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  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 4:55 pm
    Link: Florida Democrat HQ Flies An `Obama Flag` - The question is, `How Sacred Is Your County`s Flag To You?`
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 5:00 pm
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    March 14, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    My guess is that it`s photoshopped. Not that I can tell via the pixels or anything. Just because, you know, damn!
  4. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    I do submit stuff OTHER than political, eh?
    But this is an interesting story; my caption, @Fancy`s description...

    Not shopped @smagboy! There`s a video too. Smart-*ss!
  5. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 5:14 pm
    SmagBoy1, nooope. I heard about it on local news. I still think it`s no big deal though. I don`t buy into "zomg sacred flag" bs. If people can wear clothes with flag print on them without getting any crap for it, why is something like this bad?
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 5:14 pm
    whats the difference in this or some chick stretching it over her tits and calling it a two piece?
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    March 14, 2012 at 5:15 pm
    I don`t care if you put George Washington`s face in the star field, doing that is just wrong!
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3275 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 5:17 pm
    The difference between this and clothes is that everyone knows the clothes are just clothes, and they are being worn as a sign of pride. Altering the flag, and then flying it as our flag, or alongside our flag, is what makes it wrong. If the person who did this had put it on a shirt, it would be perfectly OK.
  9. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 5:18 pm
    I agree @LillianDulci, a citizen has a right to wear a flag as clothing & etc.
    BUT: This is a political party`s HQ! What does it say about that party to fly such a flag?
    People get all worked up about the Confederate flag, iirc...
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 5:19 pm
    They can put Justin Bieber face instead of the Canadian maple leaf i dont give a crap
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    uatme Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2012 at 5:19 pm
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 5:20 pm
    I did tweak the caption a bit, just to get more info in there. 5Cats is not to blame for that.
  13. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 5:22 pm
    @5Cats - People get upset over the confederate flag not because it insults the USA, but because it`s been used to promote racist ideals.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 5:24 pm

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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 5:25 pm
    An "Obama having just chewed a thistle and realised it`s covered in dog piss" picture no less. Classy.
  16. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 5:36 pm
    Agreeing again @LillianDulci! It`s about what is represented by the `altered` flag that upset thsoe veterans. If the Obama flag had been flown on top of the `stars and stripes` THAT would have been even worse!
    lolz! @crabes, nice! Needs 57 corporations, one for every state eh? (I know! 50! It`s an Obama joke ok?)
    No worries @Fancy, your description works just fine for me.
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    OpsAss13 Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 5:44 pm
    Oops, I just submitted the video link for this. My bad. Just ignore it Fancy
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    March 14, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    @LillianDulci: The KKK normally carries 2 symbols, a Conderate flag and the Christian cross. What`s the difference?
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    Burgh Male 40-49
    300 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    We are watching you down South! You can no longer just hang a black man and get away with it!
  20. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 6:12 pm
    The only problem I have with this is that it`s tacky.
  21. Profile photo of Magickrat
    Magickrat Male 40-49
    535 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    Photoshopped. Not even a good photoshop job either...
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    I would approve that, just for the lol
  23. Profile photo of Buiadh
    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 6:29 pm
    Just looks daft. Nothing else wrong here.
  24. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 6:32 pm
    It`s not photoshopped. This is from a news story. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/obama-american-flag-lake-county-florida-veterans_n_1345468.html
  25. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 6:44 pm
    @Viking864: They have more symbols & flags than two, eh? Look Here

    @Magickrat:
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    @FoolsPrussia: That link didn`t work, and the HuffPost doesn`t even show the flag in question!
    They Link To This News Report which does though.
    Just fyi, eh?
  27. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    Lillian: The confederate battle flag isn`t about racism, it`s about southern pride. In fact all it is is a Scottish flag with 4 red triangles and stars added to it. Where is the hate in that ?

    I`m not saying that hate groups haven`t used the confederate flag, they have, but that`s not what the flag represents or ever represented.
  28. Profile photo of Liindsayy
    Liindsayy Female 13-17
    26 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    Who cares
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2012 at 7:00 pm
    If there is a rule against it then take it down. Not that big of a deal.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    They should take it down.
    Not because it`s in any way offensive, but because it`s just silly. A dumb idea.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2012 at 7:15 pm
    My county doesn`t have a flag.
  32. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2012 at 7:40 pm
    They did take it down actually, it`s shown in the video clip. And giving the lady there credit, she claimed responsibility and admitted it was a mistake.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    March 14, 2012 at 7:41 pm
    The confederate battle flag is all about racism....
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 14, 2012 at 7:45 pm
    mervviscious: I challenge you to prove that any symbol or pattern in the confederate battle flag is racist in any way.

    I know you can`t, because it isn`t. Just because some racists have used it, doesn`t make it inherently racist. Racists have used Old Glory and other national flags as well, that doesn`t make them racist either.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 7:54 pm
    Yeah, this was a mistake. Wrong, acknowledged as wrong, and the display was ceased.

    Americans as a whole do not understand proper flag reverence. Next July fourth, go to Wal-Mart and see how many American flag napkins you see - the flag printed on something meant to wipe mustard from a hot dog off of an obese child.....

