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  1. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 9:24 am
    Link: Trayvon Martin`s Mom Trademarks His Name - Protecting his memory or capitalizing on his death? Let the debate begin.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    seems like both to me. but her son died...i dont see any reason she shouldn`t be able to collect...
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    Yeah, I would believe this if it weren`t posted on the daily mail.
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    leesah Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    That`s right momma, turn your dead son into a cash cow. Stay classy.
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    edana42 Female 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    Gotta make that money, money, money......
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    simbha Male 30-39
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    Meh. No way to answer this question until we actually see what happens. Her lawyers have probably advised her to do this in order to maintain control of the situation. It`s doubtful that she`d actually be able to capitalize on this, anyway...

    1. She likely doesn`t have the resources to maintain actual lawful usage of the trademark.

    2. If she herself doesn`t use the trademark (either through the development and production of merchanise or through the licensing of the TM itself, she probably won`t be able to get any money out of it.

    3. It`s unlikely that she would be able to make anything off a trademark infringement lawsuit in the future, as this will be well-known and unlikely to be violated.

    My guess is that this is coming from her attorneys - whatever their incentives - and she won`t see a dime out of it.
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    Amurika Male 30-39
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:14 pm
    Only if Jimmy Carter can be the moderator.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    Well that`s the American dream isn`t it? Capitalism at its finest.
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    chicagojay Male 40-49
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    Gross. And big props to the "Former NAACP LEader. I could not agree more.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm
    What a freaking joke!
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    RPossum Male 30-39
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm
    Well that is interesting.
    Kinda seems a little cold and calculated but you can`t fault her for being stupid. Although if you are going to do it, add clothes for crying out loud.
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    faustsshadow Male 30-39
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    Probably a bit of both. It seems tacky - but at the same time, I can completely understand wanting to do it.
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    uhmerikin Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:21 pm
    I really wouldn`t want other people selling shirts and making money off the death of my son, so I could understand trademarking the phrases. But only if it wasn`t for any selfish reasons and all proceeds would be donated to some sort of a charity. Now if she did it with the intent to monetarily benefit from the shooting death of her son, that`s quite despicable.
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    RuralNinja Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:22 pm
    Well the media has exploited the situation from day 1, feeding a steady stream of half truths about what happened. She might as well get in on the act and exploit her son just like the news media did.
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    crash665 Male 30-39
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:29 pm
    While it is terrible, if she didn`t, there would be plenty of people selling t-shirts with his name and image on them. At least now she can keep some of the money.
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    diylobotomy Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    Well this has certainly spun out of control.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:32 pm
    Ah... capitalism.
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:35 pm
    It`s not cold. She is protecting the name of her son. If he was alive the law would protect his name and likeness...but after he dies he name has no protection. She doesn`t want people using his name in the wrong way. You will find that many families of famous people do this to protect their name.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:36 pm
    It`s not his name alone. It`s the two phrases, "I am Trayvon" and "Justice for Trayvon." She`s not `protecting his memory,` she`s just after the money.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    LOL!! Way to go push harder for a mistrial!! I wonder how many cracker ass crackas are gonna die or get brought up on hate crime charges for defending themselves when the riots occur!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Now when BET does the "Trayvon Martin Story" they have to pay Momma.

    Cha-Ching!
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    jboug24 Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm
    i cant wait for all the facts to come out and this be over with. this is gonna end up similiar to the duke lacrosse case where everyone quickly jumped to conclusions and were calling for heads to roll then the truth came out. and for the people saying that wearing a hoody doesnt make you suspicious looking, my roomate, who is well known in our neighborhood, was out looking for our cat who ran away and he had his hood up. we had two neighbors call the cops beause of a suspicious person with a hood on walking around.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    I kinda wonder what all the conservative phuckwits here think about 9/11 being commercialized, you know all those coins minted from the silver stored in the towers with the little unfoldable mini towers on those same coins. They were being hawked on tv no less!

