The Tale Of The Tape: Zimmerman & Martin

Submitted by: hovalady411 5 years ago in

Something says this will be a court case with enough controversy to equal 100 Rodney King trials. There"s already spin.
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Female 734
If you started chasing me for no reason I would try to kick your ass when you caught me also. Guess I`ll get shot too.
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Male 1,360
What if Travon had killed Zimmerman and claimed self defense? He has more reason to, he was followed by a stranger that called him out of no where!
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Female 584
No body other than Zimmerman knows who attacked who. All that is really known is that a unarmed teenager is dead and his killer had a bloody nose...
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Male 10,338
Agreed Squrlz.

Shoulda been Hispanic guy harassed black kid. Black kid jumped hispanic guy. Hispanic guy shot black kid. In other news........
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Male 5,000
"I would like to announce that I will no longer post anything in support of George Zimmernam. Why? Because I just learned that he is a registered Democrat, which means that he brought all this on himself. The fact of his guilt or innocence no longer matters to me any more that it does to the liberals on this site. By all means, go ahead and lynch him. It`s what he deserves."

You are a joke. I feel sorry for you actually. Going through life hating people for no other reason than their political association. If you think people are defined by their political leaning your head is way way to far up your ass.
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Male 1,048
I hate the media. It overplays THIS poo, when there are clearly more important issues going on. Yes I know, corruption and leeching and this being what people want are the cause. But it just does my head in. This isn`t the only person to die that day. This wasn`t the only mother to lose a child. And don`t say welcome to the world. I already heard that when I was born. Once is enough
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Male 6,227
@AJ et al: IMHO, we have definitely entered the Twilight Zone when the argument is being made that it doesn`t matter if a photo of the deceased Trayvon Martin is actually a photo of someone else.

What a monstrous mess this whole thing has become.
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Male 10,338
"child is dead. Whether Zimmerman was registered to carry his weapon or not, whether he was acting in self-defense or not, he should be tried in a court of law."

Screw that. If a baby is trying to kill me, I`m gonna kill the baby!
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Female 547
A child is dead. Whether Zimmerman was registered to carry his weapon or not, whether he was acting in self-defense or not, he should be tried in a court of law.
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Male 10,338
"The pictures of the kid looking menacing and flashing the gang signs? That`s not the Trayvon Martin who got shot."

Who gives a poo. The mainstream media throws around false information all the time. Turnabout is fair play.
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Male 206
@OldOllie: Congratulations. I hadn`t seen anyone say anything that stupid since Geraldo blamed the hoodie.
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Male 15,832
I would like to announce that I will no longer post anything in support of George Zimmernam. Why? Because I just learned that he is a registered Democrat, which means that he brought all this on himself. The fact of his guilt or innocence no longer matters to me any more that it does to the liberals on this site. By all means, go ahead and lynch him. It`s what he deserves.
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Male 206
First of all: The pictures of the kid looking menacing and flashing the gang signs? That`s not the Trayvon Martin who got shot. That`s another black kid that Michelle Malkin`s crew of Twitchy monkeys found on Facebook with the same name (but different state) and posted his photos online. Why? One possibility is they were stupid and lazy. The other possibility is that they knew, but wanted some "gangsta"-lookin pics to make Martin look like the guilty party (like whoever wrote this Tale of the Tape). 2nd: If Zimmerman`s "numerous injuries" are relevent, so is Martin`s death. 3rd: Using police-leaked info on Martin`s suspension while ignoring Zimmerman`s prior arrests is just BS. 4th: Martin initiated physical contact? Only according to Zimmerman. Martin was unavailable to comment, BECAUSE HE WAS DEAD
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Male 40,728
1,177 vs 464 in 2009.
1,324 vs 459 in 2008.

Whites killed by blacks VS blacks killed by whites.
Not including Aborigionals, Latinos or "other".

USA: 72% white, 15% Latino/Native 13% Black

Total murders: 13,041 murders of all kinds in 2009
13,780 in 2008.

There you go! Blacks are apx 12 times more likely to murder whites, based on population %.

More whites are killed by blacks than blacks by whites, despite whites outnumbering them by 5:1.

SOURCE I put this stuff up on another thread too.
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Male 379
my god people. zimmerman shot and killed that kid. no dispute there. he was not law enforcement and had no right to pursue anyone. he should be (and i would imagine will be) punished accordingly. now turning this into black vs white is equally disgusting. how many times has a `white person` been shot and killed in a `black neighborhood?` you don`t know? that`s because it isn`t blown into a national f*ucking circus act when it does. please. how about everyone just play into it. that ought to make things better.
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Male 1,008
not from my 17 year old son, and not from me when i was 17 either. degrading women is not something that is acceptable, period. if i caught my son spewing that garbage anywhere it would be the end of social media for him until he moved out. didnt trayvons parents monitor his twitter/facebook/texts? I know my kids will not be unsupervised in those forums until they pay rent and then i will still probably monitor them, forever.
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Female 465
This is all over alternative media, The alphabet soup media does not tell the truth. If you really want to know what`s going on go to the Drudge Report, I Own the World, the Mark Levin Show, the Quinn & Rose show, Rush Limbaugh, etc. There is no excuse for not being informed. If you chose not to be informed then you deserve to be used.
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Male 40,728
Agreed @dognose82, except Zimmerman is Latino, not white! The press has sometimes called him a "white latino" which is like calling Obama a "white black" man.

Yeah @yusuksomuch, I saw lots of jeuvinile smack-talk, which I`d expect from a 17 year old of any race.

Did anyone know that Zimmerman was an alter-boy? The MSM has "double vision" eh?
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Male 1,008
@5cats, I got to the "need a b!tch any B1tch will do", tweet, and stopped right there. i drating hate that insecure talk from weak little men. anyone who would say something like that needs to be educated repeatedly by the father of a female.
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Male 275
@mil578
wasnt saying that the dispatchers advice was the law but was saying that if he had listened to the dispatcher and let the cops get there first this wouldnt even be a story
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Male 153
Point of fact, if Zimmerman was defenseless, calling for help and kicking his head smashed in, the fight was already over. The kid continued to pummel him. If he continued to beat him to death it would have been manslaughter; period.

Regardless of what Zimmerman was doing, there is no law that says you can`t follow someone or even question them, if Trayvon attacked him then Zimmerman was justified. As someone else stated, you do not have to follow the recommendations of a 911 dispatcher.

The media, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Trayvon`s family have turned this into a witch hunt. Zimmerman is screwed no matter what happened. Regardless of what Florida law states he is going to prison.

17 year old was shot and killed while committing assault and battery. He was black and unarmed. Killed by a white guy. White guy was justified according to the law. White guy still screwed because the media and civil rights groups make it out to be a racism issue. J
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Male 40,728
MAP of that area

Click "Bird`s Eye" to get a good look at the layout, eh?
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Male 40,728
MSNBC Reports 3 Suspensions
Of course they make tons of excuses...
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Male 26
@ElijaBlack A dispatcher`s orders are not a lawful order you must follow. It is a recommendation. By someone sitting in a cubicle who just wants you not to sue the city. So of course they`ll ALWAYS say don`t do anything. The fact he disobeyed a DISPATCHER is the weakest stupidest argument of this entire fiasco.
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Male 40,728
@yusuksomuch Did you wade through those tweets? I tried, but I find it hard to read "tweet-talk" since I`m not on that BookFace eh?

no limit nigga
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Male 40,728
@markust: Someone else said @LillianDulci should be a lawyer, not me. I think @jt is actually some sort of lawyer...

The Miami Herald reported the suspension story, they`d be burned down if it was fake.
It`s true, it doesn`t "change" anything, but one of the formost arguements by the M side is how "unreasonable" it was to think M was looking into people`s houses and possibly on drugs.
Yet, in his background? There it is.
And the pro-M side makes hay with Z`s history, don`t they?

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Male 275
zimmerman was told by the dispatcher to not follow him and he did anyway oh no creepy guy following a kid got attacked by the kid if it had been a sex offender people would praise the kid for defending himself but it wasnt it was a self apointed neighborhood watchman with a gun
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Male 6,227
@Markust: I get your point and I agree that all this speculation is worth a hill of beans. That said, I`m not so ready to dismiss the story about the screwdriver and the jewelry found in Trayvon`s backpack as hearsay. That information came from a "Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald" (according to the story in the Miami Herald).
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Male 5,000
A teen is found with a large screw driver and a bag of jewelry and his parents are not contacted and he`s not arrested. Yeah, that sounds like a legitimate story. People on both sides of this story are so quick to believe hearsay.
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Male 10,338
"The kid was a bean pole at 6`2 140-160lbs."

I read somewhere that his actual weight is 6`3" 200.

Gonna find it now.
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Male 14,331
Wannabe banger got banged.
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Male 6,227
Just to be clear about what we`re discussing, below is a photo of a "large flathead screwdriver." I was into all sorts of mechanical and DIY projects in my teens, and I don`t think I ever carried one of these around. For its intended purpose, it`s a tool that you seldom need. In most cases where large fasteners are required, hex head bolts are used instead of slotted screws because they`re easier to control.

So not a lot of legitimate uses for a large flathead. But because of the flat tip and the leverage, it`s a break-in tool par excellence.

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Male 6,227
(cont`d)

Granted, a 17-year-old carrying a large flathead screwdriver in his backpack is proof of nothing. But throw in a dozen pieces of jewelry, including diamond earrings and silver wedding bands, for which Trayvon was able to provide no explanation other than "a friend gave them to me," and it starts to look pretty bad.
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Male 6,227
Omigosh. I`ve only now dipped back into this thread and the story. The information on Martin`s suspensions does change my perception of him, particularly the business about the screwdriver and the jewelry.

Lillian, one the one hand, you`re right: a screwdriver is a screwdriver. When I was reading your posts, I was wondering if the screwdriver was a small one. Even an eyeglass repair screwdriver (those tiny ones) could be described on a form as a "screwdriver." But reading the story in The Miami Herald, I see it was a school investigator who found the screwdriver and it was "a large flathead" (that`s important: a Phillips would be less incriminating because it lacks the flat tip that can be used as a pry bar). The investigator was the one who first described it as "a break-in tool."
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Male 5,000
5Cats, you said in another post that you should have been a lawyer. All you have been talking about is Zimmermans innocence. Why don`t you pretend you have been hired by Travon`s family and see if you can show his innocence?
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Male 5,000
The kid was a bean pole at 6`2 140-160lbs. I`m 6` 160lbs and am rail thin- well except for my little beer belly that I loving call my Ethiopian death belly,
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Male 1,008
if this is his, he was a thug not a sweet innocent boy, not saying he deserved to die, but he definitely deserved to get his azz handed to him for his lovely depiction of women in his tweets

no limit nigga
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Male 40,728
Hi @Patchy!
Anything to add? Detract? Transubstantiate?
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Male 5,811
Wow, this poo blew up. I`m done with this poo, I`m bidding on a Fox News hoodie and I`m the max bid...
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Male 599
@auburnjunky Looks delicious. You better make her into a stew.
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Male 40,728
You got that right @yusuksomuch!
Heck, MY screwdriver is at least 14"!! hahaha!!12"?? 10"??? 10 centimeters? Ah I love metric!

