Moroccan Teen Kills Self After Judge Forces Rule

Submitted by: fancylad 4 years ago

What was the old rule that the judge enforced? Oh nothing, just that the teen had to marry her rapist. No big deal.
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Male 1,093
@5cats

lol, still visiting the dead link. Its sad how rules were set up, but never applied. When Muhammad (pbuh) died, not even the next day, some people wanted to reduce the prayer to 3 times a day and abolish the charity. Its amazing how disgusting humans are. Also, one of his best friends (like, literal best friend that he use to hang out with all the time) was a slave (search up bilal).
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Male 36,539
Thanks @akabane, nice link!
French Slavery
France took TWICE as many slaves from Africa than England & America combined.
Islam In Slavery
As it related to Africa. I just skimmed it, looks interesting though.
Hope you check this dead thread! lolz!
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Male 1,093
Slaves Rights in Islam

This is the link i was stating earlier. Again, it is kinda lengthy, but it holds the truth.
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Male 1,093
@5cats, thanks for the advice :) but yeah, you should blame the religion for the stupid culture people still hold. For example, NO WHERE, and again, I mean no where, is it mention to mutilate the women`s private parts. Thats just wrong on so many scales. Please dont think true Islam is like this. If you actaully read the quran and the syra(the story of Muhammad), you would be amazed at what happened to a terrible place to make it amazing.
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Male 741
Has anybody pointed out the jive/jibe mistake yet?
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Male 12,365
[quote]Even if I take the most liberally translated scripture that replaces "rape" with "and a man talks her into sleeping with him" is it still morally acceptable to you that she is forced to marry that guy?[/quote]

Those verses talk about what the man must do, not what the woman must do. So your question would be irrelevant even if I thought any religion had anything to do with morality (which I don`t).
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Male 12,365
[quote]If you claim that god is morally infallible then why don`t his teachings jive with what you believe now?[/quote]

I don`t claim that any of the gods that I don`t believe exist are morally infallible.

[quote]I never quoted any scripture, so I never showed any translation.[/quote]

You quoted verses, which makes an interpretation mandatory and a translation mandatory for anyone who doesn`t read ancient Hebrew.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Seems like every time a Christian is confronted with the immoralities of their bible it is always, "Hebrew translates funny" or "the cultural context is different." Exactly! So why to people turn to the cultural contextual moral teachings of sheep herders from 3000 years ago?[/quote]

You seem to have mistaken me for a Christian. I`m an atheist. I think that religion in general and the Abrahamic religions in particular have done and continue to do far more good than harm and if I could go back in time to change one thing it would be to stop Abraham.

The problem is that people don`t even turn to the moral teachings of bronze age sheep herders. They turn to whatever they want and claim divine authority for it by claiming that it`s the teachings of those bronze age sheep herders.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Also, you use the classic, "well how was that translated?" red herring.[/quote]

For people who give a damn about what was actually written, it`s not a red herring. It was also a minor point at the end of my post. After the questions you didn`t answer.

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Male 427
I don`t get it why people are proud that christians don`t do this.. you`ve done way waaaaaaay worse.
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Female 106
is it just me or does that kid look waaaay creepy?
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Male 36,539
I know @ChrisP12, it`s really a joke compared to this, eh?
@akabane, to the right of the reply box there`s a "link" button. In the first pop-up you type in something to describe your link. Click "ok". In the second box you paste your link`s address.
Like This!

While it`s good that SOME Islamic scholars disagree, this doesn`t change the law in Morocco, eh?
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Male 186
Tell me again about the republican war on women?
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Male 1,093
@Jayno. Yes there is. I tried sending you a link, but I-am-bored has a policy in which you cannot send more than 40 words in the text box. Go to google, tyoe "slave rights in islam" and click on the link "Slaves in Islam – The Concept & Their Rights « Then which of the ..."

