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94 Responses to The Truth About Islam

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    March 21, 2012 at 2:00 pm
    Link: The Truth About Islam - It isn`t pretty, but is it still the truth?
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    Fleaman1797 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 5:15 pm
    HEAR HEAR! drat Islam! or IS-LAME as i call it.. i know, clever huh?
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 5:24 pm
    Immigration reform, and enforcement of local laws. It`s as simple as that. No one needs to get hurt.

    ... In the end it will take one loyal Briton to snap and bomb a mosque. That would get things moving, but it would be the wrong way to do it, obviously.

    Pat may be right, but I`m still not that worried.
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    tiedyed Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 5:24 pm
    Yep, sounds about right.
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    chunkymonkie Male 13-17
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    March 21, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    my thoughts exactly
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 5:35 pm
    Hmm, he certainly knows how to argue his points well. I`m not super well versed on Islam, but I have read a few books(more than what most people do) and done my own research on Islam. I can`t say this man is wrong because some of the things he touched upon are exactly what I came across in my findings.

    He doesn`t seem racist; just fed up with the hypocrisy.
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    DeutschDude9 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 5:35 pm
    Saw old white guy, though uh oh, crazy American Islanophobe.

    Then heard the British accent, thought wait what? What does he have to say?
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    Bountykat Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 5:38 pm
    Dude, I have recently decided that Islam is worse than Christianity. And that`s saying something, seeing as how I was raised Catholic.
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    burbclaver Male 50-59
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    March 21, 2012 at 5:42 pm
    I`m not sure there aren`t a load of fundamentalist Christians wouldn`t execute gay people if they can get away with it too, but I take his point.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    March 21, 2012 at 5:52 pm
    While- to my mind- he speaks the truth, he paints a picture with a fairly broad brush.
    like Christianity,Judaism and most other religions, Islam has different paths.
    Not all people who believe in Islam are the type to indulge in honor killings, rape of children- or rape at all, and not all treat women as chattel- though their culture(Yes, their CULTURE) may have fairly rigid rules regarding a woman`s place.
    I have multiple members of two different families, from two different Islamic countries working for me who are Muslim; They left their homelands, they say due to the fact that they were unable to follow their Islamic beliefs in peace.
    And if you really want to look at things, WE are a Christian nation- supposedly, and we kill people all over the world, with the most advanced and well funded military the Earth has yet produced- in the name of freedom and peace.
    Our lesser motivated, or less able allies do their bits as well.
    So maybe, there is middle ground f
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    Only by admitting that you might be wrong about the BS you believe in can you make any progress toward some sort of truth. If you can`t even make that first step, then we can`t have a civilized conversation, regardless of what it`s about.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 6:05 pm
    You might turn this around on me and say "Lazy, you could be wrong about atheism for the same reason". Yes I might be wrong and some sort of god actually does exist. Most would admit that. I wouldn`t blame those that don`t though... they are merely being realists and throwing away a statistically negligible chance. Depending on the definition used, existence is always somewhere between zero and irrelevant to human life.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    March 21, 2012 at 6:09 pm
    @LazyMe484-
    I, for one, do not enter a conversation admitting I may be wrong. I enter a conversation to speak my mind, and listen to others speak theirs- if I hear things that make sense and change my position- by however much, great.
    I do not however, put conditions on others that may want to enter into a conversation with me requiring them to concede they may be wrong.
    But if you are willing to admit you are wrong, and want to converse, let me know.
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    jadoig Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 6:11 pm
    CaptKangaroo - HEAR HEAR!!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 21, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    I totally agree about the evils of Islam. I am so sick and tired of religious nuts pushing their agenda on people. That`s why I`m voting for Rick Santorum!
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    clancy54 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 6:41 pm
    @Gerry10f1 Rick Santorum has publicly come out against college and birth control. He literally wants us to be drating stupid :). I kid. Just something I found humorous.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 6:42 pm
    @CaptKangaroo I don`t either. I said *civilized* conversation after all. I don`t tell everyone I meet "are you prepared to admit you`re wrong", it`s not necessary.

