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90 Responses to The GOP War On Women

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    swoop408 Male 18-29
    1754 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 1:02 pm
    Link: The GOP War On Women - Women seem to be second-class citizens this year.
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    Norris Male 18-29
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    March 24, 2012 at 5:22 pm
    this is why they are called republic*unts
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    WeePee Male 18-29
    612 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 5:39 pm
    agreed.
    they need to use all that energy making sandwiches instead of yapping.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 24, 2012 at 5:40 pm
    One sided video is unspeakably predictable and boring.

    I guess it`s OK for Bill Maher to call women c*nts? Or Letterman to call them sluts, or hope underage girls get raped?
    Nice.
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    icklevamp Female 18-29
    375 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    Argh, why is the anti abortion cause so tied to christianity is america? It`s not a christian issue, the bible doesn`t rule against abortions. If you believe that life/consciousness starts at conception, then you oppose abortion, if you don`t, then you don`t.
    I`m an anti abortion atheist left wing hippy, and proud of it!
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
    1920 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    This is just a manufactured attempt to shift the focus from the real issues.

    The Left has said much worse about women, and no one has uttered one word about it.

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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 6:16 pm
    Much as I agree with the sentiment that there are some particularly hateful and ignorant people in the Republican movement at present, I still couldn`t advocate voting Democrat at the next election. Obama broke so many of his clear electoral promises in such a very short period of time, that anyone who votes for him again this time around deserves exactly what they`ll get: four more years of weasel words and being lied to.

    The only rational choice, if you ask me, is not to vote. A low voter turnout sends a clear message to politicians that voters don`t appreciate having only the choice between a liar and a lunatic for presidential candidates. (In fact, in my ideal world, voters would en masse write "none of the above" on their ballot papers, and let the sheer weight of the number of spoiled ballots embarrass fraudsters and fools of all political persuasion to produce better candidates next time).

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 24, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    I don`t understand why their husbands allowed them to make that video.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    March 24, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    Actually, MacGuffin, a low turn out rate is not the best approach. The best approach is a high turn out rate with a low count of actual votes. When voting, you don`t have to fill out every box for every position.

    Vote for those you truly like, and leave the rest blank.

    What does it say to politicians who are running unopposed when the turn out is 100,000 but they only receive 10,000 votes? They still win but it shows that they aren`t liked.
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    Kurrus Female 30-39
    11 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 7:32 pm
    Gerry1of1, because all these feminazi b*tches are always lesbians, but of course!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 8:10 pm
    Also: Who keeps saying IAB is "right wing"? It is to laugh!

    Lolz! @Kurrus!
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    tacks Female 18-29
    155 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    MrPeaBody, I agree that this war against women is to distract from real problems. The GOP is distracting people with this idiocy. What has the left said? Have they passed laws to limit women`s choices? I remember Obama passing the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, I don`t remember republicans doing much for women.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    March 24, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    ...and yet, they have absolutely no problem whatsoever with Democrats calling Republican women $lu+s, +w@+s, and kun+$.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2345 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 9:18 pm
    let`s get something straight.

    liberal have never called palin or bachman sluts, mean persons etc.

    they have called them crazy, a term that applies to women or men.

    the GOP is attacking women because they are women and not because they are crazy.

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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2345 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 9:19 pm
    btw I did not write "mean person" the website censored the "C" word.
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    ChrisP12 Male 40-49
    186 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 9:20 pm
    Compared to public stoning, genital mutilation, forced marriage to their rapist, and honor killings, the republicans are pikers compared to radical Muslims.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2345 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 9:20 pm
    MacGuffin

    how much lower can voter turn out get?

    you do realize that low turn out is exactly how we get stuck with terrible choices and politicians that do whatever they want right?

    if we do not hold them accountable, they do not have to fear us.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 24, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Refusing to pay for someones birth control pill, an option medication used to enhance recreational activity by removing it`s consequences, is not a war on women.