It is kinda lengthy, but it gives the moral value of slavery in Islam, and the slaves rights.
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Male 1,122
@Jayno: Also that is great that they punish the rapist in someway and that the rapist has to pay reparations.
However, forcing the victim to then interact with the attacker in any way is wrong, never mind being put into a situation where future attacks become legal.
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Male 1,122
@Jayno
I know it wouldn`t happen but I was putting everyone in the victims shoes and I can only imagine religious men saying...well I don`t see what the problem is, without saying ok, how would you like it?
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Female 1,682
This is incredibly upsetting...That poor girl. No one should ever have to go through what she did.
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Male 176
@akabane
[quote]"If she is a free woman he must pay a “dowry” like that of her peers, and if she is a slave he must pay whatever has been detracted from her value"[/quote]
So there is still slavery allowed?

[quote]"There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her, which may be proven by her screaming and shouting for help"[/quote]
If no one hears a woman screaming and shouting for help, did she really scream for help?
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Male 176
@RPossum "Imagine your a guy that got raped by another guy at gun point"
You know that wouldn`t happen. In Iran they don`t have homosexuals
link
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Male 1,093
so its obvious you guys arent going to read the link i sent. Islamic ruling says that the victim is charged with nothing, and is paid with a maher (cash, gold, car, ect...) to compensate, then the rapist is minimum charged with 100 lashes and jailed for a year.

NOW FOR THE FUN PUNISHMENT FOR THE RAPIST

if the rapist was holding a weapon, then he truly transgressed and gets even a more severe punishment, like cutting the left hand and the right foot. I think thats fair, and thats the real ruling in Islam.
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Male 1,122
Human rights should apply, not religious right.

Some things are just wrong and making a victim a slave to their attacker no matter what the crime is wrong.

Imagine your a guy that got raped by another guy at gun point, and then was forced to move in with him and cook him dinner by the government, and let him have sex whenever he wanted.

Anyone, religious or not should be able to see that this is wrong, and only outdated religious laws would make this acceptable.
In this case laws which place men above all creatures including women and who put mens rights far above all others. The strong rule the weak still where religious are concerned.

The only line of the bible I truly love: And the meek shall inherit the earth.
As rights equalize women, `nerds`, etc rise with a voice.
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Male 36,539
vv that link? You have to find/type Morocco to get the stats - fyi!

@chicagojay: lolz!

@patchgrabber: luckily "some people" is a tiny number in the USA, compared to those in (for example) Morocco who actually agree with the Court`s decision. Not all the people (of course), but a majority I`d wager.
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Male 36,539
@dm2754 Your ignoance is sickening, please educate yourself or stfu, k-thx!
Morocco 32.2 million people
11,000 Christians
3,000 Jews
32,000,000 Muslims.

Alphabetical order my donkey!

@Draculya: Angilion asked: "when was the last time that verse from Judaism was enforced by a court because of Christianity?"
You responded with a question on an entirely different subject, even though you quoted the question!
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Male 2,031
Only in America. This is what George Bush has brought. If Obama was prez, this would never happen.
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Male 1,397
Here`s a world-beating idea......WHY NOT HAVE MORE RELIGION IN THE WORLD????!!! what could POSSIBLY go wrong?
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Male 5,811
I think where the people who are comparing this to christianity are coming from is not that christians would do something like this, but that when you let ANY religion dominate law-making or the decisions of higher officials, it`s usually a bad thing. You`re not there yet in the US, but if some people had their way it would be.
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Male 3,578
the religions of Morocco (short list alphabetical )
Catholic
Islam
Jews
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Female 1,798
Poor child, my heart goes out to her family :-(

for all you whiners who complain about America, look around you and be thankful you don`t live in a backwards, misogynistic country like Morocco.
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Male 3,578
got love bible laws
Deuteronomy 22
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
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Female 437
xCYBERDYNEx....

CMON>>> Now.., THAT IS NZ..!!!! NOT AUS!!! :(:(:(
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Male 1,404
Somebody give that "judge" a hot cup of Napalm coffee. Morocco, moving socially backwards since 421 A.D. Poor children.
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Male 1,093
This is the true islamic ruling about rape from some of the best scholars around the world centered in saudi: http://islamqa.com/en/ref/72338/rape
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Male 1,093
*sigh* a little more hope in humanity has been lost.
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Male 3,474
Horrible story compounded by rat poison.

