GOING ON?!!! JUST HANG THE RACIST BASTARD ALREADY !!! ><
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    Two experts? I know for a fact that one of the "experts" states categorically on his own website that he needs extensive reference and a long sample of the voice in the same mode to match them.

    Since he had only a brief sample of scream and a short reference sample of Zimmernman talking, not screaming, according to him such a statement is impossible. he is simply lying, and we can assume the otehr idiot is too.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:13 pm
    @Altaru: What part of "Eyewitness" do you fail to understand.
    A person SAW the event, said that Zimmerman was screaming, NOT Trayvon. Get it?

    Weaksauce @PinkRhoid: listen to the "expert" he cannot tell! He says so over and again! It`s not proof of a single thing, just the opinion of someone who was not there!!
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:13 pm
    Right off the bat: The pictures of Zimmerman and Martin? Zimmerman`s has been ALTERED to make him look "more white". It`s a fact.
    Trayvon is 12 in that picture, iirc...
    ffs.
    According to 5Cats, media bias matters more than credible scientific evidence, which he`s been begging for all along.

    I feel it would be a good time to point out to anyone who may start an argument with him: He does indeed suffer from Selective Comprehension. He won`t listen to any of your good points, but will nit-pick at any opportunity. He will actively deny that he can make mistakes, but will consider you wrong about everything, even when you`re right.

    So it`s not worth it people. You can`t change the made-up mind of a 40-something man who deliberately refuses to change.
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:14 pm
    @5Cats

    Well, there could be non-gay rape, but then he`d enjoy it...
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:15 pm
    5Cats` response to digitally-enhanced video showing head wound on Zimmerman: "SEE?"

    5Cats` response to digital audio analysis indicating voice crying for help wasn`t Zimmerman: "FAKE!"

    Hmmmmm. =^.^=
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    CaneTrain Male 30-39
    34 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:15 pm
    Wow... stupid once again. This sounds like some kind of science project for 5th graders.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:16 pm
    @Altaru: What part of "Eyewitness" do you fail to understand.
    A person SAW the event, said that Zimmerman was screaming, NOT Trayvon. Get it?
    An ANONYMOUS "witness" saw a fight, heard screaming, and assumed it was the person he knew screaming for help. Or did he say his eye-sight was so good he could read their lips on a dark rainy night?

    BTW, said witnesses statement also contradicts more than a few other NOT-ANONYMOUS witnesses who claimed they heard the voice of a teenager.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
    2441 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:18 pm
    Didn`t MSNBC also doctor Zimmerman`s 911 call to make it seem like he was really focusing on Martin`s race? Yup.

    This story is really just showing how awful the MSM can be. They can omit and twist any story to fit their needs to stir up controversy and have something to talk about for weeks on end. Mind you, it`s still important because it`s a murder, however I don`t support Zimmerman and I don`t support Martin. I have no clue what really happened that night and I`m hoping a full investigation will yield some answers. I`m tired of the witch hunt for Zimmerman, and I`m tired of every f^ckhead black leader and politician coming out of the woodwork to say their two cents. I have no idea if Zimmerman`s actions were race-related. I have no idea if Martin was just walking and minding his business. Stop acting like assclowns and wait for some real goddamn evidence.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:20 pm
    @5BrainCells

    Hell, I just stood in your damn defense, you retard. I said, and I quote, "I DON`T think comparing someone`s speaking voice to them screaming at the top of their lungs during a fight is fair, honestly."

    Just had to say that before I start completely ignoring you.
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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:21 pm
    listen to the "expert" he cannot tell! He says so over and again!
    That`s not what I got from it. He says over and over he can`t say it is Treyvon but he says pretty straightforward that on tests identifying voices out of 300 he gets a 99% accuracy. At 40% he says with certainty it is not Zimmerman. As I said it is enough in most cases to try but not necessarily convict because he can`t show it was Treyvon but it is enough to arrest imo.
    I DON`T think comparing someone`s speaking voice to them screaming at the top of their lungs during a fight is fair, honestly.
    I`m certain that they are aware of differences and would say if it made it too hard to tell. If I understand it correctly it looks for markers in your voice much like a fingerprint that are present screaming or not.

    Also this is just a step. If any of Treyvons friends or family pony up a tape or recording with him on it, which after this I bet they are trying, then th
  27. Profile photo of RuralNinja
    RuralNinja Male 18-29
    519 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:21 pm


    Can IAB please stop with all this Treyvon crap? Its like watching gossip in high school, except its a sick sideshow about how many times you can spin a man`s death.
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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:21 pm
    the expert may yet seal the deal
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:22 pm
    5cats is a drating moron that refuses to concede in the face of complete and absolute defeat. Altaru put it nicely. Hey 5cats! Go kill yourself please. Less people like you would benefit the human gene pool.
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:23 pm
    5cats is one of the greatest trolls to ever hit this site. I don`t mean this in a bad way, because the drama he stirs up is often amusing to me. Keep up the good work, you make comments worth reading.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:24 pm
    @RuralNinja: Solution: Don`t click links that pertain to Zimmerman/Martin. There`s plenty of other stuff to look at. It`s as simple as that.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    If I understand it correctly it looks for markers in your voice much like a fingerprint that are present screaming or not.
    Fair enough.