    The femanist movement has failed. It`s purpose was to bring women forward with respect and diginity, yet the most common words used to refer to women is "ho`s" and "bitches". Even women use them. No, it`s time they realized they really were better off in the kitchen with the security of a man to care for them.

    OUTCH! stop throwing things at me DixxieRarr
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    tatripp Male 18-29
    1196 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 10:30 pm
    this is retarded. What santorum said was actually good. Liberals say they are so open minded but they can`t even think about other perspectives than their own. If i`m wrong then prove me wrong.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    March 24, 2012 at 10:53 pm
    God forbid I don`t want my money going to something somebody else can easily afford themselves.
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
    646 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 11:32 pm
    It hurts when you cons are called on your wickedness. Butthurt much?
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    PinkHomicide Female 18-29
    355 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 11:36 pm
    Birth control isn`t JUST for sex,I know plenty of girls who were on birth control LONG before ever being sexually active. I have a friend who`s been on it since she was nine because she had cramps so bad she was missing days of school each month, I know girls who were on it for bad acne and other skin conditions. It`s been known to ease a debilitating skin disease known as hidradenitis suppurativa.

    So the whole "I don`t want to pay for women to have sex" argument, makes a lot of people look stupidly ignorant. Not to mention not to many seem to mind to pay for old men to have sex. - Also, for the sake of putting it out there, I`m not on B.C. so whether it`s covered or paid for out of pocket it doesn`t affect me either way and I`m not one to feed into the "oh boo hoo, I`m an oppressed woman" crap but the piss poor argument of its just for sex really gets on my nerves.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
    4348 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 12:25 am
    `we are women, we vote`....probably not for much longer!
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    swiftkeys Male 18-29
    500 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 1:23 am
    lol why are they not in the kitchen?
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2012 at 1:43 am
    `we are women, we vote` from the kitchen? how?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 1:53 am
    You know what ladies, you`re going to be `vaginally penetrated` via ultrasound before and after and abortion anyways, it`s done with nearly every abortion.

    The GOP doesn`t have a problem with women, it has a problem with abortion being used as birth control and birth control being mandated by the government.

    Especially when the major pharmacies all have discount programs that include birth control for about $9 a month.

    Let`s take a look at Obamacare shall we ? They are mandating doctors that `annual` breast mammograms should only be given every two years, among other cost cutting measures, that could lead to women dying from delayed diagnosis and treatment.

    So who really has a `War on Women" ?
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
    626 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 2:39 am
    The Republican party is at war with all members of society that don`t fit into their little white, bible-thumping army of clones they envision America as. How is this news? Anyone who doesn`t fit into their idea of America who votes for them basically makes themselves second-class citizens.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3929 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 3:14 am
    "Let`s take a look at Obamacare shall we ? They are mandating doctors that `annual` breast mammograms should only be given every two years, among other cost cutting measures, that could lead to women dying from delayed diagnosis and treatment."

    Come on, a recommendation in 2009 by the USPSTF is not a mandate of the Health Care Reform. The American Cancer Society, the National Cancer Institute, and the National Comprehensive Cancer Network all still recommend mammograms for women ages 40 and over either every year or every other year.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
    463 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 3:36 am
    MoveOn.org is the propaganda tool of the Obama administration. The war on women is seen in the cost cutting measures of Obamacare: no more Avastin for breast cancer, breast exams only every 2 years, etc. This is a war of information, and a war for your mind. Be aware. Be informed.
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    simbha Male 30-39
    412 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 5:36 am
    @patticakes: I understand your feeling here (regarding Avastin), but I disagree. Access was important, but it had to be balanced by an understanding of the considerable side effects. I don`t envy the FDA decision-maker who had to choose to revoke Avastin`s breast cancer indication; it can`t have been an easy choice.