    What I`m saying is if you start talking to someone about something uncertain, and they start every sentence with "I know" "I know" "I just know...", then the conversation is not civilized :(
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    robinbeirne Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 7:10 pm
    There are a great deal of tolerant nice Muslims in the UK that integrate well and interact with people of other faiths. I won`t deny that there are ones that live in self-segregated Muslim communities and are against modern British life. The problem is that the closed off Muslim communities cause friction with our society leading to groups of Muslim hating Brits who can`t tell the difference between a Muslim extremist and a those that fit into our society.
    This man in the video is speaking as if there is only one type of Muslim , those who are against us, this is not true.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 7:21 pm
    There`s one flaw in Condell`s video. He claims it is not a cultural issue, but strictly a religious one. Yet, Christianity and Judaism both contain some pretty barbaric, misogynistic teachings as well. So, why don`t we see the same behavior in Western countries as we do in Islamic countries? That points to a cultural issue. There was also a time in which the Islamic world was far more prolific in arts and sciences than the Western, Christian world. Once again, that`s a cultural and political difference.

    I know Condell wants to do away with all religion, and I`m not exactly a fan of religion either. But atheists need to realize that eliminating religion doesn`t remove man`s greed, lust for power, or selfishness. Religion is not the root of evil, though it certainly engages in a lot of it.
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    clancy54 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    @ FoolsPrussia
    Yes; they may have barbaric misogynistic teachings but they are not the same. Thus the flaw could be from, ya know, the different teachings. I think that is all that needs to be said.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:02 pm
    He made a lot of sense, too bad he is going to get beheaded.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    clancy54: But the point is that Christian and Jewish cultures both behaved similarly at other times in history. How would the puritan societies of the American settlers make you feel about Christians, if you viewed them from the outside? The Salem Witch Trials and The Scarlett Letter both sound an awful lot like modern Saudi Arabia.
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    clancy54 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:25 pm
    @ FoolishPrussia
    Yes of course the Salem witch trials and the scarlet letter were not the best times to view Christianity. However, as of today right now I am not aware of turmoil in the streets because of the teachings of Christianity. Right now, Islam does have that problem. Every religion, and yes culture, has had some dark spot in history.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    Clancy54: I hope that was just an accidental misspelling of my username and not a jab.

    We`re not really in disagreement here. I would say Islam definitely has that problem today.
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    Rogan Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:47 pm
    @clancy54
    You live in the Unites States and don`t see any any turmoil in the streets as a direct result of Christianity....where have you been?
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:47 pm
    I agree with most of that but at the same time I think it is important to acknowledge the truth about modern Christianity.

    modern Christianity is the religion of conquest wars in which they attack other countries that are different from them and practice religions they do not agree with (namely Islam) and then claim any retatilation by that group is "terrorism".
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:49 pm
    @FoolsPrussia, again you`re speaking about 300 years ago, and isolated cases no less!
    Islam is killing gays TODAY and all across the world, not 2 New England towns. Iman approved, government sanctioned killings in the name of peace!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    5cats: You`re missing my point. Both religions have sanctioned and encouraged barbarism at times. The Pope encouraged how much raping and pillaging in the past?

    This means that the problem in the Islamic world today is one of culture, since modern Christianity doesn`t have the widespread problems of modern Islamic society.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:01 pm
    If these same issues occurred in the past in Christian society, why do they not continue today? Because the culture changed.
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    photomstr Male 50-59
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    all those ancient religions will be modern man`s downfall
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    This guy seems like such a tortured soul. I suggest to anyone who has never met muslim, to go meet one or two.
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    Good speaker! You notice that? Not a single flub or hesitation! That`s excellent, and so is his message.
    People have the right to a religion, but they do not have the right to flout the law. And while I must respect the law that allows religions of all kinds, I am not required to respect any religion, and this is something the media seem to have forgotten.
    Following a religion does not give anyone carte blanche to act reprehensibly, but it seems to strike fear into the hearts of those who report the news.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    No truth on the internet
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    airsofter1 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:20 pm
    well at least somebody had the balls to say it.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:27 pm
    the truth about Islam... told by a middle aged white guy. i AM surprised he could talk in a sophisticated manner instead of just a bunch of racist ideas.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:43 pm
    jamie: You`re just full of it man. Islamic terrorists don`t give a damn about what happened during the crusades, their objective is to spread islam and sharia law worldwide, then start a world war to bring their `messiah` to earth.