    Still, I wouldn`t trust an expert to pick out my voice. It changes by the minute (not kidding, I have completely forgotten what my "real" voice sounds like), and it changes even more the louder I get.
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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    Still, I wouldn`t trust an expert to pick out my voice. It changes by the minute (not kidding, I have completely forgotten what my "real" voice sounds like), and it changes even more the louder I get.

    People felt the same about DNA not long ago, and fingerprints once upon a time. As long as they can demonstrate to a jury or to the world publicly etc. how it works, why it works, and how accurate it is then it really doesn`t matter how much someone wants to accept it. Demonstrated, proven science > opinions. I mean that non-offensively and of course I have yet to see the proof behind the pudding but I am certain it exists or it wouldn`t be in use for terrorists and other murder cases already.
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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:35 pm
    I would require such a demonstration and proof before judging guilty were I on his jury of course.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:37 pm
    Wouldn`t trust any MSNBC `expert`.

    Especially when two eyewitnesses seen and heard that it was Zimmerman yelling for help.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:38 pm
    There was also a witness who heard it was Trayvon, even though the police "corrected" them and told them it was actually Zimmerman.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:40 pm
    5Cats` response to digital audio analysis indicating voice crying for help wasn`t Zimmerman: "FAKE!"
    Hi @Squirrelz!
    YES! I can see with my own eyes if the "enhanced" video matches the regular one. OK?
    This "audio" needs to have a BASELINE of both voices before the "expert" can claim to know who is yelling. OK?
    HE SAYS HE DOESN`T HAVE THAT!
    HE SAYS HE DOESN`T KNOW WHO`S YELLING!

    Sorry for shouting, but really, what more does one need to see that this is BULLSHIITE!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    An ANONYMOUS "witness" saw a fight, heard screaming, and assumed it was the person he knew screaming for help.
    Goodbe @Altaru, it was kinda fun arguing with you, but you are totally a troll now, and are dead to me.

    @PoopTart: Yup! Excellent link! I`ve suggested it for IAB, but so far...
    For those not knowing it: NBC "edited" the 911 call to make it sound like Zimmerman is a racist. Sickening.

    Hey 5cats! Go kill yourself please
    Oh thanks @swoop! As someone who has severe depression and is a high suicide risk I THANK YOU for wishing I was dead. What a nice thing to wish upon another human being! Do you talk to your mother with that filthy mouth of yours?

    @LillianDulci: That witness you mention came to the scene AFTER the gunshot. She saw Z standing over M, AFTER the gunshot. Get it?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:49 pm
    Lillian: That supposed `witness` was named Mary, she was on the phone, inside her house, at the time of the incident. The police tried to talk with her on 3 occasions, She gave a note about the incident to her friend to give to the police, it corroborated Zimmerman`s side of the story, at that time. It wasn`t until weeks later that she changed her story and said she heard Martin yelling for help, after it started getting national media attention.
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    Mogulman Male 18-29
    295 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:52 pm
    Can we stop seeing posts about this poo? I get it, some white guy shot a black guy and shouldn`t have. PLEASE NO MORE.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 5:52 pm
    @5Cats: Slow down while reading this comment, big guy, `cuz I`m going to disagree with you and then agree with you. Don`t want to lose you on the turn.

    Despite what you`re stating, the expert *does* have a baseline of Zimmerman`s voice: the recording of the 911 call Zimmerman himself made. The audio expert used the software to compare that voice with the voice calling for help and found they were not a match. What he did NOT have a baseline of was Martin`s voice. That`s why he`s stating only that the voice is not Zimmerman`s and will not venture to say whether or not it`s Martin`s.

    That said, I share some of the others` skepticism regarding "voice fingerprinting." Perhaps it really is as accurate as the expert claims, but I`d need to see proof. Adrenalin can do funny things to a person`s vocal chords.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:53 pm
    I`m officially done paying attention to ANY media that posts 4 year old pictures.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:54 pm
    Lillian, my favorite engineering student! =^.^= How`d that exam go?
  44. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 5:55 pm
    People felt the same about DNA not long ago, and fingerprints once upon a time.
    The thing about DNA and fingerprints, and I`m not trying to be a dick here, I`m just saying, is that they both remain consistent (unless you do something to your fingerprint, like scar it or something, but even then most of the markers should remain), so you don`t need more than two pieces of them in evidence to compare.

    With a voice, though, it can change by the situation. Like I said, I can change mine at will, and sometimes it changes unconsciously. I`ve had people I`ve known for years not recognize me when I call them just to say hi.

    Comparing "speaking calmly into the mic" against "screaming at the top of one`s lungs from a distance" just doesn`t seem fair to me...

    I guess I just want to know the methods and science behind this before I`d believe it.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:03 pm
    *gasp! gasp!*
    OK @Squirrelz, I made it though you, post! (lolz!)
    Just barely!