Nono NO! @AJ people only use pistols to kill black folks! EVERYONE knows that!

And by "people" I mean whites, eh?

Like Zimmerman, who`s half and half, but we`ll call white because it fits our bias...
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Male 10,338
People use pistols for hunting all the time.
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Male 1,008
its not the size of the screwdriver...... jk, i did read somewhere that it was a large slotted screwdriver though
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Male 40,728
Something to look at

Noooo, @LillianDulci I`m making a logical conclusion that a 2" screwdriver (such as is useful for electronic repairs) would NEVER be caaled a "break-in tool" but that a 14" one (which is pretty much useless except for professional carpenters and criminals), would.
Logic, I can haz it!
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Female 2,674
So now you`re making assumptions about the size of the screwdriver, too?
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Male 40,728
[quote]asshat[/quote]
Oooch! Ouch! Oh @Altaru? That "moral high ground" you imagine you`re on? Yeah it`s the gutter actually...
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Male 40,728
I just KNEW you`d say that!
Micro-screwdriver: Useful to fix stuff, not useful to break into things
14" long screwdriver: NOT useful for fixing electronics, VERY useful for breaking into cars and houses.

Again: if it was called a "break-in tool" I doubt very much is was 2" long...
However, I can name 3 ways to get into and start a car with a LONG screwdriver, just from the break-ins in my back yard! These little criminals get TRAINED to break in, and their #1 tool? A long, slot, screwdriver.
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Male 3,482
[quote]How many teens who do NOT break into things carry those around in their backpacks?
Hint: zero.[/quote]

(Because this was posted while I was typing my previous post, I`ll stick around for ONE more.)

BZZT. WRONG!

I carried around a screwdriver that I used to take apart my electronics every so often.

You don`t know what kind of screwdriver it was. You only know that some cop described it as a "break-in tool." Well, I could have broken into a locker with mine, making it a "break-in tool," but I didn`t.

You`re making as ASSUMPTION (ooh, tables turned asshat) that it was the kind of screwdriver people use to break into cars and the like.

And 5Cats has reduced himself to a sniveling ball of trollery. I think we broke him, guys. I guess that`s game over then? Good work, all. Let`s wrap this up and head on home.
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Male 40,728
[quote]You`ve begun arguing FACTS[/quote]
FIFY! Aww! You`r beating a hastey retreat? Figures.
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Male 40,728
[quote]but under current Florida law there is.[/quote]
And, therefor, Zimmerman is... innocent in the eyes of the law, correct?

(ps this is about as long as I`m going to tolerate your troll-like behavious, fyi bro.)

( meaning, I`ll... I`ll... like totally ignore you! So there!)
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Male 3,482
[quote]YOU state this as "fact" that I say this. Which I do not btw... THEN you offer a "scenario as "proof"?
Nice try, but teh fail? it`s epic![/quote]
You`ve begun arguing semantics.

I`m done here.
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Male 40,728
@LillianDulci: Again, it`s "evidence" not "proof" of anything.
But even you must agree, it does look "suspicious" eh?

And the teens that broke into my car(s) (IDK how old the house-braker was, older I think) had those very same screwdrivers to use to break in. How many teens who do NOT break into things carry those around in their backpacks?
Hint: zero.
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Male 3,482
[quote]So when Z says his thing, it turns out he MIGHT BE correct.[/quote]
Except that

A) Z didn`t know about M`s history.
B) M DIDN`T have drugs on him.
C) M DIDN`T have tools for breaking into things with him (unless skittles and Arizona cans are "break-in tools" now too?)

So no, Z WASN`T right, as hindsight has shown.

Z made an erroneous assumption about M based on Z`s paranoia, then acted rashly. That led to this whole situation and a teenager being shot and killed.

There should be no justification for that, but under current Florida law there is. And that`s bullsh*t.
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Male 40,728
[quote]BTW, still waiting on that link you were supposed to provide showing Z`s arrest was for "passive resistance[/quote]
You can just as easily go back through IAB`s postings about this case and find them, lazy bones.

[quote]I grow weary of your assumptions that M must have attacked Z for no reason.[/quote]
YOU state this as "fact" that I say this. Which I do not btw... THEN you offer a "scenario as "proof"?
Nice try, but teh fail? it`s epic!
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Female 2,674
"MY HOME was broken into via a screwdriver, it`s not "what if" it`s a fact.

My CAR was broken into with a screwdriver, several times! (different cars too!) It`s a fact! "

AND? What`s your point? One use out of thousands, so now your deeming every screwdriver to be a break-in tool? You`re purposefully distorting the truth by referring to it as a break-in tool when you have no idea if it`s being used for that purpose. It`d be one thing if it were something like a gun (you can call that a killing tool because it`s main purpose is to kill, for example), but for something as versatile as a screwdriver, it`s really asinine to refer to it as a "break-in tool" when you have no idea what he was going to use it for.
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Male 1,008
the only thing that really matters is, are the lynch mob leaders going to rile up their crowds enough to cause more damage or are the courts going to be allowed to decide right from wrong according to the law as it is written. time will tell, but personally i think we are going to see some rioting.
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Male 40,728
[quote]5Cats, he said it was a likely scenario, which is pretty much the same as saying it`s something he thinks happened and isn`t fact.[/quote]
He was using it to dispute my FACTS. That`s entirely different.

[quote]Practice for the above.[/quote]
Tell that to the Olympic Team, bigot! In your black & white world, there`s only ONE possible use for a pistol? Just admit that, get it off your chest.
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Male 3,482
[quote]He claims my facts are WRONG,[/quote]
What facts? I agree he had a screwdriver, anything from that point on is assumption and speculation on both our parts, especially considering GUESS WHAT? NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT. The jewelry was never found to be stolen, and nothing indicated he had used the screwdriver to break into anything.

[quote]then "disproves" them with a "likely scenario", ok? He needs to stfu, IMHO.[/quote]
I need to stfu?

You need to shut your mouth before you prove yourself as bad as OldOllie at not realizing how stupid he sounds.

(BTW, still waiting on that link you were supposed to provide showing Z`s arrest was for "passive resistance.")
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Male 3,631
I can hear Aerosmith playing the memorial service - "Trayvon ... Trayvon ... Trayvon ... ahahaha...."
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Male 40,728
@LillianDulci: your histrionics don`t change the facts. MY HOME was broken into via a screwdriver, it`s not "what if" it`s a fact.

My CAR was broken into with a screwdriver, several times! (different cars too!) It`s a fact!

I don`t have to prove anything, I`m simply saying it COULD BE used for that.
YOU have no valid reason for his having it, and suspicious items, do you? And you must agree, those things ARE `suspicious` eh?

So when Z says his thing, it turns out he MIGHT BE correct. That`s all I`m saying here.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Self defense[/quote]
That falls into the "scaring people off and shooting them when they don`t run away" category, last I knew.

[quote]target shooting[/quote]
Practice for the above. And it`s a hell of a lot more fun to shoot targets with a much larger, much less street legal weapon than a concealed handgun.
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Female 2,674
5Cats, he said it was a likely scenario, which is pretty much the same as saying it`s something he thinks happened and isn`t fact.
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Male 3,482
[quote]@LillianDulci Not really, there is a witness that debunks his assumption.[/quote]
The witness only reported seeing M beating on Z.

Which, like I`ve said, could be because M didn`t want to turn his back on some random stalker with a gun.

It`s also still a matter of figuring out whose voice it really was calling for help. And who are the witnesses on either side?

A friend of Z`s.
vs.
Multiple people who have said the cries were those of a teenager.
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Female 2,674
"Now I guess the tables are turned. I`m the one who doesn`t want to visit Florida, where someone can pick a fight and shoot me, and it would be ok as long as I managed to be winning at some point. "

I absolutely HATE living in Florida, and that law is one of the many reasons. I don`t blame you for not wanting to come here.
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Male 40,728
[quote]So when you were going on about how the gun might have accidentally gone off rather than Zimmerman shooting it[/quote]
I ALWAYS, each and EVERY TIME prefaced that with "I think" or "I guess" Or "It`s MY opinion"

Go look, provide links where I failed to do so.
Please do!

Here: @Altaru exclaims something to be a fact, then says : scenario.

To be trivial: He claims my facts are WRONG, then "disproves" them with a "likely scenario", ok? He needs to stfu, IMHO.
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Female 2,674
"But the fact remains, what M had CAN be used for breakins, and he HAD stuff he chose not to account for."

My cellphone can be used for a break-in. I can toss it through a window to break it, for example. So we should go around calling cellphones as break-in tools? You are being extremely dishonest by calling the SCREWDRIVER a "break-in tool" when you have absolutely no idea whatsoever if he was going to use the screwdriver for breaking in. You`re singling out one tiny possible reason for using a screwdriver, and acting as if that`s the screwdriver`s main purpose. It`s not. It`s a screwdriver, it has a name, and it has hundreds of different legitimate uses. I have used a screwdriver many times in my life, and I`m sure you have too, and not once did I use it for breaking in. That`s not it`s main purpose and there`s no reason to call it a break-in tool other than to try to distort the truth.
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Male 2,516
@ivran. I agree with the premise, not with the conclusion. But I`ll be damned, after reading the "Stand your ground law" in Florida, section 776.041 (2), Stand your Ground Law in Florida he did have the right to shoot Trayvon if he feared for his life even after provoking, even after being the aggressor.

Now I guess the tables are turned. I`m the one who doesn`t want to visit Florida, where someone can pick a fight and shoot me, and it would be ok as long as I managed to be winning at some point.

That`s messed up.
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Male 40,728
[quote]A handgun has two uses when it`s not being used for hunting[/quote]
Self defense and target shooting. You dig yourself in deeper with every stupid post @Altaru...