    Here is the law - advisory (no penalty), but the rule of proper flag treatment nonetheless.

    4 U.S.C. Sec. 8(d) - "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. . . ."

    4 U.S.C. Sec. 89(i) " . . . It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. . . ."

    4 U.S.C. Sec. 8(j) - " . . . The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. . . ."

    People die for it. Remember that.
  36. Profile photo of Fatninja01
    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 8:02 pm
    meh...
  37. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2012 at 8:10 pm
    Well said @goaliejerry! Excellent points!

    I`d like to point out how it`s a `voluntary` code, eh? No need to chop off someone`s head if they wear a flag on a baseball cap!
    Even @uatme`s blatently offensive picture isn`t going to get anyone arrested!

    However: if you`re running a political party`s office, you should represent the will of the people and the rule of law. This particular Democrat office failed to do so, but did make things right in the end.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 8:11 pm
    "Just because some racists have used it, doesn`t make it inherently racist."

    Um, yeah, it does, to Americans.

    It’s racist because when people see it they think of slavery and racism. You argue, "it is not the flag`s fault, just those who used it," and you`re right, but it is indelibly, and FOREVER, linked with racism.

    It is as if you were to display a Swastika then become incredulous at those who equate it with the holocaust.

    "After all," CrakrJak would say, "it is well known that the Swastika has a long history as a symbol of the Sun, representing Lord Surya."

    If you fly a confederate flag with pride, you might as well wave a Nazi flag and argue "BUT HINDUS USE IT TO REPRESENT PEACE, and I mean PEACE with it!"

    But you would be a dumbf*ck to wave a Nazi flag for peace in western culture, just as people are dumbf*cks to naively wave the confederate flag as a symbol of "s
  39. Profile photo of patticakes
    patticakes Female 18-29
    463 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    No matter what our ethnic background, no matter what color our skin, no matter what our accent is the flag unites us as a nation. We are not a dictatorship—yet.
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    FizzyTittles Female 18-29
    11 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    ...I have no faith in America.
    I wonder how many people are going to burn this flag. lol
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 8:14 pm
    5 Cats - it is not mandatory, no penalty, but when I see some bimbo with an American flag g-string covering her likely herpes-laden labia, those who died on Iwo Jima deserved more respect than that.
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    mon360 Male 13-17
    735 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 8:38 pm
    OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-i dont care
  43. Profile photo of ExtraCredit
    ExtraCredit Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2012 at 8:40 pm
    Tore it right off Ted Nugent`s back and slapped Obama`s face on it. Treasonous democratic sacrilege.
  44. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 8:42 pm
    goaliejerry: The nazi flag is indeed racist and it is because of the swastika. There is no similar symbol in the confederate battle flag.

    The confederate battle flag is no more racist than any other national or state flag. I`ve even heard idiots try and say the Gadsden and Culpeper flags are racist and that`s just total crap.

    There is no symbol or pattern on the confederate battle flag that is racist, just as there is nothing racist with this flag,


    or this one.


    Both of these were used during the civil war as well as having been used by racists. Do you want them banned as well ?
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    Roland Male 30-39
    288 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 8:43 pm
    Oh who cares...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 8:46 pm
    Jerry: While I respect what you said, and I view it as correct, I have to say that it`s not entirely accurate.

    You will never see an ACTUAL American flag used as clothing, or drapery, or napkins, or a g-string. You will see a representation of the flag, or the colors of the flag, but never an actual flag.

    What you`re talking about, and what is actually illegal, is someone physically taking a properly made flag, of the proper dimensions, and using all of it to make these things. Larry Flynt did it once. He turned an actual flag into a diaper. He spent the night in jail for it too.

    In short, having a symbol that represents an American Flag on a shirt, and using an American flag as a shirt, are two different things.

    Back on topic, this person (who made the Obama flag) should be tried for treason.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
    2423 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 8:51 pm
    The confederate flag may not be racist being the flag of traitors is bad enough.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 8:57 pm
    "The confederate flag may not be racist being the flag of traitors is bad enough."

    The South was exercising their constitutional right to secede. The Union was unconstitutional in attacking them for it.

    Learn history.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    March 14, 2012 at 9:21 pm
    Liindsayy-"Who cares"

    Many do.

    I mean, MSNBC was ready to make a federal caseof Sarah Palin having a flag painted on her bus (didn`t seem to bother them that Obama`s bus had them too...an oversight, I`m sure).

    So, being the `fair` media that they are, I`m sure they`ll be ALL over this story in
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  50. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 9:23 pm
    Aj there is no right to secede. And the South started the war by shelling Fort Sumter. If you ever need a reminder of why there is no right to secede and the Constitution isn`t enough, I`ve got one word for you- Gettysburg.

    You oughtta follow your own advice.

    Also this dude is using his freedom of expression, no more no less. To charge him of Treason is astoundingly stupid, fighting to dissolve the Union isn`t Treason but flying a decorative novelty flag is? You southerner`s sure got some funny ideas down there...
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    clockwork208 Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    Don`t bother wasting the keystrokes. To these people and their supporters, unless you are a straight, white and christian male, you are sub-par. They`ll spout their opinions all day and night, touting them as fact, until they are blue in the face, no matter how silly they might look for it. And they DO look silly.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    Zira: The South shelled Fort Sumner, because it was a Union army on Confederate land. They were asked, and given time to leave.