    And lets not forget all the I <3 NY Tee shirts and little plastic statues of Lady Liberty too. My my, we made a killing off those! (no pun intended) It`s like Americans *wanted* it to happen for purely pecuniary purposes!!
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm
    wow... thats cold!
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    /Sarcasm. For the uninitiated.
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    jboug24 Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    all that 9/11 stuff isnt being done by the families, its done by companies trying to make a buck. this is done by his mom, just days after he was killed.
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    Ant0n Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    That`s just stupid, I`m willing to bet there`s more than one person named Trayvon, so why shouldn`t they be able to make a T-shirt that says "I Am Trayvon" ???
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 2:02 pm
    @QueenZira: I :heart: NY was out years before 9/11, eh? The guy who designed the graphic didn`t bother to trademark it, OOPS!

    pecuniary
    I love it when you talk dirty! :heart:
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 2:03 pm
    If (I stress that because of the source) it is being done at all it`s being done to pay for a trial. Not to cynically make money from a tragedy.

    In Feb. a mother lost her baby, a baby who would still be alive today were it not for Walking While Black. "Compassionate Conservatism" my a$$.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm
    5cats- don`t blame me for your abysmal knowledge of the English lexicon.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 2:11 pm
    @QueenZira More like beating a guy and just happening to be black.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 2:12 pm
    @QueenZira, I was making a joke, eh? I knew it means "relating to money" without even looking it up (which I just did, to be sure). Even if I didn`t I could figure out it`s meaning from your sentence.
    Some folks complain that I over-use "lolz" and such, so I didn`t include a (j/k) I thought you`d figure that out...

    lexicon

    fap fap fap fap fap! (j/k!)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 2:15 pm
    Also: I agree, she`s getting some cash together for the upcoming trial(s) and lawsuits.
    She`s not doing anything wrong, IMHO, or illegal.

    The vultures hawking shirts? Sharpton and Jackson? THAT is immoral.
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    GodDamnDevil Male 40-49
    164 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    Al Sharpie Pen and Jesse Blackson are pumping up the tires on the racist bandwagon, they will be cruising through your town when the courts decide that Zimmerman is not guilty, someone mentioned in an earlier comment , "how many cracker ass crackas are gonna die or get brought up on hate crime charges for defending themselves when the riots occur!" ..Wont be me dieing,I intend on using the full extent of The Castle Doctrine if any nignogs come around,,,Hell I might even leave the door open to tempt them to come in...It`ll be like shooting fish in a barrel.
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    Norris Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 2:41 pm
    son dies, profit
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    panda_chaos Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 2:49 pm
    Why is it that Sharpton and Jackson only come down from their pedestals when a black kid is killed?
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    I want to share something that gave me a lot of peace and happiness and balance the other day, this article about the infamous George Wallace.

    Even he was not completely beyond redemption in the end. Even he was graciously welcomed back into community by the very people he once hurt. If there`s hope even for him, then humanity can`t be a lost cause altogether.

    Food for thought and for the spirit in these dark goings on. Namaste.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    QueenZira-"a baby who would still be alive today were it not for Walking While Black. "Compassionate Conservatism" my a$$."

    Let`s see: A black kid gets killed after getting into an altercation by a registered Democrat hispanic.

    I`m trying to figure out where you get the `conservatism` part.

    If she has trademarked the name to protect it, good on her.

    If she has trademarked the name for profit, she`s shameless.

    I have no idea, nor opinion, as to why she did. (that could change as time goes by)
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:12 pm
    @QueenZira What does that have to do with the Treyvon case? This is a case about self defense, not racial issues.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    @MeGrendel She didn`t trademark the name, but the slogans with his name in it that people are using.
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    Shelworth Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    cha-CHING!
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:32 pm
    Grendel your answers can be found here, although you may have to watch 5 min. of video to get them, but you can handle it.

    Ivran, conservatives like to make believe that race has nothing to do with this case, and indeed argue vociferously against it being framed that way, precisely because it exposes the way they benefit from white privilege. That kind of scrutiny doesn`t sit well with them.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:32 pm
    "That`s just stupid, I`m willing to bet there`s more than one person named Trayvon, so why shouldn`t they be able to make a T-shirt that says "I Am Trayvon" ???"
    How often do people get "I am (insert first name)" shirts? I have an extremely common first name (which isn`t Lillian btw) and I highly doubt my name has ever been on a shirt like that. Plus, they could change it to "I`m Trayvon" if they really wanted to do that.

