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Woman Dragged From Hospital Dies In Jail


She was at the hospital in pain and unable to stand or leave so they arrested her for trespassing. Story in credit link

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  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    March 29, 2012 at 2:13 pm
    Link: Woman Dragged From Hospital Dies In Jail - She was at the hospital in pain and unable to stand or leave so they arrested her for trespassing. Story in credit link
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    wow seriously drat the police
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    hyeonkim0805 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    You mean "dragged" out of the hospital.
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:15 pm
    unreal
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:26 pm
    Hospital to blame, Dr. Gets the lawsuit
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    derrp Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:26 pm
    i cant even concentrate on the story..honestly you think the past tense of `drag` is `drug`? FOR SERIOUS?
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    Beauxner Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:27 pm
    So if the cops refused to arrest her initially because she hadn`t received proper treatment, why did they arrest her later? I`d like to know more about what went on between the police and hospital staff.
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    krifle2 Female 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:28 pm
    Such a clusterdrat.
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    Wowummwow Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:28 pm
    The police were simply doing the job they were called to do. The hospital was the one that said she was in perfect health and called for her to be hauled off.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:29 pm
    That happened here in Troy, New York. Nice huh?
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:38 pm
    Conclusion -- the entire system failed her and should be held accountable.

    Basic trained EMT`s know this stuff. How does this happen? Wtf?
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    junkaroo Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    REVOLT already. How much suffering will you Americans tolerate from your fellow citisen, before you stand up and say WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS, NOT CATTLE, AND YOU WILL RESPECT US AGAIN AS YOU ARE MEANT TO.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    Junkaroo, I agree, but how do you propose getting an entire country of 300+ million people stretched across 3000+ miles to revolt together?
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    Wowummwow, is the hospital told them to shoot her, does that mean it`s fine to do it? The police are the ones who are expected to make those kinds of judgements.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:49 pm
    Yea the whole "the police were just doing their jobs" line is such a load of poo.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    The police are the ones who are expected to make those kinds of judgements.

    No, the police are not expected to make medical judgements. Nor should they be, as they are not at all qualified to do so.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    @Wowummwow, er, that`s not how the police work. Their job is to make that kind of judgment call. They`re not hired security guards who will do whatever they`re asked to do. If I don`t like my neighbor, I can`t call the cops and just have him arrested because I told them to do it.
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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    March 29, 2012 at 7:03 pm
    derrp First- there is a character count in our titles so by using drug instead of dragged saved me the title basically.
    Now...on dragged Vs drug
    Using “drug” as the past tense of “drag” is a dialect common to people who live in the southern United States.
    The OED lists a separate verb to drug (meaning to drag). If nothing else, then the use of "drug" as the past tense of drag represents a fusion of two separate words that also has produced pairs like go-went (the original past tense of go changed to "went" which was the past tense of "to wend" and be-was. However, I think it was simply a split in pronunciation and thus a vowel change due to a lack of standards since English had superseded by Norman French and Latin.
    The verb to drug (meaning to drag) shows up in literature to c1250 in "Lofsong Lefdi".OED also states: drug also occurs as a past tense and past participle form of drag v. in nonstandard use
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    champbronc4 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 7:03 pm
    Dang bros.. if you read the article.. it is what it is. an unfortunate situation that honestly couldnt be avoided :/ nobody in that situation wanted her to die.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 29, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    SNAFU
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 7:08 pm
    @champbronc4, did you read the same article I did? There were many opportunities for this to be avoided, starting with the judge who put her on the street because she was mentally ill. Like swoop408 said, the entire system failed her. From beginning to end.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 7:14 pm
    I fail to see how this is the police fault. It`s the hospital`s fault, and for people who think it`s the police`s judgement call, if the hospital is privately owned and they asked for her to be removed then the police have no choice in the matter.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 7:16 pm
    @ivran, it`s not so much the removal part as it is the part where they ignored the fact that she was in excruciating pain, dragged her into a jail cell, and left her lying on the floor unable to breathe.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    @zombunny
    Okay, well that is pretty bad. I guess it depends on what the hospital told them though. If I were a cop and a doctor told me someone was fine, I would most likely have faith in them.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 7:26 pm
    Why the drat wasn`t she treated?
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 7:27 pm
    What it comes down to is that the hospital staff and police saw a mentally ill homeless woman and decided to dismiss her own judgment and ignore her pleas for help, and now she is dead. In this country, the mentally ill are second class citizens. They simply don`t count. Instead of being given the help she needed from the beginning when her life began to deteriorate, she was shoved out of the way. Marginalized. Forgotten. Left to die alone on the floor of a jail cell.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 29, 2012 at 7:51 pm
    @junkaroo they are already revolting.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    The death squads we heard so much about
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    stell Female 40-49
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    March 29, 2012 at 7:56 pm
    I could see maybe one doctor making a mistake, but she came back to the hospital many times according to the story. How could they all ignore her complaints? It`s not incompetence, they couldn`t all be incompetent. It`s lack of compassion and a complete disregard for the poor and homeless. It`s like they`re not people, but a subhuman class.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    @Draculya Not really.
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    Kleion Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    I have to say, I can`t (completely) blame the police in this situation; they aren`t medical experts, they had no way of knowing. Obviously their medical official is incompetent and/or lazy. The doctors involved are the ones at fault, here. That much is clear. You`re saying she`s in agony and can`t so much as stand, yet you think she`s okay? Even if she`s faking it, it`s better safe than, well, THIS. This was professional negligence on the part of the doctors, plain and simple. The whole situation is NOT something we should just roll over and agree to having been unavoidable. This is unacceptable, period, and hospitals need to know that! Hospitals, you`re HOSPITALS. HUMAN LIFE IS IN YOUR HANDS. Don`t be so careless with it! Uhg! What a horrible way to die.
  32. Profile photo of SlothOfDoom
    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:05 pm
    Who done drug her, ya`ll?
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    I don`t understand why she was on the streets if she was mentally ill.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:17 pm
    @Kleion
    It had nothing to do with incompetence. It happened because she had no money and was homeless.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:18 pm
    Well homeless means no health care, so I`m surprised they even talked to her. At least here in Canada they have to look at you. I have really bad pains in my bowels almost every day, the first few times I went to the emergency they didn`t care, but they ran the tests at least. That sucks that she couldn`t get the help she needed.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:19 pm
    "It`s lack of compassion and a complete disregard for the poor and homeless. It`s like they`re not people, but a subhuman class."