    To be clear, it is a woman (Dr. Margaret Hamburg, Commissioner of the FDA) who ultimately signed off on the Avastin response. I don`t claim to have a good understanding of the clinicals on this, but it does seems that the move was largely praised by healthcare professionals.
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    53590 Male 13-17
    20 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 5:41 am
    Here`s what my mother (a women) thought of this:

    " Come on people, you can`t think that Rush Limbaugh comment was serious, he was making a joke. Why wouldn`t you want someone to have an ultrasound before an abortion? What`s the issue here? "
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    DromEd Male 40-49
    1945 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 7:26 am
    Rush was doing what he always does. Illustrate absurdity by being absurd. But haters don`t know this because they never actually listen to the show and thus never get anything in context.

    Santorum obviously believes abortion to be murder. (We`re pretty much all agreed that murder is bad right) So tar and feather the guy for having the courage of his convictions to stand up and say so. You don`t have to agree with him but you have to respect his point of view as you demand he/others respect yours. Or would you rather have politicians just tell you what you want to hear? You have a choice come election time. Make yours and move on.

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36866 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 7:36 am

    tatripp, "What santorum said was actually good"
    Well THERE`s something you don`t hear everyday. You can put that in the annals of `Unused Phrases` along with

    Snooki is so clever!
    That Whoopi Goldberg, she`s totally hot!
    &
    The Oscar goes to.... Steven Seagal.
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    tacks Female 18-29
    155 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 7:40 am
    Birth control and abortions are nice and free in Canada and we`re fine. This is not an issue, people should stop making it an issue.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6269 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 8:58 am
    tacks-"Birth control and abortions are nice and free in Canada"

    Sorry, that would be incorrect. The contraceptives cost money. The pills cost money. The procedure costs money (or are your doctors slaves?).

    The only thing Canada has managed to do is to place the cost on someone else.

    Here in the US the debate is NOT whether birth control and abortion are available, but rather who`s responsible for paying for it. That`s where that whole idea of `Personal responsibility` comes to play.

    The `GOP War on Women` is entirely fabricated by the democrats (and the media on their side) because they realize that there is a very little chance that Obama can successfully run on his record or the economy under his direction.
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    bdowner60 Male 40-49
    593 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 9:07 am
    Mrs. America , will always find a excuse {no matter how absurd}demanding that she is always the victim , unless of course you hand everything at extreme expense to to you over to her {Miss Free-ride as usual}
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 25, 2012 at 9:18 am
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2012 at 9:26 am
    @MeGrendel Canadians feel that population control is everyone`s problem, much like public health.

    Everyone has a voice and life here.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    March 25, 2012 at 9:46 am
    This is really pathetic. It is such obvious propaganda it doesn`t even work. Only an idiot would take any of it at face value, and some of it is actually positive. Of course people should have to pay for their own contraception - it is insane to suggest otherwise, and far from "war on women" to say it.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    March 25, 2012 at 9:50 am
    Patticakes

    I disagree. MoveOn.org is a propaganda organisaation of billionaire George Soros.

    Soros is a man who has made all his money by making sure bets. He can only do so in a distorted market, where he knows that government will either cover his risk, pay a known amount or force others to cover his risk.

    Soros supports socialism, in the form of Democrats and Obama in the USA, because this is the ideology of ill-gotten wealth, of the sure bet. Big government and government market distortion are to his advantage. MoveOn.org is a business investment for Soros - I would not be surprised if he claims so in his accounts.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    March 25, 2012 at 9:53 am
    Tell that one to my ex-wife Gerry1of1. She took my 23 acre farm after I put her through RN school.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 25, 2012 at 9:53 am
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    March 25, 2012 at 10:03 am
    liberal have never called palin or bachman sluts, mean persons etc.
    jamie76, you are either a blithering idiot or an unscrupulous liar.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
    1754 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 11:24 am
    I find it funny so many dudes are upset by this. Inferiority complex? Threatened? Not really sure why people would be upset about women having coverage for contraceptives when men have coverage for boner pills. Weird double standard, eh?
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 11:33 am
    how much lower can voter turn out get?

    you do realize that low turn out is exactly how we get stuck with terrible choices and politicians that do whatever they want right?

    if we do not hold them accountable, they do not have to fear us.