@LillianDulci: You`ve never listened to a "drug paraphanilia" trial have you? It`s a JOKE! But the fact remains, what M had CAN be used for breakins, and he HAD stuff he chose not to account for. Mighty suspicious, eh? And pot.
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Female 2,674
"Not proof. stfu now, k-thx. "

So when you were going on about how the gun might have accidentally gone off rather than Zimmerman shooting it, we should have responded to you with: "Not proof. stfu now, k-thx"?
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Male 40,728
LATINO! @Ivran you forgot Latino! (j/k!)

Good night, sweet dreams! I might have an hour left...
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Male 3,482
[quote]HOW is it "outlandish" when I have FIRST HAND evidence that it`s not?[/quote]
And I have FIRST HAND experience that people with guns like to play "big man" and start sh*t that they wouldn`t otherwise.

A screwdriver has a thousand legitimate purposes besides breaking into things.

A handgun has two uses when it`s not being used for hunting (who the hell uses a HANDGUN to hunt? Just a random thought, but it came up when I was getting my hunting licenses...): scaring people off, and shooting them when they don`t run.

So you`ll assume a kid with a screwdriver was doing something wrong, but won`t begin to believe a man with a gun was instigating?
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Female 2,674
I seriously don`t understand your argument 5cats. Just because screwdrivers can be used for break-ins, doesn`t mean Trayvon was using them for that. That`s not even the purpose of screwdrivers. Matches are arson tools now? A board is a projectile weapon now? A sledge hammer is a murder weapon now? A cellphone is a weapon? A bag is a suffocation tool? Water is a drowning tool? Axes are cutting-peoples-heads-off tools now? Consistently calling the screwdriver, which has hundreds and hundreds of possible innocent uses, a "break-in tool" is extremely dishonest and an outlandish assumption on your part.
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Male 40,728
[quote]I`m not arguing that what Z did was right.[/quote]
See? I totally agree with @ivran. WE don`t have to "prove him right" the burden of proof is on the side of the accuser.

AND I`ve said from day 1 it may well be that Z IS guilty of something. I don`t want to HANG HIM from the nearest tree though, I want some evidence.
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Male 40,728
[quote]entirely likely scenario[/quote]
Not proof. stfu now, k-thx.
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Male 599
@jendrian
If you aren`t trolling, then you need to read this whole thread thingy. I`m not arguing that what Z did was right. I`m arguing that you guys convicting him before he`s even been on trial is wrong. That IS the world we live in (or are supposed to anyways). However, the media and the new black panthers(Sounds like some kind of skanky porn stars, if you ask me) want to ignore Florida law and have this guy arrested and convicted without standing trial.
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Male 40,728
[quote]You are making the outlandish assumption that Trayvon was going to use a screwdriver for breaking in.[/quote]
HOW is it "outlandish" when I have FIRST HAND evidence that it`s not?
Look up your history requirements: First hand trumps "second hand" in every case.

I don`t have to "prove" anything! All I say is: long slot screwdrivers CAN be used for break and enter. They HAVE been used on my house AND my car!

Can you "prove" he had a valid reason to have such a thing in his backpack? I don`t expect you too, it`s not required.
EVIDENCE! That`s what it is. Not "proof in and of itself" but compiled with other proof it`s gold.
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Male 1,008
"I see what`s going on here... 5Cats and ivran just can`t fathom that we live in a world where you can`t beat up people and then shoot them when they fight back. It`s just not a world they want to live in."

did martin have wounds other than the gunshot? did z strike m before he shot him? i didn`t see this in any of the reports i read , did i miss something?
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Female 2,674
"WHO was currently suspended from school for suspicion of drug posession. THANK YOU @Altaru for proving my point!"

Again, just because he may or may not have done drugs in the past, doesn`t mean that Zimmerman`s assumption that he was on drugs THAT NIGHT was correct.
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Male 3,482
[quote]M confronts Z. M becomes aware of gun

I grow weary of your GIGANTIC ASSUMPTION! Proof or stfu! No proof? All righty then! FUNQ![/quote]
I grow weary of your assumptions that M must have attacked Z for no reason.

It`s an entirely likely scenario that M may have become aware of the gun, and that may have led to the escalation of the situation.

If you want to discard likely scenarios because they don`t coincide with your worldview, stance on gun control, and the "unbiased" account of the ONE survivor, that`s your choice.

But I`m not making any more assumptions than you are. I`m putting forth plausible scenarios.
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Male 2,516
I see what`s going on here... 5Cats and ivran just can`t fathom that we live in a world where you can`t beat up people and then shoot them when they fight back. It`s just not a world they want to live in.
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Male 599
Sorry about that truancy post. It`s late. I confused that with larceny. Dohp.
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Male 40,728
[quote]I could do quite a bit besides breaking into something with a single screwdriver.[/quote]
OR you could break into houses and cars, like the kids do in MY neighborhood!

[quote]This also occurred in October the previous year[/quote]
Lets see: October...5 months later he`s caught with pot! Oh yeah! It`s like a lifetime ago!
Wait, how long ago was Z accused? THAT`S relevant, but this is not?

[quote]and follows someone he suspects may be on drugs...[/quote]
WHO was currently suspended from school for suspicion of drug posession. THANK YOU @Altaru for proving my point!

NEXT!
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Male 599
@Altaru Why do you keep beating this dead horse. We all know that that was the best thing for him to do. His not doing that doesn`t invalidate his self defense claims, though! Disobeying the dispatcher is not illegal!
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Female 2,674
"How is that in ANY way "hypocritical"? He makes an outlandish `assumption` on both Z and M`s reasons, then pretends it`s a "fact"? You`re OK with that? I`m not."
You are making the outlandish assumption that Trayvon was going to use a screwdriver for breaking in. It`s damn hypocritical to call out someone else for making an assumption when you`re doing the exact same thing yourself.
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Female 2,674
"I`ve already said that such things CAN be used as break-in tools. It`s not "rare" it`s commonplace."
It`s even more commonplace for screwdrivers to be used for non-illegal activities. The vast majority of people who use screwdrivers don`t use them for theft. You have no reason at all to assume Trayvon was using his for theft. Someone is carrying matches. Matches can be used to start huge fires. Thus they`re carrying around arson tools? No.

"Do YOU have 12 pieces of jewelery in YOUR backpack? That "a friend" gave to you? No? Ok then!"
That`s not proof of anything, though. I have more than 12 pieces of jewelry on my desk right now, contained in a small container that I could easily put in my purse if I felt like it. I don`t really have a reason to but it wouldn`t be theft if I decided to.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Zimmerman: Oh okay. Sorry son.[/quote]
Captain of the watch and suspects the person may be either on drugs or planning to break into "home."

Try again, smart-ass.

No, the best way this all could have been avoided?

Operator: "The police are on their way, sir, just stay put."
Z: "Alright ma`am. Can do. I`ll keep an eye on him just to be safe, though." [Z proceeds to stay in vehicle until police arrive, at best moving to street corners to observe M as he walks down them.]
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Male 40,728
Suspension #1: truancy
Suspension #2: grafitti
He was caught on camera "acting weird" (like Z said?) and hiding. Further investigation showed fresh grafitti here he was hiding.
Upon (legally) inspecting his backpack, a break-in tool and 12 pieces of womens jewelery, and other stuff, was found.
#3: a baggie with pot residue was found in his backpack, 10 days suspension.

Clear now?
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Male 3,482
[quote]#3: You`ve yet to offer a reason why a 17 year old has a SINGLE screwdriver in his backpack. A set? No worries! A break-in tool? Worries... [/quote]
Because a good flat head is all you really need for a lot of jobs? (Assuming it was a flat head.)

I could do quite a bit besides breaking into something with a single screwdriver.

And again, let`s point out that NO evidence indicated the jewelry was stolen, and obviously nothing indicated that M had actually broken into anything to obtain the jewelry. This also occurred in October the previous year, and from then until the empty marijuana baggy... Nothing.

On the other hand, we have someone who wants to be a cop, is captain of a neighborood watch, has a concealed carry license, disobeys a 911 dispatcher, and follows someone he suspects may be on drugs... All in the same night he actually killed said someone!
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Male 40,728
When I link it, you will apologise? Yes?

Unlike @Baalthy, who when I linked my proofs, he VANISHED! lolz! Whimp.

Whoops, cross-posting on the edit!

I`ve already said that such things CAN be used as break-in tools. It`s not "rare" it`s commonplace.
Do YOU have 12 pieces of jewelery in YOUR backpack? That "a friend" gave to you? No? Ok then!

How is that in ANY way "hypocritical"? He makes an outlandish `assumption` on both Z and M`s reasons, then pretends it`s a "fact"? You`re OK with that? I`m not.
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Male 599
@LillianDulci That was what he was suspended for most recently. I`m pretty sure the jewelry and screwie was a seperate incidents.
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Female 2,674
"Was he not suspended for having this screwdriver at school."

I`ve heard he was suspended for having a bag that had traces of marijuana in it, nothing to do with the screwdriver.
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Male 599
@LillianDulci Not really, there is a witness that debunks his assumption. 5Cats`s assumption is just a regular assumption.
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Female 2,674
"M confronts Z. M becomes aware of gun

I grow weary of your GIGANTIC ASSUMPTION! Proof or stfu! No proof? All righty then! FUNQ!"

This is rather hypocritical.
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@LillianDulci
Was he not suspended for having this screwdriver at school. High-schoolers don`t normally carry screwdrivers around with them. It seems pretty damn suspicious.
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Female 2,674
"BUT it turns out that, lo and behold! M has a history which includes drugs! And includes break-in tools! "
It`s not a drating break-in tool, it`s a SCREWDRIVER. You are only asserting it was used for breaking in ffs. You have no proof whatsoever that that`s what it was for. And "having a history of using drugs" does not mean that Zimmerman`s assumption that Trayvon was on drugs was correct and fine. If I do something 1 month ago and you accuse me of doing it today, just because it happened 1 month ago doesn`t mean it actually is happening today.
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Male 40,728
[quote]M confronts Z. M becomes aware of gun[/quote]
I grow weary of your GIGANTIC ASSUMPTION! Proof or stfu! No proof? All righty then! FUNQ!
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Male 10,338
Okay Altaru. Fine.

Zimmerman: Hey what are you doing here?!

Trayvon: Walking home! (doesn`t tell where home is)

Zimmerman: Oh okay. Sorry son.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Oh yeah, I`M telling lies... dream on @Altaru![/quote]
Then provide your links. Or, as they used to say in school: "Put up or shut up, bitch."

A two second google search for "Zimmerman Prior Arrest" can provide you with plenty of links stating Z shoved an officer.