    This. However, I`d suggest this lack of compassion is to a far lesser, almost nonexistent, state with the police than it is with they medical industry. From what I`ve seen, police are generally considerate to the homeless. Pretty sure it has a lot to do with the ego, and the fact that most homeless have very little ego to speak of to clash with the inflated ego most cops have.

    Medical industry, however, is driven by profit like most of the rest of the world. To most of the rest of the world, there is no profit in treating the homeless like humans.
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    Kleion Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:23 pm
    @ivran
    To me, not helping someone because they have no money or are mentally ill IS a form of incompetence.
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    Lebowski42 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    In the united states the emergency room has to treat any patient who comes in. If anyone is at fault it is the Doc who missed something in his assessment. If you think they should`t remove indigent people from the hospital head down to the nearest county hospital and check out the emergency room in the evening (I have seen people try and set up camp at Harborview)
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    @ivran
    To me, not helping someone because they have no money or are mentally ill IS a form of incompetence.
    That`s capitalism.

    There`s no profit in it, why should they be bothered?
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    @Kleion It`s a form of moral incompetence, but not professional. The medical industry IS a business.

    @Scuzoid Yea, I don`t know why people like to bitch about the police so much. Sure, you`re pissed at them when they peg you for something, but I sure as hell am glad they around when something bad happens. I think one of the difference is that
    A) Doctors make way more money than police do, so you have a good bit of doctors that are just in it for the money and not in it for helping people.
    and
    B) The medical industry makes profit off of aiding people. The police don`t really get anything for doing what they do other than their general paycheck.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    Also, the system might suck and seem unfair, but unless you have a solution to the problems, there is really no point in complaining about it, as nothing can be done without a thought-out, well-executed solution.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    @Lebowski42
    And yes, she should have been taken to the ER. It`s the doctor`s fault, really.
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    Kleion Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:35 pm
    @Altaru
    Oh, I`m well aware. However, I maintain that in my humble opinion, they`re horrible people who don`t deserve to be doctors. In an ideal world, they wouldn`t be. But alas, unless we find a cure for human nature, it looks like this is the best we can expect from people. In the end, I suppose it`s just a shame that people with no excuse of mental illness themselves are capable of being so cold to one another. It`s anger-inducing, sometimes.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 8:48 pm
    @Kleion
    It`s the way the world turns. Despicable human beings aren`t something of modern times. Hell, looking at some ancient cultures, it could even be argued that humanity has gotten bettered. I don`t believe it for a second, though.
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    I cant say I fully understand the dynamics of the US health care system... but im sure that regulation and privatization of the systemwouldhelp...on the downside way too many US citizens are fat lazy unemployed and generally fail at personal upkeep, would expect a rescue.


