Neil DeGrasse Tyson Strikes In The Library [Pic]

Submitted by: hole_rocks89 5 years ago in Science

You can"t stop science, Creationists.
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Male 12,365
[quote]It`s kind of frustrating seeing people bash Christians and saying people are blithering idiots just for being religious[/quote]

I used the phrase "blithering idiots", so I`m assuming I`m the target of the false claim you make, above.

I used the phrase "blithering idiots" to refer to people who think that a theory is just a guess and becomes a law if it turns out to be proven true. Which, obviously, is not the same as "being religious".

Are you just making things up in order to falsely pass yourself off as a victim in order to gain power? That is an effective tactic for a Christian in the USA, so it`s not surprising that some use it.

I don`t think that being religious makes someone a blithering idiot, although being a blithering idiot makes being religious a lot easier because being religious *requires* you to set aside thinking in favour of faith and obedience.
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Male 25,417
I see what you did there
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Male 15,182
"2 chapters into a book on the philosophy of science and all you can say is that any theory is highly probable but never true."

Never proven true. It`s a fundamental principle of the scientific method, not a flaw. The religious approach is to declare a fabrication to be an absolute truth and pretend not to listen when evidence mounts to the contrary. That`s not only a flawed theory but a flawed methodology.
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Male 213
2 chapters into a book on the philosophy of science and all you can say is that any theory is highly probable but never true. Damn you Hume!
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Male 15,182
All life saving medication should have bold warning labels saying "Treatment invented based partly on the science of evolution; taking this medication indicates your rejection of the bible"
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Male 5,811
@Otto: Well at least Obama has increased science funding. Our conservatives up here have cut science funding to the bone, and the institution I work for, the National Research Coundil, is in the process of being converted into a...how did our Minister of State for Science and Technology put it? "It will be hopefully a one-stop, 1-800, `I have a solution for your business problem`" concierge service for businesses, and all this at the expense of basic, blue-sky research. But what can I expect from a Minister of Science who dropped out of uni before getting a bachelor`s, and instead went into chiropractic?
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Male 438
"do not judge a group of people by the behaviour of just a few of them."

In Europe it may be a few. Here in the U.S. it is around 45% of people who reject evolution (an epidemic), and we wonder why we are falling behind the rest of the world in science.
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Male 438
Believing things based on faith has the same benefit as theft does over hard work.
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Female 7,997
mmm- that i contend. I do not believe in God, not even a tiny bit. BUT- depending how you define god it is certainly possible. It is not probable- BUT whilst we can be sure that the God of Abraham is a fiction and to yell at people for being christian is not on. Yell at people for rejecting science, being ignorant and being bigotted by all means- but many christians are none of those things, do not judge a group of people by the behaviour of just a few of them.
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Male 5,811
@bacon_pie: I see what you did there. But it`s not Neil Degrassi Tyson, haha.
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Male 3,060
Who is Neil DeGrasse Tyson? Did he create that Canadian teen drama?
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Male 5,811
Well I was ready to refute some of the ignorant BS on this forum, but most of my fellow scientists/science supporters have done it for me. :)

To be clear, as Angilion said, science doesn`t "prove" things, really. Any time I hear someone talking about science and proof, I know just how much they DON`T know about science. For clarification, like I said, just read Angilion`s comments.
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Male 4,593
Draculya; "Derptards"... LOL, I love that. Funny stuff.
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Male 15,182
"It`s kind of frustrating seeing people bash Christians and saying people are blithering idiots just for being religious"

It`s kind of tedious being preached at by derptards.

"Why can`t people use science and still believe?
Hell, Gregory Mendel was a damn monk and now he`s the father of genetics"

It`s like saying why can`t we be Catholic priests and still believe in pagan gods? Because god is patently and self evidently an imaginary friend of the weak minded.
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Male 15,182
Nope
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Male 15,182
@greekhop, has the spell checker replaced G.o.d. with Science?