    I still say there`s power in refusing to participate whilst the available options at the ballot box are so poor.

    In a related matter, I see that Dick Cheney had a heart transplant yesterday. The Wonderful Wizard has been busy. Now all we need is to get Dubya a brain, and Barry some courage and there may be some decent options available at the polls again.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
    546 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 11:33 am
    Good thing we have Dems to keep women safe! Let`s make this election about how much Repubs hate women,
    starve children, are racist, homophobes that don`t belive in equal rights of marriage, and oh... want to take the health care and retirement of seniors.

    Let`s scare everyone into voting Democrat!
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    Nietzscheese Male 18-29
    17 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 11:52 am
    I find it strange that contraception is being turned into a women`s only issue. As a man, I feel that I have a deeply vested interest in not getting my girlfriend pregnant. Some forms of contraception might be used by the woman, but access to it affects us both.
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    The Dems are going to war against legal white American citizens so I guess it evens out.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    March 25, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    downer alert
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    March 25, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    Hey, Nietzscheese, sodomy`s free.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 25, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    "Not really sure why people would be upset about women having coverage for contraceptives when men have coverage for boner pills. Weird double standard, eh"
    Viagra corrects a physical malfunction, an inability to do what the body is supposed to do.
    Birth Control is an elective medication that prevents the body from oporating properly.

    And it`s not needed. They should still insist on a condom for std`s.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 2:17 pm
    Not really sure why people would be upset about women having coverage for contraceptives
    @swoop: The REAL issue is the US government FORCING a chuch to provide abortion pills. And contraceptives too.
    What ever happened to "seperation of church and state" that the liberals are so fond of?
    Nothing prevents her from working somewhere else, or paying $9 a month on her own. Do Muslim companies pay for abortion pills? Hummm?
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    tsiemens Male 30-39
    515 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 3:54 pm
    blah blah blah women, blah blah blah gays etc, when do I get a male repression video dammit!
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2345 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 3:54 pm
    5Cats

    an insurance company or a hospital is NOT A CHURCH.

    I do not care if it is called St. Jude`s the Catholic of all Catholics or whatever.

    a hospital is a hospital.

    mandating that insurance companies cover birth control is not mandating that the religious church or company do the same. all it means is that the insurance that they offer also offers birth control.

    so really this is more about the church trying to control what insurance companies offer than anything else.

    tell me why should a church get to decide what is or is not covered in my health insurance that is provided by a SPERATE COMPANY?

    you know what, I am sure you have some BS answer but that is exactly what it is.

    today`s GOP

    white
    male
    racist
    afraid (of everything)
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2345 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 3:55 pm
    tsiemens

    when white males stop owning and controlling everything, become enslaved, lose the right to vote, decide for themselves and have to defer to others to make their decisions for them.


    until then feel free to stfu.

    oh and go call your mom and tell her you love her and she is prefect they way she is.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 4:34 pm
    when white males stop owning and controlling everything, become enslaved, lose the right to vote, decide for themselves and have to defer to others to make their decisions for them.


    until then feel free to stfu.

    I see only three explanations for your posts:

    1) You actually believe what you write, in this case that women in the USA today are slaves who can`t own or control anything, can`t vote and can`t make decisions for themselves. If that`s true, you are hallucinating and delusional on an epic scale - bona fide insanity.

    2) You`re just another bigot spewing lies as propaganda to promote your bigotry.

    3) You`re a troll.

    I`m betting on (2).
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 5:41 pm
    No, churches should not be forced to hand out contraceptives... but on the other hand they should be taxed, which they aren`t. So... I see a small injustice well publicized dwarfed by a massive injustice no one cares about.