    I still say the cost of wealth should be shorter life span. fair yes?
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    KR_Zanki Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    ..sickening.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 9:16 pm
    "It`s a form of moral incompetence, but not professional. The medical industry IS a business. "

    It is professional incompetence when your profession is being a doctor. It`s the duty of doctors to treat people not to turn them away without at the very least testing to make sure it`s not life threatening. My mom had a life threatening condition (still has it, but it`s being treated) and she almost died this winter. We had to take her to the ER and the first thing they did was began testing her. They didn`t say "oh you`re too broke and don`t have insurance so we`re not even going to bother to figure out what`s wrong with you when you`ve been in excruciating pain for days and you can`t even stand up for a few seconds without getting sick". They tested her heart beat, saw is was 270 BPM, and began treating her immediately. It`s incompetence if they don`t AT LEAST test people before turning them away.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    And anyone who can see something like this and still be against a public option for health care are truly heartless :/
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 29, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    `It`s the way the world turns." No, but it`s certainly true of America.

    Here, you get top quality healthcare in government hospitals. They would have charged her the standard ER flat rate of $12, unless she couldn`t afford that; they`d have treated her anyway.

    Do we pay for it in taxes? No we have some of the lowest taxes in the world. Last year, I paid no tax like 90% of us here ... and was given $900 free, as was every resident over 18.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 9:30 pm
    Lillian, it`s government-run healthcare that causes this! This was just a sneak preview of the death-dealing death panels to come.
  51. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 9:33 pm
    @LillianDulci
    A public option for healthcare wouldn`t have changed this. I agree that the healthcare system should be reformed, but acting on one situation is an emotional act and not a practical one. You can`t base the healthcare system of a massive nation on what happened to one person. Honestly, why a mentally ill person was not institutionalized(which if she were, they would have provided the necessary medical aid), since it would seem that her illness prevented her from functioning in society(as is seen by her lack of home and job). Don`t forget that the medicine, equipment, and hard work that go in to the medical industry don`t grow on trees. There is no way full and equal healthcare could ever be provided to every citizen of the United States. Should at least basic health care be provided? Probably. However, people will always die as a result of the system, whether it be because they don`t have enough money, have to wait too long for an operation, or etc. It sucks, but it`s
  52. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 9:33 pm
    what we`re stuck with.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 9:41 pm
    "This was just a sneak preview of the death-dealing death panels to come."
    For peace of mind, I`m going to assume you`re trolling.

    I`d respond to ivran but I have things to do early tomorrow morning and don`t have time right now, need sleep :/
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    DinVen Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 9:54 pm
    @AvatarJohn FOX News, Limbaugh, Palin and the likes has taught you well. First of all congrats on stringing together your ignorant and paranoid thoughts into a sentence. It`s obvious that you posses zero knowledge on public health care. Idiocy like this is grown by fear and instigated by people with lucrative financial interests who could care less about the general public`s need for proper health care.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 9:56 pm
    @DinVen It was sarcasm. Dear God, how dense could someone be?
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    faustusflux Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 10:04 pm
    @LillianDulci
    http://i.imgur.com/FypDp.jpg
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 10:19 pm
    They drating left her on the floor.
    How much drating trouble would it be for them to put her on the bed. So angry I cried. Barbarians.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 10:22 pm
    "So angry I cried."
    You might be emotionally unstable. I would tell you to seek help, but I`m not really one to trust practicers of pseudoscience.
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    logie2007 Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2012 at 10:37 pm
    Drug??? DRUG??? It`s dragged.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 10:42 pm
    Drug??? DRUG??? It`s dragged.
    Character limit. It`s a bitch, even for us Mods.
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 10:53 pm
    Yesterday in Germany I went to go and see my company doctor (as in the one that`s permanently employed by DHL at their global head office). She listened to my complaints of heart murmurs, then ran a full ECG scan on the spot. Nothing was found. All of this for free btw, without a prior appointment.