@apedrana ~ Stop being so original. You must be a Muslim, eh?
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Male 4,902
@apedrana,
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Male 2,424
He musta been Uuuuuuuuuglay!
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Male 2,143
You know the best thing about muslims? Me Neither.
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Male 144
@Oldollie - Americans are all 1) Ignorant or 2)Fat Ignorants
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Male 15,832
Muslims are all 1) barbarians or 2) cowards who won`t stand up to the barbarians.
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Male 14,775
From the article:

"Last year a woman in Afghanistan, 21-year-old Gulnaz, was jailed for `adultery by force` after she was brutally raped by her husband`s cousin."

I mean, what do you say to that? Words fail me. How do you have a rational conversation with someone who believes that makes sense?
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Male 14,775
"That`s not what he`s saying and you failed to answer the question."

I wasn`t aware there was a question. I definitely asked a question, though and you didn`t answer that.

<i>I forgive you.</i> If you believe in fairies, who can expect you to understand simple logic.
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Male 2,422
Change it to forced to have his bastard child and you get Sharia Santorum`s social policy.
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Male 1,793
this is what happens when you let fundamentalist run things.... the judge should be put in prison and raped...
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Male 115
religion =/= faith

Faith in God is one of the greatest things a person can ever learn. Love one another!

http://www.LittleScroll.com
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Male 36,539
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Light, without Me there is no salvation"
Kinda makes the whole `sacrifice a bull` thing moot, don`t you think?
So obviously, some Torah Laws were replaced by Jesus. Once fulfilled, you don`t need the `old` prophecies anymore except for a history lesson.
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Male 762
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. *("but obviously not ALL of them!")

*Bible annotations provided by 5Cats.
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Male 762
@Angilion

Also, you use the classic, "well how was that translated?" red herring. Seems like every time a Christian is confronted with the immoralities of their bible it is always, "Hebrew translates funny" or "the cultural context is different." Exactly! So why to people turn to the cultural contextual moral teachings of sheep herders from 3000 years ago? If you claim that god is morally infallible then why don`t his teachings jive with what you believe now?

I never quoted any scripture, so I never showed any translation. Even if I take the most liberally translated scripture that replaces "rape" with "and a man talks her into sleeping with him" is it still morally acceptable to you that she is forced to marry that guy?
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Male 2,384
o yea religion ...
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Male 25,416
ok then...
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Male 36,539
@Davymid: How in the world does a Muslim nation imposing Islamic Laws make CHRISTIANS to blame?
Hum?
A central point of Christianity is that Jesus replaces the "old ways" with His sacrifice. Sure Jesus said to follow the laws too, but obviously not ALL of them! So any OT rule which contradicts Jesus`s teachings is void and moot.
Love thy neighbor =/= marry your rapist.
YOU may `equate` all 3 religions, but their followers do NOT equate them. Regardless of @Baalthy`s rantings.

[quote]So we are saying Christians aren`t as bad as Muslims because they don`t take their religion as seriously?[/quote]
That`s not what he`s saying and you failed to answer the question.

Also: God created the light that seems to be 6 billion years old at the same time He created the Universe (from that other thread).
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Male 762
@Angilion

A government doesn`t have to sponsor a religion in order to point out the immoral teachings of a particular religion`s dogma. People fight all the time in the United States about how this is a Christian nation. If you had state sponsored religion in this country I suspect you would see many things like this work their way into our society and law. Western societies tend not to perpetrate the atrocities seen in Islamic governments not due to any merit of Christianity but due to secular law. It is the separation of religion and our law that protects people from things like this. There are still atrocities carried out in the name of Christianity, they just happen not to be state sanctioned.
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Male 14,775
"OK...so when was the last time that verse from Judaism was enforced by a court because of Christianity?"

So we are saying Christians aren`t as bad as Muslims because they don`t take their religion as seriously?

Religitards, all of them.
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Male 12,138
And as usual, it`s the religious Christians bashing the religious Islamists/Jews whatever, for their particular interpretation of bronze-age religious law. Christianity has the exact same verses, as someone pointed out earlier in this thread.