    Summary: I don`t care. The right in America has always been stupid, and the left sometimes gets their priorities out of order. Yes, if you`re forcing churches to give out contraceptives you should force mosques to do the same, of course.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm
    I do not care if it is called St. Jude`s the Catholic of all Catholics or whatever.

    a hospital is a hospital.
    Haha! Religious Hospitals? Just when I thought the health care system in the states could not get worse. Well... you`ve got two choices. Either you let them do what they want, thus respecting their religious freedoms to discriminate, and consequently degrading the overall quality of health care provided to that of a developing country, or... you put in a rule that says whoever calls themselves a hospital must fulfill certain standards, thus no hospital can ever discriminate, and consequently raise your overall quality of healthcare to "terrible", up from if-you-get-sick-you-might-as-well-die.
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    NILE12 Male 18-29
    157 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 6:38 pm
    Some women play with mens emotions...
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    BluishOrange Female 50-59
    87 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    So what`s going on here? Access to contraception is a woman`s concern and not an equal concern for the cranky IAB boys? You really want 12 kids at home and a wife who can`t work because you knocked her up again? Seriously? Or does none among you have a wife or a girlfriend? Ahh...maybe that`s the issue. Step down out of the conversation then; it doesn`t concern you. And Gerry1of1, at your age, your problem is not likely a malfunction, it`s more of a natural non-occurrence that is designed to prevent women from getting pregnant by an old codger who isn`t going to be around to raise a child. (But I don`t really mind paying into an insurance plan that covers Viagra. I think having fun is an important aspect of health.)
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    March 25, 2012 at 8:01 pm
    @BO, how do you get from having legal "access to contraception" (which, BTW you had for all of your reproductive life) to using the coercive power of government to force someone else to pay for it, even if that violates their deeply held religious beliefs?

    I have an EXPLICIT constitutional right to own a gun. Does that mean that the government can force you to buy me one? I also have a right to have sex. Does that mean the government should force you to buy me a hooker? I have a right to freedom of the press. Have you priced a good printing press lately? When can I expect to be receiving your check to pay for that?

    Here`s a quick civics lesson for you, BO: a right cannot impose an obligation on another person. If it does, it is not a right; it is a privilege, i.e., something enjoyed by the privileged at the expense of everyone else who suffers to pay for it.
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    BluishOrange Female 50-59
    87 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    Old Ollie, some Jehovah`s Witnesses refuse blood transfusions based on deeply held religious convictions. Does that mean that you, assuming you are not a Jehovah`s Witness and have no such convictions, should not be eligible to have a blood transfusion covered by your insurance? Or if you are a Jehovah`s Witness, does that grant you the right to form the policies governing non-Jehovah`s Witnesses in your group insurance plan?
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    APedersen Female 18-29
    108 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 9:14 pm
    I am a woman and I will vote Republican!

    "Beware of Liberal media"
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 9:44 pm
    @OldOllie
    you don`t have a constitutional right to own a gun, you have the right to bear arms



    @CrakrJak
    that`s the trail of thought that leads back to slavery
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 9:51 pm
    @BO, I have absolutely no idea how your rambling, incoherent post has anything to do with anything I said. I would try to explain it again, but if you couldn`t get it the first time, it would be a complete waste of time.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2012 at 11:25 pm
    "a right cannot impose an obligation on another person"

    I have the right to live, that imposes a legal obligation on other people to not kill me.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 25, 2012 at 11:36 pm
    I-IS-BORED: Slavery, really ?

    You`re either the worst troll ever, or the dumbest liberal ideologue on the internet, to actually believe that.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6269 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 6:30 am
    antagonizer-"Everyone has a voice and life here."

    Keep telling yourself that.

    Nietzscheese-" I feel that I have a deeply vested interest in not getting my girlfriend pregnant"

    Then you have a deeply vested interest in paying for it.