    She told me I need to go and see a local family doctor next - the nearest to me happens to be 50 metres from my flat. If necessary, he will then refer me to a Cardiologist - there`s an English speaking one in my city of 350,000 Germans. Perhaps I need to have a 24 hr visit to a hospital, to carry out a non stop test. He`s also gonna have to carry out a battery of blood tests.

    Now all of this second bit I pay for, through public insurance on my gross salary. I get the average salary, so I pay just under 10% of my gross salary for health cover, or $405 per month. That covers me for everything I`d need, right up to brain surgery or quadruple heart bypasses. America`s
  62. Profile photo of evanbartlett
    evanbartlett Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 10:55 pm
    These threads seem to be snuff films of reason. The valid argument for universal health care: 45000 Americans die every year from lack of basic healthcare due to lack of insurance. The valid argument against universal health care: the onslaught of sick people will force care to ration, meaning that overall care can diminish. Arguments about how this woman`s care would have been worse (eg: invoking `death panels`) if universal healthcare were maintained are both baseless and nonsensical. The reason she was not admitted was because she did not have the financial means to pay for the care, whether through insurance or otherwise. The best correlation to the universal health care model is to that of the public defense industry. Seeking better representation for a fee will always be an option. If that option does not exist for a person, universal healthcare provides some degree of protection to ensure basic well-being.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 10:59 pm
    I`m not sure I understand american`s resistance to government healthcare. You guys are aware the US already has an exceptionally well constructed free medical system in place right? The first time I tried to go to see a doctor after I left the military was probably the most frustrating process I`ve dealt with in my transition from military to civilian. Really, the government is fully capable of determining resource needs to supply medical aid to our country.

    I`m not lying either. I had no problems talking to brown people who could`ve been muslim once I left after having killed dozens, but going to a doctor for an inguinal hernia made me want to choke people.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 29, 2012 at 11:00 pm
    "Character limit. It`s a bitch, even for us Mods."

    Not to mention inappropriate use of caps.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 11:05 pm
    @Scuzoid
    It`s not really as much of a resistance as it is the fact that our elected politicians don`t do poo.
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    KtySpix Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 11:10 pm
    Because `merica!
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    KitFox Female 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 11:26 pm
    So f* ckin` sad. What is wrong with us?
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    albion3000 Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2012 at 11:46 pm
    Sick country America..and they have the cheek to talk about the slack human rights of other nations!
    Sort your own poo-hole of a country out before slagging off others.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2012 at 11:46 pm
    @ivran
    I tend to get "emotionally unstable" when I see authority figures disregard a persons medical conditions, place her on the hard floor of a cell where she is unable to get up and later dies.
    You might not give a drat, but that`s as much if not more of a problem.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    March 30, 2012 at 12:20 am
    It starts with losing her job, her kids because of no WATER..... how is that legal?? Liberal socialism - but America thinks that is wrong- and by default that this is okay...
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    Izaq Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2012 at 12:31 am
    Home of the free(tm)!

    Remember to vote Republican next time! Don`t want that evil healthcare system comming to snatch your tax dollars now do we?
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    KingVandal Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2012 at 12:32 am
    hearing stuff like this upsets me.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2012 at 2:14 am
    A few Americans have spoken up and said they found this appalling, but the impression I get is by and large the Americans feel this is her lot for being poor and infirm, because the alternative is to pay more taxes to support the needy... and this is supposed to be a `Christian` nation. Well, that says volumes about the American brand of Christianity. Where`s the frickin` compassion and charity?

    I certainly wouldn`t have called the cops over to evict her; I wouldn`t have dumped a sick woman on a cell floor to die and I doubt any good atheist would.

    America, you are welcome to your delusions and fantasies about gods and fairies, but show some care in your fellow citizens, for /the love of Christ/ (pun intended).

    "Remember to vote Republican next time! Don`t want that evil healthcare system comming to snatch your tax dollars now do we?"

    That`s asking a lot, between the tycoon Mormon and the religious loon. At least Obama demonstrates more car
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    SoCal Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2012 at 2:43 am
    I am American, I have health care because I have a job. I work for a living. I am healthy because i work and i work out to stay fit. If i have a problem then I go to the doctor or the emergency room. I am not political I just do what I have to to survive. This obese woman obviously did not. Imagine if she was in the "wild" (like the jungle) she would not survive a day. Survival of the fittest btches.
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    inversegrav Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2012 at 2:54 am
    The reason I do not want the govenment making the health care decisions for me is because this situation was made possible by the laws passed by the govenment that will be running my healthcare.