I have yet to see ANYONE besides you say it was "passive resistance."
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Female 2,674
"#1: I gave you real-life, first person evidence, which you choose to ignore."
What evidence? That people have used screwdrivers for breaking in? Annnddd? That has nothing to do with Trayvon having a screwdriver because there`s no logical reason to deduce that it was used for breaking in.

"#2: I don`t care if the jewelery is "proven" to be stolen or not, it`s THERE."
So people aren`t allowed to carry around jewelry? That means it`s 100% stolen, no reason to try to figure out where it came from?

"#3: You`ve yet to offer a reason why a 17 year old has a SINGLE screwdriver in his backpack. A set? No worries! A break-in tool? Worries... "
I did offer a reason, he could have it to exchange batteries on a piece of technology. He could have it because he was going to his friend`s house after school and his friend needed a screwdriver to fix something. There`s hundreds of possible reasons that don`t have to do with illegal a
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Male 40,728
@LillianDulci: MUCH has been made by the pro-M side of Z`s remarks. It `proves` he is racist! It `proves` he was looking for trouble! It `proves` he was racially profiling!
BUT it turns out that, lo and behold! M has a history which includes drugs! And includes break-in tools!
I don`t have to "prove" it, any more than the pro-M side did! Actually, MY "evidence" (note the quotes?) would stand up in court, unlike the other side.
Do I say this "proves M was a criminal"? Nope!
Do I say it "proves he was on drugs"? Nope again!

BUT to suggest that either is "impossible! He was such a good boy!" is UNFOUNDED. He had a history. Deal.
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Male 599
@Altaru According to the witness, he wasn`t aware. Also, Z had a license to carry a concealed firearm, so it was probably concealed.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Trayvon: Hey man! Why are you following me?! I live right there! [/quote]
Oh, right, and let creepy stalker dude know where you live?
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@jendrian
That`s exactly what I read. The problem is that it is an invalid analogy to the Zimmerman case. Based on what we have right now: Z follows M, M beats the hell out of Z without stopping. Z calls for help, but can`t physically get out of the fight. Z shoots M. Your analogy is: Z beats the hell out of M. M tries to fight back. Z shoots M. See the problem?
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Male 3,482
[quote]Altaru: Confront does not = mount and beat to a bloody mess.[/quote]
Again, I`ve already put this down:

M confronts Z. M becomes aware of gun. M doesn`t want to turn his back on random stalker with gun.

Would you?

We`ll never know if M became aware of the gun, what with him being dead and all, but that seems as likely a scenario as M simply punching Z in the face and beating him to a pulp for no reason when he could have ran away as soon as Z was on the ground.
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Male 40,728
[quote]Twisting facts to be in your favor.[/quote]
#1: I gave you real-life, first person evidence, which you choose to ignore.
#2: I don`t care if the jewelery is "proven" to be stolen or not, it`s THERE.
#3: You`ve yet to offer a reason why a 17 year old has a SINGLE screwdriver in his backpack. A set? No worries! A break-in tool? Worries...

[quote]but there`s no point in lying about any of it.[/quote]
Oh yeah, I`M telling lies... dream on @Altaru!
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Female 2,674
"The pro-M side has made hay thus far on the "breakin & drugs" remarks made by Z. However, his remarks are... backed up by facts! Go figure! "

NO they are not. Trayvon has a screwdriver at SCHOOL, and there was no proof for it being used to break in. He did not have a screwdriver on him when Zimmerman accused him of being suspicious, he had skittles and a drink. Trayvon also wasn`t under the influence of drugs when Zimmerman accused him of being under the influence of drugs. Essentially what you`re saying is, someone could accuse me of trying to start a fire even when I don`t have any fire-starting equipment on me, and then say "oh look, a month ago she was holding a lighter! that means I was right!"
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Male 2,516
@ivran & 5Cats; wtf did you read?

K, here`s what I said, distilled for you:

I`m going to go beat the two of you up. << Me beating you two, because I suspect something of you.

When you fight back, because I`m beating you up, I`ll just shoot you. << Me, beating you up, notices that you, are fighting back and holy crap, winning. So I pull out my gun and cap your as*es.

Then I just walk free because hey, you were winning the fight. Hell, I have allergies, I must be weak.
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Male 599
@yusuksomuch I`m perfectly relaxed. You should form sentences correctly so people can understand what you are trying to communicate.

Jk, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Male 40,728
[quote]
1317 Posts Monday, March 26, 2012 8:26:44 PM
5Cats no, I`ll give you a bloody nose, a fat lip, and probably many more to come. Then when you try to lay a finger on me or take my gun, I`ll shoot you.

That is what you`re claiming is self defence. You`re a complete retard.[/quote]

In before he deletes it! Read for yourselves IAB, he just aquitted Zimmerman!

And @yusuksomuch? That`s funny stuff right there!
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Male 21
The thing is, because of all this media coverage (however biased against Zimmerman it is because racism sells papers) Zimmerman will never go to jail for this; he may not even go to court for it. There`s no way he can get a fair trial now because he`s already been deemed guilty by the court of public opinion. He`s been even more damned than Casey Anthony and there`s far less evidence against him than there was against her. It would take an eternity to find an impartial jury to try him and then it would still probably end in a mistrial. It`s a prosecutor`s nightmare.
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Male 10,338
If this had happened....

(Zimmerman follows Trayvon)
Trayvon: Hey man! Why are you following me?! I live right there!

Zimmerman: Oh alright. I`m sorry son.

There would be no discussion.
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Male 3,482
[quote]He "shoved an officer" Ooo! What a beast! Where`s YOUR link for that? His "charge" was passive resistance, lootitup lazybones![/quote]
I have looked it up, and I found where he shoved an officer, then entered a pre-trial program to avoid a conviction.

How`s this work: I`ll post my links, when you post yours?

After all, you`re the only thing I`ve seen so far claiming it was "passive" resistance. From what I`ve read, an alcohol officer was trying to arrest an underage friend of his, and he shoved the officer. That`s from a few quick google searches for "Zimmerman Prior Arrest."

It`s highly irrelevant in the matter, because it`s not exactly an indicator of violence either way, but there`s no point in lying about any of it.
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Female 2,674
"Oh yeah! 17 year olds often carry ONE screwdriver in their backpacks, along with 12 items of women`s jewelery, frer shur! "

This is 100% an assumption on your part and you have absolutely no evidence to back up that the jewelry is stolen or that he used a screwdriver to break in somewhere. I used screwdrivers on a weekly basis, a lot of technology requires screwdrivers (to change batteries, for example). There are hundreds of reasons he could have had the screwdriver with him, and it`s a baseless assumption on your part to say it was for breaking in. You slander the "MSM" all the time for doing the exact same thing that you`re doing. Twisting facts to be in your favor.
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Male 1,008
@irvan i was referring to the fact that some people can look at a screwdriver objectively but not at zimmerman but i guess you missed that in your, all worked up, emotional state. you should try to relax you will live longer
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Male 599
@jendrian Through your fallacious analogy.
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Male 40,728
[quote]Then when you try to lay a finger on me or take my gun, I`ll shoot you[/quote]
So... Zimmerman is right! Case closed.
(what a maroon!)

I`m serious, case closed, you just exonerated Zimmerman.
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Male 10,338
Altaru: Confront does not = mount and beat to a bloody mess.
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Male 2,516
@ivran, how did I ever dispute that?
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[quote]My god[/quote]
Leave Him out of this!~ pbbbt!

TYPINGIN ALLCAPS AND YOU CALL me RETARDED? SI RETARDED A DIRTY WORD IN YOUR VOCABULARY? THAT`S SHAMEFUL!

& etc.
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Male 599
@jendrian Martin is the one that gave Zimmerman the bloody nose, you fool.
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Male 2,516
5Cats no, I`ll give you a bloody nose, a fat lip, and probably many more to come. Then when you try to lay a finger on me or take my gun, I`ll shoot you.

That is what you`re claiming is self defence. You`re a complete retard.
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Male 40,728
[quote]its funny one would give a screwdriver the benefit of the doubt but not zimmerman[/quote]
BANG ON! @yusuksomuch! They excuse mountians on one side, but mole-hills on the other? NOPE!

@ivran: The pro-M side has made hay thus far on the "breakin & drugs" remarks made by Z. However, his remarks are... backed up by facts! Go figure!
So it is true he didn`t "know" he only reported what he observed! And THAT is consistant with the facts (as far as we know them).
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Male 3,482
[quote]I offered that because so many have claimed that "castle laws" are outrageous & evil. Plain and simply: they`re not.[/quote]
THERE IS A MASSIVE GODDAMN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SHOOTING SOMEONE WHO BREAKS INTO YOUR HOME AND SHOOTING SOMEONE WHOM YOU`VE BEEN FOLLOWING IN PUBLIC WHEN THEY DECIDE TO CONFRONT YOU ABOUT IT.

Or are you just THAT f*cking retarded that you can`t understand the basic differences in the case?

A "castle doctrine" protects your in your own home, and is a good thing.

A "Stand Your Ground" doctrine encourages people to pick fights in public, when they have chances to just walk away, because they "feel threatened," and ends in stupid sh*t like this.

My god, and you`re saying JENDRIAN is a troll?
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Male 1,008
more Treyvon mob action

the mob
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Male 40,728
I agree @ivran. Here in Canada we have the OPPOSITE of castle laws.
If I`d have caught that screwdriver armed burgaler in my house, and picked up a knife to scare him away?
I`D go to jail. It`s a fact.

(am still laughing over @LillianDulci`s innocence. Screwdriver! lolz!)
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Male 599
@yusuksomuch Zimmerman didn`t know anything about the screwdriver. The screwdriver wasn`t relevant at that point. If you`re going to post, read about the topic first.
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@Altaru
You`re right, but according to the evidence we have thus far, Z never resorted to anything else. He followed and observed the suspect. Also, once again, his disobeying the dispatcher doesn`t disprove his self defense claims in any way.
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Male 1,008
its funny one would give a screwdriver the benefit of the doubt but not zimmerman
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Male 40,728
Meanwhile: Trayvon Supporters Rally!

@LillianDulci: Oh yeah! 17 year olds often carry ONE screwdriver in their backpacks, along with 12 items of women`s jewelery, frer shur!

In MY neighborhood, long slot screwdrivers are useful in breaking into cars (an aborigional passtime around here, I looked at the car theft stats for Sanford FL and LAUGHED!) and BREAKING INTO MY HOME!!!
Plus drugs and vandalism (grafitti) you forgot those.