    I-IS-BORED-"I have the right to live, that imposes a legal obligation on other people to not kill me."

    There are already a legal obligation against killing. What you`reaiming for is in line with passing a law that when you suffer from liver failure from too much driking, you want to force your neighbor to pay for your treatment. (Do you plan on forcing him to give up his liver, too?)
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    March 26, 2012 at 7:32 am
    They may vote...

    ... but they still cannot drive.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    March 26, 2012 at 9:09 am
    antagonizer-"Everyone has a voice and life here."

    Keep telling yourself that.

    Nice argument MeGrendel, I completely trust your opinion because you`re coming at this with absolutely no knowledge of what it`s like living in Canada. We have universal health care because we aren`t selfish. We care about other people in our country, not just ourselves, you should try it sometime.

    They may vote...

    ... but they still cannot drive.
    I had to lol. As much as I`d like to say the majority of slow, over-apprehensive drivers are not women, sadly they are.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6269 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 11:31 am
    patchgrabber-"no knowledge of what it`s like living in Canada"

    Let`s see. It`s cold. Big-assed masquitos. More socialist than I like. And the majority of people I know personally know in Canada are idiots. (not talking about the ones that post here, but those I know personally).

    I`ve been to Canada. I wasn`t impressed.

    patchgrabber-"We have universal health care"

    Yeah, but I was able to see a specialist last week in about 4 hours. Wait time for Canada is over four weeks. I think I prefer mine.

    patchgrabber-"We care about other people in our country, ...you should try it sometime"

    It`s not the government`s place to tell me who to care about. People are free to be total recluses if they want. Or asswipes (we call that the "Democrat Party").

    The fact that you have `Universal, eventually, if you can wait and live long enough` healthare does not make you more `enlightened` as a count
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    Let`s see. It`s cold. Big-assed masquitos. More socialist than I like. And the majority of people I know personally know in Canada are idiots.
    I`ve never heard my country described so succinctly and accurately before. Let me try: I`ve been to the US before. Too hot. People didn`t even know where Montana was. Most people were fat and/or stupid.
    Yeah, but I was able to see a specialist last week in about 4 hours. Wait time for Canada is over four weeks. I think I prefer mine.
    Ah, yes, the old `wait time` argument. Yes, wait times are longer, but I have no recollection of one of our hospitals turning away gunshot wounds or dropping sick people off on the street. You also seem ignorant of provinces with two-tier health care, like Alberta.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    It`s not the government`s place to tell me who to care about. People are free to be total recluses if they want. Or asswipes (we call that the "Democrat Party").
    Seems to me like most of your right-wing people are the ones who don`t give a drat about anyone but themselves, it must be nice to have no social conscience. Up here we call those people asswipes.
    The fact that you have `Universal, eventually, if you can wait and live long enough` healthare does not make you more `enlightened` as a count
    Having universal health care doesn`t make me axiomatically more enlightened, but if you look at any country with universal health care they would not trade it for your brand for all the tea in China. I`d rather have compassion for others rather than contempt, which you seem so fond of. Every brand of health care has its problems, but at least we try to treat everyone we can.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6269 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 1:02 pm
    patchgrabber-"People didn`t even know where Montana was."

    I know where Montana is. Been there many times.

    patchgrabber-"the old `wait time` argument"

    Old, and yet, valid.

    patchgrabber-"I have no recollection of one of our hospitals turning away gunshot wounds"

    I have no recollection of that going on here. I`ll have to ask my wife. She`s had her finger plugged in a few gunshot wounds before. (ah, now I remember...it`s AGAINST THE LAW to deny anyone emergency medical care in the US).
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6269 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 1:10 pm
    patchgrabber-"Seems to me like most of your right-wing people are the ones who don`t give a drat about anyone but themselves"

    See, there`s that whole `comprehension` thing you`re missing..(or maybe a bad case of getting your news from MSNBC).

    patchgrabber-"it must be nice to have no social conscience"

    Ahh, liberal buzzword time.. `social concience`. Sounds great, fails in implementation.

