George Zimmerman Police Video

Submitted by: madest 5 years ago in

Hmmmm. No cuts, bruises, blood or grass stains. Wonder what his supporters will say now now...
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Male 25,417
Is this ever going to end
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Male 18
@5cats if 6 white dudes beat up a black guy would there still be an investigation into weather it`s a hate crime? Or would it automatically be amused as one? Pretty sure it wouldn`t take the FBI to figure that one out.
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Male 38
cool motorcycles!
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Male 764
Yeah I read that I`m sure they believe that too just as much as Zimmerman`s father believes his sons story blood is blood you`re going to support your family unless you know for sure.

"I don`t think they are racist" an honest opinion and sure racist people are probably kind hearted at times racism is letting race effect your judgement so it`s possible, does it mean because she knows them to be kind hearted in her experiences with them that it`s impossible that they are racists NO! of course not.

Is she or any of the commentors claiming that`s impossible they they committed this hate crime no, she only suggested that that she does not know them to start trouble and there was more said led to the assault then what occurred not claiming that it`s impossible that it was a hate crime.

In short being a character witness != a witness she does not know or claim to know what exactly occurred and nor does she speculate on behalf of the accused.
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Male 18
@5cats if 6 white dudes beat up a black guy would there still be an investigation into weather it`s a hate crime? Or would it automatically be amused as one? Pretty sure it wouldn`t take the FBI to figure that one out.
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Male 40,277
@mischeif: Did you read "Precious Smith`s" comment? She`s related to 3 of the accused.

"We are very open-hearted people" lolz!
"We are not going to mess with anybody unless they mess with us"
Yeah that`s likely, a lone white guy visciously attacks 6 black men, outside of Applebees. Happens every day!
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Male 764
@5Cats

Headlined "Charged", we know who they are and what they did. Where`s the 5 pages of justification and people coming around to say how great they are?

Nope all I see is racist comment after racist comment. Thanks for the post.
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Male 599
@Satkela
Well they`re usually supposed to. It depends on where you are and the situation though. In this situation, they did. It`s in the report.
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Female 584
@photomstr: Tell that to my cousin Stevie that they hauled off to jail after they broke up a fight between him and three other guys. He was arrested and booked bloody and didn`t get cleaned up until he got to his cell.
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Male 766
Morons . . . that video is too poor to see anything. No COP wants BLOOD in his squad car. IF he was BLEEDING they would have offered 1st aid BEFORE he got in the car. I suffer half a dozen nosebleeds a year and I almost never soil my shirts. INCONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE!

Celery - Nature`s Toothbrush
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Male 40,277
6 Charged in Beating of NC Man
Their names? Teryn, Tray, Justin, Derick, Kino and Montrez.
Now try to guess the race of the victem, and what was shouted while he was being beaten...
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Male 1,239
[quote]Zimmerman is accusing Martin of attacking him. This is the accusation that needs proven to be true. We already know for a fact that Zimmerman killed him. If he doesn`t prove his accusation that Martin attacked him to be true then he is a murderer.[/quote]

It doesn`t work exactly that way but yes, that is what is going on right now. They are collecting evidence, piecing it together and looking for the truth in the mess so they know what course of action to pursue. The fact that they took him in and let him go indicates that they didn`t have enough to show he was lying and as of yet don`t feel they have enough on him to bring him in. Some are claiming various things like they are covering for him, or because they are racist but once again accusations lacking proof are just accusations.
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Male 40,277
@ivran, Obviously @McGovinator had his shirt tucked into his pants! Once @madest saw that it was banhammer time!
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Male 599
@McGovinator
Since when is mocking political figures a bannable offense?
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Male 40,277
[quote]Zimmerman is accusing Martin of attacking him.[/quote]
That`s true @Paddy, but HOW exactly can he prove it? Evidence & witnesses, correct? How can anyone DIS-prove his story either? It`s not like he`s claiming the Loch Ness Monster killed Martin...

That`s harsh @McGovinator! It even says "nigga" not the offensive word! So what if it mocks Obama, he should learn to keep quite on police matters. Remember the "Beer Summit" FFS!
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Male 1,678
"Paddy, the burden of proof is on the accusers not the accused."

Zimmerman is accusing Martin of attacking him. This is the accusation that needs proven to be true. We already know for a fact that Zimmerman killed him. If he doesn`t prove his accusation that Martin attacked him to be true then he is a murderer.
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Male 1,239
Paddy, the burden of proof is on the accusers not the accused. Also, it wouldn`t be inexplicable. Because he was following him, possibly being aggressive. None of those things, if true, justify attacking someone if that is even what actually happened. It`s too soon to see the bigger picture and know who`s truth is, in fact, truth.
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Male 599
@paddy215
No it isn`t. They don`t reveal that stuff until the trial.
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Male 40,277
@McGovinator: You got banhammered for one of those you put up? Or was there another one that was deleted?
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Male 1,678
If the police have evidence that proves Trayvon Martin inexplicably decided to try to beat George Zimmerman to death unprovoked then now would be the time to reveal it.
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Male 25
I`d put it up for IAB to judge but Madest might abuse his power yet again.....
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Male 25
I arise a new being thanks to me computer hacking skillz!!

Now tell me a black dude wearing a shirt saying pussy ass cracker is site worthy but if I put up a picture and the one I got banned for a link to the picture the same one with a direct quote from obama with a picture of Trayvon and his twitter name is a bannable offense??
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Male 1,239
Actually, compressing all the points and counter points, (if you can call them that in your case) that is very close to what you said. My comprehension is fine, your grip on reality is skewed.
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Male 40,277
@PinkRhoid has encapsulated your "arguement" to a T! Except he left out the part where anyone who doesn`t agree with @madest is a retard, bigot, idiot, Canadian or worse!

And the shirt was tucked in! TUCKED... IN!
We all know what THAT means, don`t we whities?
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Male 40,277
@madest: are you claiming you haven`t called Zimmerman a "murderer"? Really dude? Really?
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Male 10,338
Well all I saw in the video, was that Zimmerman had a big assed ABCNEWS on his head.

When the back of his head comes in to view, you can clearly see a wound, but that`s not what we are focusing on, right? I mean, he couldn`t possibly have been cleaned up by paramedics on the scene at all.
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Male 7,378
That`s not at all what I said. Indeed your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
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Male 1,239
Madest would have us believe that because a black person was shot by someone who wasn`t black that it is a hate crime and that as long as some of the evidence kind of makes it look like he may be at fault that trials and evidence aren`t needed to further prove a man a murderer in such a situation. All while claiming to be a free thinking liberal. Bravo.
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Male 18
Z does look rested but did you expect him to be out of breath? It takes the police 20-30min to write a speeding ticket I can`t imagine how long he was on the scene.
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Male 7,378
Guy looks awfully well rested and clean to have been in a struggle. Just saying. I know it`s not proof but this tape directly contradicts what we`ve been told from the police department and will be fodder for the coming trial. You don`t need to be a lawyer to recognise that.
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Male 1,239
And don`t get started on my intellect, it`s tragic after the display you`ve made of yourself today for you to call my intellect into question. Say you disagree, fine, but please don`t pretend you are intellectually superior to anyone.
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Male 40,277
[quote]Trig Palin would be impressed with your intellect.[/quote]
And the @madest insult machine is ON!
Lookie: He managed to call you: retarded, AND Republican, in the same insult!

Comitting murder is the definition of murderer, don`t forget! But the REAL way to tell if he`s guilty? Is the shirt tucked in!

I`ve said that 3, 4 times know? Oh @madest-baby, I`m just warming up! You can expect heavy doses of shirt related comments for the next... decade? Perhpas longer.

To quote Johnnie Cochran: If the shirt`s tucked IN, he`s guilty as SIN!
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Male 1,239
[quote]Yeah I know. 5Cats said that 3 times. Your originality is lacking PinkRhoid. Took a Canadian with 5 cats to say it twice before you stole it as some badge to wear. Trig Palin would be impressed with your intellect.[/quote]

Actually he didn`t quite say the same thing but whatever. I point out several issues with your logic and with your condemning people despite the conclusion of investigation and the release of evidence not to mention pointing out that white supremists don`t lie to protect Latinos making your race war seem unlikely and all you can do is home in on my saying something similar to someone else? Good show, you`ve got me on the ropes now!
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Male 10,338
Scumbag Madest.


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Male 1,239

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Male 7,378
Yeah I know. 5Cats said that 3 times. Your originality is lacking PinkRhoid. Took a Canadian with 5 cats to say it twice before you stole it as some badge to wear. Trig Palin would be impressed with your intellect.
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Male 18
@wake_n_bake The last thing you want to do with a weapon on you is fight someone. The obvious reason being that if you lose the fight your gun could be taken away. But lets say you don`t pull your gun but you win the fight with your fists or whatever guess what happens? The police show up and could possibly/probably be charged with assault with a deadly weapon. That`s a felony and I bet some jail time.

@ madest It seems like living in DC with all those politicians has brainwashed you a little. You pick a side and never look back.
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Male 1,239
As a sidenote saying his shirt being tucked in is evidence he had never been in an altercation is about the same as saying that wearing a hoodie means you must have been up to no good.
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Male 40,277
[quote]Argue with the dictionary AJ. I`m talking English.[/quote]
LOLZ! Oh the funneh! It hurts to laugh this much!

[quote]He murdered a man that`s sort of the definition of murderer.[/quote]

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Male 1,239
[quote]He murdered a man that`s sort of the definition of murderer. Whether or not he becomes a convicted murderer is up to justice not you.[/quote]

He`s killed a man, that`s sort of not the same as murder. You must have evidence to show murder. Your logic isn`t even guilty until proven innocent, it`s guilty because I say so. You clearly have no grasp on reality how and why our justice system works the way it does. You simply push to what you think no matter what the reality may be. A real discourse can`t be had with this mentality.
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Male 10,338
From Dictionary.com:

mur·der
   [mur-der] Show IPA
noun
1.
Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

I win.
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Male 40,277
[quote]He (killed) a man that`s sort of the definition of murderer. [/quote]
Is this what yo intended to say @madest? Because what you actually said was... redundant? Oh, what`s that word YOU love to call others? Retarded! That`s it.

[quote]Whether or not he becomes a convicted murderer is up to justice not you.[/quote]
He says, after deciding Z is guilty of murder while the "justice system" said he isn`t. Irony? Oh what`s the word @madest uses so often...