    Anyway, I just hope she`s doing this to prevent other people from exploiting her son, rather than for profit.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:35 pm
    @QueenZira Please explain how race is relevant to this case based on the evidence we have thus far.
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:37 pm
    The circus is coming to town, folks.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:37 pm
    Ivran, an assailant called 911 on a black kid because he happened to see a kid who was black, that was all the "reason" he needed to call 911.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:44 pm
    @QueenZira The 911 call has very little to do with the case, and he actually called 911 because he believed the kid(He was 17 years old, barely a kid) was acting suspicious. There is absolutely no evidence that race has anything to do with this case. Your assumptions and emotions are not factual evidence.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:45 pm
    @QueenZira Also, according to the evidence we have as of now, M was the assailant, not Z.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    He believed the kid was suspicious because he was black. Point blank.

    Zimmerman`s lawyers notwithstanding, that is in contention and will go to a jury.
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 3:49 pm
    @QueenZira Where did he say that he believed he was suspicious because he was black? That is not point blank.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    QueenZira-"your answers can be found here, although you may have to watch 5 min. of video to get them, but you can handle it."

    MSNBC? Nah, no unbiased bullcrap there.

    I`ll ask again, and please try not to avoid the question: A black kid gets killed after getting into an altercation by a registered Democrat hispanic.

    How again does this have ANYthing to do with conservatism?

    QueenZira-"He believed the kid was suspicious because he was black. Point blank."

    I`m sorry, you have not established that fact.
  53. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    Grendel I didn`t avoid the question, if you shoot the messenger, that`s your problem. I`ll put it simply for you- anti black racism is not the sole property of white people. Minorities can be racist to one another. I don`t know why you keep bringing up Zimmerman`s political registration. That means nothing.

    Conservative arguments throughout this whole controversy have been to defend the perpetrator, a light skinned perpetrator killing a black child. Conservatism being the last hold out of threatened white males is relevant to this discussion.

    As for the rest- go listen to the 911 tape.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:17 pm
    Watching @QueenZira`s video:
    "internalized bias" LOLZ! It`s called having an opinion!
    "white brains light up in fear"
    Um, because they are the vastly disproportionate victems of black crime? naw, couldn`t be that!
    Now they`re bringing up bigotry from 1925...
    That guy just made a solid arguement FOR `castle laws`...
    And 1857...
    Sistah, I tense up when I see the cops too!

    Yup, entirely predictable and not one `solid arguement` was made. All emotion & speculation, no facts.

    @QueenZira, plenty of Black Conservatives would disagree with you.

    ZoNation!
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:21 pm
    5cats, in this country crime is vastly white on white and black on black, go see the DOJ statistics.

    As for the rest of your post, go get your feline distemper shots at the vet furball.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:22 pm
    IN THE USA:
    Blacks murdering blacks: Males and females combined:
    2009: 5,286 (5,834 total blacks murdered)
    2008: 5,500 (6,117 total blacks murdered)

    Whites killing whites?
    2009: 5,330 (6,702)
    2008: 5,601 (7,143)

    Keeping in mind there are about 5X as many whites in America...

    So, 90% of blacks murdered are killed by blacks, obviously whitey is the problem!
    (80% of murdered whites are killed by other whites, to complete the comparison)
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    She only has the phrases trademarked for use on CD`s and DVD`s. Surely if her aim was to make profit she would have trademarked the phrases use on clothing? Unless that isn`t possible, I really don`t have a clue about patenting.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    Whites killed by blacks vs blacks killed by whites.
    1,177 vs 464 in 2009.
    1,324 vs 459 in 2008.

    Not including Aborigionals, Latinos or "other".
    5:1 ratio of w:b, but 1:2.5 murder ratio.

    See? It`s about 12X statistical average for black on white murders.
    I`m certain the rest of the crime stats are 8X-10X above average too.

    SOURCE I`ve put this data up a few times now, it`s still amazing how OPPOSITE it is to what Sharpton et al are spouting...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    @5Cats

    what`s the numbers in parentheses?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    @paddy I`m pretty sure she cannot trademark a name, but could do so for his image.

    For actors, they have to register with a guild, which prohibits taking the same name as another actor. But nothing can stop you from naming your kid "Michael J Fox" eh?