    They are having many more children than their neighbors in European countries with the eventual plan to be THE majority in those countries and take them over from within. Belgium is the most likely to be the first such casualty in Europe, by 2020. In 2030, if things don`t change, you won`t recognize Europe as being `European` anymore and Great Britain will be speaking arabic.
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    buttsdowhat Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:54 pm
    This is beyond true. I agree.
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    While the Middle East is pretty socially backwards, it`s not Islam`s fault. The Bible teaches the same horrible things, (like the fact that gays are executed in Africa in the name of Christianity) but at the same time, 95% of all Christians and Muslims are not as crazy as this guy says they are.
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    Fleaman1797 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 10:19 pm
    @TheShgn2, how about this.. Christians can practice their beliefs in their own homes, and they keep their bullpoo out of the workplace, schools, ect.. and Islamic retards such as yourself can do the same? does that sound good? Christians while bad. do not demand the same sort of poo the Islamic creeps do. if a christian demanded (prayer time) at work they would be fired. if they demanded a QUARTER of the BS these fuzzy faced non-nice individuals do, they would be laughed at. Religion isnt cool. its a horrible, outdated, worthless system and it NEEDS TO BE BANNED FROM CULTURE AS A WHOLE. at LEAST everywhere else but in the private home.
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    ak2nc1 Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 10:25 pm
    Meh. The blacks were glad when Islam and Muslims started taking the hard knocks socially but now I`m tired of hearing about it. What else is on?
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    DinVen Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 10:41 pm
    IAB now featuring middle aged Liveleak haters? Certainly the place to get your unbiased information on complex issues, especially if you like your information covered in prejudice, hate, condemnation and a general lack of facts and perspective.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 12:37 am
    This guy is 100% right about the extremist muslims. But as with all large groups, not ALL of its members are this way. Within any group, you will find extreme ones, reserved ones, and ones in between. Though i agree that the planet should probably say `drat human rights` and move into muslim-land and straight up murder the extreme muslims that do the things that this man speaks of. Once this is complete, cancel the `drat human rights` thing and let things continue on.
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 12:41 am
    If everyone lived by the simple rule of - by Bible

    "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"

    ...the world would be so much nicer

    Gay people for example... why execute them for wanting to have sex with someone they love?! - Would you want to be executed for just having sex?! NO! Men... would you want to be a slave, be subordinate, have fewer rights... NO. So why are the women given that?!
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    March 22, 2012 at 1:40 am
    The reason for my atheism is religion and it`s associated bigotry.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 22, 2012 at 2:06 am
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 22, 2012 at 2:40 am
    What would (the original) Draculya do? He lined the highways with kebabs for miles and miles starting at the border.

    I`m not saying that`s acceptable behaviour these days...
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    razbitom Male 40-49
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    March 22, 2012 at 2:44 am
    forget the religious side of the matter, the essay itself is untrue.
    at no point are verifiable events or any true data offered. he uses the percieved truth of targeted popular opinion as a supporting premise (ie. his saying, in short, "we all know there are muslim rape gangs". he didn`t *say* it, but your brain thought it due to phrasing). he classes everyone he speaks of in terms of VAST sweeping generalisations: asians as opposed to muslims, westerners as "WE" (programming the listener).

    effective orator, complete failure at offering a valid argument (by definition).
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    varnsen Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2012 at 3:01 am
    The spread of radical Islam is an oft` cited and totally legit concern. Fortunately, the radicals` lastest tactic has no chance of succeeding in the modern world.

    The 1st and 2nd intifadas (8th & 15th centuries) were successful `cos the alternative at the time was a brutally oppressive Catholicism, and a very low quality of life.

    These days, radical Muslims aren`t just competing against an alternate religion to save people from the drudgery of life, but are up against everyday life itself, which has become increasingly drudge-LESS over the last few centuries. They may be attempting to cordon themselves off and propogate, but they won`t be able to stop their children being drawn to the benefits offered by modern secularism.

    Like creationist Christianity, radical Islam is fighting a losing battle against the modern world and its education, human rights awareness, freedom of expression, etc.
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    akabane Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 3:03 am
    @I-Am-Bored.com

    why dont we just make a religion category to put this stuff in? It seems that at least once a day (if not more), there is something against religion.
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    LilyLily Female 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 3:10 am
    Stopped watching as soon as he started going on about it being `Religion and NOT culture"

    A- because I live near Melbourne, an area dense with different cultures, so I have some wonderful friends and aquientences who follow Islam and are the most wonderful, peaceful people you will ever meet. Therefore, the religion itself is, in my experience, not the problem in itself.

    and B- Because this guy has no concept of the actual argument of ethnicity (Culture + Religion) that forms these radicial groups. He doe snot even know the basic sociological arguments of what he is spouting, and as a result is infuriatingly uneducated to listen to. If you`re going to make this argument, at least have proper facts to support it.