(hint: their annual car theft = our monthly car theft, 80% of car theives? Aborigional)
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Male 599
@5Cats I don`t understand people who dislike castle laws. Laws like the one Florida has are debatable, but I should be able to defend myself in my own home. If people are dumb enough to break into a home in a state that has castle doctrines, then that`s a personal problem.
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Male 3,482
[quote]And EVERY Martin supporter has castigated Zimmerman for thinking he was acting suspicious or "on drugs".
And WHAT is in Martin`s past? Hummmm? Riddle me THAT @Alatru, I`m done with troll-boy.[/quote]
In his past were twelve pieces of jewelry that were never confirmed stolen, a screwdriver that some cop took the liberty of describing as a "break-in tool," graffiti, and an empty baggy with traces of marijuana.

If anything, telling the cops that someone looks like they might be on drugs, then FOLLOWING said someone, is the dumbest thing I`ve heard in my entire life. Zimmerman was making nothing but bad decisions from the moment he decided to disobey the dispatcher and start following Martin.

A neighborhood watch captain is not a cop, and it`s not their job to confront suspects. It`s their job to call the police and passively observe the person until the police arrive. Anything more, and it`s vigilantism.
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Female 2,674
5Cats, why do you keep complaining about the "MSM" distorting facts and being biased, when you consistently refer to a SCREWDRIVER as a "break-in tool". You do realize there are many many many uses for screwdrivers, right?
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Male 40,728
*sigh* it seems I have to go back and record ALL the links in previous threads to "update" latecommers...

I offered that because so many have claimed that "castle laws" are outrageous & evil. Plain and simply: they`re not.

He "shoved an officer" Ooo! What a beast! Where`s YOUR link for that? His "charge" was passive resistance, lootitup lazybones!

As for "malicious intent"? What if Z is telling the truth? Is M`s actions NOT "malicious intent"?
YOU have pre-judged this case and nothing can change that. I understand.

I have repeatedly stated that Z MIGHT BE GUILTY!
However, that requires FACTS, not emotions, ok?
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OK @jendrian, I`ll just bash in my head abit, and bloody my nose, and give myself a fat lip.
THEN I`ll lay here on my back, ok?
Dumbass.

@Altaru: MY HOME was broken into with a screwdriver (and force on the door) last summer. I don`t think Trayvon did it, but still...

"Running around" did you look at the link which explains what Z was doing that night?

Oh no, it wasn`t "stolen" he was.... just hoilding it.... for someone....

And EVERY Martin supporter has castigated Zimmerman for thinking he was acting suspicious or "on drugs".
And WHAT is in Martin`s past? Hummmm? Riddle me THAT @Alatru, I`m done with troll-boy.
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Male 3,482
[quote]@Altaru
Florida has a law that allows self defense in public. That`s why Z has yet to be detained.[/quote]
I know this, but I was asking why 5Cats bothered posting such an irrelevant link about someone defending their home from a person with malicious intent.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Also: the `arrest` was for PASSIVE RESISTANCE. Look-it-up! And it was expunged. Do try to keep up with the facts, k?[/quote]
I`d like to see your source on this, because all sources I`ve found while "looking it up" indicate that Z shoved an officer while they were trying to arrest one of Z`s friends for underage drinking, and he got out of a conviction by going into a program for people with no prior arrests.
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@Altaru
Florida has a law that allows self defense in public. That`s why Z has yet to be detained.
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@5Cats
[quote]And does anyone recall This Story?[/quote]
I fail to see the relevance...

Someone breaks into your home with a weapon, plans to steal things and possibly harm you, you shoot them.

Cut and dry. They`re on your property, with malicious intent.

How does that equate, or even relate, to following someone at night, in a public place, with a gun and shooting them when things go poorly for you?

[quote]Also he was caught with 12 pieces of "women`s jewelery" he was "holding for a friend" AND a break-in tool. That`s right, he had a burglry tool in his backpack while at school. [/quote]
Even your own link states that there was no evidence to indicate the jewelry had been stolen.

And the "break-in tool" was a screwdriver. I carry around an entire lock-pick kit (because I`m bad about locking myself and my keys in separate places...), doesn`t mean I broke in and stole the face plate to my car`s stereo
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Male 2,516
5Cats, I`m gonna go beat you up, and if you fight back I`ll shoot you.

That`s what you`re claiming is self defence.
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Male 40,728
I don`t "look at the evidence" Moi?
HAHAHAHAAA! Oh that`s a funny one troll-boy. Your Mama`s callin you`d better go.
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Male 40,728
[quote]And I don`t see how there`s any way that can count as self defence.[/quote]
How about this:
IF (and only if) Z is telling the truth and M jumped him from behind? THAT is self-defence.
You "cannot" see that?

[quote]Trayvon died that day was because Zimmerman confronted him.[/quote]
And you offer what as evidence? Nothing? Ziltch? Because even the cops say THEY DON`T KNOW what happened in that one minute. Neither do I! Neither does M`s GF! Only Z knows and either he`s telling lies OR he`s telling the truth.
How has other evidence contributed to this?
Physical injuries: On Z not M.
Eyewitness: confirms much of Z`s account.
Forensic evidence: confirms Z`s account (so far)
Therefor: He MUST be a racist white guy. Oh wait, he`s not white...
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Male 2,516
In any case, whatever, once again I`m tired of arguing against you, it`s like talking to a bible thumper. No evidence in the world is going to convince you that your point of view is wrong.
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Male 2,516
5Cats, I carry my wife`s jewelry some times too. Carrying a screwdriver and jewelry doesn`t make you a thief. Pot? really? do you live in the same universe where everybody seems to have had some contact with pot at some point in their lives?

How am I distorting anyone`s past? What have I said that`s not in the only somewhat reliable piece of evidence in this case?

Look, the outrage is because of how fast he was let go, even though the police report itself points to a crime. That is the problem, not anything else. That`s why his parents went to the media, who of course blew it out of proportion.
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Oh, two more things:
Zimmerman thought he was looking in people`s yards & stuff.
Zimmerman thought he might be `on drugs`.

And in Martin`s past?
Break-in tools
Drugs

Obviously UNCONNECTED!
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Male 40,728
You`ve lowered yourself to "troll" staus @jendrian, sad really.

You carry break-in tools and 12 pieces of women`s jewelery in YOUR backpack? Are you "holding them for a friend" too? And the pot? And the vandalism? (grafitti)

But YOU distort Zimmerman`s past! YOU have no trouble with THAT!

[quote]The police, the only authority on this matter[/quote]
OH! The same police who say he did NOT commit a crime? The same police who looked at ALL the evidence and let him go?
THOSE police?
Troll-be-gone!
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Oh 5Cats, how about the fact that the cops themselves say, in the official police report (none of the "MSM" crap) that Zimmerman was giving chase to a "suspect". How about the 911 call where Zimmerman says he`s going to chase him.

How about the fact that the same media you keep condemning is the one you`re getting all your distorted factoids from.

And 5Cats, I have a screwdriver and jewelry on my backpack. Yeah, I`m not breaking anywhere, and the jewelry is mine. Neither of those factoids of yours has anything to do with anything.

Neither does the factoid that some link somewhere says he was going about on his business.

The police, the only authority on this matter, has evidence of Zimmerman provoking a situation and shooting someone.

How about not making sh*t up from now on huh?
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Male 40,728
Not only THAT @faustsshadow: They put Zimmerman in cuffs, they took him to the police station for questioning!
They failed?
To blood test Zimmerman, that`s bad.
To secure his bloody shirt as evidence. Also bad.

Neither of those things "makes Zimmerman guilty" in any way, but the cops made some mistakes and THAT is worth looking into.
Racism? I think not. Murder? it is to laugh, except this isn`t funny.
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Male 629
Is anyone on here a cop? Why does everyone think it was necessary to arrest him that night? Everyone is accusing the police of not doing their jobs - but they did that so damn fast no one had time to do their jobs.

Zimmerman wasn`t going anywhere. He didn`t flee, he spoke to the police. As it was, they didn`t feel they had enough to charge him.

I don`t know if he is `innocent,` `not guilty,` or `guilty.` Guess what? No one here does! Dear God - you people are all worse than Nancy Grace.
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Male 40,728
@Rawrg! @Rawrg! We lost the connection! What were you trying to type????
(lolz!)
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Male 40,728
[quote]Unlike Zimmerman however...[/quote]
Oh @jendrian? And exactly WHAT was Zimmerman doing that evening? Do you know? Has the MSM reported it? No?
The answer is in one of my links.
If true, Z is every bit as "innocently going about his business" as M.
But Z doesn`t have a history of carrying womens jewelery and break-in tools does he?
Also: the `arrest` was for PASSIVE RESISTANCE. Look-it-up! And it was expunged. Do try to keep up with the facts, k?
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Male 934
I have so much meh inside me for this story that I cannot be bothered to write anythi
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Male 2,516
@cody123100, maybe, just like all teenagers, Trayvon wasn`t a perfect person. Neither was Zimmerman. And neither Trayvon`s detention, Zimmerman`s trouble with the police, and with his neighbours, their heights or races are of any importance.

Unlike Zimmerman however, Trayvon was minding his own business until he was confronted, and that is why he`s dead. It`s not because he was a troublemaker, it`s not because he was an angel. It`s because Zimmerman made a giant mistake. And giant mistakes shouldn`t go unpunished.

I love how 5Cats portrays this as "we don`t know how the gun went off", completely ignoring the fact that in the police report he quotes so much Zimmerman admits to shooting Trayvon.

As many, many people have gotten tired of pointing out: the fact that Trayvon died that day was because Zimmerman confronted him. And I don`t see how there`s any way that can count as self defence.
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Male 2,229
Who?
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Male 40,728
@Scuzoid: No? *snaps fingers* Rats!

@cody123 It`s true! 3 suspensions for: truancy, grafitti and... marijuana!! Also he was caught with 12 pieces of "women`s jewelery" he was "holding for a friend" AND a break-in tool. That`s right, he had a burglry tool in his backpack while at school.
Miami Herald Link

I`ve submitted that for it`s own post, but will put it up here anyhow.

Also This was submitted
And does anyone recall This Story?
Male 21
The NYTimes just released an article with Zimmerman`s side of the story and also detailing the three confirmed times Martin had been suspended from school. Once for truancy, once for a plastic bag with traces of marijuana, and once for graffiti. During the graffiti incident a school employee found a screwdriver, jewelry, and a watch in Martin`s backpack. It`s becoming kind of hard for the media to portray him as a perfect little angel and kind of hard for me to take his side. I mean, you don`t get shot in the chest if you`re running away and I`m fairly sure an athlete who was known for his speed on the field could have outran an overweight asthmatic man. It just doesn`t add up. Maybe two people chose to stand their ground and only one walked away.
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Male 1,268
@Cats

A: Complete lack of boob emphasis.
B: Lack of crystal blue eyes on the human.
C: A cat.