    But seriously, screaming and talking are so completley different, it`s not possible to make a baseline without properly comparable data, ok?
    Ned Flanders! Need I say more?

    @Altaru: I`ll notice that you`re agreeing with me, don`t get all excited.
    Fingerprints are NOT 100% despite what the "experts" say this is true! Sure they`re GOOD, but not infallable.
    DNA is much better, idk if it`s 100% but way better than fingerprints I`ll agree.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    Haha if you`re so depressed just end the pain then 5cats. I won`t lose sleep over not seeing you on the boards anymore.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:10 pm
    Thanks @swoop! What a wonderful example of "liberalism" you are!

    I`m sure your parents are proud of you...
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 6:16 pm
    For anyone interested in the technology behind this analysis, here`s the website for "Easy Voice Biometrics," the software that the audio expert used. LINK
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
    937 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 6:21 pm
    Can we stop seeing posts about this poo? I get it, some white guy shot a black guy and shouldn`t have. PLEASE NO MORE.

    you dont get it. ItT was a mexican guy that shot a black guy.
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    dognose82 Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:23 pm
    So, if they come up with a video of Trayvon speaking and this same expert runs it and finds it to be less than a 48% match (other articles state that is the Zimmerman match) then is the media going to backtrack again? The same way they did when ABC released the video of NO HEAD WOUNDS and then later after video forensics showed he was injured say, "oops, my bad!" Media in this country is terrible.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:27 pm
    I can`t wait until this blows over and we get something more interesting.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:28 pm
    CJ&5Cats if you can provide proof that she wasn`t credible and that the police didn`t correct her when she told them it was trayvon screaming, and that the other witnesses are more credible than her, please do so.

    I do find it amusing that you both discredit this and yet think the edited video is credible. Personally, I couldn`t see the "mark" on Zimmerman`s head at all until the still frame picture.

    @Squrlz - Not so well ,_, But I think I did at least as well as my first test (which isn`t great but it`s passing). We wont have the results until next week though.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:30 pm
    @Dognose: I agree with you; good points. The EVB website makes it clear that the results are not binary, Yes or No, but rather a percentage match, with anything below 85% considered not a match.

    So, per 5Cats earlier assertions, it may be premature to come out with a verdict on the voices without having that percentage figure relative to Martin.

    On the other paw, Thomas Owen, the audio expert, has been doing this for quite awhile and, apparently, is good at it. One hopes he knows what he`s doing. His website, btw, is located here.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:32 pm
    I discourage teens because there is so much life to live and they have yet to experience it, but if you`re well into your 40s and in pain everyday then just end the misery already and get it over with ffs. And they are.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:42 pm
    @LillianDulci: By her own testamony:
    She heard "someone" screaming.
    She THEN heard a gunshot.
    She THEN saw Z standing over M.

    Ok?

    She never SAW who was screaming, period! She didn`t see who was where until AFTER the shot was fired.
    Unlike the other witness, who actually SAW Z and M fighting, ok?
  56. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:44 pm
    I didn`t exactly intend to post that, but to anyone who saw it, it`s still true.

    I went through a year of living hell when I was 15, and came out of it with a strong will to live and do great things.

    I can`t help but find it pathetic that someone would rather DIE than face their problems head on and solve them, like an evolutionary success story like humanity should.

    5, aren`t you religious, or at least spiritual? Then don`t you know that YOU should be in control of yourself, not your head?

    The only reason you have a "high risk of suicide" is because you WANT to. Whether you believe it or not, you`ll find that if you WANTED to change yourself, it`s possible.

    What am I saying? You`re the forty-something who`s so stuck in his ways he won`t even accept FACTS when they go against his worldview... You don`t stand a chance of changing a fundamental aspect of who you are.
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    ElijaBlack Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    the douche went out looking for trouble found trouble and killed a kid.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:50 pm
    Altaru, I don`t know much about 5Cats personally but he claims to have severe depression. If you`ve ever lived with someone who has depression, you`d realize it`s not something they want or can control and it`s really insensitive to act like it`s their fault for being that way.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 6:51 pm
    @Lillian: Well, I wish you good luck and hope you`re pleasantly surprised next week. Not sure how you engineering students do it. I`m sure I could never have made it through calculus; I steered clear of it by fulfilling my Math & Science requirements with biology courses. So I bred fruit flies.

    Oh, and should engineering *not* work out, Heaven forfend, you know I`ve got another career path lined up for you.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    you guys are only JUST NOW finding out about 5Cats Trolling methods?

    you guys disappoint me more than HE does...
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:57 pm
    If you`ve ever lived with someone who has depression, you`d realize it`s not something they want or can control and it`s really insensitive to act like it`s their fault for being that way.
    I don`t care if it`s "insensitive." I`ll act sensitive towards someone with an actual problem.

    Someone like 5 has no reason to be depressed and suicidal. He`s living a damn good life compared to other people in this world.

    We didn`t become the apex animal on earth because we moped and bitched about our problems.

    We fixed them, were proud of fixing them, then proceeded to work harder to make life better because we realized that only through working hard and thinking forward toward the solutions of our problems would things ever get better.