    People seriously think it is a good idea to have the same people in charge of the DMV in carge of healthcare?

    Republicans and Christians never said there wasn`t anything wrong with how things are. We know there are problems. We know they need fixed. What is pissing me off is the fact that since we dont think the govenment is the answer, you people here (Izac and Draculya for example) interpret our disapproval of government as approval of this poo.

    The reason I side with Republicans in this debate is my solid belief that there is no problem that exists that govenment involvement will not make worse.
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    jeepjones Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2012 at 3:33 am
    This is what happens when MONEY is put BEFORE HUMAN DECENCY! CONGRATS AMERICA!
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2012 at 4:02 am
    @SoCal

    "Survival of the fittest btches."

    Try Somalia if you truly want to live like that.

    But whilst sat safe inside the nest of civilisation`s construct, you cannot claim to be living like that in any way, shape or form.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2012 at 4:12 am
    @ivran

    "You might be emotionally unstable. I would tell you to seek help..."

    Getting angry and crying because your coffee is a little bit too bitter = emotionally unstable.

    Getting angry and crying because a fellow human being was mistreated and ultimately died in tragic and wholly avoidable circumstances = being a human being.

    Just to clear that up for you.
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    simbha Male 30-39
    412 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 4:29 am
    SoCal: "I am not political I just do what I have to to survive. This obese woman obviously did not. Imagine if she was in the "wild" (like the jungle) she would not survive a day. Survival of the fittest btches."

    And, that`s ultimately what the issue of healthcare finance is. We, as a people, need to decide whether we want to be a society that obeys a form of natural selection (with which free-market capitalism is consistent) or one where support those that would not otherwise survive.

    It`s not an easy question, but it IS a question of differing philosophical systems about the role a collective society plays.
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    simbha Male 30-39
    412 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 4:37 am
    inversegrav: "The reason I side with Republicans in this debate is my solid belief that there is no problem that exists that govenment involvement will not make worse."

    Well, it`s your privilege to hold that belief and thus take the action (siding with the Republicans) that you do. Others - some of whom hold the same belief - would argue that the keystone issue isn`t economic efficiency, but rather access - which profit-seeking behavior by healthcare-related corporations can`t fully provide.

    inversegrav: "Republicans and Christians never said there wasn`t anything wrong with how things are"

    I don`t really understand your use of the phrase "Republicans and Christians" here. While it`s probably the case that the vast majority of Republicans support your view, it`s quite obvious that it`s not an overwhelming majority of Christians that do, as many Christians support healthcare reform.
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    simbha Male 30-39
    412 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 4:46 am
    @Draculya: Let me be clear about a few things before I respond to your comment... I am an American - and an atheist (effectively... we`ll worry about semantics another time). I also subscribe to a philosophy that is consistent with universal healthcare access.

    I also cannot side with you in this case.

    The hospital involved in this, St. Mary`s Health Center in Richmond Heights, MO, has issued a statement as follows: "We followed established medical guidelines and performed appropriate tests. Unfortunately, even with appropriate testing using sophisticated technology, blood clots can still be undetected in a small number of cases."

    If the statement is true, she doesn`t appear to have been denied access to healthcare. Instead, the healthcare provided failed to detect the issue which led to her demise. I`m aware that many bloodclots are impossible to detect and, while I support universal access, demanding 100% accurate diagnoses is a slippery slope.
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    BiGpHiL Male 18-29
    261 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 5:38 am
    simbha STFU
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    faustsshadow Male 30-39
    443 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 6:59 am
    I live in the community where this happened and I have friends and family members at that hospital and in the police force there. I don`t know personally any of these power-tripping cops that everyone seems to think these guys are.

    Did people read the whole article? Why not try to see all sides of it first. This is a tragedy, but I can understand why many of these mistakes happened. Scans didn`t turn up clots and drug-users (she wasn`t) and mentally ill people/ homeless frequently complain of things like this to get a place to stay, to get out of a cell, or just because they are unstable.

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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 7:33 am
    SNAFU

    Yep

    Why the drat wasn`t she treated?

    A better question is "why wasn`t the clot detected"?