Let me check:

drat
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Male 4,593
jib, oh now you`ve gone an hurt my feelings. I`m so sad now because of your clever wit and genius comebacks. I vote for you as the most clever of anyone on the Internet.
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Male 314
pmarren--->troll
Shoulda seen it earlier
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Male 4,593
jib... Derp.
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Male 314
Shoot pmarren has found the flaw in my argument.

The extra y really made a difference in the point I was getting across. You really picked me apart there
Hurr durr
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Male 116
Science is an imutable and unchanging pool of knowledge... it never develops over time, never refutes its previous claims. Science is valid wither you believe in it or not. Thats why I bleed myself with leaches when I have a fever. Everyone is in complete agreement on every single point of scientific inquiry and study. Thats why we use the same science textbooks year in year out and scientists never argue their points to gain converts to their point of view. See, life is just so clear cut and simple when using science, anyone who cant see that must be mentally retarded.
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Male 4,593
jib, I think you mean Gregor Mendel. Way to prove your point, Einstein.
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Male 270
What happened to all the millions of people who existed before this batch of religions were around? Do they automatically go to hell? They never had the chance to be Christians or Jews or Muslims! Dammit!
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Male 314
It`s kind of frustrating seeing people bash Christians and saying people are blithering idiots just for being religious

Why can`t people use science and still believe?
Hell, Gregory Mendel was a damn monk and now he`s the father of genetics
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Male 15,182
"Sadly you are probably right."

To be fair, it also applies in reverse, the most mobile, desireable and motivated people of any country are among the most likely to emigrate. I have many American expat friends and they impress the heck out of me.

Removed from their natural element, they also are less likely to shove their religion down people`s throats. Whenever you get too high a concentration of any one religion or culture, they seek to impose the quirks of their religion as law.

Buddhists seem the best in this regards. You can live among vast numbers of them and nobody tries to behead you for differing opinion.

Christians are downright scary, but nothing like as bad as muslims, who`d stone you for being so much as being from the wrong sect of the same branch of their religion.
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Male 5,189
Davymid gets +1
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Male 505
Lets stick a bunch of people who only know about science on one island and another bunch who only knows about religion on a different island. See what happens.
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Male 559
[quote]"There`s no tradition of scientists knocking down the Sunday school door, telling the preacher, That might not necessarily be true. That`s never happened. There`re no scientists picketing outside of churches."

Neil Degrasse Tyson[/quote]

Show me where. He specifically tries not to get tangled up with religion.
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Male 361
"Orchideous: "True" and "Fact" have pretty much the same meaning :|"

As you have demonstrated you will call something you perceive to be true, true. Facts can`t be denied.
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Male 4,849
"Every immigrant raises the national IQ."

Sadly you are probably right.
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Male 4,849
"There`s no tradition of scientists knocking down the Sunday school door, telling the preacher, That might not necessarily be true. That`s never happened. There`re no scientists picketing outside of churches."

Neil Degrasse Tyson
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Male 15,182
Just because someone is ignorant of science (and we all are to a varying degree) it doesn`t mean that they should believe in whatever whack religion is in vogue at the time. Religion is the lazy way out; it deals in absolutes. It purports to have an answer to everything, even if the answer is a disprovable lie or the answer is simply to say "you mustn`t ask that question".

I just can`t believe so many Americans are fundamentalist Christians in this day and age, refusing to consider science, while enjoying its discoveries. If it wasn`t for atheists, lip-service Christians, and Chinese, Jewish and Indian immigrants, America would sink into stagnation. Every immigrant raises the national IQ.
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Male 2,220
"The nuke "works". We don`t use it daily because it works too well."

Said by Baalthazaq, demonstrated by DavyMid!
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Male 12,365
[quote]I personally think that it`s arrogant to assume that we humans can explain everything through science.[/quote]

Nobody claims that it can. You`re fighting a strawman. Some things are inherently outside the scope of science.

It`s far more arrogant to presume you know the truth without looking for testable answers that you accept might be wrong. Science is a damn sight less arrogant than religion.

[quote]I`m more inclined to believe that there is something bigger than us.[/quote]

Why? Other than almost everything in the universe, obviously. I`m assuming you`re referring to whatever god(s) you believe in, not planets and stars and suchlike.