Am I the only one here who sees that the problem is with f*cking religion, period? Stop basing our modern laws and morals on the bronze-age scribblings of middle-eastern goat-herders and we`ll all be better off.

Christians say: "Look at those Muslims! Savages!". Muslims say : "Look at those Christians! Infidels!"

F*ck all that noise, I say: "Look at all those religious f*cking moonbats. It`s 2012 for f*ck sake. Get over it".
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Male 1,196
That is sick
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Male 12,365
[quote]I posted that scripture not to bash Christianity but to preempt any criticisms of Islam by anyone with a religious agenda.[/quote]

OK...so when was the last time that verse from Judaism was enforced by a court because of Christianity?

To put it another way, how many centuries are you saying that Islam is behind Christianity?

Has a court dominated by Christianity ever enforced that verse? Is that translation of that verse right anyway? Translation from ancient Hebrew to modern English in a totally different cultural context is difficult to do accurately even without any agenda biasing the results.
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Male 144
This has less to do with religion, and more to do with how advanced or in this case how far behind certain cultures and countries are. Some cultures are still decades even centuries behind the rest of us, and will interpret religion in such a way. No different to how the Europeans interpreted Christianity during the dark ages. You can say the same thing about this whole Kony baloney by replacing Religion with Tribal differences.
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Male 2,419
@DrProfessor
more than half of your country`s politics is about religion
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Male 762
I posted that scripture not to bash Christianity but to preempt any criticisms of Islam by anyone with a religious agenda. 5cats, you foolishly assume this only applies to Christians, last I checked the Jews happen to know something about your old testament. But I have seen you toss around that defense before, as if the old testament doesn`t apply to Christians. Jesus says to keep the law. He refers specifically to the old testament. Is the God of the old testament different then that of the new? Are you as dismissive of other stories in the old testament such as Adam and Eve, Noah, Moses and the 10 commandments, Lot or the book of Psalms? If you call yourself a Christian you are told to follow keep and follow the old testament by Jesus. And the old testament has passages that are just as immoral as the Islamic rule that is the subject of this post.
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Male 687
i have no comment that wont offend all 3 religious people here
i miss old natural selection...aka...people that are too stupid shouldn`t live
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Male 3,894
Religious law should not trump the freedoms of the land. If you want to participate in the rules and regulations of your religion, then by all means, go ahead. But if you do not want to be subjected to them, then they should have no power over you.
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Male 1,754
Religion strikes again.
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Male 37,902

I`m gonna be childish and say "Nana Nana Boo Boo! Told Ya So! Told Ya So!"

Again, we do NOT have to respect all cultures and religions. Some, like this one, are not worthy of respect. Tolerance.... okay, in their country but not in mine. If they can`t civilize their behavior then they can stay where they are.
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Male 36,539
*sigh*
@unmercyfuldu & @I-Is-Bored: That`s not "Christian Law" at all, it`s Old Testament. Get over your Christian-bashing and say something about Islam, m-kay? You know, the actual religion involved here?

It`s good to read that there are people & groups actively fighting this sort of horror.
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Male 427
poor guy.. marriage was precisely what he was trying to avoid
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Male 2,031
Hey you libs, this is a law enforced by judges, not just something you think someone else would support here in the US. Get your head out of your ass and stop trying to compare any human religion to the crap that those asscocks are into.
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Male 1,122
Wow that would suck, I`m glad I don`t have to marry everyone that I rape.

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Male 2,419
damn it unmercyfuldu... but ya, this is entirely in line with good christian values

28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel`s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
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Female 494
That is one cute baby. :( sad day... Everything is SADNESS!!! I may have overreacted...
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Male 3,445
Meanwhile, Rick Santorum suggest women should accept a child of rape as a "gift from God."
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Female 430
No big deal.
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Male 762
DEUTERONOMY 22:28-29
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Male 19,876
Link: Moroccan Teen Kills Self After Judge Forces Rule [Rate Link] - What was the old rule that the judge enforced? Oh nothing, just that the teen had to marry her rapist. No big deal.
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