    (Michael had to add the "J" because a previous actor was named "Michael Fox")
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:31 pm
    Institutional racism is to blame, institutional racism which ensures poorer quality schools for minorities, a De Facto (as differentiated from De Jure) segregation of housing and living arrangements, and historical repercussions from all the above align to make life harder and less fair for minorities. Tackling these problems are not just black people but white people as well, there is no vilified Other when both black and white work together.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:36 pm
    5Cats, just curious, what`s the reason you`re putting up these statistics? Even if more white people are killed by black people, that doesn`t mean this specific case wasn`t due to racism. So I think I`m missing your point.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:38 pm
    @Cajun: total of that race killed by all races? Incuding "unknown".
    I`ll double check...
    Yup! (5,834) total black people murdered, of them 5,286 were murdered by other blacks (male OR female)

    @QueenZira: "institutionalized racism" Oh yeah! Like the Jews, they were dirt poor and lived in ghettos, forbidden to go to good schools, still are!
    And the Irish, same thing!
    And the Chinese, same!
    I am being sarcastic. LOTS of "races" have been discriminated against in the USA and Canada. Japanese internment camps?
    But those people worked their way OUT of the ghetto. It`s not easy and it`s not pretty, and it`s true NO ONE should face discrimination in modern times.
    But humans are animals after all...
  64. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:41 pm
    Fair question @LillianDulci:
    The media is feeding a lie: blacks are more often the victems of white violence.
    This is utterly un-true!
    Blacks (and whites) are MOST OFTEN victems of same-race crime.
    In fact, whites are vastly more likely to be a victem of a black criminal than a black is to be of a white criminal.
    In the case of murder the rate is 12X higher than "average".
    So the MSM allows Sharpton et al to perpetuate this myth, dividing the country along race lines, knowing full well it`s a lie.
    Even the PotUS gets in on it!
    Why?
  65. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    5cats, your stats are being misapplied and your conclusions are bull too, all those other groups also have their imbalances verses the standards of the white population, racism is still alive and well for them. Assuming that blacks just didn`t "work" hard to get out of it is racist in itself.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:47 pm
    More from DOJ.
  67. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:55 pm
    @QueenZira: your link shows the same stats as mine, only harder to read.
    Look: black on black murder (2005) is 94% of all black murders! But for white on white it`s 86%.
    Why are MORE blacks killed? not because whites are killing them, it`s because they`re killing each other!

    Whites are LESS LIKELY to kill blacks than blacks are to kill whites.
    AND there`s a 5:1 ratio to compound that.
  68. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 4:58 pm
    Assuming that blacks just didn`t "work" hard to get out of it is racist in itself.
    I never once in my life have said any such thing!
    They WILL HAVE TO work hard to overcome the racism they face. In fact they`re doing that right now! Joining the `middle class` at a record pace! Why? Not through gov`t handouts, but because they`ve EARNED it!

    The opposite of racism: treating all people as equals. That`s me!
  69. Profile photo of CRAIGJ
    CRAIGJ Male 40-49
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    March 27, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    I want to know where Shapton & Jackson are when a black child gets killed in a drive by shooting by a gang banger. I guess when blacks kill innocent black kids thats ok with them??? Plus there is not enough cameras around to make it worth their while. Also how fast do you think it would take one of there hood rat friends to turn them in if the Black Panthers offered up a reward like they have for Zimmerman.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 5:18 pm
    2005:
    Total blacks murdered: 6,345
    Black on black murder: 5,734
    Whites murder blacks: 463
    Others murdering blacks: 140

    They "lost" 8 murders, because if multiple victems of different races were killed at the same time, it gets counted strangely.

    Whites: 7,119
    w:w 5,579
    w:b 1,311
    w:O 229

    M bm B vs B mb W = 12.4:1
    W mb W vs W mb B = 4.3:1
    So a Black beign murdered is 12 times more likely to be done by a black rather than a white.
    But a White being murdered is only 4.3 times more likely to be by a White than a Black.

    And Whites outnumber Blacks 5:1

    If this offends anyone I`ll delete it, k? These are raw numbers, NOT "reasons why" ok?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 5:23 pm
    Further statistical analysis gets complicated, brain-explodingly so! I`ll do it if y`all like...

    (but doubt there`ll be any takers)
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2012 at 5:25 pm
    @5Cats I`d like it.
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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    March 27, 2012 at 5:41 pm
    In a statement from the family on the trademark situation:
    Martin`s mother has moved to trademark two popular rallying cries, "I am Trayvon" and "Justice for Trayvon." The family said it does not want want other people printing memorabilia.

    "Sybrina Fulton has no desire to profit from her son`s death, but wants to protect her son`s name legacy," said family representative Ryan Julison.
  74. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    5Cats, please do more statistical analysis for us in great detail!
    I`d like to see your brain explode :-)
  75. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    Thx @kitteh9! I`m a big fan of "updates" and "followups"!
    I`ll set up my webcam @Gerry1...