    Just because you know you have or there is a problem doesn`t others will know and believe you.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 7:34 am
    And anyone who can see something like this and still be against a public option for health care are truly heartless

    I`m against Obamacare because it is unconstitutional.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 7:36 am
    The system didn`t fail her, the odds screwed her over.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 8:01 am
    because it is unconstitutional.
    Because the constitution is an absolutely flawless document that was designed to never, ever, EVER be changed, eh?

    And those who wrote it were capable of predicting every single problem that might come up over the course of the next couple hundred years, and knew exactly how to solve it with a single document, of course.

    Also, "unconstitutional" is a perfectly legitimate excuse for being an inhumane monster to a fellow human being based on their social status.

    Makes perfect sense to me.

    I don`t like Obama`s plans either, especially with all the BS "exceptions" and the like, but unconstitutional is a pathetic argument against it.
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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
    1239 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 8:04 am
    Actually Cajun, no one should be turned away at an ER. She was seen and they missed it. That`s fine and isn`t necessarily anyone`s fault. She insisted she could not walk and in any normal case in our hospital would have at least had a second look. In a small number of cases it is possible for clots not to be found but after receiving exams at three different locations it is hard to believe that because she was homeless and "making the rounds" that they didn`t believe her a drug seeker. Often instead of benifit of the doubt as it should be 100% of the time in case they are not seeking it is fairly common for care providers to "go through the motions" and then send them on their way. It`s impossible to know if this is the case here but it is extremely unlikely that 3 thorough examinations would have missed it especially if they took her insistence on having an issue seriously and redoubled their efforts.
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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
    1239 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 8:04 am
    Regardless of what exactly they did or didn`t do according to procedure and if it was thoroughly looked at and simply undetectable one thing I am quite certain of. If a person with insurance had insisted they could not stand and that something was wrong they would NEVER have been turned away much less arrested. That part was because they knew she could not pay so they only wanted to provide the minimum care as required by law and send her on her way. Had she even been in the lobby when she coded she may have lived.
  90. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 8:13 am
    I`m against Obamacare because it is unconstitutional.
    A valid argument. However, due to HMOs not wanting universal health care, republicans and some dems not wanting their rich buddies to lose profit, and the whole of your nation utterly opposed to any form of taxes (because of COURSE you all deserve to live in a country rent-free and take advantage of all the perks), this was the only option Obama could get approved. Do I agree with Obamacare? Not really. The part about no exclusion on basis of pre-existing conditions is great, but you really should just have taxes to pay for universal health care. The rest of the world seems to make it work, so what`s the big deal? Take a lesson from our most conservative province and have 2-tier health care if you`re so worried about wait times and a clogged system.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 8:14 am
    if it was thoroughly looked at and simply undetectable
    I`m not sure this was the case, sounds more to me like the hospitals covering their own a$$es.
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    BBJellyFish Male 18-29
    550 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 8:29 am
    This is absolutely disgusting. Can`t really blame the cops for taking her away because that sad excuse of a doctor said she was fine. Cops are just f/ucking retarded for leaving her lying on the floor. At least put her up against the wall or something.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14657 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 8:32 am
    Just because something`s unconstitutional doesn`t mean it should not be. You just have to amend the constitution. Lots of things are wrong about the constitution, such as the right to bear arms.
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
    823 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 8:49 am
    Lots of things are wrong about the constitution, such as the right to bear arms.

    Really? What`s wrong with it? Are we supposed to bow down to overlords like you do in Asia? No thanks. I`ll keep my freedom and the responsibility that comes with it. I still get the better deal.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7619 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 9:02 am
    I find it hard to listen to some of you. This woman may well have had mental issues - it is not referred to in the article that I could see. first- she had no water- how is it right that a household with vulnerable minors gets NO water. She had no heat- no wonder she had difficulties. Once she started downhill she turned in to a disaster- a preventable disaster. This is the fault of a nation for whom healthcare is a business, for whom water is a business, when she did not do as the business manager asked she was arrested- at the best she should have been sectioned. I accept that doctors do not always get it right, and that police often do things wrong- but this story started long before the doctors and the police- and her death is because America worships Money.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 9:09 am
    @madduck: Preach, sista, preach.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 10:30 am
    Madduck, you`re exactly right.