    Being "depressed" is an excuse for being too pathetic to actually fix your problems. And if you can`t fix your problems, we don`t need you holding us back.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 3, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    5Cats - "@Gerry1, don`t you get offended when someone wants "gay rape" of a person? Just wondering."
    Nope..... maybe a bit jealous perhaps.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 3, 2012 at 7:00 pm
    5, aren`t you religious, or at least spiritual?
    I`m a Deist, @Altaru, and yes I`m the spiritual sort of Deist.
    I`m at a high risk of suicide because my mind doesn`t function "normally" and we depressed people are MUCH more likely to kill ourselves than regular folks.

    Thank you @LillianDulci! I`d wish cancer on someone before depression. Depression is ugly, all-invasive and has no cure. That and irritable bowel syndrome, which I also have...

    So I bred fruit flies
    That is SO COOL! @Squirrelz! You got data? Id love to look at it!
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    April 3, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    @Altaru: *facepaw* You couldn`t be more wrong when you call depression "an excuse." It`s chemical. In severe depression, willing yourself to think happy thoughts and have a can-do attitude are like trying to melt a glacier with a kitchen match.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 7:03 pm
    @Altaru--You don`t know what you`re talking about. It would be nice to believe that one can willpower their way through anything, but our mental state is largely due to both the physical setup of the brain and the balance of chemicals in and around it.

    Those with depression (and many other mental illnesses) suffer from chemical imbalances that serve to alter their behavior in a way that they can`t control.

    Yes, they can control their physical body. They can resist the urge to commit suicide, or to act and speak in a destructive manner. But they can`t control the fact that they have an internal urge to do so. Their only option is to take medicine to help maintain their chemical balance, and undergo therapy to help train themselves to manage the urges they have.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:05 pm
    Nope..... maybe a bit jealous perhaps.
    K then, just wondering.
    Jealous? Of the rape ER or the rape EE? You a top or a bottom? lolz! It`s a joke dammit!

    Being "depressed" is an excuse for being too pathetic to actually fix your problems.
    Thank you HERR DOKTOR ALTARU! Your PHD is in the mail for solving the whole question of "depression".
    drat-tard.

    In reality: depression is caused by unknown chemical imbalances in the brain. So many factors `may contribute` to it that it currently has NO cause, NO cure and very limited treatment.
  67. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    If you can`t control yourself, then you`re nothing but an undisciplined animal.

    May as well start pissing on the carpet.

    Humanity doesn`t need dead weight that relies on a pill to get through the day.

    And, as a matter of fact, I HAVE dealt with someone who was diagnosed depressed. Very close friend of mine, actually. I helped them get over it, through sheer willpower alone. He ended up moving away, halfway across the country, but the lessons I taught him stuck and he`s living it up now.

    So yes, it can be controlled and even fixed. It just takes more than "gentle words of encouragement" to do it, contrary to those wuss psychologists. To be honest, I find that the "being gentle" method is even worse, because the person goes from simply being depressed to being depressed and feeling pathetic because everyone pities them.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
    3894 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    @5cats--I also bred fruit flies, and I still have my writeup on my computer...although I can`t say it`s terribly interesting. Mostly just giving examples of different types of genetic crossing, observable through differently inherited color-traits.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:10 pm
    I personally thank you @Squirrelz and @DrProfessor.
    It`s far from "easy" living with depression, and idiots who say "just cheer up!" are... harmful, to say the least.

    I am kinda sorry for this TMI (too much information) at IAB, but then again, I`ll take all the help I can get from whatever source, thanks!
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:11 pm
    Altaru, because I`m in a bad mood today, I`m just going to leave this with a fuck you. You obviously have no idea wtf you`re talking about.

    Squrlz, thank you and I hope so x_x It`s the only class I have right now that I`m struggling with. My prof rushes through everything and our notes are all over the place. I scored better than average on the last test though (average was less than 40%) so I know I`m not the only one who`s lost most of the time :|

    (now if I can get this post to work properly this time...)
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    April 3, 2012 at 7:13 pm
    @5Cats: Sadly, no extant data. That was long ago: more than two decades, in fact. I do, however, retain vivid memories of it all, which you might enjoy.

    (1) Since we were using the fruit flies to study genetics, that involved breeding them. And the little buggers have such an accelerated life cycle that you had to intervene within a narrow window of opportunity after they hatched or they`d be a mating frenzy and you`d get genetic strains you didn`t want. Consequently, for a period of several weeks, I had to dutifully report to the lab every 4, 5 or 6 hours and frequently this would be at some insane hour. If you missed that window of opportunity and slept though the alarm, weeks of research could go down the drain. So for a period of about two months, my life was RULED by those little buggers. I can still remember walking across campus many nights, coffee in hand, in my own personal fog, at 3:15 am.

    (cont`d next post)
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:16 pm
    (cont`d)

    (2) Once in the lab, I`d have to sort the newly-hatched flies under a microscope. Flies with Trait A went into one container, flies with Trait B into another. We had this chemical that would knock the fruit flies out for about 5 minutes before they`d start waking up again. So for about 4 minutes, I`d be peering into a microscope and sorting feverishly before they came to life again, like miniature re-animated zombies.