    Here goes @ivran! Some of this may LOOK racist, but I swear it is not! (note: this is "murder" not "killed by")

    THE #1 REASON why whites kill whites and blacks kill blacks is: MOST people are killed by friends, relatives & aquaintences.

    Whites: murdered by family/Aquaintences: stranger/unknown:
    2008 f/a 4,582 (b: 519) s/u 2,561 (b: 515)
    2009 f/a 4,356 (b: 394) s/u 2,346 (b: 478)

    Blacks:
    2008 f/a 3,274 (w: 259) s/u 2,844 (w: 122)
    2009 f/a 3,047 (w: 234) s/u 2,796 (w: 142)

    Ugly truth: Whites are much more likely to be killed by blacks than blacks are by whites.

    Blacks are proportionally more likely to be killed by strangers than whites.

    SO: A black person (includes males and females of all ages) should be MORE afraid of: a) white stranger? b) black stranger?
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
    15511 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 6:08 pm
    Capitalism FTW
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 6:15 pm
    I think we get the picture 5Cats, not sure about Zira though.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31796 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 6:16 pm
    In other words:
    Trayvon was more likely to be killed by: (in order)
    black friend or relative
    black stranger
    white friend or relative
    white stranger

    Same thing (almost) goes for whites:
    white friend or relative
    white stranger
    black STRANGER
    black friend or relative

    Except for a SMALL difference in black stranger vs black friend. That, I believe, is the basis for many white people`s fear of black strangers. It`s not based on `myth` it`s based on observational fact.

    The important thing is the ratio of w/b and b/w murders. Again, whites most often associate with whites and blacks most often associate with blacks (on a per capita basis!)
    If "all things were equal" (which is NEVER EVER the case in REALITY!) then whites would murder 5X as many people as blacks.
    Because most white (and blacks) are friends and relatives of other whites (and blakcs) this is not the case.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5884 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 6:19 pm
    QueenZira-"Conservative arguments throughout this whole controversy have been to defend the perpetrator"

    Actually, the majority of the conservative arguments have been `don`t blame racism without any facts`.

    QueenZira-"Conservatism being the last hold out of threatened white males is relevant to this discussion."

    Quite a missunderstanding you have on conservatism. Or is it a bias? But hey, never let facts get in your way. (But it must be quite convenient to have an `Ebil Organization` to blame everything on.)

    That`s ya`ll`s argument to date: "White guy kills black guy due to racism!" (what? he`s not white? nor conservative?) "`light-skinned hispanic kills black guy due to Ebil White Guys` racism."

    @kitteh9lives - I like her reasoning. Hope it works.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31796 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 6:23 pm
    k @Cajun.

    My overall point is: it`s a very small difference, but it`s there. The reasons for it are not "based on race" I think, but part of a variety of things like:
    environment
    parenting
    alcohol
    drugs
    the court system (since we`re only talking "murder" here, and blacks are often `over charged` while whites more likely to get a good lawyer and `plea bargain`)

    & etc.

    It`s a sad fact: blacks murder more people (proportionally) than whites. More blacks GET murdered (proportionally) than whites too.
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    Fleaman1797 Male 18-29
    718 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 6:43 pm
    Well, as long as he has found a way to live without the Welfare i guess its ok.. we all really didnt expect her to get a job after her meal-ticket got killed did we?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    I`m not going to waste my time reading the comments. Anyone who badmouths a mother who just lost her son is a huge f**king douche.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 7:12 pm
    @markust123 No one has really been `badmouthing` her other than fleaboy.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36213 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    OFFICIAL Trayvn Martin Memorabilia Website
    Momma got the website up, but doesn`t have any hoodies for sale yet.

    The profits {not proceeds} go toward legal fees. ?
    She isn`t accused of anything.

    P.S. I tried to submit this link as a seperate submission, but automate IAB would not accept an https:// page ... the `s` threw it off.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 7:22 pm
    Two thoughts, in no particular order:

    (1) I`m finding myself favorably impressed by 5Cats on this topic. Either he`s getting more logical or I`m getting more loopy, not sure which.