[quote]I do believe in the power of science[/quote]

Then you haven`t understood it. Belief is neither required nor relevant. Science is a method to reach reliable explanations. They are right or they are wrong and nobody`s belief has any effect on that.
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Male 12,365
I`m betting that some people are going to say that the germ theory of disease isn`t a theory any more, that it`s been proven and has therefore become a law.

Anyone who wants everyone here to know that they`re a blithering idiot who is utterly ignorant of even the basics of science, feel free to go ahead and do that.

The germ theory of disease is a theory. It will always be a theory because theories are always theories and can`t become anything else.
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Male 12,365
I think the best example is what is possibly the most important scientific theory ever - the germ theory of disease.

The essence of the theory is the idea that some diseases and infections can be caused by germs.

Anyone disagree with that? Hey, it`s only a theory, right? It`s not actually proven. Sure, billions of people have been successfully cured using it and an incalculable number of lives have been saved by it, there`s an overwhelming amount of evidence for it and it can actually be watched happening...but it`s only a theory. Not proven. A theory is hardly more than a guess, right?
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Male 12,365
[quote]Science doesn`t prove anything. It only shows that things are generally occur a certain way.[/quote]

Science provides reliable explanations of how things happen. Your second statement is wrong. Science can show that things always occur a certain way - the technical lack of absolute certainty is in the explanation of *how* they happen, not in what happens.

As for "science doesn`t prove anything", that is technically true. However, the standard of evidence for any science in current use is far above what would generally be considered proof.

If, for example, something is tested 1000 different ways by 1,000,000 different people in different places and passes every test every time, it would generally be considered totally proven.

It is not a weakness of science to allow for a possibility, no matter how remote, of error.
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Male 321
I prefer Christianity over Science, because Christianity encourages me to beat children and women, and possibly stab some non-believers.
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Male 1,754
Davymid just pancaked you all.
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Male 2,214
Science,at its core,is an Art. Religion is Stupid,lazy AND a Lie.
Science kkeps me cool in the summer,and warm in the winter...god does squat.
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Male 314
Science almost never proves anything is true, its purpose is to only prove that other things are false
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Male 542
It`s a good thing indeed. Undebatable. Post worthy? Debatable.
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Male 15,182
Christians defending their religion against science; aren`t they just adorable?
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Male 15,182
"how can you prove that science is true?"

New high score: Ignorance level 9000
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Male 1,196
how can you prove that science is true? Science doesn`t prove anything. It only shows that things are generally occur a certain way. I`m on the side of science but let`s get our facts straight.
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Male 12,138
Cheers Gerry buddy. Needed that. *HIC!*
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Male 678
Jeez, davymid. I see how you have 10,850 posts.
That being said, I agree 100%.
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Male 39,548

@ davymid - here is a squirrel drinking guinness which renders all of your points invalid.


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Male 24
Wow, I think this may be the first time I`ve ever liked something Baal has to say. +1 to you, sir.
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Male 12,138
Anyways, sorry for rant (it’s been a while). Not saying that all Americans are retarded, nor am I saying that all Christians are retarded – far from it. Just pointing out that when you hear retarded, repressive, anti-science sh*t it’s usually from American Christians. And on a more positive, helpful note: if America wants to stay a superpower in 2020, in the face of China and Europe and all, then you guys need to stop this anti-science bullsh*t that you’re feeding your population. Educate your kids on science, people. For f*ck sake. You’re the good guys. We need you on our side.