    Ahhhh, good times... LOL.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:17 pm
    @5cats--I also bred fruit flies, and I still have my writeup on my computer...
    LINK! LINK! (you too @Squirrelz) I love fruit fly DNA studies! Really I do! I`m a science geek that way, eh?
    If you like, I`ll post my e-mail and you can send it there. I`ll just delete that post tomorrow.
    @Altaru: I`ll deal with you in a moment...
  74. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 7:17 pm
    I`m tired of this. Some worthless thug got shot and now some half Mexican, half whitey is being accused of shooting the thug. Who gives a poo? Yea, it sucks for the family and friends of this kid, but let`s be honest here, looking at his track record and facebook/twitter accounts, he probably wasn`t going to have a positive impact on society anyways. So I don`t really see why you guys are making such a big deal over this. Treyvon is dead. Zimmerman`s life is pretty much ruined anyways(Thanks for taking justice into your own hands, media!), so I don`t see why him going to prison is going to make a big difference anyways.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 7:17 pm
    @Squrlz4sale--sounds like we did a similar experiment. Again, 5Cats I do have my data if you want me to send it to you somewhere.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
    3894 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    Sent the file. In retrospect, I probably just coulda put it up as a public GoogleDoc for anyone to view. In fact, I`ll do that...

    Here it is
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:24 pm
    ivran: how was T-Dog a thug? he was going home from the store with a pack of skittles to resume babysitting...

    last time i checked thugs liked Snickers...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:27 pm
    @ivran: Don`t forget Zimmerman is a JEEEEEW!
    And Sharpton, he hates them thar jews!

    @LillianDulci: Thanks for your kind words, I truely respect your "different opinion" and when you criticise me? Ouchie! It smarts!

    @Altaru: Dead to me. Sadly, I could often see what you were talking about in your posts, even though I disagreed. I though you and I were not all that far apart in opinion. BUT you`ve proven yourself to be unworthy of my attention. Good bye!
    He ended up moving away, halfway across the country
    Gee, I wonder why? To escape from YOU perhaps?
    It is true: arious methods of treatment can have a positive effect on the depressed person. But to claim that "one size fits all" is beyond stupid.
    Bye now!
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:27 pm
    @collegebound
    Firstly, it`s T-Tugz, not T-dog. Secondly, his twitter name was quite thuggish and the things he said on twitter were quite thuggish. His pictures on facebook were also quite thuggish. He has also been suspended from school several times, which is a total thug move. I`m not saying these things PROVE he was a thug, but... I think it`s a fair assumption for me to make.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:27 pm
    ivran: seriously...what newspaper do you read?
  81. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:27 pm
    T-Thugz*
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 3, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    still carrying this on... i cant wait for the movie for this
  83. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    @collegebound I don`t read a singular newspaper or any singular news source for that matter. It`s whatever is more easily available at the time. I don`t have a scheduled time for reading. I`ve been fairly busy these last couple of years.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:29 pm
    @Professor: Nice work. Looking it over brought back memories and yes, so far as I remember it, we were doing essentially the same study.

    Must sleep all; work tomorrow. `Nite! ~waves paw~
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:30 pm
    "arious" = "various"

    Hey! @collegbound: since I`m in a REALY mushy mood: I like many of your postings, too bad we don`t see "eye to eye" eh?

    T-Dog had: tattoos, drugs and a gangsta twitter name. Hardly a "normal" boy...
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:31 pm



    so im a thug? id say thats pretty thuggish...ive got others...i graduated high school early and im FINALLY in college and doing well for myself...but because i eat skittles, drink tea, and ride the penny ride at my local Meijer i should just go get shot by someone...
  87. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:32 pm
    It`s far from "easy" living with depression, and idiots who say "just cheer up!" are... harmful, to say the least.
    I`m not saying "just cheer up."

    I`m saying "get the fu­ck over yourself, or get it all over with already."

    Only YOU can control YOU. YOU can move mountains, but not if YOU think it`s impossible before you begin.

    It`s not an easy process, and at forty years old I doubt you have the energy or time to expend on it, but one can change themselves, very pillars of their being. But only if they refuse to simply accept what they are, and actively pursue what they wish to be.

    A man`s life is struggle, against himself and against the world. Giving in against brain chemistry just doesn`t make any sense to me, because as far as I`m concerned, it`s just another struggle against yourself.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    5Cats: i enjoy our "back-and-forths" too :) and tbh i couldn`t really care less about anything that i argue for or against. i just like to pick a side and argue for it. i could just as easily take up your side and make some compelling arguments id bet.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:34 pm
    @collegebound You don`t look like a thug, just a dumbass in my opinion. Also, "being in college" != "doing well for yourself." I know quite a bit of ass-pooters in college.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    ivran: I look BAWS thank you very much :|.

    kids these days man...no sense of humor...
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:38 pm
    @collegebound
    Lol, I`m almost positive that I`m older than you, man. It`s more like kids these days have a different sense of humor than adults...
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:40 pm
    ivran: 23 good sir :) you probably are older than me. id provide identification if it weren`t for "Stranger Danger".
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:41 pm
    Hummm, this is a night of amazing revelations!