Plus, his shirt was tucked in! What more evidence is required, he`s guilty!

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Male 7,378
Argue with the dictionary AJ. I`m talking English.
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Male 10,338
Madest:

Shooting a guy and him dying as a result is not murder in and of itself. It is shooting a guy and the guy dying.

Only until he is convicted of murdering the guy, is it considered a murder.

It could also be called: Self-Defense. Manslaughter. Blind Rage. etc etc.

Putting legal term onto an action before any legalities have taken place is not productive, and it makes you look as mindless as the media led sheep that are freaking out about this.

Zimmerman shot a guy, period. The rest will work itself out soon enough.
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Male 7,378
He murdered a man that`s sort of the definition of murderer. Whether or not he becomes a convicted murderer is up to justice not you.
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Male 599
@DasUberPoop The pursuit was before the fight.
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Male 1,239
I`m not sure someone who doesn`t see what`s the matter with condemning people as murderers without a complete investigation or someone who calls others racist for disagreeing with them has any right to interpret justice much less injustice. You seem to be the only one solely focused on skin color.
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Male 40,277
[quote]Consider if Trayvon had the gun and Zimmerman the neighborhood watch was dead[/quote]
It MIGHT make the news, because Z is Latino, but national outrage? Nope, zero point zero percent chance of that.
And you can put any skin colour on Z OR M and it wouldn`t change the facts, which is what I use to figure out things.

[quote] do you think Trayvon would be free today?[/quote]
Well, that would depend if his shirt was tucked in or not, eh @madest?
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Male 10,338
"Consider if Trayvon had the gun and Zimmerman the neighborhood watch was dead, do you think Trayvon would be free today?"

Well no, because he isn`t old enough to have a conceal and carry permit...

But, to give you benefit of the doubt, if he DID have a gun, and the proper permits, and he shot Zimmerman in self defense, then no. He would not be in custody, just as Zimmerman is not.

In before you say "Well that`s just wrong. Martin is black therefore they would throw the book at him!", which is racist in and of itself.

Racist.
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Male 1,239
I`m quite aware it exists. I`m also quite aware of people using race as a tool or excuse to further agendas. I adore how you avoided answering my questions as to why a white racist would lie to defend a Latino in a minority on minority incident while simultaneously calling me a racist when you don`t even know my race and I have not declared one way or another whether either of them are guilty or innocent of anything. The only thing I`m pushing is that people should keep an open mind, allow the investigation to conclude, and look at the whole picture before they condemn anyone. Your logic that wanting evidence of racism is racist is infallible!
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Male 7,378
Or are you racist for not accepting the fact that racism exists? It may not be white hooded, cross burning racism but it`s more subtle. Like releasing to the public the misdeeds of Trayvon while defending Zimmerman. Consider if Trayvon had the gun and Zimmerman the neighborhood watch was dead, do you think Trayvon would be free today? Perhaps the deniers need to look at themselves before telling everybody else they`re overreacting.
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Male 1,239
LOL, so it`s a racist conspiracy now? Is it common for racist white people to lie on behalf of a minority or did you just forget Zimmerman is latino when you threw that out there. I guess the new accepted theory is that white people hate latinos less than blacks? How exactly do you know the cops are racist, do they have a history of race related altercations or are you just wildly condemning anyone with whatever makes it convenient to validate your take on the situation?

Whatever it`s a result of it`s still the wrong mentality. Here you are trying to justify it when the man your condemning`s main alleged crime is that of vigilantism. Hypocrites much?

If they conclude the investigation and decide not to go to trial the evidence as to why will be released. If it becomes obvious then that they drated due process by all means get pissed. Until then how the jolly drat can you honestly argue that he`s guilty without trial?
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Male 40,277
ic @madest, a BLACK police officer would have handled the case completely differently! Z would surely have ben charged had a`brother` been on the case. And BLACK politicains, by definition, never pass "silly" laws!

How utterly un-bigoted of you!

I mean, Zimmerman has his shirt tucked in for crying out loud! Tucked in! What more evidence does anyone need?
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Male 7,378
The "lynch mob" mentality" is a result of this silly law that seemingly ends at the discretion of white police officers and white government officials. We would not know Trayvon Martins name had they arrested his murderer at the scene and allowed justice to do it`s thing. His innocence or guilt will now be decided due to the outrage of non-involved citizens of the nation. In fact if Zimmerman were arrested and found not guilty due to the stand your ground law we again would not know about it or care.
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Male 40,277
[quote]Zimmerman has his shirt tucked in for crying out loud[/quote]
You got there @madest! It is PHYSICALLY impossible for a man to tuck his shirt in after being in a struggle. Therefor: he`s guilty! I can`t believe I overlooked the "shirt tucked in" evidence.

He says "f-ing cops" that`s what I honestly hear.

[quote]@Gerry he admitted to killing him, that is evidence enough for an arrest.[/quote]
@grindinblade: The whole purpose of "casatle laws" is to allow someone to defend themself and NOT face arrest for it. IF it`s a case where "self defense" is flimsy, one could still be arrested, like the guy in the skateboard incident was.
Thx for the map! Looks accurate. Also shows that Z never "chased him in his truck" as some have claimed...

@Altaru: Sorry I used poor language with you last night, my insults were rude & I apologise.
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Male 1,239
It doesn`t look good for Zimmerman as far as following the kid. That may take away the protection of "stand your ground" unless there is something we don`t know yet. Still, being followed a block or two and even verbally abused is not justification on its own to physically attack someone if that`s what Treyvon did. I really don`t see what`s so unreasonable about waiting for all the info at one time in one bowl before making conclusions. I understand that`s tough on the families but it`s necessary. He`s pretty much a dead man walking either way now. I don`t see how he will get a fair trial even if he had a mountain of evidence in his favor because of leaders and the media acting in ways that all but declare Treyvon innocent or Zimmerman guilty. If he`s guilty I hope justice is served but this poo is leaving a lynch mob taste in my mouth. A drating bounty, shirts condemning him before even a trial.
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Male 40,277
[quote]- What was wrong with what ExtraCredit said?[/quote]
@LillianDulci: It was all meaningless conjecture, that`s what. Followed by:
"His verbal story without physical evidence is going to be a very weak defense."
Which is just laughable! Count the witnesses who SAW the blood, 5? 7? 10? That`s a pretty strong defense, eh?

I insulted him because I get grumpy reading the same bull-poo over and over. It`s been discounted every time, but here it comes again!
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Male 3,482
[quote]@Altaru:
Huh? What?
Man, I`ll reply in the morning AFTER I`ve had some coffee...[/quote]
If you still can`t figure it out, I`ll summarize:

You`re a petty, biased jackass with a talent for selective comprehension.
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Male 663
I`m sure this has already been said, but just because you get into a fight and get punched a few times does not give you the right to shoot someone dead. If they`re gouging out your eyes or something, that`s a different story.

Put in Martins shoes, I would have been upset if some guy just kept following me around and confronted me. You don`t know if they`re going to rob you or kidnap you, and I`d think you have a right to defend yourself.

When it comes down to it, the whole incident would not have happened if Zimmerman hadn`t confronted Martin.

Should he be charged with homicide? Maybe not. But he should at least be charged with manslaughter. MHO
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Male 17,512
For those that claim they can`t see the injury to Zimmerman`s head.

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Male 17,512
madest: You actually don`t `know` sh|t, you`re repeating rumor and suspicion that you were told by the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, MSNBC, HuffPo and other liberal sources to which you cling like a sock just out of the dryer.

I`m not on welfare, you lying piece of puss, I`m disabled and on social security that I paid into my entire working life. It`s not a hand-out if you paid into the system.

Now go back under your bridge, you`ve trolled enough today.
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Male 209
Pursuit is not defense. These two things are mutually exclusive, and cannot coincide. No further discussion is necessary.
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Male 234
It doesn`t matter what he said on the 911 tape, it isn`t important. The map I posted earlier shows where Zimmerman`s car was parked, where Trayvon was killed, and where his dad`s house was.

Looking at that it is clear that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon when he was trying to get home. As the aggressor Zimmerman isn`t protected by the stand your ground law, according to legislators that signed the law including former governor Jeb Bush.
For those claiming there is no evidence against Zimerman, yet insist he was attacked as he said I don`t see your evidence (other than the `anonymous` fox witness whose account contradicts other public witnesses). Zimmerman and his father have already been caught in lies surrounding this case, so I am not so quick to believe everything he says.

Many also claimed the video is inconclusive, but is pretty clear that there is no substantial injury from "having his head smashed into the pavement".
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Male 234
@Gerry he admitted to killing him, that is evidence enough for an arrest. Self defense is an argument to be had in trial, not before an arrest is made.
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Male 1,239
Madest - all the evidence hasn`t been released. What has been is mostly trickle through the proven unreliable media. We do not have full disclosure yet. You have one pooty video. I`ll take a medical professionals report and an x-ray over a blurry video. The thing is the reports haven`t been released yet. You are stating clearly that you are making a final judgement, now, based on partial pieces of evidence. You`re quite right, in the video there doesn`t appear to be much wrong with him. Doesn`t mean an x-ray won`t show a recently broken nose etc. You are repetitively confirming that you "know" what happened based on flimsy sparse evidence and that you are willing to condemn him without at least waiting to see what other evidence has been collected. He may very well be guilty but to state knowledge of his guilt before you have all the pieces is sad, short-sighted, unjust, and I hope you are never let through to sit on a case like this where a persons life rests in your hands.
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Male 10,338
"Zimmerman called the police and tracked the boy even though the police suggested he not."

911 Dispatchers are not police.

We know that Zimmerman had a problem with "F-ing coons".

He said "punks" not "coons"

"We know that this video proves all those claims of a struggle and broken nose and bleeding from the back of the head were false. Zimmerman has his shirt tucked in for crying out loud and I`m sorry his clothing doesn`t appear wet to me at all."

Of course it doesn`t.