    Do I deny their are radical Muslims? Hell no. Theirs also a lot of radical Christians, etc out there (Klu Klux Klan anyone?) but havting on something that he obviously does not understand? Nope.avi
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    March 22, 2012 at 3:13 am
    razbitom - pretty much covers the dabate
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    bataleon27 Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 3:14 am
    he makes a few valid points, amidst quite a few counts of blatant racism. If you are trying to get your point across in a clear an dignified manner, don`t tell them to get out the country and take their `fuzzy faced` friends with them.
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    LilyLily Female 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 3:19 am
    "They are having many more children than their neighbors in European countries with the eventual plan to be THE majority in those countries and take them over from within. Belgium is the most likely to be the first such casualty in Europe, by 2020. In 2030, if things don`t change, you won`t recognize Europe as being `European` anymore and Great Britain will be speaking arabic. "

    Every time I read something you write I get an aneurysm. Do you seriously believe this stuff?

    Do you get the basics of why these countries ar like this? When `Western` countries were at that level of development we to were breeding like mad (no bith control an religious opposition to it) treating women like trash and generally doing very similar things due to a lack of education for the masses, amongst other things. If you want to fix this perceived problem, get out there and help. Educate children at risk so they have the ability to go to university and become productive people-
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2012 at 3:20 am
    LilyLily

    If it is culture not religion, then how come in countries with mixed-religion populations it is the Muslims killing the non-Muslims.
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    LilyLily Female 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 3:22 am
    - Instead of falling into the cycle of brainwashing, being fed an extremist interoperation of the Koran, taught to use guns and hauled off to fight.

    Help these people to help themselves. Education, healthcare, etc. Within a few generations, their lives will improve markedly, and their need to resort to extremist ideals (such as western society did) will decline.
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    LilyLily Female 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 3:30 am
    randomxnp

    - It is a mixture of both. It`s an ethnicity related thing. This guy is incorrect to say it is just one.

    In certain areas with similar standards of living their are radical Christians who do much of the same thing, abusing women and killing. TheShgn2 touched on it. Is that solely religion? No. Is it solely culture? Also no. Both play parts. It`s called ethnicity.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    March 22, 2012 at 3:43 am
    When they came up with the idea of freedom of religion they didn`t take in to consideration these a-holes excuse for a religion.
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    CynicalGamer Male 40-49
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    March 22, 2012 at 3:55 am
    Wow, so many people discounting him over semantics or misguided perspectives.
    This is not a formal submission for debate or a scholarly work. It is pure opinion and I don`t get the feeling the orator implies differently. So to discount his message based on inaccuracy and assumption is silly and makes you guilty of what you are accusing him for.
    It also doesn`t matter if it is cultural, religious, or ethnic, what matters is these things do and are happening all around us. To debate over the phrasing demeans the atrocities and the victims themselves.
    What I do find interesting is that Islam is following the same path as Christianity. Islam is many years behind in its development and it will be interesting to see what happens. We are already seeing (as many have stated) members of the faith branching off as they come to realize the flaws of the core system of belief. Let`s just hope that Islam follows a similar path, maybe even better. But for now someone needs to stand up to
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 22, 2012 at 4:24 am
    "If it is culture not religion, then how come in countries with mixed-religion populations it is the Muslims killing the non-Muslims."

    While I dislike all religions and Islam especially, I won`t deny that muslims have been and continute to be persecuted mercilessly by countrymen of other religions, especially by Hindus, Christians and Jews.

    Not by atheists, though. Atheists don`t persecute. We smirk smugly, but we won`t stone, behead, or crucify you.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 6:17 am
    OK, the next time a Christian rapes someone, I want the new report to say, "Another victims of Christian rape", because if they don`t I feel that it is a slander against Jews and Jedi`s.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    March 22, 2012 at 6:30 am
    just like they did back in the USA
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    avail9988 Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 6:32 am
    Can we not just bomb them already? hint hint USA
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 6:38 am
    Islam is terrible, but no more so than any other religion. They`re all poo.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2012 at 7:15 am
    @zombunny, Exactly!
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    Dragonace Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2012 at 7:30 am
    Islam was created by the Vatican to wipe out the Jews and various North African rebel groups. It was all about power at the time, but little did they know that their little pet project would become so warped and out of control as the years progressed.
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    Sinn Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 7:53 am
    Part of the reason I moved to Sweden was because of its 90%+ atheist population. And it`s awesome.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 22, 2012 at 7:55 am
    "Islam was created by the Vatican to wipe out the Jews and various North African rebel groups. It was all about power at the time, but little did they know that their little pet project would become so warped and out of control as the years progressed."