A for effort though.
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Male 40,728
Lolz @BostonKaiser! I immediatly thought:

(Al Sharpton`s voice)
Now here`s a video of little Trayvon taking his very first baby steps...
(video of baby walking 2 steps, then falling down)
Now how can this boy possibly run away from a fat racist with asthema? It`s just impossible!
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Male 599
@BostonKaiser I`ve heard his mom is trademarking his name. We`re going to start seeing officially licensed Martin products soon. As much as the news media, the racist new black panthers or whatever they`re called, and celebrities spout off about how much of a tragedy this is, they sure have no problem with taking advantage of the situation for monetary(or political) gain. When life gives you Trayvon Martins, eh?
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Male 650
Free Zimmerman! He is like a vigilante but with asthma.
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Male 599
Also, @auburnjunky. I don`t really know much about this "Stand your ground" law, but we have the castle doctrine where I live. Is the stand your ground law different in that it applies off of your property as well or are there other differences?
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Male 1,218
It`s nice to see pics of Martin at his real age. I keep expecting them to start showing baby pics on TV.
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Male 599
I don`t understand why people are still complaining about this. The law is what the law is. If you don`t like it, try to do something to get it changed, but it`s not going to have any effect on this case.
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Male 40,728
@aj it`s `liberal thinking` AKA: how to ignore facts in order to follow the herd.
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Male 10,338
What the drat is that supposed to mean.
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Male 429
one person is dead from a gunshot wound, and one other person had a gun. end of story.
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Male 10,338
I didn`t finish. It doesn`t apply to Zimmerman in the case of physicality, because if Zimmerman strikes him for any reason, he is committing the crime of striking a minor child.

It sucks, but if a 17 year old comes at you (bro) and begins striking you, you can`t hit him back.

Virtually the only thing Zimmerman could have done in this case, was run. He was obviously unable to do this, and since he was being attacked, the only other thing he could do is lethally defend himself.
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Male 10,338
"If you listen to all of the 911 calls, you can hear Trayvon screaming for help for a while"

That was Zimmerman. He was the one who cried for help.

Also, now that I have been thinking about it, the stand your ground law does not apply to Trayvon OR Zimmerman in this case.

He is a minor child. He has no right to defend himself because he is under age. His only legal course of action was to run home. He is a college football, wide receiver, within sight of home. He would have made it, even if Zimmerman was in a full sprint, with his being overweight, and having asthma.

Just an oversight we are all guilty of. Minors have different rights than adults.
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Male 40,728
@GParadox: you`ve skipped a few steps, just pointing that out, eh?
Walking home
Zimmerman follows
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Martin is dead.

It`s those other steps that make or break Zimmerman being innocent. Until the actual facts are known, it`s just us speculating...
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Jendrian- I completely agree. I don`t know what there is to argue about. The fact is- for sure- that Martin was walking home innocent. He had done nothing wrong until Zimmerman pursued him. There was no need for Zimmerman too, and because of what Z chose to do, the result was a dead teen.
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Male 40,728
Oh my: Another Funny Picture that is too big to post.

I am SO going to heck for loling at that...
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Male 40,728
@TheShgn2: A wtiness, you know, someone who actually was there? SAW Zimmerman yelling, not Martin: Link here

We don`t know:
#1 who approached who
#2 who initiated `physical contact`
#3 exactly how the gun went off

It`s most likely Z, M, Z BUT we don`t know %100 yet.
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Male 40,728
So.... if I change my avatar to this:



@Scuzoid will agree with me? Kool!

"Journalism" in America and Canada has swung so far left they`re crossing over to the right - in that bad way.
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Male 626
If you listen to all of the 911 calls, you can hear Trayvon screaming for help for a while, and then you hear the shot. I`d say he was probably not winning the fight, and what would you do if you were walking home and some guy was running after you?
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5Cats

Spot on about Sharpton and the media, lol.

The more sensational they can make this, the more money they stand to make from ratings hikes.

It`s a little sad, though, that American "journalism" has become what it is...
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Male 2,516
can`t argue with 5Cats on that picture. That`s exactly what`s going on
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Male 40,728
Funny Picture! it`s oversized though, click-y!
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Male 663
>>>I`m only defending M because whatever side OldOllie is on, I`m taking the opposite. I never want to agree with that senile old bigot.<<<

I like your honesty.
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Male 2,516
This is just retarded, and it has been retarded since the first video. I can`t believe anyone takes the side of Zimmerman.

Whether it was racial or not, whether he was fighting back or not, he happened to kill an innocent person from a conflict he created. The man is guilty at least of that much, I can`t believe some people are trying to exonerate him of any responsibility he has over the death of somebody else (let alone his age), when the entire situation was his fault.

The only thing to decide there is how bad the crime was, not if there was a crime at all, and I certainly don`t agree with it being a racial crime.

But he did commit a crime.
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Male 1,268
"And of course Leesah`s looks have to come into it. If her worldview is wrong, it`s wrong. If you disagree with her, then don`t empower her by slobbering all over her."

Where`s the fun in that?

Anyway, I don`t really understand a lot of the "relative" fault people are putting on this CHILD. He`s 17, yeah, he`s going to do stupid s*it. I mean, honestly? Were NONE of you guys thick skulled, overly aggressive, supermen when you were kids?

CCW`s really should include a lot more than what they do. Situational awareness and proper threat assessment seems to be unnecessary chores for a lot of guys who carry.
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Male 3,482
[quote]So we mostly agree....[/quote]
I suppose so.

Honestly, I think the whole situation is stupid. I`m only getting involved because I don`t like the laws involved here. I could care less about the two individuals, they`re just the sparks that ignited the fire.

The wrong fire, since race has become a bigger issue than the legal problem, but still... I`m hoping that maybe when the race fire dies down we`ll see the real issue at hand.

I`m only defending M because whatever side OldOllie is on, I`m taking the opposite. I never want to agree with that senile old bigot.
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Male 663
>>>All because of some stupid Stand Your Ground law that gave them the right to fight because they "felt threatened."<<<

So we mostly agree....
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Male 3,445
And of course Leesah`s looks have to come into it. If her worldview is wrong, it`s wrong. If you disagree with her, then don`t empower her by slobbering all over her.
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Male 3,482
Martin should never have gotten involved in the conflict, he should have just walked home.

Zimmerman should never have given pursuit, and when he did, he should have maintained SAFE DISTANCE, out of sight and without confronting his "suspect."

When they did contact, they should have calmly talked it out.

Instead, a misunderstanding has left a teenager dead and a man vilified by the public.

All because of some stupid Stand Your Ground law that gave them the right to fight because they "felt threatened."
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Male 5,811
[quote]msnbc is reporting trayvons mother is trying to trademark his name what is her motivation for that i wonder?[/quote]
Because it`s capitalism, the American way?

In any case it`s stupid if it`s true.
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Male 3,482
(IAB character limit... Why not tell it like it is, guys? It`s really only a little over 900.)

... after taking the life of a teenager who was doing nothing wrong.

I don`t care about the race issues, the fact that everyone`s on Martin`s side, any of that sh*t.

I`m against stupid laws and stupid people that support them. And the whole idea of "Standing Your Ground" in public, when you have plenty of opportunity to walk away, is stupid.

Self-defense has it`s place, and it`s value.

But not in this case.
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[quote]"Nice new Avi BTW."

HAHA. Agreed. I don`t care how ridiculous her statements are, her eyes and boobs make me okay with them.[/quote]
*Rolls eyes*
[quote]cant wait for this to be over...[/quote]
Agreed for the above quote and for your intention of the comment.

@Altaru: I`m in complete agreement. Some guy pursues me in an aggressive fashion (if you`re saying f*cking coon while you`re moving it tells me you aren`t wanting to lend aid or have a friendly chat) and says "what are you doing here?" or somesuch, I would feel threatened and that constitutes initiating a conflict. I fight to defend myself, and because he`s losing a fight he shoots me.
[quote]Would the shooting have happened if he had not followed? no. But it did not happen BECAUSE he followed.[/quote]
I`m sorry, I forgot the part where neighbourhood watch were legalized deputies with powers to enforce the law. Oh, wait, they`re supposed to LET THE POLICE HANDLE IT.
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Male 1,008
msnbc is reporting trayvons mother is trying to trademark his name what is her motivation for that i wonder?



trademarking trayvon
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Male 3,482
[quote]And this is the issue with "stand your ground" provisions. Sometime BOTH are withing their rights given the situation as they see it from their perspective. [/quote]
EXACTLY.

It is completely irresponsible to tell people to fight back because they feel "threatened" in situations when they could easily walk away.

And (from my point of view) it`s straight-up WRONG to consider someone as having the "right" to take the life of another based on a misunderstanding that arises because of a stupid law that gives them to right to fight.

So Z feels remorse, and he cried for days...

Well, if tears and apologies could solve the problems of the world, then there wouldn`t be wars, now would there?

I`m not even against Zimmerman. I`m sure he didn`t plan to kill someone that night. But he did, and I`m against the fact that a stupid law might let him get away clean after taking the life of a teenage who was doing noth
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Male 663
>>>You try to get away. If he prevents you, you fight him. What kind of idiot would sit there, let some stalker subdue them, and wait to see what was in store for them?<<<

And this is the issue with "stand your ground" provisions. Sometime BOTH are withing their rights given the situation as they see it from their perspective.

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Male 3,908
@Fatninja01 - I second that...
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Male 663
>>>Are you aggressively pursuing the person under the assumption that they`re doing something wrong?

Do you continue to give chase even after the person tries to run away?

Are you asking if they need help, or are you yelling "What are you doing here?" at them, while giving chase?

The situations are totally different.<<<

I see now you have added "facts."

"aggressively pursuing" Was he? how do you know. So following is ok but "aggressively pursuing" is not?

"continue to give chase" So aggressively pursuing is ok for a while as long as you don`t "copntinue to give chase"

Need I continue. No the situations are NOT the same. The point is I do not give up my rights I either have them or I do not.
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Male 663
>>>Now, let me reverse the roles.

You`re walking down the street late at night after a quick snack trip.

Someone starts following you.

You speed up a little because you feel uncomfortable.

They speed up as well.