    @Altaru: what you say can sometimes be true. That sort of "uberman" philosophy helps some, not me unfortunatly.

    @collegebound: That`s you? Handsom fellow indeed! lolz! Leather jackets? I have a few, a dozen, OK a lot of them! lolz!
  94. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:42 pm
    @collegebound Why does your profile say you`re 20 then? Seems silly to lie to make yourself look younger. I totally wouldn`t never ever do that!
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:47 pm
    ivran: the key words to my last response to you are "Stranger Danger" :|

    5Cats: Why thank you good sir :D leather jackets are awesome are they not?
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:50 pm
    Wow that was pathetic. It`s clearly Trayvon`s voice screaming. You don`t need an expert to tell you that, let alone 6 minutes of time from millions of people.

    America, your media sucks and your police are racists. But you already knew that....
  97. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:50 pm
    @5Cats no problem 8D What he`s saying hits home too though. He`s clearly ignorant on the subject and it`s not really worthwhile to continue discussing it w/ him imo ^^

    @collegebound you look badass... on that... little kids ride :P
  98. Profile photo of collegebound
    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    LillianDulci: RIGHT? ppl be trippin` yo...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:53 pm
    @collegebound: Love the leather! Not in that bad way or anything...

    I have: red, blue, tan, brown, white, tassled, long and short jackets! Oh one or two black ones, lolz! (see that`s a funny, the majority of my jacket collection is black leather, eh?)

    It`s a hobby, and I always say it`s nice to have a hobby!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:54 pm
    Wow! Two whole f***ing EXPERTS? Well, I guess that seals it.

    Lynch Zimmerman! Lynch Zimmerman! Lynch Zimmerman!
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    5Cats: :o nice nice. tbh i dont even have that jacket anymore :( and i like hoodies more (not even joking >.< )
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:01 pm
    @collegebound You better watch out. Zimmerman is hunting you hoods. He`ll chase you in his truck and then shoot ya!
  103. Profile photo of collegebound
    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:03 pm
    ivran: its okay. i dont have enough good luck for that to happen...thanks for the concern though :D
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:03 pm
    @OldOllie: HEY! That`s enough to "prove" global warming, what`s wrong with you?

    @collegebound: OK, not a leather freak lolz! Me neither... honest... just a collector! Yeah! That`s it!
  105. Profile photo of collegebound
    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    5Cats: Right! Collection!


  106. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    LMAO!
    Darn skippy! I collect lots of stuff!

    I`m a cat-person, but also a pack-rat by nature...
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    "but because i eat skittles, drink tea, and ride the penny ride at my local Meijer i should just go get shot by someone..."

    Do you put MILK in your tea, because then we might be justified in ending your poor-decision filled life.
  108. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:32 pm
    That sort of "uberman" philosophy helps some, not me unfortunatly.
    Then what WILL help, hmm?

    Because tossing back a battery of pills every morning isn`t solving a problem, it`s putting a band-aid on a festering wound.

    You`re the only person that can look into yourself and figure out what it`ll take to change yourself. Have you considered changing locations? Warm weather and sunshine can do wonders on the human psyche compared to Canadian weather (even from the chemical POV)...

    I just can`t stand people who prefer band-aids to solutions. And solutions exist to every problem, I don`t care what those people who play around in your head for your money want to tell you.

    You`re the only person who can understand yourself, which means you`re the only person who can figure out what`s wrong with yourself, which means you`re the only person who can change yourself.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2012 at 8:42 pm
    leesah: Im`a gangsta so lets assume i do >:|
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 8:51 pm
    @leesah There`s nothing wrong with putting a little milk in hot tea for breakfast, bitch.
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 9:15 pm
    "Im`a gangsta so lets assume i do"

    I should have known. Milk in tea, using the same knife for the peanut butter and the jelly, filling your fountain drink cup with more ice than soda, you people are awful.
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    Lardcarcass Male 40-49
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    April 3, 2012 at 9:36 pm
    Earl grey with milk & honey is where it`s at!
  113. Profile photo of Lardcarcass
    Lardcarcass Male 40-49
    254 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 9:41 pm
    And as long as you spread the jelly first. Damn, I hate it when people contaminate jelly with that faint odour and flavour of peanut butter.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 9:47 pm
    @Lardcarcass Earl Grey isn`t that good. I usually like a lighter, unflavored black tea with milk in the morning.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2345 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 9:49 pm
    the screaming you hear IS NOT zimmerman, PROVEN.

    the screaming sounds like a kid not a grown man.

    Zimmeman not only shot this kid but beat him before he did.

    the person heard screaming on that phone was screaming for his life and then it ended.

    that phone call was the last sounds that martin made before we heard the gun shot which killed him.

    zimmerman is a cold blooded racist murderer.

    he should be on trail.
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    Black tea is the worst thing anyone has ever brewed. Chai and rooibos are delicious.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 10:00 pm
    leesah: "using the same knife for the peanut butter and the jelly," JESUS WOMAN I SAID I WAS GANSTA NOT A PSYCHOPATH! WASSWRONGWITCHU?!?!?
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 10:26 pm
    *sigh*

    After calming down, a little introspection, and carefully weighing my options...