    So it`s like HIV and the CIA?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2012 at 7:59 am
    "If it is culture not religion, then how come in countries with mixed-religion populations it is the Muslims killing the non-Muslims."

    I guess you weren`t alive during the late 1990s during the Bosnian War.
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    Kaagan Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 8:30 am
    sooo.. concentration camps for muslims?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2012 at 10:14 am
    "Islam was created by the Vatican to wipe out the Jews and various North African rebel groups."

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    It`s odd Baal hasn`t weighed in on this. He`s our resident Muslim apologist.
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    evanbartlett Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    Anytime people say, "Many don`t know this, but `insert thing not liked` was created by `bureaucratic entity` to..." I immediately turn off. The nods and smiles start. I nodded and smiled through that whole piece.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    He`s our resident Muslim apologist.

    If that`s true then count me in as well. Seriously I get there are extremists, but me and Baal (by our own devices) make it a point to separate them from the rest.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    [quote">If it is culture not religion, then how come in countries with mixed-religion populations it is the Muslims killing the non-Muslims.[/quote">

    NEWSFLASH: A Muslim in Sri Lanka has been murdered by a Buddhist!

    [/shocker">
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    tttaylorrr Female 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 1:02 pm
    whatever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty? /:
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    tttaylorrr Female 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 1:02 pm
    okay, that comment was not for this. lol.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 1:10 pm
    @CynicalGamer

    Be that as it may, using inaccurate and misguided rhetoric will only pressure the moderate, non-radical flock isolate themselves or take sides. The overwhelming majority of Muslims do not engage in such atrocities like those committed by the Taliban, and al Qaeda. The focus should be directed to those groups, not a blanket approach.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    They are having many more children than their neighbors in European countries with the eventual plan to be THE majority in those countries and take them over from within. Belgium is the most likely to be the first such casualty in Europe, by 2020. In 2030, if things don`t change, you won`t recognize Europe as being `European` anymore and Great Britain will be speaking arabic.

    It seems to me you just like debating the science of biology dude. Seriously, birth rate is going down because it`s reaching its carrying capacity. Even from an economics standpoint it makes total sense given the fact that as resources and real estate become more scarce it simply becomes more expensive to raise children. Even the "invaders" have to compete with the locals for those resources.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    @tttaylorr

    Click the "Delete Post" link
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 22, 2012 at 2:07 pm
    Cajun: White European birth rates are well below their sustainable rate, Belgium is at 1.4 kids per family.

    The sustainable rate is 2.2 kids.

    Mid-East immigrants are having 3-5 kids per family.

    It doesn`t take a social biologist to realize what will happen within a generation or two.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 4:15 pm
    The sustainable rate is 2.2 kids.

    Source or GTFO.

    It doesn`t take a social biologist to realize what will happen within a generation or two.

    Nor does it take a "social biologist" to figure out what WON`T hurr durr.
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2012 at 4:56 pm
    The Christian far-right criticizes Muslims?

    Well, I`ll be!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 22, 2012 at 5:42 pm
    Atheists don`t persecute.
    @Draculya: Joe Stalin, Chairman Mao, Kim Jong Il, Pol Pot, shall I continue?
    Note how ALL these examples are less than 100 years old, eh?
    So it`s like HIV and the CIA?
    Ok, your sarcastic wit has saved you this time @Draculya! lolz!

    @Cajun, it`s in the Koran! If you can`t defeat an enemy with military power, move into their country and breed like bunnies! In a couple of generations Muslims will be the majority & take over!
    Muhammed might not have said "bunnies" but it`s still a FACT.
    If you make me hunt down a source I`ll be rather grumpy.
    And 2.2 births per couple is OBVIOUSLY the rate needed to sustain a stable population level, duh! Of course that is all by itself, not counting immigration or emmigration.
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    Sam1002 Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2012 at 6:40 pm
    A typical speech from someone who only listens to the western media`s portrayal of Islam. After all Bad news is good news. It is highly unlikely this guy has even spoken to a Muslim.

