Trayvon Martin`s Final Footsteps Are Retraced

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 5 years ago in

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Between 7:15 pm when Zimmerman called 911 until the 1st officer arrived at 7:17 pm Martin died. Pls Read Credits Link
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Male 7,775
Has anyone spoken to Ice-T or Skittles? Maybe they know something.
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Male 192
@ 5cats i noticed something very funny about the difference between this video and the one you linked to. This one brings up the race issue what seems like ever 10 seconds, while your link the only mention of race is the mothers recount of what was said on the porch. The reporter never specified that the victim was white nor the race of the attackers. Funny how a white person is attacked then race is not mentioned
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Male 37,815
@davymid: Educate Yourself The MSM is HIGHLY selective on what `deserves` coverage. THAT is my main complaint here.
The truth is that Back on White crime is so common, it doesn`t even rate news coverage anymore.

And before you hop in with "whites attack blacks too!" it is a fact that blacks are the #1 attackers of other blacks. Look it up yourself, lazybones!

True @collegebound!

@mcboozerilla: No need to listen to us "righties" eh? Al Sharpton tells you all you need to know!
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Male 3,745
mcboozerilla: because then you would have less fun on this site :D
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Male 646
Seeing all the racist and other far-right posts, I want to know why it`s not possible to ignore other users?
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Male 3,745
lol people still listen to 5Cats` and CrakrJak`s opinions...you all should know better...you disappoint me almost more so than THEY do...

that said Zimmerman had no real reason to chase Trayvon let alone follow him...he was racist and was pissed off because he got his ass beat by someone he felt was inferior to him...then when he got the chance he killed a child...

hope someone gives him to the panthers.
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Male 12,138
Astounding.

All I`ll say is this: I knew from the get-go who would be defending this wannabe-cop vigilante who shot dead a black kid armed with a bag of skittles. Likewise, I know that the same people, would have been calling for blood if a black community leader had killed a white college-bound teenager on his way home from the local store.

I`ll leave it there. There`s very good personal reasons that out of all the countries in the world I could choose to live in, I chose not America.
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Male 37,815
vv That picture below? Apparently NOT the Trayvon Martin in question here. My mistake, eh?

Still, why can`t the MSM find a photo of him that isn`t 3 years old?
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Male 17,512
swoop: Please cease with the name calling, it makes you look like a child that can`t debate rationally and destroys any credibility you thought you had.
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Male 2,737
He was a water ave gang member? Hell, it was only a matter of time anyways.
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Male 37,815
I`ve found an article that`s saying a SECOND witness says Trayvon was on top, beating Zimmerman. That MArtin attacked Zimmerman, and that Zimmerman was yelling for help.

I`ve submitted it to IAB, but will link it at both (3?) current threads later if it doesn`t show up.

The Black Panthers are offering $10,000 for the "capture" of Zimmerman, nice? not.

@Swoop: perhaps we cross posted? plz to read why I put up that picture. ALL you`ve said about me is slander and `projection`. Take a chill pill cousin...
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Male 1,754
Why would they use a picture of him flipping the camera off and shirtless? Are you that dense? Lol....
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Male 1,754
5cats - you are by far the most illogical and retsrded piece of human feces on this site. You`re going to take a pic of some dead teenager and use it to slander him? As if to say that photo proves Zimmerman was in the right? You`re a drating moron. Truly.

If that photo proves anything it`s that he`s one skinny ass kid with no chest or muscles at all. Zimmerman will have his day in court. He created the situation, went against dispatch advice not to chase, initiated contact when he had no business doing so and ended the life of a kid who`d done nothing wrong.

Your failure to see this leads me to believe you`re either mentally handicapped or just a complete troll not to be taken seriously ever again.
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Male 37,815
@Smutleybutt: No, where the fight occured was on a sidewalk between two rows of houses, no road, no car.
In the "Dad`s walk" video it clearly shows it, both were on foot from the moment Zimmerman left his car while talking to 911. idk why he hung up on 911 btw, that`s strange.