    5Cats... I apologize. I was wrong.

    I may not be able to understand the concept, but that doesn`t give me the right to treat you as sub-human because of something like that. (Your politics are more than enough.)(Couldn`t resist.)

    I can`t understand the concept, and that ends up pissing me off. And, like a dumbass, I say some pretty bad things when I`m like that.

    I won`t beg forgiveness. It`s up to you whether to give that to me.

    But I will admit my mistake.
  119. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 10:32 pm
    @Leesah...

    What`s wrong with milk in tea?

    Milk goes good with just about anything.

    Unless you`re lactose intolerant. Then it only goes good with Mexican food, since you`re already gonna have most of the symptoms anyway...
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    2L84ME Male 18-29
    208 posts
    April 3, 2012 at 11:34 pm
    Black tea with a little cream is the best thing in this world.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
    2737 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 12:07 am
    Horse apples
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 12:13 am
    jamie: Which trail, the Oregon trail, Appalachian trail, Santa Fe trail ?

    If you`re going to troll, at least learn to spell correctly.
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    vegascartman Male 30-39
    735 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 1:30 am
    Just so we`re all clear, this is being reported by the same "news" agency that doctored the original audio and then ran with it.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14622 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 1:58 am
    "Can IAB please stop with all this Treyvon crap? Its like watching gossip in high school, except its a sick sideshow about how many times you can spin a man`s death."

    It may not make for entertaining content, but it gets hits and comments like nothing else (you and I are feeding it by commenting). They`re going to keep milking it till the execution.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 3:49 am
    Draculya: I highly doubt they`ll be an `execution`.

    It`s more likely that another story or stories will distract people and people will slowly forget. Our nations attention span is usually measured in minutes these days.

    I believe by July people will be so distracted by other things, few will care about this incident anymore.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 5:46 am
    @swoop408 , encouraging someone to kill themselves is never acceptable or funny, however, I would like to encourage you to repeatedly punch yourself in the face you stupid stupid man.
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    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
    886 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 6:03 am
    The article I read the other day said the scream was a 48% match to Zimmerman.

    Wow...what technological marvels we have today...we can narrow it down to 50/50 basically...

    Why not just flip a coin and go with that result because it is just about as accurate as their "voice analysis"....

    Seriously, anyone who thinks they know what happened or demands justice for someone before the facts are out is delusional.

  128. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 6:05 am
    More proof in support of Trayvon and Zimmerman defenders are still defending. The right really has an issue with being on the wrong side of every issue.
  129. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 7:07 am
    @madest This isn`t proof of anything. It won`t even be used in the court case as evidence. It`s just media desperately trying to milk the story.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36668 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 7:20 am

    5Cats "You a top or a bottom?"
    There is only one way you will find that out so you
    better ask yourself, just how badly do you want to know?
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    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
    625 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 7:21 am
    This is still news because....?
  132. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 7:33 am
    @leesah Rooibos is disgusting. Chai is alright, but if you don`t like black tea then you aren`t a real tea drinker.
  133. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 8:07 am
    using the same knife for the peanut butter and the jelly
    @leesah: I`m just a rebel! A wild man! Livin on the edge... (lolz!)

    just how badly do you want to know?
    eeep! Not that wild! Don`t want to know at all actually, it got typed by accident...

    @Altaru: Ok, you`re alive to me again. I get grumpy late at night, eh? What you`re saying is basicly true, I`m the one who needs to find an answer.
  134. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 9:17 am
    So then... Am I the only one here who prefers a good Green Tea?

    And does it make me a blasphemer to like an Arnold Palmer more than straight tea?
  135. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 9:25 am
    @Altaru: Ok, you`re alive to me again.
    Alright, thanks. I don`t know what I`d do if I couldn`t argue with you on here. It`s the highlight of many a boring work night.

    I get grumpy late at night, eh?
    Well, I think you had good reason to. I WAS being kind of an asshat.

    What you`re saying is basicly true, I`m the one who needs to find an answer.
    I hope you can, I really do. Everyone has the right to find happiness in their life, regardless of what some chemical in their head says.


    NOW, with THAT out of the way... Let`s get back to arguing over the case.

    I still say, even from listening to the audio clips of that call, it sounded like a younger man`s voice. However... I still wouldn`t trust the audio analysis, because I don`t know the science, but I can already see a million variables that could cause problems.
  136. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 9:30 am
    ivran: Black tea is a bit too bitter for my taste and I drink a lot of tea, mostly iced tea.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 9:35 am
    5Cats: Having suffered through two bouts of severe depression, I feel for ya. It sucks. Group Counseling helped me tremendously, that and good friends.