You ask them why they`re following you. They respond with "Why are you here?" (Again, I`ve already said that there are times when "why are you here" means "hope I don`t catch you," based on the way the person says it and what they`re doing at the time.)
<<<<

Lets see I have a cell phone. A call to the people I am staying with. A call to the police. I am unclear what you mean by cornered. Did I walk down a dead end ally? The door to the house were he was staying is reported to be visible from the scene of the shooting. Why did he not just walk to the door and go inside. The point is I do not know what happened NOR DO YOU. Your whole point seems to be Zimmerm
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Male 25,416
cant wait for this to be over...
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Male 1,268
"Nice new Avi BTW."

HAHA. Agreed. I don`t care how ridiculous her statements are, her eyes and boobs make me okay with them.

Anyway, I don`t really care about this story, however, I got into a lot of fights in high school. A couple of things I can say for certain from that time:
Guns didn`t scare me. I was certain I was bulletproof, and the one time one was pulled on me, I didn`t flinch. No one got shot either, but that didn`t stop the fight.
I didn`t frak with the police. Not because of who they were, but because of who my mother was. Getting into some random fight with some other "tough guys" didn`t matter much because they didn`t know my name or where I lived. Police would, and I really didn`t want my mother to know about what happened.

If zimmerman was so weak/scared of "black teen male" where the only option he had was to kill "black teen male" he shouldn`t have approached "black teen male."
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Male 2,216
Tale of the tape forgot to mention Zimmerman had a gun.
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Male 3,894
So it`s late at night, this dude is following you aggressively, and carrying a gun (which may or may not be drawn already. Perhaps it is out of sight).

You`re on the phone with your girlfriend, telling her about this. Telling her you`re trying to shake this creep.

You think you`ve lost him, until he corners you somewhere. What do you do?

You try to get away. If he prevents you, you fight him. What kind of idiot would sit there, let some stalker subdue them, and wait to see what was in store for them?
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Male 3,482
Now, let me reverse the roles.

You`re walking down the street late at night after a quick snack trip.

Someone starts following you.

You speed up a little because you feel uncomfortable.

They speed up as well.

You ask them why they`re following you. They respond with "Why are you here?" (Again, I`ve already said that there are times when "why are you here" means "hope I don`t catch you," based on the way the person says it and what they`re doing at the time.)


Still think you can compare the situations?
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Male 3,482
Agreed with Auburn, Leesah. Always thought you had amazing eyes.

[quote]By your argument if I ask the next person that I see wondering around inside my building if they need help, I have given up my right to defend myself if they attack because I "created" a tense situation.[/quote]
Are you aggressively pursuing the person under the assumption that they`re doing something wrong?

Do you continue to give chase even after the person tries to run away?

Are you asking if they need help, or are you yelling "What are you doing here?" at them, while giving chase?

The situations are totally different.
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Male 3,445
leesah: I in no way embraced the way the media has tried to paint this as a racial issue. But once again, if you`re asserting that there`s an epidemic of black on white, racially motivated crime, I don`t think that`s a proper way to respond to your disagreement with the media`s portrayal of this issue. Besides, black people still face a lot of discrimination and stereotyping in the media in lots of areas.

Anyway, we`re all members of a single human race. Any perceivable differences between us are cultural, ethnic, and societal.
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Male 3,482
[quote]@altaru- provide a link to show why he was suspended. Late to school does not equal a 10 day suspension.[/quote]
That was what I had initially read, and believe me it`s not entirely impossible (I would know), but now it`s come to light he had traces of marijuana in his backpack.
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Male 663
>>>You`re told not to pursue, the police are on their way.

You pursue anyway, creating a tense situation for the person you`re pursuing.

The person Stands Their Ground, believing you a threat to their own safety because you`re following them for no reason.

It leads to an altercation, and you end up killing the person.

Last I knew, creating a situation that provokes a response means you lose the right to claim self-defense. And I`m pretty sure stalking someone late at night counts as "creating a situation."<<<<

Ok I get were you are coming from. I completely disagree but I see your point.

By your argument if I ask the next person that I see wondering around inside my building if they need help, I have given up my right to defend myself if they attack because I "created" a tense situation. AT some point one of the them made a choice that DIRECTLY caused the gunfire, but to me that choic
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Male 10,338
5cats: I doubt it will go to criminal trial.

The Martin family may sue him in a civil suit. They will win, because the media wills it so.
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Male 40,728
@aj but even her claims don`t do much to support Trayvon, eh?
If your own GF isn`t supporting your cause (she`s trying to!) it`s looking bleak.

I fully expect the Grand Jury to uphold Zimmerman`s actions. The only thing that might change that is the coroner`s report, which is a bit of a wildcard here.
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Male 10,338
Nice new Avi BTW.
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Male 10,338
Funny you should say that Leesah.

My wife is in college, and she just recently finished a course on ethnic studies.

She was taught that white people can never be a minority, even if they live in a city where there are 100,000 blacks and 1 white. She was also taught that racism against whites is not the same as racism against blacks.

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT HOGWASH?!
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Female 1,566
"So I have a problem when people try to assert that white people have to suffer from racism, because it`s not the same for us."

You`re right, most of the whites in this country have stopped murdering people over their race, but the blacks are bringing color based attacks back full swing! But those blacks sure have had an uphill battle, so we should totally support the media`s refusal to report black on white crime and allow blacks to ever remain the ne`er-do-wrong, helpless victims in the public eye. I mean honestly, racism against a white person, that just doesn`t happen!
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Male 3,482
[quote]This makes no sense to me.[/quote]
You`re told not to pursue, the police are on their way.

You pursue anyway, creating a tense situation for the person you`re pursuing.

The person Stands Their Ground, believing you a threat to their own safety because you`re following them for no reason.

It leads to an altercation, and you end up killing the person.

Last I knew, creating a situation that provokes a response means you lose the right to claim self-defense. And I`m pretty sure stalking someone late at night counts as "creating a situation."
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Male 10,338
"according to M`s girlfriend."

She`s not biased at all HAHAHAHA!
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Male 3,482
[quote]So if I see witness a mugging, follow the mugger from a safe distance, and report to the police were I saw him go I am a vigilanti?[/quote]
That`s the thing: He didn`t witness a crime, he was stalking an innocent teen.

He also ran after the teen, according to M`s girlfriend. If your version of "following at a safe distance" is chasing them at top speed where they can plainly see you, then you need to re-read the dictionary definition of "safe."
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Male 663
>>>>Once you take the law into your hands in public, it`s called "vigilantism,"<<<<

I agree. but on the other hand up to the point were he was attacked or made the choice to shoot just because the kid was in the neighborhood, how did he "take the law in his own hands"? Just because he followed someone? So if I see witness a mugging, follow the mugger from a safe distance, and report to the police were I saw him go I am a vigilanti?
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[quote]" There is no evidence to support any of Zimmerman`s claims" [/quote]
Besides an eye witness who saw Trayvon on top, pounding on Zimmerman.

That said, Zimmerman probably is a racist pig. But that does not make him a murderer or indicate any wrongdoing. Unless there is someone who saw him shoot the kid execution style there is no evidence of guilt. Time to send the lynch mob home.
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Male 663
>>>>No, but once you disobey said commands to pursue someone, you should lose all rights to claim self-defense. <<<

This makes no sense to me. The operator tells me do not do x you do x and lose your rights. Please what else can I do that causes me to lose my rights?
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Male 663
>>>>Yes. When Z first told the operator what was going on, the operator told him to stay where he was, the police would be there shortly. >>>>

Altaru thanks for the clarification. I do not think it is the same thing as the 911 operator did not yet have all the info at that point in the call. Also, it is not a legal requirement to follow those commands, at least not as I understand the law.

Would the shooting have happened if he had not followed? no. But it did not happen BECAUSE he followed.

It happened either because Zimmerman was attacked and felt threatened or because he was a racist idiot looking to shoot some kid. I do not not which is true any more than anyone else on this forum does.
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Male 15,832
Okay, it took 15 minutes of searching, but it turns out his father`s GIRLFRIEND, not his father, lived there.However, if he was going from the store back to her condo, Zimmerman would never have been able to catch up with him. Martin obviously stopped, turned around, and attacked. It could not possibly have happened any other way.
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Male 40,728
I`ll tell you what`s a hate crime: Calling a Latino "White" constantly!
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Male 3,445
Leesah: You and I probably agree that defining something as a "hate crime" is a bit of a slippery legal slope. It`s difficult to define what a hate crime is, especially when the law is supposed to be concerned with strictly factual issues.

However, the fact does remain that black Americans have always faced more of an uphill battle. If they don`t face overt racism, they certainly have to deal with subconscious racial profiling every single day. So I have a problem when people try to assert that white people have to suffer from racism, because it`s not the same for us (I`m white).

To sum this comment up: Hate crime laws are probably a bad idea; racism is still a major issue that black people have to face in this country.
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Male 3,482
[quote]YOU DON`T LEGALLY HAVE TO FOLLOW "COMMANDS" FROM A 911 OPERATOR!!!! [/quote]
No, but once you disobey said commands to pursue someone, you should lose all rights to claim self-defense.

Once you take the law into your hands in public, it`s called "vigilantism," and it was supposed to die off with lynch mobs and Wild West justice.
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Male 514
@altaru- provide a link to show why he was suspended. Late to school does not equal a 10 day suspension.
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Male 1,510
YOU DON`T LEGALLY HAVE TO FOLLOW "COMMANDS" FROM A 911 OPERATOR!!!!

AGAIN,

YOU DON`T LEGALLY HAVE TO FOLLOW "COMMANDS" FROM A 911 OPERATOR!!!!

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Male 1,510
I`m trying really hard not to be racist, but the liberal media and ignorant black leaders are making that really hard...
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Male 3,482
[quote]But did he really receive a direct order NOT to follow?[/quote]
Yes. When Z first told the operator what was going on, the operator told him to stay where he was, the police would be there shortly.

No matter WHAT happened that lead to the shooting, this whole situation was initiated by some gung-ho watch captain disobeying the dispatched and taking the law into his own hands.

But apparently Wild West vigilantism is still alive and fully supported by the law.
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Male 10,338
Old Ollie, we`ve been telling you for 2 days that he was there visiting his father, who lived there lol.

Let the "What was he doing there" go man.

Now, that being said, there were 50 break-ins in that community last year, so I can see Zimmerman`s concern. He`s the watch captain. It was his responsibility to monitor goings on in the neighborhood. Whether or not he took it too far? We honestly don`t know.

All we do know, is when the EYE WITNESS who gave an ACCOUNT to the police the NIGHT OF THE SHOOTING, he stated that Zimmerman was crying out for help, and Martin was on top of him, beating him in the face. Zimmerman ended up with a broken nose, and a bloodied, busted head.