What am I trying to prove: That there ARE recent pictures of Trayvon, probably LOTS of them if he had web-pages! Yet the MSM continues to show him at age 14? Or even younger? Um, why?

PLUS: Until the Coroner`s report is released, it`s ESTIMATED he weighed 140. The police report estimated 160, fwiw...
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Male 1,377
5Cats a skinny 17 year old athlete cannot outrun a man in a truck or a bullet.

What are you trying to prove with the pic? That trayvon had a webcam and did look diminutive?
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Male 37,815


Guess who this is?

@ElectricEye: Um, am I supposed to support or reject the "run home" idea?
If I support it: I`m a racist who says blacks should fear for their lives just walking down the street.
If I reject it: I`m a racist because I`m saying Trayvon didn`t try to avoid conflict.

@Swoop: We`ve discussed this to death in previous threads, go look!

@LillianDulci: So even with a head start, a skinny 17 year old athlete cannot outrun a chubby Latino man in a 100 yard dash? Is that what you`re saying?
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Female 2,674
Also, "People just assume Zimmerman chased Martin"

No one is ASSUMING this, we know he chased Trayvon based on Zimmerman`s 911 call. Zimmerman says that Trayvon is running, and is later asked if he`s following him, and he says that he is. If someone`s running away and you`re following them, you tend to also be running. What`s 1 person running after another person typically called? Chasing.
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Male 1,377
CrakrJak you could see his back door from where he died. How could he not be going home when the door was straight in front of him?
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Female 2,674
CJ, did you even watch the video? He was murdered along a path that would have brought him to his home, indicating that he actually was running home, according to his own father. He might have taken a different route to get there in an attempt to lose him (so he wouldn`t have a crazy guy following him to his house and trying to get in), but he was definitely on his way home based on where he was killed.
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Male 17,512
ElectricEye: He wasn`t running home, he was trying to hide. Martin`s GF even said he `lost` the guy and then he put on his hoodie to further conceal himself, according to her. But that contradicts Zimmerman`s description on the 911 call, who described what Trayvon was wearing, before he started weaving through yards and seeking cover. This was before Zimmerman got out of his car. Trayvon could`ve easily taken his GF`s advise and ran home, or called 911, during that time.

People just assume Zimmerman chased Martin, but his GF never mentioned Martin being out of breath, she claims she heard him `being pushed`, but it`s just as likely he was doing the pushing.

Nothing in the media version of events is definitive, they`ve spin this around so many times their reporting on their own suspicion as fact.

By this time next week, I`m pretty sure this Hispanic guy is going to be equated to Hitler, the KKK and GW Bush, that is if it hasn`t already happened.
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Male 25,416
right o
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Male 1,511
Interesting fact I just noticed...I own, and carry (with license) the exact gun used.
Also, it has a VERY hard trigger pull, and doesn`t have single action, so it would be very unlikely to go off accidentally.
I don`t go following people around, I avoid trouble and would run first, but if someone was punching me and fighting me on the ground, I`d shoot, whether the attacker was unarmed or not.
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Male 2,729
5cats and crakr have been asked several times to comment on this: "still no comment on the "he should`ve run home!" statements from you and crakr both?" at least 3 or 4 times in this thread alone. WHY WILL NEITHER OF YOU ANSWER?
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Female 2,674
"He wasn`t "little" but has the MSM ever once mentioned how tall he was?"