    (2) I don`t like insults, generally speaking, but QueenZira`s riposte was hilarious and witty: "As for the rest of your post, go get your feline distemper shots at the vet, furball." LOL
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31796 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    I wasted all those brain cells when I could have posted this:

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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
    1059 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    Aw... A thug raised by trash. How sweet.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 27, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    lol @ 5cats expense.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31796 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 7:47 pm
    Yeah @Gerry1, actually I would have burned up the brain figuring this chart out too.

    @Squirrelz: #1 you`re getting loopier, it`s contagious!
    #2 I was kinda mad reading that, until I got to "furball" then I loled!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36213 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    5Cats, if it will make you feel better, I`ll get youi a "Remember Trayvon" hoodie as soon as his mom makes them available.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31796 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 8:51 pm
    @Gerry1: All cotton, no polyester! And a zipper that goes all the way, not a pull-over!
    It`s a Winnipeg thing...
    Orange, black, blue or yellow are prefered colours... ;-)
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36213 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    @ 5Cats - there you go again! Always making color an issue!
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 8:59 pm
    Re: the trademark... I`m not ready to condemn her for merchandising. Law is a just a tool and it`s likely she`s trying to prevent some self-styled `gangsta rapper` from hijacking her son`s name and demise.

    As for the ethnicity of killer and the deceased, the real issue is not whether a person of one ethnicity is statistically likely to be killed by a person of another ethnicity, what matters is the toxic culture that fuels this violence.

    I`m talking about the portrayal of certain ethnicities as being associated with crime and the glorification of that lifestyle, plus the prevalence of guns and the mentality that civilians need those guns to shoot `bad people`.

    America, you`re just setting yourself up for a culture of killing.
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    Profworm Male 30-39
    379 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    One person is dead. Another`s life is over.

    You all may be having a grand old time splitting up into team Jacob and team Edward, but the whole thing just seems really sad to me.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31796 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    But... orange is my favorite colour!

    Dammit! I`ll take a picture to PROVE I`m not a `colourist`!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31796 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 9:20 pm
    Part of my "Wrangler Cowboy Cut" collection:


    Sorry to stray so far off topic!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36213 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    5Cats - I remember when those shirts were in! It was the `80s, right.

    Seriously, throw them out. Right now.
    Don`t give them to charity, you won`t be helping anyone.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    @Draculya
    Civilians don`t need those guns to `shoot bad people`, but it is a civilian`s right in many states to own those guns to defend their life on their property(this is what castle doctrines do) if necessary. There are quite areas of the US where home break-ins are very common. Why would we not be allowed to own a weapon to defend ourselves in our own home? I`m not saying we should walk around the streets with guns in our hands(Although for some reason that`s what some people picture the US as). That`s illegal without proper licenses and safety courses, but keeping a gun on your own property for whatever reason is a completely different story.

    I`m not really hip on this `toxic culture` you speak of, but if it is what causes people to scream and start a ruckus over the drop of a hat and go around tearing up other peoples` property for no good reason, then I`m in agreement with you on that issue.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    @ivran *quite a few areas
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31796 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 10:25 pm
    But @Gerry1! I bought them FROM the thrift store!
    And I wear them all the time!
    (yes, late 80`s early 90`s)

    Back to the topic: Canada has resticted gun sales severely these past 20 years, it hasn`t changed a thing!!! The gangsters STILL are armed to the teeth and the citizens get arrested for not having "proper paperwok" for their firearms. IE: There`s typo! Off to jail you go!

    Luckily the Consevatives have recently overturned this draconain law.
    Gunfights and murders doubled across the nation... NOT!@!!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36213 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Well of course gun control didn`t stop criminals from getting them. Don`t you smarties up there in Canookland learn anything while you`re laughting at the USs stupidity?

    P.S. If you own those shirts I know you have a fanny pack to go with them. Confess, you do, don`t you.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31796 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 11:42 pm
    Hahaha! I have a leather "fanny pack" that came with my motorcycle. It matches the saddlebags and clips onto the front forks.
    My Bike?

    Similar to this one. But black, and no backrest ( a VERY rare option)
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    CoffeeCakes Male 30-39
    106 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 12:23 am
    god dammit... every time some stupid, want-to-be gangster kid gets shot every idiot I know takes a photo of themselves wearing a hoodie sweatshirt. Now they`re all going to buy some stupid cd/dvd and talk about it. This killing was not about race, but drat!... It is now. I would have shot him too... Go Zimmerman!
  104. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 1:08 am
    "Civilians don`t need those guns to `shoot bad people`, but it is a civilian`s right in many states to own those guns to defend their life on their property(this is what castle doctrines do) if necessary. There are quite areas of the US where home break-ins are very common."

