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    orange_panty Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 6:35 am
    Link: The Simple Definition Of Freedom - Easy to understand for all kooks!
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 6:40 am
    nice
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    NOCASH Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 6:42 am
    It`s not that simple but it should be.
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    faustsshadow Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 6:47 am
    Easy to understand, but based on faulty logic. Whether you agree or not, it is glossing over the main point of the debate - which is not a definition of marriage, but rather a definition first of freedom and rights. No one has the `right` to legally marry. (Or they do, depending on your definition.)
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 6:49 am
    Sadly,republicans and Muslims are scratching their heads at this one.
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    venners77 Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 6:56 am
    Having any religion involves following a set of rules. This is not what it is to be free. I`m not sure I`d say everyone around me toting weapons would make me feel particularly free either.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 7:12 am
    @faustsshadow

    It is not even about the `right to marry`, or the definition of marraiage.

    It is about equal treatment under the law. Arguing certain persons should not be treated equally because to do so would offend others religious beliefs is wrong. If the gov`t stopped recognizing marriage this would not be a problem. I have offered that as a solution to some religious objectors and they did not like that solution either.
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    7thentity Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 7:13 am
    for the democrats: You are free to have a government, you are not free to use your government to take away the freedom of others.
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    maddux32 Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 7:16 am
    @venners77

    People are free to follow religion, people are free to follow religious rules. Therefore, that is exactly what it is to be free.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 7:20 am
    When the majority of our country is Christian (over 70%), it`s an unfortunate truth that they will make the rules. That`s the way democracy works. The majority rules. As a non-Christian, it bugs me, but as an American, it makes me proud.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 7:23 am
    Religious nuts have been killing, enslaving and controlling for so long, it`s going to take them a while to get with the programme.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 21, 2012 at 7:26 am

    "When the majority of our country is Christian"
    Are they? Are they really? If you pin someone down in a Poll and ask if they are religious or christian or believe in god, just from superstitious upbringing most will say `yes`.

    But if you dig deeper, most don`t follow any of the covennants of any religion. Most don`t attend church, nor pay the slightest attention to what is and is not "sin".

    Paying lip service to something out of tradition is not the same as following a faith.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 7:38 am
    Rick_S: It also acutely points out the flaws of democracy.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 7:50 am
    Rick_S:

    You are wrong, the Bill of Rights protects individual rights from the majority abusing its power. You need a civics course.
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    faustsshadow Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:09 am
    Inalienable rights means a right that cannot be taken away. These rights are not <i>given</i> to us by the government or a king or magistrate - they are ours. Thus, if it is something that the government needs to give - it is not a right. Health care, education, a piece of paper that has tax implications - these are not rights.

    I`m not opposed to many of the goals that people are fighting for when discussing `rights` - I just don`t like the terminology. Words mean things and meaning is important.
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    faustsshadow Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:10 am
    @Draculya

    Nuts have been killing, enslaving, etc. for so long. I mean sure, religion could be removed. Didn`t really stop Mao from killing about 60 million people, but hey - I`m sure everything would just be rainbows and sunshine for everyone if it was out of the picture, right?

    tl; dr: people are pooty - it`s not going to change.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:21 am
    Where Rick_S lives if you get enough people together and take a vote on whether or not to shoot somebody, majority wins.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:25 am
    "That`s the way democracy works. The majority rules. As a non-Christian, it bugs me, but as an American, it makes me proud."

    This is not a democracy. We are a representative republic.

    A true democracy is a bad thing, as it is defined by mob rule. if 51% of the people decided slavery was a good thing, then it would be, and there wouldn`t be poo you could do about it.

    Stop over-using the word democracy. Obama uses it all the time, and it makes me cringe.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:34 am
    Stop over-using the word democracy. Obama uses it all the time, and it makes me cringe.
    I think ALL politicians over-use it.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:05 am
    Agreed Patch.
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    imnakdjumpme Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:17 am
    im kind of confused when the term "inalienable rights" is used, as anything can be taken away or given. Whether that be healthcare, freedom of expression, or your own life. Some would say healthcare is a right because being healthy can be a major factor and subtext to your "inalienable right" to life, liberty, and your pursuit of happiness.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    March 21, 2012 at 11:26 am
    aburnjunky,

    That would be Majoritarianism. The support of the majority is a necessary but insufficient condition of democracy which also requires such things as due process, equality before the law, freedom of speech/belief, civil liberties etc.