Sorry for massive post-bomb. Like I said, it’s been a while.
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Male 12,138
Sorry, open for flames, but I had to get that off my chest. As a professional scientist, this is something close to my heart. In fact, as Neil DeGrasse Tyson himself said (the guy who made this quote), “I don`t have an issue with what you do in the church, but I`m going to be up in your face if you`re going to knock on my science classroom and tell me they`ve got to teach what you`re teaching in your Sunday school. Because that`s when we`re going to fight.”
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Male 12,138
@mon360: “Science doesn`t make sense either because there is no such thing as standards...” You have no idea what the f*ck you’re talking about. Also, no surprise: *Checks Profile: Christian American.
@ lordtyusa: “Remember shock therapy, lobotomys, the sun revolving around the earth, blood letting, etc. yup gotta love that infallible science.” Ah yes, him again. Luddite. Science humbly advances and learns from its mistakes. Get it? Again, *Checks Profile: Christian American.
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Male 12,138
@lordtyusa: “Yup. Science has never been wrong before...cough cough...”. For f*ck sake. You hold a rock in your hand. You drop it. Gravity pulls it down. Gravity is a fact. You can explain it in Newtownian terms, or Einsteinian terms, or f*cking magical leprechauns that live in the centre of the earth that attract apples. The scientific *THEORIES* are just attempts to explain the scientific *FACTS*. Scientific Theories are malleable (as they should be). Scientific facts are just that. Observable, repeatable reality. Also, *Checks Profile: Christian American.
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Male 12,138
SappphireHart: “Well that sign doesn`t make sense when science is completely based upon theories that have to be proved or disproved first, and which are always changing to fit around new findings as we learn more. Clearly that was written by an ignorant non-scientist.” That ‘ignorant non-scientist’ is Neil DeGrasse Tyson, PhD Astrophysicist, Director of the Hayden Planetarium and one of the best science communicators American society has to offer since Carl Sagan passed away. Also, *Checks Profile: Christian American.
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Male 12,138

@alsobored: “Eh, according to science though, things that haven`t been discovered don`t exist. I believe in ESP and ghosts but there is no explanation for them so they`re said to not exist. "Science" has been wrong about many things in the past. Checks Profile: No idea, random moonbat who believes in ghosts and ESP, probably bigfoot as well, all par for the course. (also, according to the scientific method, since when did things that haven’t been discovered yet not exist? You should tell that to the guys at CERN, so they can stop wasting time looking for the Higgs Boson)
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Male 12,138
Continuing with the pattern:
@Bigfatdynamo: “science only concerns that which is observable, although it has branched out of those bounds in the last thirty years. Religion deals with that which is not observable, so long as the nature of the god in question is not observable. If people want to believe something because it does or does not have a foundation in science, then science has become a religion. Gasp.” *Checks Profile: Christian American.
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Male 12,138
Jesus f*cking wept. Where to start in the face of so much goddam stupidity? Sorry for sounding like an asshat here, but I’m starting to see a pattern with those opposed to/ridiculing science and the scientific method: Quoting here, looking up profiles where available.
@Collegebound: “cant the same thing be said about the bible?”: No, no it can’t. Jonah probably didn’t live inside a fish for days, there probably wasn’t a talking snake, and some pensioner called Noah probably didn’t build a boat that carried two of every species on the planet. No scientific evidence. You don’t have the information on your profile, but if I remember correctly, you’re a devout Christian American.
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Female 606
Hmm... okay. I personally think that it`s arrogant to assume that we humans can explain everything through science.

I`m more inclined to believe that there is something bigger than us. I do believe in the power of science but I don`t think I`m an idiot for believing that it cannot give us concrete answers for everything.

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Male 15,182
"Science is what happens outside you mind, faith happens inside."

Senility and schizophrenia happen in the head too. Faith has the same symptoms, but doesn`t respond as well to medication.
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Male 4,546
"Science has never been wrong before...cough cough..."

You obviously don`t understand what science is...
Science is a method, not just a collection of results.

Let me put it another way: "It doesn`t matter if you don`t believe in MATH, math is always true".

That there exist people who have screwed up, does nothing to math, nor to science.

Incidentally, it was never "science" that demonstrated the sun revolved around the earth, it was science that showed it didn`t when laymen thought it did.

Also:
Bloodletting does lower blood pressure.
Shock therapy and lobotomy do induce calm.
Those practices weren`t ended because they didn`t work. They ended because they treated symptoms not causes, and were too extreme.