    `Social conscience`: The point where you care so much that you`re willing to donate other people`s money to solve `the problem` (of course, the problem is only exacerbated, and more of other people`s money must be thrown at it).
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 1:27 pm
    Old, and yet, valid.
    Wait times are longer, but this also seems to be the only downside you can think of. I guess it`s just better to let people without insurance use your ERs as a doctor`s office then? I`m sure that has no cost to the average American, hmm?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    or maybe a bad case of getting your news from MSNBC
    I don`t watch any American news. I find it all horribly biased and more inflammatory just to attract viewers.

    `Social conscience`: The point where you care so much that you`re willing to donate other people`s money to solve `the problem`
    Actually, I`m willing to donate MY money, but nice spin you put on it there.
    Ahh, liberal buzzword time.. `social concience`. Sounds great, fails in implementation.
    I forgot that it was only liberals who use `buzzwords`. Irrelevant in any case, but what would you call a place where people only seem to care about themselves, and as long as they have theirs, then screw everyone else, huh?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6269 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 2:09 pm
    patchgrabber-" but this also seems to be the only downside you can think of"

    Just the simplest to cite, there are others. (others: limited cancer treatment types, limited care options, fewer doctors, less available equipment)

    patchgrabber-" I find it all horribly biased and more inflammatory just to attract viewers. "

    With that I agree.

    patchgrabber-"what would you call a place where people only seem to care about themselves, and as long as they have theirs, then screw everyone else, huh?"

    Washington D.C. (It bears no resemblance to my neck of the woods)


    In other Canadian News: "Jenna Talackova Removed from Miss Universe Canada for Being Born Male"
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    In other Canadian News: "Jenna Talackova Removed from Miss Universe Canada for Being Born Male"
    Is this link supposed to be some red herring/ad hominem hybrid? News flash: transvestites aren`t allowed in Miss America either, know why? Same reason for this story, they don`t consider them women.

    (It bears no resemblance to my neck of the woods)
    Well seeing as how you seem to be the person I was describing, it definitely resembles your neck of the woods.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6269 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    patchgrabber-"Is this link supposed to be some red herring/ad hominem hybrid?"

    Nope, just an amusing story I came accross today (it was, after all, posted today) and as it was Canadian, thought you might find it interesting. (although, it could be taken in context as a statment of the masculinity of your women, and lack of it in your men, we have the same issues here)

    patchgrabber-"Well seeing as how you seem to be the person I was describing,"

    You seem to be confused. You were describing a PLACE, not a PERSON. (quote: "what would you call a PLACE" ).

    Well, just another instance when you`re incorrect, confused and/or basing a stupid opinion on bad or inaccurate information.

    Hint: a person being against socialized medicine does not equate to him/her being selfish, greedy or heartless.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    an insurance company or a hospital is NOT A CHURCH.

    Oh man! I missed out on @jamie76 making an arse of himself! Too busy playing Stars! and arguing about Zimmerman.

    tell me why should a church get to decide what is or is not covered in my health insurance that is provided by a SPERATE COMPANY?
    Um, "seperation of church and state"? That`s one.
    Show me where a Government can order a Church to pay for abortions, that`s two...
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 5:29 pm
    Nope, just an amusing story I came accross today

    Translation: red herring. You seem to enjoy prodding me or mentioning personal slights. I must have really hit the nail on the head with the whole selfish, narcissistic accusations.

    You seem to be confused. You were describing a PLACE, not a PERSON.

    So I did, you are technically correct...the best kind of correct. However, since you didn`t seem to be able to discover the intent of the comment, I can only assume you are on large amounts of prescription drugs or somewhat of a dullard. It`s nothing to be ashamed about. ;)

    a person being against socialized medicine does not equate to him/her being selfish, greedy or heartless.