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Male 7,378
Here are the facts: Zimmerman saw a black man in a hoodie and found that suspicious. Zimmerman called the police and tracked the boy even though the police suggested he not. We know that Zimmerman had a problem with "F-ing coons" and we know that Trayvon knew he was being stalked. We know Trayvon was killed and Zimmerman was the shooter. We know Zimmerman claimed self defense and the police said he had a broken nose and was bleeding from the back of his head. There was mention of a struggle and grass stains on Zimmerman`s back.
We know that this video proves all those claims of a struggle and broken nose and bleeding from the back of the head were false. Zimmerman has his shirt tucked in for crying out loud and I`m sorry his clothing doesn`t appear wet to me at all.
That`s what we know. I am on the side of the victim. Anyone is free to walk around this country with Skittles in their hand. Killing people you perceive suspicious is not justifiable in my America.
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Male 1,239
[quote]I do think it should be left up to the justice system.[/quote]

Mostly, I certainly think we need transparency once the case is complete and as is allowable without hurting the case before completion. We as the public should keep our eye on it as the justice system is very often biased as well and it is our duty to make sure it happens as little as possible. Sadly, I don`t think the human condition thusfar allows us to keep a close eye on anything subjectively without throwing our lot to one side or another thus distorting our intake of new evidence. I don`t support blind trust but we need to give it a chance otherwise why do we have a system at all?
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Male 10,338
Agreed PinkRhoid. I think we shout out against the other side, because it is being glossed over in the nationwide media, and we want it to be heard.

I do think it should be left up to the justice system.
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Male 1,239
[quote]The point, madest, is that THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED![/quote]

Wrong, the point is we aren`t sure what happened and folks are jumping to one side or the other and arguing as if it`s decided when it isn`t yet completely clear one way or the other. If it were up to you guys we`d just make snap decisions based on leaked media tidbits many of which are already shown to be biased.
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Male 1,239
[quote]I think when you chase somebody down and kill them you become a murderer. I could be wrong but whatever.[/quote]
That may very well have been what happened too, and in that case he is. Unfortunately, we don`t know what all happened for sure. If he simply asked the kid what he was doing and the kid really attacked him, and he really did try to leave and call for help before he shot then no it isn`t murder. Until all the evidence is collected and gone over why should one story be taken as more legit than another? Your comment is further evidence of your own bias and inability to see outside your own vision of what happened. People like that are removed from juries because they have no business judging anyone. Let the system do it`s job, if it does wrong contrary to the FULL evidence then it becomes our job to fix it. Until then you are using single man judge and jury tactics based on limited evidence to condemn him. Ironic because that`s what you are condemning him for doing.
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Male 10,338
Just as long as you know lol.
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Male 7,378
Right AJ, You were there I forgot.
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Male 10,338
"I think when you chase somebody down and kill them you become a murderer. I could be wrong but whatever."

The point, madest, is that THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED!

Baaah baaah media sheep.
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Male 146
Why people are afraid of thugs in hoodies...Click thru the pics to the right

Man shot following robbers out of store
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Male 7,378
I think when you chase somebody down and kill them you become a murderer. I could be wrong but whatever.
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Male 1,239
I admit I dislike most of CJ`s posts because he seems awful far to one side of every issue and a lot of it doesn`t add up to me.
Madest represents the opposite side but just as off the deep end. For all his rhetoric about tolerance he refers to a man not yet convicted as a murderer, talks about all republicans as if simply being so makes you a hate monger and evil.
Posting pics and twitter names is legit in pointing out the medias initial bias but saying "gold teef an investment for the future" is obviously in poor taste and definitely suggests some cultural intolerance. While I don`t understand the desire for that kind of stuff I fail to see how gold grills = thug or criminal. Gang tats, ya. Grills are jewelry to them.
In the end Madest and McGovern are both talking point junkies. The same aggressive, insulting attackers on two sides of the same coin. At least CJ typically makes his posts well typed and non assaulting.
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Male 1,008
worst mod ever
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Male 10,338
*twit
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Male 10,338
None of us have found a hero in a murderer you wit.

We see the blatant media bias, and are disgusted by it.

They are hiding facts for ratings, and it`s deplorable.

Someone has to speak out. This isn`t the USSR (as much as you`d like it to be.)
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Male 10,338
@McGovern: Madest makes a habit of deleting whatever he wants, and blaming racism.

Don`t let it bother you. If ha bans you, contact one of the other mods, or go to the chat. They will all comment on how stupid he is, then reinstate you.
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Male 7,378
CJ, Is the typical republican. They`ve found a hero in a murderer and they`ll stop at nothing to besmirch the victim. But these people (including CJ) are insane. They claim to want a vigilante society but they would cry like a bitch if it was their child that was murdered.
CJ is a teabagger on welfare. A guy who votes against his own interest. He makes excuses for the government hand-outs he receives and mocks others who receive the same. There is no reasoning with that type of person. They are simply dumb.
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Male 1,008
lol, racist pics and gifs are bad, but you can say whatever you want. sounds like a bad case of agreewithmeoribanyouitis. madest is a mod? really?
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Male 1,008
"" i will be totally amazed if there isn`t any rioting over this,"

Why? We riot after sporting events."

so it would be amazing if there were no riots right? some people don`t care what the argument is as long as they get to argue. you go mimi`s now.
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Gold teef an investment for the future.....
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Male 5,811
@kitteh9lives: Back spatter would likely be minimal, and even if there was back spatter, it would be a mist, i.e. the droplets would be around a millimetre in size. The forensics people would likely check for internal muzzle staining, because at close range the cooling of the explosive gases can cause blood to actually be sucked into the gun barrel.

In short, unless Zimmerman were to stay underneath Martin (unlikely) after the shot, there wouldn`t necessarily be much if any blood on him.
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Male 114
Aren`t all acts of violence from one human to another considered "hate" crimes no matter what the race? Our society is getting ridiculous!
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@madest

...annnnd which pic is that?? Oh the one quoting your messiah and showing a pic of Travons gold teef and actual Twitter account name? Truth hurts huh? How does a 17 year old get a partial gold grill that`s a sign of quite an upstanding citizen. I wonder if he got those from melting down the gold jewlery he stole?
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Male 3,369
" i will be totally amazed if there isn`t any rioting over this,"

Why? We riot after sporting events.
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grindinblade [quote]"he should be arrested and let evidence determine his guilt" [/quote]
You have to have evidence before you arrest someone. If you start arresting people without evidence it`s just "Round up the usual suspects" isn`t it.

The fact he has not been arrested should tell you something.
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Male 234
@CrakrJak How is that relevant at all? At 17 you never gave a friend the finger? More important look at the size of the kid, his arms are skinny as hell. There is no way he would be able to punch Zimmerman and knock him down with one hit as he claims.
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Male 17,512
Btw, they`ve found another of Tray`s twitter accounts, under the name “T33ZY TAUGHT M3,”.

On that account he sent a message of Plzz shoot da #mf dat lied 2 u! in December of 2010.

The photo he used.

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2) Zimmerman`s dad is a retired judge, and police originally wanted to arrest him but the local prosecutor said don`t.

3) The one witness who backs Zimmerman`s story is anonymous so we don`t know how much validity holds. Other witnesses (white) said they came upon the scene seeing Zimmerman on top of trayvon`s body.

4) Zimmerman`s story says he was attacked and called for help, then shot Trayvon from under him. 911 calls do depict someone yelling for help, but sound more like a child than the voice in Zimmerman`s 911 call.

5) During the fight Zimmerman reached for his gun and shot Trayvon. Yet he shows no signs of a fight nor blood from the gun splatter.

In any case, to me he should be arrested and let evidence determine his guilt. We still need to see ballistics, if Trayvon had any other injuries, and any other information in court not in the media.
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Male 7,378
McGovern, No racist gifs or pics. You`ve been warned.
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Male 1,239
When this case moves forward one way or the other more evidence will be made public. Until then anyone who says one way or the other who is guilty or not guilty is a biased fool. The only definitive evidence of anything I`ve seen so far is that the early media reports were heavily biased. Why is everyone so eager to condemn either one of them and why does it feel like a typical race war issue pushed by poverty pimps like jackson and sharpton despite both men being minorities.
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Male 234
So the video is to low resolution to see if there is or is not Trayvon`s blood from Zimerman shooting from the bottom, but it is clear enough to see a cut on the back of his head? (I can`t see the cut). Calling BS.

A few things so far that we know.
1). Zimmerman`s dad originally said Zimmerman did not pursue Trayvon but got out to check an address when he was attacked. We know that this is a lie from the 911 call that was released, as well as the police report and google maps that give us the location.
police report
Map.
Now I concede that the maps depiction of the paths may not be accurate but it shows the location of the attack and his dad`s
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Male 17,512
kitteh9lives: That depends on where the person was shot and what they were wearing at the time.

I can tell you this though, people don`t just explode with blood when shot, like in the movies. Unless they are shot in the head and then that gets really messy, as in what happened to JFK.
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Male 1,008
@aj i will be totally amazed if there isn`t any rioting over this, still i hope to be amazed though
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Male 10,338
...and that`s when the riots begin.
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Male 10,338
I`m just saying that the Duke Lacrosse case was a case of media created guilt.

This case is as well. They just won`t report the facts. When the ratings start to dip on Nancy Grace though, they will release the "BOMBSHELL DISCOVERY!"
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Male 1,239
[quote]i hope they hang this son of a bitch,or rather shoot out his knee caps, tie off his arms and sever each of his fingers one by one in sections before beating him until all off his ribs are broken,put out an entire carton cigarettes on his face and finish the job by dragggin him behind a vehicle until there is nothing left.[/quote]
So you want to be more of a barbaric animal than you perceive him to be? Fix violence with violence! Chump.
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Male 3,369
@AJ: McGovern seems to be making my point for me quite nicely.
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Male 10,338
Really JT? Less that I`d expect from you....
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Male 1,008
"Zimmerman will get what he deserves. More than likely he will be convicted of murder perhaps plea down to manslaughter. He will do lots of time and end up owing the Martin family all of his earnings for the rest of his life."

you, al sharpton, jesse jackson and the new black panthers sure hope so, no matter what the facts are.
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[quote]He is wet on the back[/quote]



He`s a hispanic jew cracka ass cracka american!!
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Male 3,369
"Duke Lacrosse case. Never forget. "

Ah, I get it now. revenge.
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Female 2,674
5Cats: "And BTW: Thanks for all the times you supported ME while I was being abused... or not! "

I have a hard time "supporting" people who I know fling insults a lot themselves. But if you`re accusing me of being biased, I have called out someone else for insulting CJ (I believe it was CJ, but at the very least it was someone I disagreed with) even though I agreed with that person`s actual arguments. I will admit I`m biased in the sense that if I want to hear an actual reply to someone and the only reply they got was an insult, then I`m more likely to call someone out for it. That can go for any side though...
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Male 10,338
"It`s been a month. The lack of evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman is there, we would`ve seen it by now. The media would`ve put out the evidence of Zimmerman being in a scuffle by now. The media isn`t as twisted as some of you here would like to claim. If there was evidence of it, it would be somewhere but it`s not."