The nuke "works". We don`t use it daily because it works too well.
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Male 16
So there`s a god, but everyone else`s god is fake, your`s is the only true one. Let`s kill each other over it now. But here we will use science to invent things to kill each other with.... aside from that it`s just lies designed to test your faith... this makes so much sense... yeah
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Male 234
I still believe that God and Science exist together. It stands to reason the the creator of the universe would know that this place needs laws and rules to make it work. Someone with the knowledge and ability to create the universe would understand that evolution is necessary for his creations to survive.

So why is it that most of you believe that one cannot exist without the other or that one disproves the other?
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Male 4,546
"argue all you want... 3/4s of you wouldn`t be here with out science..."

Considering "here" is a website, I think you`re selling science somewhat short.
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Male 39,548

Innie vs Outie.

Science is what happens outside you mind, faith happens inside. But in the immortal words of Albus Dumbledor {who was denounced by christianity for being A: gay & B: a wizard} "Of course it`s all in your mind, but why should that mean it isn`t real?".
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Male 4,014
God cannot be proven or disproven. So I am ok saying God might exist - but it doesn`t matter, because God can have no verifiable impact, so it is as worthwhile worrying about god as it is worrying about leprechans stealing my shoes then returning them before I even knew it.
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Male 4,014
"Yup. Science has never been wrong before...cough cough..."

That`s cute because it shows that you do not understand science at all. Science INVITES challenge. All you jackasses who think it is an anti-science point to say "science was wrong before" either never learned the scientific method or failed to grasp it.

Science is about VERIFIABLE TRUTH. It is about creating REPEATABLE experiments. And if you can`t repeat an experiment, or if you find a flaw in a theory, science invites it to be tested and analyzed. But it takes consensus, you have to be verifiably correct.

Science and religion are not inherently incompatible because religion is not susceptible to proof.


And to alsobored - you believe in ESP and ghosts, but where is the experiement to prove them? In fact, experiements have failed. Perhaps you are wrong. Refusing to change a belief in the face of evidence is DOGMA.
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Male 2,841
Best template for flame bait I have ever seen.
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Male 1,793
argue all you want... 3/4s of you wouldn`t be here with out science...
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Female 1,803
"Science doesn`t make sense either because there is no such thing as standards"

It`s called "The Scientific Method". google it. Standards scientists must follow to find facts that are measurable and duplicatable or theories when the entity can`t be measured to a fact level.

Science at any moment is as good as a scientist`s ability to measure and duplicate. As science advances, measurement methods improve and the data becomes more reliable. Religion, by definition, never gets more accurate. That`s why religious people follow dogma created by people thousands of years ago. People who didn`t know what a human cell was or why people get sick. Funny how Americans think people in the middle east are so barbaric and backward but forget these are the very people whose ancestors wrote their precious bible. Maybe they see too many biblical movies where white people play the parts. Jesus didn`t have blue eyes, sweetie.
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Male 103
That`s the thing about science, they know and admit when they`re wrong, and search for new answers/solutions. Religions got an ego so big, that it will get you killed if you disagree.
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Male 1,045
The thing about science is, even if it drats up, it`s encouraged to seek new answers, whereas religion asks you to believe whatever they tell you, and ignore new proof if it contradicts their teachings.
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Male 6,060
@SarahofBorg,
It`s not so much a redefining of the concept as much as what constitutes proof, although I recognize that we may be saying the same thing. For Intelligent Design proponents life is too complex to have arisen by chance. To me, that constitutes theory. To them, that`s proof of their predetermined theory of the existence of God. Actually, I think we really are saying the same thing, just differently!
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Male 301
Remember shock therapy, lobotomys, the sun revolving around the earth, blood letting, etc. yup gotta love that infallible science.
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Male 735
Science doesn`t make sense either because there is no such thing as standards...
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Male 301
Yup. Science has never been wrong before...cough cough...
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Female 3,562
By scientific definition proof is empirical, which means you have to be able to sense something with your physical senses for it to be real. Faith is believing in things that can`t be proven.
But then there`s the question of: are ideas real? Are thoughts real? You can`t prove I have thoughts and ideas. Is history real? If something once existed and is now gone, was it ever real?
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Female 6,381
I recommend NOT redefining proof. What we have now has served us very well.
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Male 40,300
Nicely said @SarahofBorg! It boils down to language & meaning of words. Tricky stuff.
Words like truth, proof, evidence and reality are all so subjective when the poo hits the fan, eh?
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Female 3,562
Anything can be true if you redefine the concept of proof.
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Male 1,793
science is our future, not 2000 year old magical lore... Neal could debate any of these religious nuts and kick a$$...
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Male 3,745
Otto67: good enough for me :)
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Male 438
Collegebound:

You are right, I am not claiming gods don`t exist, but I am not going to act like they do without proper evidence.
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Male 40,300
Update: The storm has passed!
I LOVE storms! Lightning, hail, wind, WOO-HOO!
It`s freaking MARCH! It was 22C here, the previous record was like 10C!
Strange days indeed!
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Male 3,745
Otto67: "The absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence." -Rummy-
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Male 438
collegebound:

Scientology is fiction, it was made up without any way to prove the veracity of the claim, like unicorns going to Neptune, and all other god claims.
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Male 3,745
oh well see, hypothetically, i just think the asains SENT them there themselves...hypothetically...
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Male 40,300
@collegebound: Scientologists believe that Space Aliens have had a profound effect in human history. It`s just making fun of them to think that aliens stole the unicorns ;-)

It does occure to me: what does this have to do with `creationists`?

Meanwhile: there`s a BIG storm here in Winnipeg! Woo hoo! Lightning aplenty!
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Male 3,745
Otto67: i have no idea what that has to do with scientology >.> that or the wikipedia def is wrong
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Male 447
Sometimes I think IAB tries hard to be the worst site on the internet. Ruthless1990 you read my mind.
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Male 438
"they haven`t discovered unicorn bodies so apparently unicorns don`t exist...i say that asains sent them all to Neptune..."

Scientology?
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Male 835
Good f*cking grief, some f*cktards will argue and split hairs about every goddamned thing that crosses their browser.
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Male 3,745
GlockPants: but that`s the basic science behind science...seewuhtididthar?

they haven`t discovered unicorn bodies so apparently unicorns don`t exist...i say that asains sent them all to Neptune...
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Male 163
@ alsobored

Are you serious? I don`t think anyone in science has ever said "If I haven`t discovered it, it must not exist."
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Male 347
Eh, according to science though, things that haven`t been discovered don`t exist.
I believe in ESP and ghosts but there is no explanation for them so they`re said to not exist.
"Science" has been wrong about many things in the past.
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Female 3,001
I was just thinking
"you know what, I haven`t been on IAB for ages, and I used to go on all the time, I`ma check it out again!"
then I saw this, and remembered why I stopped going on this website.
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Male 3,745
SapphireHart: i dont think he meant to get that deep into it. i think they were talking about the idea of science as a whole. good argument though.
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Female 412
Well that sign doesn`t make sense when science is completely based upon theories that have to be proved or disproved first, and which are always changing to fit around new findings as we learn more. Clearly that was written by an ignorant non-scientist.
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Male 3,745
Orchideous: "True" and "Fact" have pretty much the same meaning :|
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Male 40,300
Yeah, but MY truths are truer than YOUR truths! So there!
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Male 361
"cant the same thing be said about the bible?"

I guess if he replaced "true" with "fact" then certainly not.
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Male 259
yawn. Religion claims the same thing. The assumption is that what can be gained from empirical evidence is actual reality.

Continuing, science only concerns that which is observable, although it has branched out of those bounds in the last thirty years. Religion deals with that which is not observable, so long as the nature of the god in question is not observable.

If people want to believe something because it does or does not have a foundation in science, then science has become a religion. Gasp. How about we start another flame war?
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Male 39,548

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Male 3,745
cant the same thing be said about the bible?
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Male 762
I hope that book on the left is titled "Cooking Euclid."
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Female 353
Link: Neil DeGrasse Tyson Strikes In The Library [Pic] [Rate Link] - You can`t stop science, Creationists.
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