    Granted the first two qualities are phrased in the form of a meaningless tautology, but let`s analyze:
    Not wanting to help those in need/dying/sick because you want to keep more money=selfish&greedy
    heartless=see a
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 8:48 pm
    @patchgrabber Seems to me like most of your right-wing people are the ones who don`t give a drat about anyone but themselves, it must be nice to have no social conscience.
    PG, you`re so full of liberal $#!+, I can smell it through my monitor. The fact is, conservatives give much more to charity than liberals at every income level, and at the highest income levels, the difference is HUGE. (Google it yourself if you don`t believe it.)

    P.J. O`Rourke said it best: "A Liberal is someone who`d gladly give you the shirt off of someone else`s back."
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 26, 2012 at 10:01 pm
    @Ollie: Y U mad? I don`t doubt conservatives give loads of money to charity. Gotta love those tax breaks, eh? I wonder how much would get donated without them...

    P.J. O`Rourke said it best: "A Liberal is someone who`d gladly give you the shirt off of someone else`s back."
    That insinuates that I don`t want to give anything of my own, which is just ridiculous. As I`ve mentioned before, I give plenty in addition to the happily given tax money that helps fund our health care. I`m sure the child in Uganda I sponsor is happy for the shirt on his back, and I didn`t ask anyone else for it. I get a pittance back in tax breaks, but I don`t mind giving anyway.

    Simmer down, you`ll give yourself a myocardial infarction.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6269 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 7:41 am
    patchgrabber-"Not wanting to help those in need/dying/sick because you want to keep more money=selfish&greedy"

    That is only if you take for granted (incorrectly) that socialized medicine is an IMPROVEMENT over what we have now. I don`t (just as many do not).

    Universal Healthcare =/= better healthcare. In many cases it will result in reduced healthcare, and the way the US Government runs things, it will cost more, be less effective and eventually lead to rationing.

    patchgrabber-"you didn`t seem to be able to discover the intent of the comment"

    Ahh, so now I`m supposed to `discover the intent`. I`m sorry, but you`ll have to deal with your own inabilitiy to debate. I`ll stick to debating what you say. You have to find a better way to express what you mean.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 9:01 am
    Ahh, so now I`m supposed to `discover the intent`. I`m sorry, but you`ll have to deal with your own inabilitiy to debate. I`ll stick to debating what you say. You have to find a better way to express what you mean.
    Well since you can`t see past a typo, and a rather simple one at that, and as you seem to prefer I`ll hold your hand like a small child and walk you through it:
    To...me... it...described(too many syllables?)... where...you...live...because ...you...live...there.

    I don`t suggest all aspects of universal health care are better, but at least everyone has the reassurance that they if they`ve lost a job etc. that they can still get healthcare. And like I said, your country treats the ER like a GP`s office, so how much do you think that costs?
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
    2374 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 9:23 am
    Let`s recap -- Romney is an elitist, dog-hating @zzh0l3. Santorum is a religious fanatic determined to turn the USA into a fundy theocracy. Newt Gingrich is eleven thousand years old. Man, who WOULDN`T vote Republican????
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6269 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 10:01 am
    patchgrabber-"but at least everyone has the reassurance that they if they`ve lost a job etc. that they can still get healthcare."

    Ah, there`s your fallacy. You seem to believe that the ONLY way you can get Health CARE is to have health INSURANCE.

    Hint: The two are not synonymous. Nor does one require the other. You can receive Health CARE without having Health INSURANCE. And you can carry Health INSURANCE and not require health CARE.

    It`s considered a `Personal responsibility` type thing.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 27, 2012 at 10:27 am
    Ah, there`s your fallacy. You seem to believe that the ONLY way you can get Health CARE is to have health INSURANCE.
    No I don`t. Like I said, your ERs are like a GPs office, so I guess you don`t need insurance after all.

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