Actually, it`s been a month. If there were evidence that Martin was wrongfully shot, Zimmerman would be arrested by now. The media IS as twisted as we think. If Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson have their panties in a wad, they will distort the truth as long as they can to gain ratings.

Duke Lacrosse case. Never forget.
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Male 10,338
"and actively sought out trouble carrying a loaded gun. He therefore has no right to claim self defence"

How do you defend yourself with an unloaded gun?
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Male 955
It`s been a month. The lack of evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman is there, we would`ve seen it by now. The media would`ve put out the evidence of Zimmerman being in a scuffle by now. The media isn`t as twisted as some of you here would like to claim. If there was evidence of it, it would be somewhere but it`s not.
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Male 1,008
"I`ve gotten out of worse... And won worse, for that matter."

this is called projecting, just because you have mad ninja skills, doesn`t mean everyone does, and just because you would show no fear and think rationally with someone on top of you punching you in the face, doesn`t mean every one would or should even be expected to. you say z "chased" m. you are equating following to chasing, and z`s statement says he lost m and was on his way back to the truck when m confronted z for following him. Obviously you would have handled this situation much better than z did because you are no "asshat". Also I don`t think anyone here is arguing FOR z they are arguing AGAINST convicting this guy without a trial.

admittedly, my scenario is simply based on what info z and the witnesses provided and not some otherworldly ability to know exactly what happened in a situation i was not involved in.

perhaps you could clear up the JFK shooting with
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Male 2,552
[sarcasm]
Because the video quality is so awesome so as to see details like that from this angle/distance...
[/sarcasm]
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Female 8,043
A question, how far away does a person have to be from someone they shoot not to get a single drop of blood spatter from the victim on them?

If Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman punching him and went for his gun in the scuffle (as Z states) wouldn`t Martin have been in very close range when shot? Close enough for spatter?
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Male 24
Well, I`ve enjoyed reading these.
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Male 427
"Even if the kid did hit him, it doesn`t change the fact that Zimmerman aproached him, not the other way around."
Approaching someone is not a crime. Even insulting them is not a crime. Physical violence, however, is.
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Male 1,471
He is wet on the back, but i don`t see anything wrong with his nose..

Anyway, none of that matters the slightest bit. He ignored the instructions of emergency services and actively sought out trouble carrying a loaded gun. He therefore has no right to claim self defence imo.. Even if the kid did hit him, it doesn`t change the fact that Zimmerman aproached him, not the other way around.
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Male 75
i hope they hang this son of a bitch,or rather shoot out his knee caps, tie off his arms and sever each of his fingers one by one in sections before beating him until all off his ribs are broken,put out an entire carton cigarettes on his face and finish the job by dragggin him behind a vehicle until there is nothing left.
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Male 87
I can clearly see some darn edges on his nose when heis facing right. then later as he walks away you can tell the back of his jacket is a darker wet color.
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Male 7,378
Zimmerman will get what he deserves. More than likely he will be convicted of murder perhaps plea down to manslaughter. He will do lots of time and end up owing the Martin family all of his earnings for the rest of his life.
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@Altaru:
Huh? What?
Man, I`ll reply in the morning AFTER I`ve had some coffee...
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Male 3,482
5Cats, for all your criticism of the MSM, I think you would do VERY well in that business.

You have a talent for taking things out of context, ignoring what`s actually being said and making it out to say what you want it to, and then reposting it how you want others to read it.

Of course, you`ve had at least 40 years to study and perfect the art of trolling, so I guess I shouldn`t be surprised.

Problem is, I already have Ollie as my cannon-fodder, and he`s much more entertaining than you. So, you`re SOL and JWF, I`m not gonna bite anymore.
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[quote]IF (and only if) you think Zimmerman shot this teen `on sight" then you obviously are deluded.[/quote]
Sorry, you said that, what exactly is your problem with this statement?

[quote]the second someone glares at them wrong is a good time to start shooting[/quote]
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Male 40,277
K @Altaru it`s a fine point but if you didn`t say Z is a"murderer" that`s OK.

[quote]he likes to one-sidedly scream into my ear[/quote]
Um, I`d suggest getting a new friend. Me for example! I rarely scream unless consentual sex is involved!

[quote]I say "we should try harder to keep deadly objects out of the hands of idiots"[/quote]
Agreed on the idea, but the actual execution? THAT is a hard row to hoe...
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Male 3,482
[quote]IF (and only if) you think Zimmerman shot this teen `on sight" then you obviously are deluded.[/quote]
*facepalm*

*facepalm*
*facepalm*
*facepalm*

And for good measure...

*facepalm*

Oh, and let`s not forget this one...




I`m done here. You can`t have a legitimate debate with someone who has selective hearing. Or, reading, I guess.
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[quote]But id he a "murderer?" Not half hardly.[/quote]
I DARE you to show me ONCE where I have called Zimmerman a "murderer." You can`t, because all along I`ve thought the MOST he could be convicted of would be manslaughter.

You`re trying to twist my words and make what I say fit your preconceived notions, and you`re failing.

You remind me a lot of a friend of mine that likes to argue with me about subjects like this all the time.

Or, I should say, he likes to one-sidedly scream into my ear about how everything I say is some socialistic propaganda meant to destroy America and establish a Stalinistic regime of pure conformity every time the subject comes up.

I say "we should try harder to keep deadly objects out of the hands of idiots," he takes it to mean "NO GUNS, EVER, WE MUST BOW DOWN TO OUR BENEVOLENT GOVERNMENT OVERLORDS!"
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Male 40,277
[quote]the second someone glares at them wrong is a good time to start shooting.[/quote]
Um, @Altaru? I do have respect for you and you opinion, or I wouldn`t bother posting, eh?
IF (and only if) you think Zimmerman shot this teen `on sight" then you obviously are deluded. Witnesses, forensic evidence? Both say that is NOT the case, ok?
What are you suggesting happened that night?
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So sorry, @Altaru: the two "cases" are NOT legally related!
No one needs to "prove" anything against Mr Martin, it is Mr Zimmerman who`s life is on the line here.
While one may be offered for evidene against the other, the CHARGES must be based on facts, ok?
I mean:
I don`t care what Mr Martin did that night.
Did Mr Zimmerman break the law? THAT is the only question here.
I could well be that he did! I`m not saying he didn`t make mistakes!
But is he a "murderer?" Not half hardly.
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Male 3,482
[quote]If I propose a "theory" and YOU say "it was this way" then guess what? YOU need evidence while I need... nothing!
So sorry, thx for participating! [/quote]
The problem is that I never explicitly STATED "it was this way."

Indeed, many MANY times I said "it`s possible that."

Sorry, thanks for CONTINUING to argue semantics, displaying your selective reading abilities, and proving yourself a TOTAL ignoramus...

[quote]Please explain you logic here, Really. On your back, getting beaten, damage to your skull...[/quote]
And in confirmation of your pre-established idiocy, you CONTINUE to take that statement in the wrong context.

I wasn`t even SPEAKING about this case, assh­ole. I was speaking in general to the trigger-happy f­ucktards who think the second someone glares at them wrong is a good time to start shooting.
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[quote]IF the cops say " not crime here" to the DA, what do you expect is goin to happen?
IF the DA files charges anyhow, what "new" evidence do you offer which will convict Zimmerman %100? [/quote]
If the police are saying that Zimmerman did NOT commit a crime, and defended himself from an "attacker," then the implication is that Martin DID commit the crime of assault FIRST which leads to self-defense claims.

If this is the case, then where is the evidence accusing Martin 100%?

Sure, accuse the dead kid. After all, it`s not like he can defend himself...
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Male 40,277
[quote]You can be a bit of an ass like that.[/quote]
Ouch! Ooochie! No fair! Referee!!!

[quote]but your "scenario" was perfectly fine because you always used the words "I think" before you said it.[/quote]
Phew! I`m back on solid grounds!
If I propose a "theory" and YOU say "it was this way" then guess what? YOU need evidence while I need... nothing!
So sorry, thx for participating!

[quote]Unless someone has you cornered like a rat, there`s no excuse for shooting first.[/quote]
Um what? If someone has ME cornered and afraid for my life, guess what? YOU GONNA DIE! And that`s all there is to it.
Please explain you logic here, Really. On your back, getting beaten, damage to your skull...
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Male 3,482
[quote]When I put forth a VERY similar scenario I was called nasty names... [/quote]
Probably because you started arguing semantics, like claiming that my "scenario" was unlikely and nothing more than an assumption, but your "scenario" was perfectly fine because you always used the words "I think" before you said it.

You can be a bit of an ass like that.

[quote]You are on your back, you`ve been hit HARD in the back of the head. Your attacker is on top of you beating your face...
LOTS of options here! Or...not![/quote]
I`ve gotten out of worse... And won worse, for that matter.

Besides, I was saying that in response to the people who are making comments like "they don`t have to touch you for you to feel threatened and shoot first" and all that bullsh*t.

Unless someone has you cornered like a rat, there`s no excuse for shooting first.
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Male 40,277
[quote]the burden of proof lied with the one making accusations[/quote]
Correct @Altaru: Except in the opposite way you intended.
The DA (District Atorny) is the one who files charges, NOT "the cops" ok?
IF the cops say " not crime here" to the DA, what do you expect is goin to happen?
IF the DA files charges anyhow, what "new" evidence do you offer which will convict Zimmerman %100?
Well? Emotions aside, there`s nothing (YET!) to say Z did anything wrong. Yet...
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[quote]it just does not fit our idea of the world and in a lot of cases the idea of the world that cable news as fed into our brains.[/quote]
Um, close, but no. Like I said, I think you`re close to the truth (In My Humble Opinion!) ("truth" being entirely SUBjective of course) I just have trouble with the details.

