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Date: 03/09/12 09:46 AM

21 Responses to Islamism In The Middle East: Why we`e in Lala Land

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    akabane Male 18-29
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    March 9, 2012 at 9:48 am
    Link: Islamism In The Middle East: Why we`e in Lala Land - Prof. Charles Kupchan of Georgetown University talks about Arab politics and its contrast with the West. Is it a threat?
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    Buzzard250 Male 18-29
    342 posts
    March 9, 2012 at 9:56 am
    Well yeah. they are theocracies while we are capitalist pigs big difference. money is our god belief is theirs.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 9, 2012 at 10:12 am
    The irony here is that the Republican candidates continually criticize the Muslim influence in Middle Eastern government, while simultaneously complaining about the "secularization" of American politics.
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    monsterzero Male 40-49
    356 posts
    March 9, 2012 at 10:49 am
    Capitalist pigs huh?I haven`t heard that term since the Soviet socialist regime.Noting your age it makes me wonder if the old time commie agenda actually has infiltrated our school systems.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 9, 2012 at 11:12 am
    Actually, no the issue was a topic of debate within the Ottoman Empire. It`s part of why Turkey is a secular state.
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    Ilikelogic Male 40-49
    550 posts
    March 9, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    Give those people a chance.
    In 20 or 50 years, they will be similar to western countries, with the influence of the church on politics getting less and less. It is just a question of people getting wealthier, getting a higher standard of living and getting better education.
    Some hundreds of years ago, we (not including US, as it was only invaded later), christians were mainly ruled by religion too, as the political leaders were also the religious leaders. This changed when our education and standard of living increased.
    Greetings from Luxemburg
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    March 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm
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    Ilikelogic Male 40-49
    550 posts
    March 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm
    @monsterzero: As the soviet communist regime is gone, the capitalist/communist debate has faded too.
    This doesn`t mean that capitalism has gone. In contrary, it has strengthened during the last twenty years to a level which more and more people are thinking to be unacceptable.
    Calling these people communists may be an easy answer.
    Maybe to easy.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    March 9, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    explain that to Santorum...
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    March 9, 2012 at 4:18 pm
    Ha! Those places are sh*tholes anyway. The way I see it you can either leave them alone (which is preferred) or you can invade and beat the sh*t out of them... more than what the US has done.

    Don`t ask me to pay (through taxes) for war and thus the overthrow of a tyrannical zealot only to have him be replaced by another tyrannical zealot, meanwhile the people are still ignorant and backward.

    Give those people a chance.
    In 20 or 50 years, they will be similar to western countries, with the influence of the church on politics getting less and less.
    Here`s to hoping, but it doesn`t look good at the moment.
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    8jdb28jdb2 Male 30-39
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    March 9, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    yes, they live in a fascist totalitarian society, but change is inevitable and they`re system is outdated. I just feel bad for anyone that has to deal with them.
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    klaxor Male 18-29
    646 posts
    March 9, 2012 at 5:09 pm
    This guy lives in lala land if he thinks that there`s a complete separation between church and state in the U.S.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 9, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Took him 3 minutes 39 seconds to say they`re backward people.
    The only time they have known peace is when it was enforced with a brutal, iron fist. Whether that was the European, American, or their own leaders fist, it`s just as true. Their culture knows nothing else and understands nothing else.

    Stop trying to treat them as equals. They are not. They are primatives who must be dealt with in a primative manner.

    Go ahead and attack me now. I`m still right. How do I know? `Cause the Irani and Iraqi`s in my neighborhood who`ve escaped here told me so. They know their own people better than I do.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    March 9, 2012 at 7:26 pm
    Um, I would argue that many kings and emperors had power only because they aligned themselves with the pope- and if this moron can`t get that simple concept straight, the rest of his thoughts are kaka.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    March 9, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    lol christianity a religion of faith not law?

    "Thou shalt not _____"
    Hey those guys are doing that! Let`s have a religious war about it!
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    March 9, 2012 at 8:50 pm
    Gerry... I lived in Iran in 1978. I speak Farsi fluently.

    Never once have I heard anyone from there refer to themselves as "Irani".

    Most refer to themselves as "Iranian", or more correctly, "Persian".

    If you`re online Gerry, I can introduce you to a group of Persians RIGHT NOW that will tell you that whoever told you that is full of sh*t. From what you posted above, I`d question whether those persons you spoke to are really Persian.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 10, 2012 at 6:08 am

    I called them Irani, yes they refer to themselves as Iranian. Whatever your friends said would not change why my neighbors have said. Perhaps it`s the differance in classes they have. My neighbors are christian refugees who fled so they wouldn`t be killed. That might be part of their perspective right there.
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    weirdooo25 Female 18-29
    5 posts
    March 10, 2012 at 6:34 am
    I live in the Middle East !!
    and I really do not appreciate your saying that I do not have the same rights as you !!
    WE ARE Equals Even if you do not understand our religion !
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    March 10, 2012 at 6:48 am
    Not even the Nazi`s drated with the Pope. They did a little cause they messed up the area, but they left them alone for whatever reason.

    What a nutter.
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    PringleMan Female 13-17
    1356 posts
    March 10, 2012 at 10:00 pm
    He`s right. Islam is different and is a political religion. So much so you`d think it was MADE for the sole purpose of controlling the country politically and economically. The only problem with Islamic politics is that it only works with muslims; and the only people happy within such states are good muslims, and good muslims follow islamic teachings to a perfect T.

    Not happy in an Islamist state?

    You must not be a good muslim.

    The secular islamic states that existed in the middle east between the 40`s and 70`s, before the russian invasion, was really just a joke. Because all good muslims would want to live under islamic law.

    On another note, there`s this lady you white folk love called Ayaan Hirsi Ali. YouTube her. I have yet to see someone seriously challenge her views, but that might be because she is such a good debater.
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    photomstr Male 50-59
    766 posts
    March 11, 2012 at 5:56 am
    leave the middle east to the arabs, the oil is mostly gone and they can have the sand

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