    See what I mean? A culture of crime and punishment; an armed society filled with violence and suffering. You need to fix more than your gun prevalence; you need to work on the root causes of your crime.
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    jeepjones Male 30-39
    554 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 3:19 am
    Sad.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36213 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 6:20 am

    5Cats - that your bike? Looks like a Virago?
    My last bike was a Virago 1100. Love those bikes.
    But I sold it off and am bikeless now.
    Isn`t it too cold to ride up there?
    I mean, you`re in, like, baja-Iceland.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 7:09 am
    @Draculya
    Stop trying to form arguments using extremely vague ideas and emotions and actually present factual evidence and logical arguments. Your statements are empty and meaningless otherwise.
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    frnttrndy Male 50-59
    49 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 7:30 am
    The medea has sucked u in. they only tell u what they want u to know. They now have the black KKK invalved.Jackson & Sharpton. Sharpton uses the N word and Cracker more than any white i know.The kid is not the 12yr old boy in the pic u see not the 17yr old he is He is 6/3 not 5/2. He has been kicked out of scool srveral times a rap sheet as long as your arm (at 17) the medea paints a 12yr old boy inicent. The medea has created a story and devision with the help of Sharpton and Jakson. they want u to think all white people are bad (the man was hispanic). I helped get Obomba in. I was sucked into the Rodney King case till I watched a vid Behind The Big News and saw the compleat King video the medea didnt want u to c.The jurors seen the whole vid thats y t cops were inosent. Dont beleave every thing u c or here till u have all the facts
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    frnttrndy Male 50-59
    49 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 7:33 am
    Please watch Behind The Big News on Google it will show you the power of the medea
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 7:35 am
    @frnttrndy
    Dude, you`re going to have to work on your spelling. Reading what you just posted was a little painful.
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    ATL1EN Male 18-29
    622 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 8:09 am
    umm... DUH? didnt everyone know she woudl do this? SHES BLACK!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31796 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 9:26 am
    @Gerry1 1985 Yamaha XJ750XS liquid cooled, purrs like a kitten on the highway...

    @ATL1EN: even if you`re kidding, that`s bloody offensive.

    @frnttrnty: It`s true, this is similar to the Rodney King case, and Crystal Gail Mangum (The Duke Lacross team) and Twana what`s her name (raped by 8 cops? Nope, drugs & sex with boyfriend) AND Bernard Getz (subway vigilante).

    Hysteria is easy to generate, but the truth takes time to `settle in`. Once we hear ALL the facts in ZvsM I think Z will be cleared.
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    faustsshadow Male 30-39
    418 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 10:47 am
    Every time you say `medea` instead of media I keep thinking someone is going to go murdering all their family (possibly with some face-melting acid) and then fly off in a chariot.

    ps - Jason was a prick, but didn`t deserve to have his kids murdered in front of him.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36213 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 10:54 am

    The next black or gay kid that gets killed, I am going
    to run right out and trademark the name before anyone
    else can. Could make a tidy sum.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10443 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    Yeah, I`m starting to loose sympathy for this kid...

    Yes, Florida is bloody racist, but I don`t care any more.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 1:21 pm
    Part of my "Wrangler Cowboy Cut" collection:


    I have a collection that would make Tom Selleck jealous:

    Okay this is an exageration, but it`s my usual attire.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    @LazyMe484 I`ve been to Florida. I didn`t really think it was that racist.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    I don`t think she`s cashing in. I think she`s protecting his name from being misused.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 3:43 pm
    @zombunny I hope so, but I don`t quite understand why she copyrighted the two slogans that are being used by the mobs to support him. It doesn`t really seem like this copyright could be used too much to help protect his name, and I don`t think she can get a copyright on her name alone. I really wouldn`t be surprised if a dirty lawyer is responsible for this. She may really think she is protecting her kid`s name and really just be feeding the pockets of her lawyer or something... who knows?
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    March 28, 2012 at 11:38 pm
    @ivran I don`t need to prove it to you; you know it`s true. Any idiot knows that a culture that promotes violence as being cool is going to lead to more people being hurt. And that would include you.

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