[quote]I`m putting forth a plausible scenario.[/quote]
When I put forth a VERY similar scenario I was called nasty names...

[quote]When there is no other option to escape the situation.[/quote]
You are on your back, you`ve been hit HARD in the back of the head. Your attacker is on top of you beating your face...
LOTS of options here! Or...not!
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Male 4,844
"I`d easily agree that the whole MSM is pure evil. If you include "Fox" I`d not offer much resistance! A little, but not much."

Mostly it is cable news. They have all replaced the standards of journalism with sensationalism. This story here is a prime example. News is boring. It doesn`t get people worked up like this for weeks.
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[quote]Also, the burden isn`t on Z to prove that M was beating him to death, it`s on the prosecutor to prove that he wasn`t. That`s how our system has and always will work.[/quote]
Umm, excuse me?

I thought the burden of proof lied with the one making accusations, and in that scenario it sound like the one making accusations is Z, if I`m not mistaken.

After all, he`s ACCUSING Martin of attacking him, which leads to self-defense.

That whole system is f*cked...
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Male 4,844
"I repeat: I`ve paid attention to your previous posts and in general dont` disagree. It`s the specifics I find fault with."

But that is kind of the problem with people`s behavior in this new media world. What we find "fault" with is a lot of time just something we don`t agree with. There`s no fault it just does not fit our idea of the world and in a lot of cases the idea of the world that cable news as fed into our brains.
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[quote]trying to get the gun out of Z`s hands, and the gun firing.

Honestly @Altaru: you`re agreeing with me?[/quote]
I`m putting forth a plausible scenario.

Or, as you called it in the other thread, "making assumptions," iirc.

Besides, the only reason I was against Z was because Ollie was FOR Z. And like I said: I never want to agree with that senile old bigot.

If he were to become an atheist, I would become a devout Catholic. Not that that would ever happen, thank google...
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Male 3,482
[quote]at what point can you use force? After you are incapacitated? You can make someone feel threatened without ever touching them.[/quote]
There is ONE time and place that responding with violence is the correct option: When there is no other option to escape the situation.

Other than that, escalating a situation will always end poorly. For all parties involved.

I`m not even 21 and I`ve been in enough fights, had enough sh*t pointed at me, and made enough enemies that I`m already tired of it all.

If you can walk away, there`s no excuse for starting the fight. You`re just a gorilla looking to throw his weight around. A "big man" who feels the need to validate himself through the destruction of others, but you`re too much of a bitch to actually start something.

Unless you ARE starting something, in which case... Good on you, asshat, you`re half of what`s wrong with this world.
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@markust: I`d easily agree that the whole MSM is pure evil. If you include "Fox" I`d not offer much resistance! A little, but not much.

I repeat: I`ve paid attention to your previous posts and in general dont` disagree. It`s the specifics I find fault with.

[quote] trying to get the gun out of Z`s hands, and the gun firing.[/quote]
Honestly @Altaru: you`re agreeing with me?
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Thanks for sending it in for a post 5Cats. That means a lot.

"Honestly, between you and I? I think there`s very little difference in opinion. Perhaps that "difference" is actualy important? idk... "

Ever since my parents and I stopped talking partisan politics we have found that we are really not that different. Cable news is destroying really good relationships. It is pure evil.
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Male 3,482
[quote]It`s very likely that Zimmerman could have threatened Trayvon with the gun and got him to stop attacking while they waited for the police to arrive,[/quote]
Completely ignoring that Z could have tried exactly that, and Martin responded by freaking out, trying to get the gun out of Z`s hands, and the gun firing.

I know I`d try to get the gun. Then again, I actually know the techniques to disarming people.
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;-) Cross posting! I like you cartoon @markust and have suggested it for an IAB thread! Giving you credit of course!
Honestly, between you and I? I think there`s very little difference in opinion. Perhaps that "difference" is actualy important? idk...
I think (feel) that to remain silent in troubled times isn`t an option.

@WantaGT: I like the cut of your jib my friend!

(sorry for typos if any but my cat waswalikng all oer the place ere...)
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Male 4,844
"Please post your cartoon here @Markust! I truely do want to see it. I promise to be polite! (Even if I disagree with it...)"

I posted it right below where you asked this.
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Male 18
"Not just in this case but many like it when there is a shooting even when it`s justified beyond a shadow of a doubt"

Just to clarify :I don`t mean to imply that this is true for this case at all.
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Male 169
I think a more important question is why are 4 of the six related video clips from Seinfeld?
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Male 18
I agree with markust and 5cats about the MSM being a bunch of f**k ups. Not just in this case but many like it when there is a shooting even when it`s justified beyond a shadow of a doubt. The media swoops down on the shooter and publishes their hometown address and business/employer. I don`t know why the public would need to know someones address. Your life is already turned upside down why does the media have to stomp on the pieces?
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Male 638
"You see - Zimmerman is the admitted shooter. The life threatening struggle is going to be his defense. He will eventually be charged and his defense will have to prove that the alleged struggle occurred or raise sufficient doubt that it didn`t occur. The prosecution will have this video to prove that it didn`t. "

Except that is not how it works, In Florida the burden of proof when it comes to self defense is on the prosecution, they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not act in self defense.
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@markust: It`s been said many times, the "1000" isn`t an exact science, eh?
I`ve been cut off at 836, and had 950+ posted clean. idk why!

@LillianDulci: "life threatening struggle" how about that? It`s NOT required for SYG defence, eh? I could go on, there`s TONS more stupid stuff @ExtraCredit says.
And BTW: Thanks for all the times you supported ME while I was being abused... or not!

[quote]"I highly doubt he said "coon"."[quote]
I honestly believe he said f-ing "cops". Really I do!
Please post your cartoon here @Markust! I truely do want to see it. I promise to be polite! (Even if I disagree with it...)

@jamie76: oh, you`ve got such GOOD EYES ther bro! Able to see past the BLURRYNESS of it all... (asswipe)
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Male 4,844
Here`s my cartoon. Please keep in mind that this is my first cartoon and Flash is a really hard and horribly frustrating program to work with.
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Male 2,345
nope, not a scratch on that murderer.

srry zimmerman followers, the guy was is and will continue to be full of crap.


what else you got, more smearing for the dead kid?
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Male 1,510
I agree with @markust123 about the media. Post your cartoon here, I want to see it now.
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Male 4,844
"I highly doubt he said "coon"."

Me too. I just finished creating a cartoon a few weeks back. Putting the mouth movements to the voices really burned into my head the sounds we make. It is very clear that he said "F**king punks". There was no oo sound. It was an uh sound. I wish the MODs would post my cartoon. I have submitted it twice. It is a wonderful slam on congress as a whole and the media.
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Male 599
@markust123
Yea, I saw that one too. I highly doubt he said "coon". Most people aren`t outwardly racist like that, but I guess it is possible.
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Male 4,844
So does the 1000 characters include every character in a blank line. I was under 1000 but was cut off. Although I like the T at the end of my comment.
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Male 599
"you`re in a secret organization called Peter Pan and the Lost Boys fighting the Teletubbies crime syndicate?"

How do you know about these kids? They some real bad cats. You don`t wanna mess with them for sure.
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Male 4,844
"I`ll willingly conceeding that you have often said "Dem and Rep don`t matter" and "right and left is an illusion". And I offer little resistance to those arguements.
BUT it doesn`t change reality: the MSM is grinding this for every drop of blood it` worth..."

Thank you for toning it down. All media is grinding this for every drop of blood. And that is because, as I said in another post, this is the perfect opinion media storm. Conservatives have to protect gun rights at all costs and liberals have to protect tolerance at all costs. And neither side will give an inch on this one. And the media knows this. They are just playing everyone for fools and feeding the fire of division that much further. In case yo haven`t noticed I really hate todays media. I am actually the most disappointed in CNN on this one. The couple clips I have seen are pure opinion. Baiting the viewer with things like "The word you are supposed to hear is coons" T
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Female 2,674
@5Cats - What was wrong with what ExtraCredit said? Or did you just have no counter argument so you had to insult him instead?
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Male 15,171
"Now you might be wonderin how I know all about the 6 Tiggers of Tizville and the Bonescrappaz, and it`s because I roll with a crew that make sure these 2 dont get out of hand and control the poo and the hoes. What crew is this you ask? A good crew, real good crew. We ain`t got a name, but people call us the Power Rangers."

Loooooool. Are you sure you aren`t in middle school? What next, you`re in a secret organization called Peter Pan and the Lost Boys fighting the Teletubbies crime syndicate?

Credibility level = zero.
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Male 40,277
True @markust: I`ll willingly conceeding that you have often said "Dem and Rep don`t matter" and "right and left is an illusion". And I offer little resistance to those arguements.
BUT it doesn`t change reality: the MSM is grinding this for every drop of blood it` worth...
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Male 40,277
@ExtraCredit: You appear to be delusional, take your meds as post back in the morning.

[quote]but people call us the Power Rangers.[/quote]
HOLY POO! @ivran: I swear if I`ve offended you it was a terrible mistake!

The Indian Warriors (an race-based gang) and
The iP (a race based gang) and
The Zig-Zag Crew (a race based gang) and
The North Side Posse (a race-based gang)

ALL swear they meant no harm!
(hint: ALL are Native Gangs IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD that focus on attacking whites)
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Male 10,338
ivran wins. Lock the thread.
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Male 4,844
"5cats stated he felt that if Zimmerman was a Republican, the MSM would be crucifying him. However, Fox "News" and other right-wing outlets are actually complaining that the MSM IS crucifying Zimmerman."

Read between the lines. 5Cats is just upset that he found out Zimmerman is a Democrat. You should have seen the ridiculous rant OldOllie went on a couple days ago when he found this out. Opinion media seriously makes people nuts. You can`t live in an environment where you are kept in a constant state of agitation and be of healthy mind. That is why I now steer way way clear of opinion media and cable news. IAB is my only outlet for talking politics. I don`t waste my time in the rest of my life. And even here I fight hard not to get involved. Sometimes the power (or stupidity) is too strong and I get pulled in.
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Male 599
The police probably have pictures and his bloody shirt.
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Male 599
What in the hell have I been rambling on about? Ugh, that`s the last time I drink straight Everclear! BLECHK!
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Male 599
Now you might be wonderin how I know all about the 6 Tiggers of Tizville and the Bonescrappaz, and it`s because I roll with a crew that make sure these 2 dont get out of hand and control the poo and the hoes. What crew is this you ask? A good crew, real good crew. We ain`t got a name, but people call us the Power Rangers.
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Male 453
5cats

It`s Zimmerman`s lawyers that are eventually going to wish they had evidence of this "life threatening" struggle. You see - Zimmerman is the admitted shooter. The life threatening struggle is going to be his defense. He will eventually be charged and his defense will have to prove that the alleged struggle occurred or raise sufficient doubt that it didn`t occur. The prosecution will have this video to prove that it didn`t.