I`m sorry, but if someone did that to me, and I had a gun, they`d be shot ASAP.
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Male 663
>>>>Zimmerman was told to stand down by the 911 dispatcher and ignored the direction.<<<

I do not recall this. I do recall the operator says "we do not need you to do that.." or similar in response to Zimmerman affirming that he was following. But did he really receive a direct order NOT to follow?
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Male 3,482
[quote]By all means, please share them with us. What legitimate reason did Martin have for being inside a gated community? [/quote]
Alzheimer`s acting up again, Ollie?

We`ve been down this road at least twice now, you retard. He was staying with family that lived in the community. Now shut the fu­ck up you bigot.
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Male 15,832
Here`s incontrovertible proof that liberals are the real racists. Without doing a search, how many of you can answer this question:

"Who is John Sanderson?"
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Female 1,566
Although, the story DOES become a racial issue when the media INSISTS on describing Zimmerman, the Hispanic who was adopted into a white family, as a "White Hispanic". Because if someone has killed a black person, you bet your ass he was a white guy, right?
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Female 2,674
"What legitimate reason did Martin have for being inside a gated community? "

Omfg OldOllie how many times are you going to say this and completely ignore the people responding to you? It`s been a FACT from day 1 of the story, if you even bothered to learn anything at all about the case besides what Zimmerman has said, you would know this. Trayvon was staying IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IN HIS DAD`S HOUSE. So kids aren`t allowed to stay with their fathers now?!? The back door to HIS DAD`S HOUSE was visible from where he was killed.
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Male 559
"So, now we have new facts in the case? By all means, please share them with us. What legitimate reason did Martin have for being inside a gated community?

You just made a statement of fact, evanbartlett; now put up or shut up."

Um...because I watch the news. His parents lived there. Shut what, again?
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Male 15,832
[quote]Zimmerman falsely presumed that this kid didn`t belong in the neighborhood...[/quote]
So, now we have new facts in the case? By all means, please share them with us. What legitimate reason did Martin have for being inside a gated community?

You just made a statement of fact, evanbartlett; now put up or shut up.
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Female 1,566
"People on the right and the left are buying into the media`s false depiction of this story as a racial issue."

This story is not a racial issue. The racial issue is the mainstream media`s refusal to report on the rising number of black-on-white hate crimes while desperately clinging to stories like this and proclaiming THE BLACKS ARE UNDER ATTACK IN THIS COUNTRY when it is quite obviously the inverse. Obama has called for soul searching over Trayvon, he compared him to his own daughters. If he had a son "he`d look like Trayvon". Should we soul search over the reason three black males murdered white John Sanderson last night? Nah. Obama wont even allude to this incident, while he`s using Trayvon`s murder as an election platform to recapture the black vote and the media is well trained to be on his side.
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Male 15,832
hovalady, please don`t try to confuse the racist liberals with facts. They`re all suffering from Concrete Brain Syndrome: all mixed up and permanently set.
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Male 559
Doing a little psychographic work up on these guys, it would seem that both were hot-headed. Zimmerman falsely presumed that this kid didn`t belong in the neighborhood and wanted him to leave. He followed him, telling him to get out the neighborhood, which upset Martin. One or the other finally flashed and Martin pushed the guy to the ground. Then Zimmerman fired. If Zimmerman had done what the cops told him to do,(don`t follow him) this never would have been a problem. But he let his alpha personality (license to conceal and carry, and CAPTAIN of the neighborhood watch, no less) take over. I`m sure, as is almost always the case, both could have taken steps to avert the issue. But at the end of the day, Zimmerman initiated, and Zimmerman fired.
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Male 3,445
5cats: I`m not saying Zimmerman is guilty either, even though I get the feeling he could have easily avoided shooting Trayvon Martin. It saddens me that this argument is being split on political lines.
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Male 3,445
Regarding the height, age, weight issue: I`m 6`3" and I weighed 165-170lbs in my senior year of high school. That`s a beanpole, even for a high school kid (I`m 28 now and I weigh 185). Trayvon was obviously around the same build.
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Male 40,728
Thnaks @LillianDulci: I`m not on FaceBook though, I notice two links (on the lower right) featuring pictures used for THIS Trayvor Martin, hs someone checked out those pages?

My point is: The MSM is using old pictures to manipulate public opinion rather than to report the news.

@FoolsPrussia: You make two valid arguements, I`ll not disagree. Neither one makes Zimmerman `guilty` though, even if both are true!
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Male 10,338
@drgnfire: An overweight man with Asthma is no match for a 6`3" 160lb athlete. That is the size of most elite college wide receivers.
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Male 10,338
"There is no evidence to support any of Zimmerman`s claims aside from a few minor non life threatening injuries."

That, and an eye witness account that was given at the scene that proves Martin was attacking Zimmerman.

"The possible need to rewrite self-defense (Stand Your Ground) laws."

Screw that! We have castle doctrine (stand your ground) here in Alabama, and I will be the first to tell you, that if anyone, regardless of skin color attacks me for any reason and I`m packing?

Well, let`s just say the fight won`t last long.
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Male 531
From the information in bold letters it sounds like whoever made the pic is profiling. Not sure how a height and age difference mean anything. As someone already said Zimmerman is only 28 not 60 and frail.
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Male 3,445
Leesah: That`s a false equivalency. People on the right and the left are buying into the media`s false depiction of this story as a racial issue. The real issue is the twofold: 1) High probability of police incompetency, and 2) The possible need to rewrite self-defense (Stand Your Ground) laws.
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Female 2,674
5cats this is the Trayvon Martin from that picture.
It`s some kid who`s in middle school (thus not 17), who goes to Myers middle school which is not in Florida.

"The other two are him then?"
I don`t know, I can only assume so right now.

"Proves my point. "
What point? He looks like a nice kid in both the pictures.
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Female 1,566
Last night at ten PM, three black males shot and murdered a 21 year old white boy in a dorm at Miss. State. Will Obama comment on what a horrible tragedy this is? Will the mainstream media even mention it? Nah. Poor dead John Sanderson will be swept, like the others, under the carpet. I wonder if the three black males who hatefully murdered this boy in cold blood were wearing hoodies.
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Male 40,728
Actually, @LillianDulci and @Altaru: No one`s linked any proof of it being the wrong Trayvon. I don`t doubt that, I just think some evidence might be in order...
The other two are him then? Proves my point.

Suspended for being late? lolz! Link please @Altaru!

@Kitteh9: He damaged the front AND the back of his head by slipping? And Trayvon on top of him BEATING him caused no damage? Um, not likely.

[quote]There is no evidence to support any of Zimmerman`s claims[/quote]
@ExtraCredit: You have evidence to DISPUTE them? No? Thought not.
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Oooh, ic, aside from the evidence, there is NO evidence. Riiight...
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Male 68
I can see now that not giving a poo about this issue was a good choice.
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Female 8,043
As far as Zimmerman`s injuries, has it occurred to anyone else that he could`ve slipped and fallen in the wet grass (wet from the rain) while chasing Martin and injured himself?
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Male 49
Yes, there is already spin--spin by people like you who post crap like this. An 11 year "youth advantage?" Zimmerman was 28, not 45. Zimmerman was a grown man who was fully developed while Martin had very little muscle to speak of. At 6`3", weighing between 140 and 160 is TINY. That isn`t athletic or fit; that is bone-skinny. That is proportional to bikini models. Zimmerman is built like a fullback while Martin is built like a female volleyball player.

As for the suspension, it was apparently for weed. Martin does not have a juvenile record and has no history of aggression. By bringing the suspension up without context you are fearmongering

Let`s start here: 1) Martin was doing nothing wrong when he was walking down the street and there is no suggestion that he was. 2) Zimmerman was told to stand down by the 911 dispatcher and ignored the direction. Zimmerman continued to follow a 100% innocent person, who he outweighed by roughly 100 lbs, while he (Zi
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Male 453
It`s easy for Zimmerman to now state that Trayvon initiated physical contact. Conveniently for Zimmerman there is no one that can refute his obvious fabrications.

There is evidence Zimmerman was obsessed and stalked Trayvon. There is no evidence to support any of Zimmerman`s claims aside from a few minor non life threatening injuries.

I see the post mentions Trayvon`s suspension from school, but excludes mention of Zimmerman`s assault on a police officer. IAB....as fair and balanced as Fox News.
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Male 3,482
[quote]This is not gonna end well for the racist, Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson crowd.[/quote]
Actually, if anything, it`s going to HELP that crowd because the other side apparently can`t get it out of their head that all blacks look alike, since they keep using a picture of the wrong Trayvon Martin.
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Male 3,482
Still using that picture of the WRONG TRAYVON MARTIN.

This image loses all credibility when it blatantly lies right off the bat.

Trayvon was on a suspension because he had been late to class too many times. I must be one HELL of a violent delinquent: I skipped a few classes here and there.

Oh my, I`m going to go attack some innocent person on the street while carrying a bag of skittles and a can of tea for my little brother just because he happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time!

I`m overweight, and I`ve taken down people taller, skinnier, and "healthier" than me. I can also sprint faster than most would expect. Size doesn`t matter, especially when the smaller man has the added bravery boost of a gun on his side. It`s worse than alcohol.
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Male 4,224
we all know Trayvon is guilty. look at him; he is black. minorities are always up to some thing.
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Female 2,674
"Hey look! Pictures of Trayvon older than age 14!! Somehow the MSM couldn`t find those?"

I think he looks like a nice kid even in the 2 that are actually him (as far as I know anyway, since we`ve already determined one of them isn`t him). So no idea why the media isn`t using either of those pics if they really are more recent.
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Male 10,338
This is not gonna end well for the racist, Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson crowd.
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Male 3,445
Using bias from one side of an issue to counter bias from the opposite side does not provide balance.
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Male 40,728
Now IAB is just trying to stir up the poo!

@tacks: You`re suggesting there was NO neighborhood watch? Or that he was the only member? You got a linky? I know it "wasn`t registered" but that doesn`t mean it didn`t exist.

Hey look! Pictures of Trayvon older than age 14!! Somehow the MSM couldn`t find those?
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Female 2,674
Person makes post about "spin", posts fake picture of Trayvon and lies/assumptions about both people.
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Female 155
Zimmerman shouldn`t have pursued him. And he wasn`t actually part of a neighbourhood watch, he assigned himself to that position. So the fault is still Zimmerman`s.
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Female 1,262
Link: The Tale Of The Tape: Zimmerman & Martin [Rate Link] - Something says this will be a court case with enough controversy to equal 100 Rodney King trials. There`s already spin.
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