    OK, technically that is liberal democracy, but that is what most people mean by the word. Hitler was elected by a majority but we don`t generally regard the Third Reich as a democracy.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    March 21, 2012 at 11:30 am
    "The state can`t give you freedom, and the state can`t take it away. Freedom is something you`re born with, and then one day someone tries to deny it. The extent to which you resist is the extent to which you are free."

    Utah Phillips.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 11:39 am
    @LordJim: The election that brought him into office, was a true democratic election.

    Democracy comes from the Greek word `demokratous` which literally means `rule of the people`.

    Democracy is often confused with the republic form of government. In some definitions of "republic," a republic is a form of democracy. Other definitions make "republic" a separate, unrelated term.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    March 21, 2012 at 11:51 am
    @auburnjunky,

    Quite. A regime can be democratically elected yet not be a democratic regime. In effect `One person, one vote, once.`
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 12:02 pm
    Uhm, Religion is not equal to or like a gun at all, which I believe even a toddler could understand. No one is going to kill you with a bible, we have freedom of religion, NOT freedom from religion. Everyone has the right to free speech and we have a representative democracy where the majority rules.

    Not everyone can do as they please when and wherever they please, we have laws, we are a nation filled with laws about just nearly everything to do with our lives these days, too many laws, in my humble opinion.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 12:11 pm
    Do`s and Don`ts
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    March 21, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    `we have freedom of religion, NOT freedom from religion.`

    What does that actually mean? I`ve heard the expression before but not in any clear context. Do you mean I can believe what I want but must adhere to the rules and dogmas of a religion I don`t believe in? That wouldn`t be freedom of religion.

    Or do you mean that I can believe wwhat I want but I can`t demand that other beliefs become invisible? I`m fine with that.
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    j_dizzek_27 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    Pure and simple
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    March 21, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    `Democracy is often confused with the republic form of government.`

    Really? Surely only by very uneducated people. N. Korea, Iran and Zimbabwe are republics. UK, Holland and Denmark are constitutional monarchies. I doubt if anyone seriously questions which are democratic. Republic just means `not a monarchy`.

    Which is why the names `Republican`and `Democrat` in US politice seems so odd odd to outsiders, as Democrats favour a republic and Republicans favour democracy. At least I would hope that was the case.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    Haha. The hicks are in force I see.
  32. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 1:45 pm
    LordJim: It means you can believe whatever you want to believe and you can discuss that belief freely with others even if you don`t like their beliefs.

    What you can`t do is insist that everyone stay silent about or not express their beliefs, or start demanding that certain symbols of belief be removed from your sight wherever you may go.

    Looking at a Cross, Star of David, Crescent, Buddha, Nativity Scene, Menorah, Peace Sign or Yin Yang doesn`t harm you in anyway.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    March 21, 2012 at 2:47 pm
    CrakrJak

    That works for me. I certainly would`t want any image or symbol removed from my sight wherever I may go. How precious would I have to be?

    I`m an atheist but I`m hardly going to get sniffy if I`m injured in a situation and the ambulance has a red cross or red crescent on the side. A red swastika might be problematic, I`d hope they were Hindus.

    But I do understand that there is a problem with religious symbols being effectively emblazoned on public spaces such as schools and courthouses and legislative buildings.

    If these places are noticeably and exclusively branded with the iconography of a specific religious belief then that is a fairly clear claim that the ethos and dogma of that specific belief are dominant within that public space.

    I might have a problem with that, in some circumstances.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 2:53 pm
    venners77-"Having any religion involves following a set of rules."

    No, having a religion means BELIEVING a set of rules. There is a difference.

    venners77-"I`d say everyone around me toting weapons would make me feel particularly free either"

    That just demonstrates your own fear of an inanimate object and has no bearing on the subject at hand. As your fears in no way effect my life.
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    talon0325 Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    BUT it seems that in the east you can use a gun to remove your religious freedom. The first 2 may work, but the last 2 have been proven wrong for centuries.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:39 pm
    If you want an example of how ridicules a government can get when people of faith make the rules just visit Utah.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    March 21, 2012 at 9:39 pm
    If you want to live free, you have to be willing to let others live free.
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    March 21, 2012 at 10:35 pm
    "My freedom is being oppressed by not being allowed to treat other citizens as second-class citizens!"
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2012 at 6:57 am
    "Easy to understand for all kooks!"

    And then people start arguing about it.

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