I hope Mr. Zimmerman has been able to somehow substantiate his alleged injuries. His verbal story without physical evidence is going to be a very weak defense.
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Male 599
Z-Booty joined the tiggers when he was only 6 years old, they made em change his name. And as for, T-Thugz, he was chosen by the bones, you don`t join the bones, they choose you.
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Male 3,369
@Yusuksomuch: 5cats stated he felt that if Zimmerman was a Republican, the MSM would be crucifying him. However, Fox "News" and other right-wing outlets are actually complaining that the MSM IS crucifying Zimmerman.
I was just being snarky, but I`m tired too. G`night all.
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Male 599
DingDingDong
Those arent nicknames, those are their names. They got em changed when they was 7.
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Male 18
@ExtraCredit I wouldn`t say anyone is really defending Z. I think most of us "defenders" are just not throwing him under the bus. We don`t really have any facts/testimonies at least not any really important ones.
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Male 514
@ExtraCredit, being a 40-49 year old American, I would assume you have heard of the right to a trial by jury?
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Male 1,510
I`m always amazed how people can hear the same set of facts and have such differing opinions. (my opinion is the correct one by the way)

I think we should move the argument over to what nicknames we should be using for them...

I`ve seen Z-booty and T-Thug...those are nice but I propose Cracker and Hoodzie?
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Male 6,227
This story just gets more compelling by the day and I`d love to hang out, but have to work tomorrow. `Nite all. =^.^=
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Male 4,844
You need to take some assertiveness classes 5Cats. Your passive aggression is not healthy.
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Male 599
Z-Booty`s life was threatened. If he aint capped T-Thugz when he did, the scrappaz might have showed up and nailed him to a tree like they did with assghost.
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Male 40,277
@ExtraCredit: Scroll down and read what I said.
It is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that Z`s life was indeed threatened and he could not have a scratch to show for it...
Unless YOU can offer PROOF otherwise?
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Male 599
@ExtraCredit Because he has a right to be defended in a court of law just like anyone else.
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Male 382
Really ??? Someone had nothing better to do than waste the time to post 1 and a half minutes of nothing ?
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Male 453
He doesn`t appear to have been in a recent mortal combat. I don`t think life-threatening injuries could be so well concealed/cleaned up/treated in such a short time. If he had recently been having the life beaten out of him by an unarmed teenage, wouldn`t we be able to see something?

Why is ANYBODY defending this scumbag?
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Male 599
This is gonna be a real bad fight between the tiggers and the bonescrappaz. Last time they got in a fight was back when two of the bonescrappaz killed ole assghost and nailed him to a tree. That`s how the 7 Tiggers of Tizville became the 6 tiggers of tizville. The bones killed assghost, we was one of the original tiggers. Real rough fight happened after that.
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Male 40,277
(/sarc)
(@markust loses)

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Male 40,277
@WantaGT: oh no! Hollywood has shown us that when someone gets shot their body flies like 30 FEET through the air!
Thus M`s body was obviously 30` away from the fight and Z`s body was obviously splatterd with gore!
Hollywood says so!
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Male 514
@markust123, looks like you are ignoring questions now
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Male 4,844
"Did I miss a report or something that said he made the shot with T on top of him? Or is that just an assumption? "

It was just an assumption. Thanks for the lesson in bullet wounds. That answered my question.
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@markust123 Did I miss a report or something that said he made the shot with T on top of him? Or is that just an assumption?

2nd Unlike the movies blood does not normally gush from a chest wound. Especially the entrance wound if he was using hollow point(I am assuming he did) the round does not expand for a few inches and if it did exit T chest, the exit wound would bleed the most. Unless its was a heart shot or another major artery, but even the he`s not going to just lay with the body on him.
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Male 599
And you know the real reason the fuzz aint wanna arrest Z-booty? It`s cuz he rolls with a real bad crew. They call themselves The 6 Tiggers of Tizville. If the fuzz arrest Z-booty, the fuzz is gonna get in trouble with the tiggers, and aint nobody wanna see that. But now the tiggers of tizville are just gonna get in a fight with the bonescrappaz(That`s T-thugz`s gang), and no police gonna get hurt.
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Male 40,277
[quote]Did he push him off of him and then shoot him in cold blood?[/quote]
Evicence of this? ZERO!
@Markust = troll!

Seriously, you`re projecting imaginary scenarios onto this? PA-thetic.
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Male 1,510
I don`t understand the argument that his injuries weren`t bad enough. Was he supposed to wait until he was punched enough times to realize that his life was in danger or that he may pass out and have his gun used against him?
I have a concealed pistol permit, and I would not hesitate to shoot before I was punched even once. If someone is coming at me in a threatening way (fist up ready to punch for example), I`ll shoot him. I`m not going to "wait and see what happens...maybe I`ll absorb three punches first." No, I`m protecting myself. And it would be bad luck on the guy who attacked me.

That said, I would try to run first and avoid these situations.

Also, the report states that Z was on his way back to his truck when T confronted him.
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Male 4,844
Ivran knew exactly what I was talking about. My point is if the boy was on top of him when he shot him there would be blood on his shirt. That`s how gravity works. It`s funny that way. I`m curious if the witness watched the whole thing or went and called the cops. The lack of blood seams weird to me. Did he push him off of him and then shoot him in cold blood?
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Male 514
@Markust123, you know what takes blood off of clothes?? It isn`t "ancient Chinese secret," it`s called COLD WATER. Rain is water, right?
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Male 40,277
[quote]I am clearly talking about the boys blood.[/quote]
Clearly in your own mind @Markust, but NOT to the rest of us, eh?
AND: WHERE in all the reports & witnesses does it say that Z was "covered with blood" I`ll give you a hint: NO WHERE!
Your imagination outreaches your credibility...
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Male 40,277
@Squirrelz: I say again: this video is "grainy".
Even if Z were banged up, THIS WOULD NOT SHOW IT!
(sorry for the caps,, eh?)
AND!
I SEE THE REDNESS ON HIS HEAD! Even in the crappy resolution! I don`t care if YOU see it or not, I DO!
Plus: the EMS (Sfd) cleaned him up. That is a fact! Not "if", fact. So what if they didn`t "apply a band aid" what does THAT "prove?"
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Male 4,844
Funny how you ignored my question twice 5Cats and spun it that I was talking about Zimmerman blood. I am clearly talking about the boys blood. But that is what you do. You ignore anything that doesn`t fit into your bizarre view of the world. I`ll ask again, why is not a drop of it on Zimmerman? Ivran has an awesome response to this question.
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Male 1,008
[email protected] and tthug
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Male 599
But the real fight was all over that girl, T-Thugz`s "girlfriend". She had been leading both T-Thugz and Z-Booty on for a whole month now, and Z-Booty was gettin pretty jealous, so he go to make sure T-Thugz wasnt stealin his girl.
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Male 40,277
[quote]Again calling names[/quote]
Oh @markust! You are my saint and saviour! Oh wait, you were SILENT when I personally was repeatedly attacked?
WTF dude?
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Male 6,227
5Cats: While before you were winning me over to your side on this issue, you`re losing me fast now. I`m having a hard time understanding why you`re unwilling to admit what`s obvious in this video: There is no indication here that Zimmerman was in a serious fight.

Instead you talk of some invisible "red spot" and go on about hypothetical invisible injuries. Spin like a top if you want, but it doesn`t change the fact George Zimmerman isn`t even sporting a Band-Aid in this video.
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markust123
I`m tellin you man, they were fightin it out shirtless. And then, when things got real rough, T-Thugz made the mistake of calling Z-Booty`s mom a "fat whore"(Z-Booty`s mom died recently), so Z-Booty lost it and pop a cap in T-Thugz`s ass.
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Male 17,512
Squrlz: You have to understand that a video, like that, is going to be grainy for several reasons.

First, the camera is a pretty common off the shelf color `outdoor` camera, it`s use is to monitor what`s going on in the sally port, not identify wounds on people.

Secondly, the video had to be converted into the commonly used .src video format for the internet.

Thirdly, it doesn`t matter what resolution your monitor is, the video was converted to 360 resolution, that`s all the detail you`re going to see.

My monitor is set at 1800x1440, better than HD, but I still only see 360 resolution in the video.

It doesn`t change the fact that paramedics, police, witnesses at the scene, and his family all seen his injuries.
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Male 4,844
"#1 it was raining
#2 EMS CLEANED HIM UP!!!! It`s right there in the police report!
#3 Y R U So stoopid? Oooh, it`s on purpose, ic!"

Again calling names - your are cracking. Serious, the blood of a shot boy washes off a gray shirt if it is raining. How did the police get his shirt so clean. The boy was on top of him when he feared for his life so he had to have shot him that way. There would be blood all over the front of Zimmerman.
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Male 40,277
@Markust`s Version:
EMS: Oh, I see you`re bleeding from the nose and head, but I`ll NOT clean that up because it might impede you being prosicuted in killing an innocent balck boy!
Reality:
EMS: that`s nasty! lets clean it up!