I don`t know if they`ve mentioned his height or not (I don`t generally watch cable news after all), but being over 6 feet doesn`t make someone "big" when they only weight 140 pounds. This guy is ~6 feet and ~140 pounds. Would you call him "big"? He`s a stick! Being over 6 feet tall is irrelevant, he`s 140 pounds and doesn`t stand a chance against a guy ~100 pounds heavier, even if the guy is shorter.
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Male 1,754
You know you`ve lost the argument when you go from arguing abouwhy he events that led up to the kids death to straying and arguing about how the media is portraying the story instead. Come back when you`re ready to stay on topic. Btw, thanks for proving my point.
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Male 2,729
5cats This> And still no comment on the "he should`ve run home!" statements from you and crakr both?
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Male 37,815
PS: @Swoop I get no "non-racist" credit for defending a Latino? Cheezus, that`s harsh!
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Male 37,815
[quote]I was calling you pathetic.[/quote]
Wait, what? @Swoop is it true? A liberal has called me an insulting name??!?
*gasp!*
NEVER in all my days at IAB has this happened before! I am shocked SHOCKED at your behaviour and shall proptly report you to the hate-crime authorities!
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Male 37,815


THIS picture has been in many articles, just not those linked here (my mistake). Its unclear to me if he has a younger brother OR it is the girlfriend`s son who was with him.

HERE is a pretty good article. Note thet the picture is of Trayvon at age 14, making him LOOK like a `little kid` in the eyes of the public, eh?
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Male 1,754
5cats, let it be clear -- I was calling you pathetic. "oh those liberals are always (insert blanket statement here because I have nothing else to say even though this makes me look like a fool that can`t concede or bring any logical argument to the table). You seem to be playing the oppressed white man very willingly almost as if you really believe it. Why else would you defend a man who killed a kid? Notice I didn`t use skin colors in that sentence. Try to look past your ridiculously obvious hate and racism or at the very least try to use common sense.
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Male 1,377
And still no comment on the "he should`ve run home!" statements from you and crakr both?
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Male 1,377
5cats where is the picture of him holding a baby? I looked at all the articles put up by kitteh9lives and can`t find this pic. can you give me a link or post it here in the thread?
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Male 37,815
@Smutleybutt: um, yes I know what I say.
It`s the first time I`d read that the Dad wasn`t home, notice what I said?
[quote]Is this correct?[/quote]
See? I didn`t accuse Trayvon of anything, idk why you`d say I did, other than your own personal biases.

Have you listened to the "arguements" of those trying to lynch Zimmerman?
"Trayvon was just a little boy! He`d never attack a big, 250 pound man!" (I`m paraphrasing, obviously, the liberals are never this clear in their rantings).
He wasn`t "little" but has the MSM ever once mentioned how tall he was? Nope. And they continue to show pictures of him when he was 15 or younger! Are their NO recent pictures? A picture of him standing beside his father perhaps? Even if there were, WE would never be allowed to see them.
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Male 37,815
Thanks @Smutleybutt! I had thought the Dad was home at the time, it`s the first time I`ve read that Trayvon was home alone with his younger brother.

Althought the article says Zimmerman was WHITE, which he is obviously not.

And the picture in @Kitteh9`s article shows him holding a baby, which must be the Dad`s girlfriend`s child.

@Swoop: please go count how many times, in many hundereds of reports, the MSM has mentioned how tall Trayvon is? I`ll give you a hint: it`s zero.
So you are correct, the MSM is pathetic.
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Male 1,377
5cats it`s like you are trying to justify this by continually putting up anything you can about the kid. He was 6`2"! Shoot him for being 6`2"! (only 140 lbs though) He left a baby alone! Shoot him!(for leaving a 13 yr old alone long enough to walk to the store on the corner) He looked shady! in a hoody! and ran! Shoot him! Do you ever listen to yourself?
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Male 37,815
[quote]you, deep inside are more racist[/quote]
@Jamie: Oh, no other possible explaination in the universe! Eh?
[quote]I am not a liberal by the way[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHAAA! Not according to each and every of your 1176 posts @Jamie! You are a bleeding-heart liberal leftist 99%er.
[quote] conservatism are like and all of them are a whites only club.[/quote]
This is a lie and you know it. A bare-faced stinking lie, told by someone who has nothing BUT lies to say on the subject.
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Male 1,377
5cats here is an article on the `little one`s` age, eh?
5cats here`s where his age is documented

Just because you saw a pic where he is holding a baby doesn`t mean it`s the younger brother.