    I love how our country is such a "Christian Nation" when it comes to taking away the rights of a minority, but at any other time God`s graven image is the Almighty Dollar Sign.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 10:37 am
    @Draculya That last statement is the most ignorant thing I`ve ever seen you say, and that`s a lot coming from you.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 10:39 am
    @Musuko42
    By your logic you should be constantly crying then. This type of unjustice isn`t uncommon. The only difference when this one is that it is more publicized.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 10:43 am
    @faustsshadow Yea, it`s entirely possible no one is really to blame for this. Sometimes bad poo happens. The overly-emotional and self-righteous asshats of the internet can`t feel good about themselves if they can`t put the blame on other people though, so that`s why someone always has to be at fault when anything tragic happens. I`m not saying that necessarily applies to this case or even this website, but it is pretty damn common across the internet and news media. Take a look at Draculya, for example. All he does is blame America for every bad article on here, but has he come up with a solution? No. Has he done anything to help people in need or less fortunate than him? Probably not. Most of these people use this blame as an excuse for not helping their fellow man out in real life. I guarantee you if anyone on here right now were present at the hospital when this happened, they wouldn`t have done a damn thing about it at the time, but they sure would have bitched about it later.
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    g3n3r1k Male 18-29
    250 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    the police were doing their job by removing someone that refused to leave. the hospital should`ve done something but if the focus is on the cops, i dont blame them at all - although they could have been more friendly.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    I can understand a little why this happened but it`s still something completely preventable and those who made these horrible errors in judgement need to be removed from power. One, the doctors who mus-diagnosed a simple blood clot (those happen ALL THE GODDAMN TIME and are always deadly! And yes, they are easy to diagnose) need to be suspended. Second, the officers involved should have allowed a simple second opinion from a doctor rather than trusting the hospital so simplistically. Even an EMT would have known she wasn`t faking.
    It`s true, there are a lot of druggies out there who are very convincing and will go a LONG way to fake the need for drugs, but you`d be surprised how easy it is to figure it out. Hell, it would have been easier to get a second opinion from a doctor than it would be to drag her around against her will. They made what to them seemed like an obvious decision without even thinking it through, and for that these cops need to be suspended.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    ...wait nevermind. I just read the article and they did do extensive work, though I don`t understand how they missed an everyday blood clot. Plus this:
    "Brown told them she wanted to go to a better hospital but refused to go in an ambulance, police said."
    Sounds like it`s her fault after all. Maybe she just didn`t want to be stuck with ambulance bills, but it would have saved her life. Plus it made her look suspicious.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    meh...
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    "I`m against Obamacare because it is unconstitutional."

    Why are you talking about Obamacare in response to what I said? Obama`s plan doesn`t include a public option like it should have. Trust me, I`m not 100% fine with it either because it could have been so much better. The mandate is probably the only unconstitutional part of it (which doesn`t invalidate the rest of it, btw). The mandate was originally a Republican idea btw, they pushed for it to get added. Now that they know it`s unpopular, they blame it completely on Obama and pretend that they didn`t support it in the first place.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
    1360 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    bad poo, as you say, happens for a reason. Maybe the the system provides bad poo...
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    shaustin Male 18-29
    143 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    jesus! why are these conservative americans so insistant on staying so far behind the rest of the developed world... oh thats right, its because their party leaders care more about profiting off of health care and prisons then the lives of their citizens......
    stop referring to it as "obamacare" and start calling it a basic human right
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
    1045 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 2:37 pm
    The American Dream.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 4:36 pm
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are LIFE, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
    So apparently we have a RIGHT to LIFE, eh?

    Goddamn liberal agenda...
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    EbScrooge Male 18-29
    18 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 5:51 pm
    I feel bad for her. I feel bad for the doctor that will lose his/her license and will be without a job after so much hard work in med school. I feel bad for the police that may lose their jobs as well. I HATE DRUG SEEKERS. They make it difficult for doctors to determine who needs a proper evaluation and who is just wasting their time. While there are many people to blame in this situation, I think it`s ultimately the millions of drug seekers that are to blame for this poor young lady`s death.
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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
    147 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 7:30 pm
    SarahofBorg...

    As a Paramedic for 21 years...

    You don`t have a clue.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    March 30, 2012 at 10:14 pm
    @Altaru It means that you have a right to live and not have your life taken by someone else(Which, in my opinion, discredits capital punishment), this right does not really apply to natural causes of death(meaning disease, old age, etc).

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