You can argue agianst that?
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Male 15,832
Wow! He wiped the blood off and dusted off his jacket. Well, I guess that seals it: he`s a racist murder. Lynch him!
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Male 599
@markust123 I was kidding...
Maybe when Zimmerman got in a fight with T-Thugz, he took his shirt off cuz things were gettin real up in there. So the blood got all over his skin and not his shirt.
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Male 40,277
[quote]Why was there no blood on Zimerman?[/quote]
@Markust: do you not bother to read previous posts?
#1 it was raining
#2 EMS CLEANED HIM UP!!!! It`s right there in the police report!
#3 Y R U So stoopid? Oooh, it`s on purpose, ic!
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Male 4,844
"Maybe it was raining and all the blood rained off"

You cracked the case. Blood runs right off light gray t-shirts.
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Male 4,844
I actually would have no problem with that. The New Black Panthers are an extremist hate group. Hate brings negativity.
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Male 453
He doesn`t appear nearly as dirty as the Sanford police department.
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Male 599
@markust123 Maybe it was raining and all the blood rained off
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Male 4,844
When 5Cats starts name calling you know he is loosing an argument. Answer this me this oh wise one. Why was there no blood on Zimerman? The boy was on top of him. He shot him. He should be covered in blood.
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Male 599
You know what would be funny? If one of the new black panthers or their cronies went to kill Zimmerman vigilante style, and he then killed him in self-defense?
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Male 1,008
"5cats: "The MSM would have gone BERZERK if Z had been a Republican, you must know that, eh? "

And since they haven`t, it makes one wonder why the right-wing media is upset about what coverage there is."


i must be sleepy I cant figure out what you are arguing for or against here
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Male 3,369
5cats: "The MSM would have gone BERZERK if Z had been a Republican, you must know that, eh? "

And since they haven`t, it makes one wonder why the right-wing media is upset about what coverage there is.
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Male 3,369
coffeetalk: "and that means he would`ve been VERY angry against society and anyone approaching him to be an authoritive figure which made him volitle."

Just because you were doesn`t mean he was.
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Male 40,277
[quote]as if to say, "I don`t see anything."[/quote]
Since there`s NO sound, it`s entirely YOUR imagination that is what is said. You can admit that yes?
He could just as easily be thinking/ saying: Oh that`s a NASTY wound! You say you`re ok? *shrugs* Well ok then.

[quote]are almost always[/quote]

Almost? In this grainy video? You are actually undermining your own "arguement" here...
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Male 40,277
[quote]I`ve only heard that he is a Democrat in the last couple days[/quote]
@Markust is busily digging his own "grave" here...
[quote]The MSM is not partisan 5CATS - you are.[/quote]
HAHAHAHAAA! Oh YES! I personally am a "news reprter" who has sworn to "report" the news! NOT! You are foolish to the exreme! I personally have RIGHT to be as "biased" as I please! But "journalist" is supposed to "report the news without bias" eh?
So... you are teh stupid!
My RIGHT vs your stupidity? It`s not even close.
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Male 3,369
5cats and others: "And @jt? Z is a Democrat..."

Good to know. Now we know that any conservative here in the U.S who has reservations about Romney is an idiot because he`s a Republican.
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Male 4,844
"But being suspended from school does.. WHOOSH"

I rather enjoyed being suspended from school. A real punishment is in school suspension.
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Male 6,227
@5Cats: We`re going to have to disagree on the red spot. His head looks perfectly fine to me; that also appears to be the opinion of the officer who examines it firsthand from 0:48 to 0:58. The cop gives a shrug as if to say, "I don`t see anything."

If you`re in any kind of a serious fight, there are almost always marks that would be obvious in a video like this. Trust me: You take a serious punch to your mouth, and unless you`re a conditioned boxer, your lips are going to puff up like sausages; you take a punch to the eye, it swells virtually shut in 10 minutes and turns purple within 20; you throw serious punches against an assailant`s head, your knuckles are going to be bleeding.

Hypothesize about invisible injuries all you want. Zimmerman does NOT appear to have been in a serious fight in this video.
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Male 1,008
I don`t know this publication so Icant say its 100% reliable, but its out there

zimmerman voter registration card
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Male 599
@markust123
But being suspended from school does..
WHOOSH
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Male 4,844
The MSM is not partisan 5CATS - you are.
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Male 4,844
"The MSM would have gone BERZERK if Z had been a Republican, you must know that, eh?
SO: that he is a Democrat IS important. By the "rules" laid down by the MSM..."

Funny I`ve only heard that he is a Democrat in the last couple days. I think you are full of sh*t on this one.
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Male 40,277
@jt: Apology accepted: with this caveat!

The MSM would have gone BERZERK if Z had been a Republican, you must know that, eh?
SO: that he is a Democrat IS important. By the "rules" laid down by the MSM...
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Male 4,844
"but remember that he had recently been suspended from the education system for drugs and that means he would`ve been VERY angry against society and anyone approaching him to be an authoritive figure which made him volitle."

Smoking pot does not make people angry you square. 90% of the kids in my school smoked pot. This has no bearing on the case. Except that maybe the reason the school searched him in the first place was because he was black. See what I did there.
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Male 599
In the police report, he was initially searched. Why is this man being searched again, and what is with this December thing?
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Male 40,277
@Squirrels" Concussions, internal bleeding and brain damage have few or NO external indicators, OK? I see the red spot on his head, idk why you don`t.

[quote]If he had any open wounds,[/quote]
A valid point @cobrakiller EXCEPT that Z had gotten treatment before that, and the cop examines his wound at 0:54, so there was NO "open wounds" for them to put gloves on. OK?

@FoolsPrussia is OK by me!

[quote]not get a single drop of blood[/quote]
OOO! You can SEE that in this grainy tape @markust? Do tell us, EAGLE EYES!

[quote]Zimmermans Father[/quote]
@jt: I respectfully say that Z`s father WAS NOT THERE ans neither was M`s Girlfriend...

And @jt? Z is a Democrat...
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Male 2
I especially enjoyed the part at 00:34 where it says DEC at the bottom, and how the guy looks nothing like Zimmerman.
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Male 196
While you`re assuming things jtrebowski: Also, for those of you who take Martin`s families account of what they DIDN`T SEE HAPPEN as gospel, that`s fine, but remember that he had recently been suspended from the education system for drugs and that means he would`ve been VERY angry against society and anyone approaching him to be an authoritive figure which made him volitle.
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Male 3,369
@ivran and coffetalk: I apologize.
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Male 3,369
@yosuksomuch: lol..yeah...we`re used to it...remember Casey Anthony?
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Male 599
@jtrebowski
What does political affiliation have to do with this case? Zimmerman was a democrat. Who gives a poo? Stop with the fallacies, bro, and make some real arguments.
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Male 196
@jtrebowski

Who`s being stereotypical now?
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Male 3,369
Coffeetalk: "@jtre - The truth hurts!"

You`re a Conservative.
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Male 3,369
Also, for those of you who take Zimmerman`s account in the police report as gospel, that`s fine, but remember that he had a CWP, which means he would`ve been VERY aware of the SYG law and how it could be applied to him.
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Male 196
@jtre - The truth hurts!
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Male 1,008
" Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:47:02 PM
Oh, btw...I forgot to mention that Zimmermans Father gave an interview to our local Fox 35 news claiming that Trayvon said "you`re gonna die now!"

Um..really? Some strange dude gets out of his SUV and starts chasing him, and he turns around and says that? Yeah....right."



gotta love the "facts" in this one lol
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Male 3,369
Coffeetalk: "I`ve got to go to work....wait,no. I forgot, I`m not going to call them...I`m going to go lay down in the middle of the highway and protest not having a job. No wait, I have one, the government gave me a job because my grandfather was a slave, oops, I mean my great grandfather (who knows). Anyway, the laws give me a job and I`m not going to go. I`m going to put on my hoodie...and join the Black Pantha party. They will give me a job making a snarled up face behind their leader while he`s shouting and threatening the white man on the TV. Maybe I`ll go to a polling place and tell them who to vote for...... "


Well, so much for you conservatives claiming you don`t stereotype.
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Male 3,369
Oh, btw...I forgot to mention that Zimmermans Father gave an interview to our local Fox 35 news claiming that Trayvon said "you`re gonna die now!"

Um..really? Some strange dude gets out of his SUV and starts chasing him, and he turns around and says that? Yeah....right.
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@cobrakiller. And we all know that the police follow procedure...
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Male 599
@jtrebowski
He wasn`t referring to this case. He was referring to a previous comment.
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Male 6,227
@DingDingdong: I don`t think anyone`s saying that Zimmerman wasn`t in a fight. At least I know I`m not.

What I will say is this: I`ve been in two serious fights in my life. One in a high school parking lot after a school ski trip and once in a bar fight in my late 20s. (I`m not proud of either incident, by the way.) In both instances, there would be no way I could`ve walked around in a video like this looking fresh as a daisy. For three or four days, all I got was, "What did the other guy look like?"

I`ve said it before and I`ll say it again. In my opinion, if you can`t take a few punches that are leaving no visible marks without shooting your assailant to death, you shouldn`t be carrying a gun.

No doubt honest men will disagree on this point.
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Male 4,844
How do you shoot someone who is on top of you and not get a single drop of blood anywhere on your body?
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Male 1,510
Here`s the initial police report for everyone that doesn`t believe Zimmerman was in a fight, Officer Ayala must have been lying about the blood then??

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/120226_TrayvonMartinPoliceReport.pdf
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Male 3,445
My gut says Zimmerman should probably be prosecuted even if Trayvon attacked him, but damned if a crappy surveillance tape will tell anything about Zimmerman`s wounds or stained jacket.
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Male 1,510
Must be a conspiracy between the officer, the eye witness and EMTs to clear Zimmerman and kill more black kids.
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Male 7,808
If he had any open wounds, any cops handling him would have been wearing latex gloves as is the procedure.
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Male 18
@Squrlz4Sale Did you read the police report? Officer Ayala stated that Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head. I know you said your monitor is awesome but how does that overcome the crappy quality of the video? It looks like someone used the video function on their camera.

P.S. The cops bikes in the background look pretty sick.
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Male 3,369
WantaGT: "@jtrebowski If you have weapon on your person you don`t lose a fight because if your knocked out your weapon could then be used against you.

I`m not justifying the fight/shooting just a viewpoint that should be taken into consideration."

I will take that into consideration.

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Male 3,369
Coffetalk: "I wouldn`t need a good lawyer."