Also why haven`t you or Crakrjack defended your stance on "why didn`t he just run home?" when it`s been shown that`s what he was trying to do?
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Male 4,395
"We`ve come a long way to get nowhere."

This is a quote from a black father who in an article explains the talk black parents give their young sons, that soon people might be afraid of them. In 2012 black parents still have to teach their kids how to safely get themselves out of these situations. Doesn`t say much about our society.
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Male 2,345
conservatives sure seems to like Zimmerman...

they are using all manner of BS to support why they think a man that followed, confronted and then killed a teenager was in the right, though it is clear Trayvon was not committing any crimes.

you know why you are hacing trouble seeing this as murder?

because most of you, deep inside are more racist then you care to admit and automatically assume the blac guy did it, whatever it is.

I know, your reaction is I am wrong, but the truth is you know I am right.

I am not a liberal by the way. I am an indpendent that grew up in te south and the midwest as well as Cali. I`ve gotten a great dose in that time of what the different flavors of conservatism are like and all of them are a whites only club.
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Male 2,345
here are the facts (since some people are confused)

1. this kid was walking home minding his own business. he was not reported by anyone else to be doing anything suspicious.

2. Zimmeman used a racial slur in his call. I listened to it yesterday on CNN and they used audio tech to clean up the words and it is VERY clear what ZImmerman said. He was a racist and it was set in his mind that this kid was actively trying to commit a crime.

3. Zimmerman called the police, it took them about two minutes to arrive.

4. Trayvon was on the phone. the girl he was talking too urged him to run because he noticed he was being followed. He was scared of the person following him but knew he was close to home.

5. Zimmerman apporached him in a threatening manner according to the girl on the phone that heard Zimmerman demand to know who he was and what he was doing there.

6. Zimmerman shot trayvon. he could have stayed in his car and wairted f
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Male 1,754
I`m 6`2 and I`m 170 and I`m pretty thin. A 17 year old at 160 and over 6 feet must be a stick. 5cats again grabbing at any straw he can. Pathetic.
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Female 107
He was 6`2? And wearing a hoodie? And armed with skittles and iced tea? And black?

Of course he deserved to be shot by a crazy, "drating coon" saying racist vigilante. My goodness, why weren`t we informed that he was 6`2???

Clearly that excuses Zimmerman for following him when the 911 operator said not to.

Look, if facts come up that show that Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman was obviously acting in self-defense, I will happily change my stance.

However, until some evidence shows up that indicates that Martin DID ANYTHING besides being black, 6`2 and wearing a hoodie, I want to see Zimmerman arrested and charged with at least 2nd Degree Murder.

Why is the right wing so anxious to defend Zimmerman? It makes you look like racist nut jobs just like Zimmerman.
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Female 2,674
"we still need to not violate any of Zimmerman`s rights"

How are Zimmerman`s rights being violated here?
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Male 6,227
@Baelzar: Your question, suggesting I might think vigilante justice appropriate when the whole point of the issue is the injustice of vigilante justice (if that`s what it was), leaves me shaking my head. I`m sorry, but it`s a stupid question.

What do I think is appropriate and just here? Zimmerman needs to be put on trial to determine why he pursued and shot dead an unarmed teen and there needs to be an inquiry into why the police investigation of the homicide was, at best, cursory.
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Female 2,674
"Also, here`s a question: What would you open-n-shutters like jtrebowski, Buiadh and Squirlz4sale do right now if you had Zimmerman in your sights? Trial? Or just shoot him?"

Considering they aren`t insane, I doubt any of the people you mentioned would shoot him. Most of us just want him arrested and held until he has a trial, like most people suspected of murder would be.
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Male 3,463
Can I make a request to the mods to stop posting anymore "proof", or anything, that relates to Trayvon Martin?