    As someone who is living in Indonesia, I can give first hand accounts of the tolerance and peacful nature of the majority of Muslims here.

    These are just a few links to some articles from the Jakarta post, a newspaper from Indonesia, the most populated Muslim country in the world.

    Tolerance between Muslims and Christians

    The country`s largest Muslim organisation creates movement to counter the FPI (a hard-line Islamic group)

    Link

    Centr
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    Sam1002 Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2012 at 6:41 pm
    cont...

    Central Kalimantan officially rejects the FPI:

    Link
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2012 at 7:07 pm
    They are having many more children than their neighbors in European countries with the eventual plan to be THE majority in those countries and take them over from within. Belgium is the most likely to be the first such casualty in Europe, by 2020. In 2030, if things don`t change, you won`t recognize Europe as being `European` anymore and Great Britain will be speaking arabic.
    F*ck me Crakrjak, you actually believe this crap you`re spouting, don`t you? Belgium is going to be the first "casualty" in Europe in 2020? What the f*ck does that even mean? And the UK is going to be speaking Arabic in 2030?

    Dude, do yourself a favour. Stop getting your "news" on European affairs from that right-wing fascist tabloid rag The Daily Mail.

    It`s very easy to tell you`ve never been to a Muslim country, never mind been outside of the US. Have you been to Canada even? Outside of your own state?

    I`m glad not all Americans are as ignorant.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 23, 2012 at 12:36 am
    And 2.2 births per couple is OBVIOUSLY the rate needed to sustain a stable population level, duh! Of course that is all by itself, not counting immigration or emmigration.

    There is no scholarly article or academic research to back this "number" up. It`s alarmist rhetoric trying to pass itself off as legit science a la AGW.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    March 23, 2012 at 7:47 am
    davy & cajun: Once again you doubt me, what a shock.

    I`ll invite you again to do your own research for a few minutes. Search for `Europe declining birth rate` and `Muslim birth rate in Europe`.

    Or to make it simple, Watch this

    Just because the truth is too scary for you to admit doesn`t make it `alarmist`.

    The only way Europe can save itself is to reverse it`s immigration policies into mass deportation of muslims and start having a lot of kids of their own. Otherwise `Eurabia` is a certainty.
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    Omphaloskept Male 40-49
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    March 23, 2012 at 10:23 am
    BS, Pat Condell: It`s totally culture and not religion. As a matter of fact, we rate a culture`s sophistication by just how much of their religion they ignore. No longer murder children for back talking their parents? Congrats -- you`re sophisticated but not reading Leviticus literally. At one point, Muslim Baghdad was the scientific and cultural bright-spot on the planet while Christian Europe was wallowing in mud and running at each other with sticks. They read the exact same Koran then...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 23, 2012 at 10:40 am
    I already did my research CrakrJak the fatal flaw in your argument (and your videos) is that it assumes Muslims will never integrate into the societies of their host countries nor will it face the same pressures of the native population. It makes short term measurements and assumes they will hold in the long term.

    The only way Europe can save itself is to reverse it`s immigration policies into mass deportation of muslims and start having a lot of kids of their own. Otherwise `Eurabia` is a certainty.

    Oh yes Europe needs to solve a such an obvious demographic problem by resorting to draconian methods. Seriously, those policies will drive more Muslims into the hands of the extremists. Force them to live in authoritarian regimes.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 23, 2012 at 10:42 am
    So many authoritarian regimes would disappear if immigration wasn`t restricted like it is today.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 23, 2012 at 10:59 am
    Why islamophobia must die
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    March 23, 2012 at 3:56 pm
    It`s funny coz it`s true
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 23, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    The only way Europe can save itself is to reverse it`s immigration policies into mass deportation of muslims and start having a lot of kids of their own. Otherwise `Eurabia` is a certainty.
    Funny you say that, we had a dude with similar ideas here in Europe back in 1939. The message of population control/immigration control on specific religious groups was somewhat similar to yours, though his beef was with Jews rather than Muslims. Austrian chap, his name escapes me for now.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
    463 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 8:51 am
    @davymid
    The problem with Hitler is that instead of sending the Jews away, he decided to kill them all. Big mistake.
    What this guy says is on the money. Unfortunately, Britain has already been taken over. I don`t think we`ll roll over so easily here is the U.S.

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