Yes you would. Not only would you have to explain the lack of visable wounds, you`d also have to explain how you went from a safe place that your life wasn`t in danger (i.e...the car the cops told you not to leave) to a place where you found your gun-carrying self in a confrontation with an un-armed teenager that had every right to be there.
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"If there *were* any kind of contusion or scrape, I suspect the EMTs would`ve put a bandage on it. For legal reasons, they tend to be overcautious. (I once had a cut on my ear and by the time an EMT was done bandaging me, it looked like I had a cracked skull; it was a little ridiculous.) "


this is true, paramedics do tend to over bandage even minor wounds, especially if there is only one person needing medical attention, but zimmerman could have declined that maybe?
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Male 599
@ajd121
Yea, on one hand, I think Zimmerman is an ass for being partially responsible for the death of a 17 year old, but on the other hand, I don`t know if I could really blame him for firing if the situation was as bad as it is being made out to be. Even if the beating isn`t lethal, it could lead to severe brain damage, and had no one showed up in a timely fashion, he could have bled to death or something. The thing is though, you don`t really have time to think about this in a situation like this. I don`t really see how they`re going to peg this with murder as it seems there was an altercation that prompted him to pull out his firearm. Even if it weren`t life threatening, it would be enough to prevent him from getting murder charges.
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Male 272
The Trayvon Martin Case is just an elaborate marketing campaign for skittles.
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Male 6,227
5Cats and CJ: I`ve scrutinized this video on an awesome monitor, watching it at least half a dozen times. Darned if I can see even a HINT of a red mark on Zimmerman`s head. His head looks as good or better than the heads of the officers. One of the officers actually examines the back of Zimmerman`s head and doesn`t appear to find anything, giving a little shrug after taking a look (0:48 to 0:58).

If there *were* any kind of contusion or scrape, I suspect the EMTs would`ve put a bandage on it. For legal reasons, they tend to be overcautious. (I once had a cut on my ear and by the time an EMT was done bandaging me, it looked like I had a cracked skull; it was a little ridiculous.)

Sorry, but I`m calling it like I see it. And George Zimmerman looks as fresh as a daisy in this video.
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Male 638
If you feel like there is a chance you could be knocked unconscious then your life is in danger because you have 0 chance at defending yourself, 1 kick to an unconscious head could kill.
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Male 599
"Damn i wanna here what them bitches sayin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Is the first comment on youtube.
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Male 638
"The whole "self defense" thing is supposed to be used if you feel like your life is in danger. If he cleaned up that quickly to the point where it`s hard to tell that he was even injured at all, it`s very unlikely that his life was in danger."

Lol someone is on top of you trying to pound your head into the cement, but I guess your are thinking, "Lets wait this out see where it goes"
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Male 18
@jtrebowski If you have weapon on your person you don`t lose a fight because if your knocked out your weapon could then be used against you.

I`m not justifying the fight/shooting just a viewpoint that should be taken into consideration.

@LillianDulci I understand that pulling your weapon to scare someone seems like a good idea, but a concealed weapon is not intended for that purpose. It`s a last resort to save your life or someones life.

Also pulling your gun in public is considered brandishing and you could be slapped with felony that carries a 10 year mandatory sentence. Or you might not but that`s a pretty big risk to take.

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Male 17,512
I`m guessing that no one really read the police report where the paramedics treated him on scene.

The paramedics cleaned him up there, before he was transported.

Even though the video is grainy, I can still see a bloody looking spot on the back of his head.
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Male 1,008
"The comments on this video on youtube are ridiculous. "

I just checked them out and now have a new found respect for IABers
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Male 41
Illinois is the only State in the country that does NOT have a conceal and carry law. All 49 others do. Some with permit requirements and some without. Think about that next time you’re drinking with a bunch of rednecks in a bar. This country is going to h_ll. He was told not to follow the kid and he should have listened. End of story. And certainly Travon’s story.
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Male 196
I`ve got to go to work....wait,no. I forgot, I`m not going to call them...I`m going to go lay down in the middle of the highway and protest not having a job. No wait, I have one, the government gave me a job because my grandfather was a slave, oops, I mean my great grandfather (who knows). Anyway, the laws give me a job and I`m not going to go. I`m going to put on my hoodie...and join the Black Pantha party. They will give me a job making a snarled up face behind their leader while he`s shouting and threatening the white man on the TV. Maybe I`ll go to a polling place and tell them who to vote for......
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Male 599
The comments on this video on youtube are ridiculous.
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Male 7,378
jtrebowski is right. Everyone else is treading water in a whirlpool.
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Male 599
@CoffeeTalk I just brought that up to point out that this case isn`t completely racially divided. Although, since people are accusing zimmerman of racism, a black witness on your side does help.
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Male 196
@ivran: The witness being black "should" not be a factor whose side he is on. He/she is supposed to tell the truth. I`m not saying you mean that it matters, just saying that either side should`t rely on what color of skin the witness has. Wouldn`t it be crazy if the witnes was Asian???
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Male 599
Lol, the owner of this video is blocking anyone who disputes it`s validity. He told me to "eat a bag of poo mean personface and grow an iq." Now I remember why I don`t go on youtube...
I`m glad we can all be civil here.
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Male 196
@Tekinette
What do Europeans do when their life is in danger? Oh yeah, they surrender....and die. (See the French military)
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Male 6,227
LOL @Tekinette`s remark.

Exactly. We`ll have a daisy-chain of homicides. The entire male population of the U.S. will go down like dominoes. LOL.
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Male 196
@ivran.....it was a rhetorical comment aimed at the fact that Obama is half WHITE....not black of just half-black!
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Male 1,008
"Let`s give people guns and tell them they have the right to kill eachother if they think they`re in danger... Keep it classy America !"

Lemming of the Day!!!
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Male 599
@Tekinette
1) Most of America doesn`t have this kind of law
2) You clearly don`t understand how this law or American laws in general work, so you shouldn`t be commenting until you correct this.
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Male 273
Let`s give people guns and tell them they have the right to kill eachother if they think they`re in danger... Keep it classy America !

If you follow that law you could probably kill Zimmerman if you saw him try to kill Trayvon and someone else could kill you to protect Zimmerman and so on...
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Male 40,277
@Squirrelz: It`s a grainy video, and I SEE the red mark on his head (about 1:20) clearly.

@LillianDulci: If I pin you down and hold a knife to your throat and say "I`m going to kill you and drink your blood" and you shoot me, are YOU going to jail? YOU don`t have a scratch on you! I`m dead, why should we take YOUR word on anything that you "claim" happened?

NO Martin didn`t have a weapon, I know that! BUT he WAS actively assaulting Zimmerman, it`s a FACT.
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Male 599
@CoffeeTalk
He`s already made some kind of vague, half-assed comment on it.
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Male 6,227
In my opinion, if you can`t take a punch or two that leave no marks without shooting your assailant dead, you shouldn`t be carrying a gun.
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Male 599
@CoffeeTalk That`s not true. There are plenty of whites that support Martin. It`s just not advertised because it isn`t as emotionally-inspiring or whatever. There are also some blacks that side with Zimmerman too. I think the witness might have even been black.
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Male 196
Wonder how our half-white president feels about this?
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Male 132
I love trial-by-media in this country. The sheeple will flock to the left side of any perceived "racist" behavior, if not to only prove to those around them that they`re not racist. Also, last time I checked, Mexicans aren`t Caucasians. Why do they keep labeling it as white on black crime?
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Male 196
How can the color of your skin make you decide which side you are on? EVERY single black person on TV has said it`s been racism that caused the death and every single white person said it`s been self defense. Where do the Hispanics stand on this issue?
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Male 599
@LillianDulci And Zimmerman has evidence to support this while the prosecution appears to have none. Keep in mind there`s probably a good bit that we don`t know because generally these kinds of things aren`t a public spectacle.
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Male 1,008
"Like how Trayvon most likely felt threatened, right? "

he could have just as easily felt rage that a "white hispanic" was disrespecting him, way to speculate though!
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Male 599
@xiquiripat Once again, there isn`t any evidence that Z started the altercation. There HAS TO BE evidence AGAINST Z, not FOR M or against Z`s actions prior to the incident. Without clear evidence, it has to be assumed that this isn`t the case.
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Male 196
From the accounts I read, an EYE WITNESS saw Zimmerman on his back being pummelled and squeeling, begging for Martin to stop hitting him and THEN he shot. The Matrin supporters refuse to listen to this.
90% of all black people killed in the United states are killed by black people. Fox news....just now!
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Female 2,674
"You can make someone feel threatened without ever touching them."

Like how Trayvon most likely felt threatened, right?

"the burden isn`t on Z to prove that M was beating him to death, it`s on the prosecutor to prove that he wasn`t."
It is on Zimmerman to prove that he felt his life was being threatened to show that it was self defense.
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Male 599
@Usually, they have to have a lethal weapon to justify killing them when they haven`t touched you. The most common example and reasoning for these laws is when they have a gun point at or around you.
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Male 2,422
So Martin, who was chased down by a belligerent guy twice his size in the dark who didn`t identify himself and had no authority in any case, didn`t have any right to defend himself from Zimmerman, but Zimmerman totally acted in self-defense by shooting him. Right. The Stand Your Ground law applies to Martin too, he tried running first but that didn`t work because Zimmerman pursued. Bottom line, he killed that kid and if it isn`t murder it`s at least criminally negligent homicide.
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Male 599
@LillianDulci
It`s also just as likely that M knew the gun was there and either tried to take it from him or continued to beat him anyways. The point it we don`t know that information, that`s why we have a court system.

Also, the burden isn`t on Z to prove that M was beating him to death, it`s on the prosecutor to prove that he wasn`t. That`s how our system has and always will work.
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Male 6,227
I`ve gone in to work looking more roughed-up than Zimmerman does in this video. Just sayin`.
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Male 196
We should also take note that Florida is a right to carry state so having a gun on his is only illegal is he wasn`t registered to carry. Q:Did he have a license to carry? A: Yes. Was his life in danger? (TBD)
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Male 1,008
at what point can you use force? After you are incapacitated? You can make someone feel threatened without ever touching them.
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Male 196
I wouldn`t need a good lawyer. If my head was being slammed onto the concrete, I believe my life is in danger and I would be acting in self defense. when your brain rattles in your skull...you life is in grave danger!
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Female 2,674
@ivran and yuk

So if someone hits you once, you can shoot them dead? Keep in mind Trayvon was unarmed, so he wasn`t using a weapon on Zimmerman or showing Zimmerman that he had a gun or anything because he had nothing. Yes it`s possible to be beat to death, but it doesn`t appear as though Zimmerman was even close to being beat to death. It`s very likely that Zimmerman could have threatened Trayvon with the gun and got him to stop attacking while they waited for the police to arrive, rather than shooting him, because his life most likely wasn`t in immediate danger.
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