    I wish you well on the road to recovery.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 9:37 am
    5Cats: Also, one more thing, fill your day with good music and mentally sing along with it. :-)
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6171 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 10:06 am
    Mogulman-" I get it, some white guy shot a black guy"

    Which story are you following? There`s no `white guy` involved in this incident. Just an African-American and a registered Democrat hispanic.

    ivran-"nothing wrong with putting a little milk in hot tea"

    Only ONE kind of tea! Sweet-Iced Tea! Anyone who drinks hot tea probably puts sugar in their cornbread, too (horrors). That`s one of the things I enjoy about living in The South. Best food in the world.

    madest-"More proof"

    No `proof` of anything.

    madest-"The right really has an issue with being on the wrong side"

    So, wanting the a person`s innocence or guilt to be determined by the facts, the law and the legal system as opposed to the court of public opinion and biased media is `the wrong side`?
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 10:41 am
    MeGrendel, he`s biracial, so calling him hispanic is just as wrong as calling him white.

    Altaru, I prefer green tea too :P
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    chalket Male 50-59
    2712 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 11:20 am
    To those of you screaming about the eyewitnesses (5cats, crackr, I`m lookin` at you!) may I remind you that eyewitness testimony is notoriously suspect and memory is notoriously fallible. The Innocence Project has exonerated more than 200 prisoners wrongly convicted by incorrect eyewitness testimony.
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
    2377 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 11:31 am
    ya so meanwhile, 2 black punks beat a 50 year old white guy to near death with a hammer.. oh and your country going to the poo hole.. but lets not worry about any of that because an unfortunate series of events led to someone being shot... because the cops don`t do that every dratin day!!!!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 11:40 am
    the screaming sounds like a kid not a grown man.

    If that was actually true (and you`re saying it, so I`ll assume that it isn`t true), then the screaming would have to be from an unknown third person since neither of them were a kid.

    You`re a determined, deliberate and devout racist. Your opinion on the matter is worthless.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 11:49 am
    Thanks @yusuksomuch, @Crakr & you too @Altaru!

    Too much caffine is bad for me, I have to drink herbal tea. Decaffinated tea tastes weird.

    @LillianDulci: Obama is white? lolz! This is why the MSM has `whitened` Zimmerman`s picture, make him appear more white.

    @chalket: It can be, that`s true, which is why all the other evidence should be taken into account as well. Pretend analysis isn`t proof of anything though.

    witness > junk science
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    That`s one of the things I enjoy about living in The South. Best food in the world.
    Well that`s the way Paula Deen saw it...
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    5Cats, it`s just as accurate to call Obama white as it is to call him black.
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    SethDog Male 18-29
    768 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    So has this site turned into a Zimmerman trial? Seriously enough of this poo already.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6171 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    LillianDulci-"MeGrendel, he`s biracial, so calling him hispanic is just as wrong as calling him white."

    HE lists HIMSELF as `Hispanic` on official forms, and also a `Democrat`.

    Who are you to argue?

    LillianDulci-"it`s just as accurate to call Obama white as it is to call him black."

    I don`t see anyone, even HIMSELF, calling him `white`.

    Things Obama is known for:
    First black president of the Harvard Law Review (why would they specify the `Black` and not the `White`?)
    First African American President. (no mention of White President there)
    Member of the Congressional Black Caucus (no mention of White Caucus there)
    Attended meetings of the National Association of Black Journalists (no mention of Association of White journalists there)
    He attended a black liberation church (not a white liberation church)

    I think it`s pretty definite that he considers himself `Black`, and not `White`.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 3:56 pm
    Lillian: Unfortunately the `Jim Crow` laws set the definition as `one drop of blood`, meaning that if even one ancestor was black then you were black.

    However, most all people don`t go by that anymore. Under American Indian standards I could claim to be one and join my great grandfather`s tribe, but I won`t. I believe it`s left up to the individual to decide how they want to be identified now, within limits.
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    Lardcarcass Male 40-49
    254 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 6:35 pm
    Is hispanic a race?

    Arnold Palmer with a splash of Jack is the most refreshing thing in the whole damn world!
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    Arnold Palmer with a splash of Jack is the most refreshing thing in the whole damn world!
    I prefer vodka, to be honest.

    I like that it adds a kick without overpowering the flavor of the rest of the mix.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 4, 2012 at 10:32 pm
    MeGrendel: None of that changes the fact that Obama is biracial. His mother was CLEARLY white and his father CLEARLY black. It isn`t his fault that he wasn`t accepted into society as much as he should have because his parents knew how to love each other. The same goes for Zimmerman. He can list himself as what ever he wants to. What does his birth certificate say?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 5, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    This Analysis Is BAD
    Even a simple "fact check" by the Media would show that. Obviosly, pushing a false agenda is more important than telling the truth.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32817 posts
    April 5, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    What does his birth certificate say?
    It says: Born In Kenya!
    Bwaaaahahahahaha!

    Really, if he (Zimmerman) is "latino in appearance" then he`s latino.

    Please note the MSM has been "whitening" his pictures, eh? You can easily tell by the colour of his shirt: they`ve been altered.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    April 5, 2012 at 3:16 pm
    Like I said, It takes time to fake evidence...Give `em time.

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