We need to let the cops collect the evidence, or lack of evidence, and go before a court. Let us use due process. After all, a mantra of the US is innocent until proven guilty.

Once it goes to court then we can start posting things about the trial, or perhaps the lack of trial but only when we know for sure what is happening.

Now I don`t think what Zimmerman did was correct, but we still need to not violate any of Zimmerman`s rights until he is convicted of violating Martin`s rights (ie unjustifyingly killing him).
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Female 2,674
"Liberals: facts = feelings
Conservatives: facts > feelings"

That`s not what I`m seeing here. Many conservatives have assumed Zimmerman is telling the truth, and have assumed that Trayvon was shady, and have assumed that Trayvon was the aggressor, and have assumed that Trayvon did something wrong (wear the wrong thing, run the wrong way, react the wrong way), and have assumed that something`s wrong with the witnesses to have reported in Trayvon`s favor. I`m having a hard time telling if some conservatives are just insisting on playing devil`s advocate, considering how unwilling they are to accept that Zimmerman very well might have been in the wrong (especially considering Trayvon`s the one that was unarmed and is now dead), or if they just have something against the 17 year old kid who was murdered.
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Male 37,815
@Baelzar, that! And why no picture showing him to be 6`2"? Six foot bloody two!
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Male 1,399
Why do we only see a picture of a 12-year old Martin? Are there no recent pictures?

Also, here`s a question: What would you open-n-shutters like jtrebowski, Buiadh and Squirlz4sale do right now if you had Zimmerman in your sights? Trial? Or just shoot him?
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Male 37,815
ic @Smutleybutt, In the picture he`s holding a baby, eh? And the article makes no mention of the other child`s age.

@Squirrelz: Well, the MSM has lambasted the `right` for not `speaking out` about this, eh?
Even though Gingrich spoke out about it BEFORE Obama did...
So if we`re silent? "We don`t care" and if we speak? "We`re racists" (because we refuse to drink the kool-aid).
The facts of the case, as we know them, are NOT (in my opinion) proof of murder, quite the opposite.
UNTIL those facts change, or more facts are learned, why should my opinion change? Because the Dad "feels so bad" is that a reason to lynch Zimmerman?

Liberals: facts = feelings
Conservatives: facts > feelings
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Male 6,227
5Cats and CrakrJak: As much as I try to understand where you two are coming from politically, sometimes it`s a real challenge. Honestly, conservatives who are defending the shooting of Trayvon Martin are doing nothing but undermining conservatism generally.

If I were a conservative strategist (and, of course, you know I`m anything but), my advice would be, "Keep quiet on this one. You have to pick your battles, and this one`s hopeless."
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Male 1,377
5cats the `little one` was 13 years old. 13 is old enough to be by himself for a while.
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Male 17,512
Buiadh: It`s all politics, right now, without a murder charge.
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Male 37,815
It is indeed a sad & terrible walk to take.

"I feel there`s a coverup"
"I feel they`re hiding something"

Unfortunately: Facts > Feelings

From @kitteh9`s 2nd link: Wait, what? Martin was babysitting the little one and left the house? Is that correct?
Yes, that link brings up several valid questions.
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Male 6,737
"More liberal pablum ? "

Oh come on. Grow up.

It`s not politics. It`s murder.
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Male 17,512
More liberal pablum ?

Plz, Kitteh, enough is enough. What is IAB now the 24/7 justice for Trayvon website ?
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Male 3,364
70 yds from his house. Is CrakrJak still going to be posting over and over again "why didn`y Trayvon just run home?" Well, now you know....he was. Feel better?
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Male 3,285
Why do so many people want to be an internet hero? let the feds do their job. Vigilante justice NEVER works.
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Female 8,044
Link: Trayvon Martin`s Final Footsteps Are Retraced [Rate Link] - Between 7:15 pm when Zimmerman called 911 until the 1st officer arrived at 7:17 pm Martin died. Pls Read Credits Link
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