    They were occupying a foreign land.
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    clockwork208 Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    So silly :D
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    March 14, 2012 at 9:32 pm
    I`m gonna agree w/ you Clockwork208, eventually they`ll win their very own Darwin Award with an application filled out and delivered personally by themselves.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 9:34 pm
    The liberals will die from government mandated life far before that.
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
    646 posts
    March 14, 2012 at 10:27 pm
    Hey, those guys fought so we could all have free speech, unless they disagree with us.

    It`s idolatry, I`m tellin` ya!!
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 10:30 pm
    why does anyone care about this?

    oh right, a chance to take a swing at a political rival.

    call me when you want to take on the real issues like, jobs, economy, wars, etc.

    until then you are all a bunch of tards fighting over who is more tarded.
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2012 at 10:44 pm
    Kinda dumb. Talk about "over saturation".
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2012 at 11:16 pm
    Ugh, who cares
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    March 15, 2012 at 12:35 am
    Two party system mentality; Dumb and Dumber
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    bataleon27 Male 18-29
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    March 15, 2012 at 1:52 am
    IT`S JUST A dratING FLAG. IT`S JUST A dratING COUNTRY. People need to get over themselves, stop being so damn patriotic.
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    lifeavoidit Male 30-39
    267 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 2:30 am
    It`s a flag get over it. Some people just look for a fight.
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    alsobored Male 18-29
    347 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 3:43 am
    Wow, isn`t that a bit disrespectful?
    I`d be outraged if I were an American.
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    keith2 Male 18-29
    2587 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 3:49 am
    My county`s flag has a genie lamp looking thing on it.
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    Ilikelogic Male 40-49
    550 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 4:48 am
    TSDC (To stupid, don`t comment)
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
    1677 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 5:11 am
    Its scary that the some of the people commenting on this forum get votes that have a say in who rules the most powerful nation on Earth. Its ridiculous that people with the mentalities of school children should be allowed a say in anything let alone this. All you do is argue about absolutely drat all. Its just a flag, you see people from other nations waving flags with faces of footballers printed on them at every single international match and noone gives a drat. Now somehow this has turned into a debate about the American Civil War. Christ!!!


    And apparently the Muslims were being stupid for getting upset about a few books being destroyed ...
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    madest Male 40-49
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    March 15, 2012 at 5:41 am
    This is America. You`re free to burn the flag if you want. Get over yourself. Because you wouldn`t, doesn`t mean you love your country more than those who would. All these nutjob republicans getting their panties wadded over this probably never spent a minute in the military. Their love of country is faux.
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
    1045 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 5:43 am
    My county`s flag is pretty unremarkable, but I love it.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 15, 2012 at 5:44 am
    You don`t put someones face on a flag that`s dictator s**t!!
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    tobyvictory Male 70 & Over
    407 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 5:52 am
    "And apparently the Muslims were being stupid for getting upset about a few books being destroyed ..." - paddy215

    LOL! 4 stars for paddy215!
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    Magickrat Male 40-49
    535 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 5:58 am
    @5 Cats - First off let me say that you have THE BEST avatar in all of IAB, hands down.

    Now, let`s get to the meat. How is my views considered trolling? Did I say anything bad? Did I curse out anybody? Say something racist? Something derogatory? Am I on here all the time posting on every single page? I`m pretty sure THAT`s the definition of trolling. What I did was simply state my opinion & move on. Perhaps, you should take a page from my book.

    I really do dig your avatar though. Makes me smile...
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    March 15, 2012 at 6:50 am
    Sacred enough to be taller than all others.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3284 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 6:51 am
    I you remove the stars from the field then not american flag
  74. Profile photo of Zeegrr60
    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2105 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 6:53 am
    The confederate flag is not racist. The idiots why fly it are.
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    Beauxner Male 30-39
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    March 15, 2012 at 7:06 am
    Ron Paul 2012
  76. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 15, 2012 at 7:38 am
    @madest: the people who objected were Veterans. Epic fail! Even if you`re refering to IABers, it`s still a fail since you assume things based on your own bigotry.
    @paddy: you falsely equivelate "asking to take the fake flag down" with burning, rioting and murder. Hint: the two responses are in no way equal! Thus one (rioting & murder) IS INDEED stupid while the other (asking) is quite reasonable.
    Not in the `liberal` brain apparently.
    @magickrat: Thanks! An internet friend made it for me. It`s a gif actually. Yours is cool to, esp since youngsters won`t know what it is!
    Honest question: is it magick-rat or magic-krat?
    Why Trolling: Saying it`s shopped, when the video CLEARLY shows it to be real, means: A)you didn`t even glance at the article or B)you`re `joking` in an effort to get a rise out of your opponents. Both count as trolling, IMHO.
    Nothing wrong with a LITTLE trolling, but don`t be shocked if you get troll-sprayed for it!
  77. Profile photo of ivran
    ivran Male 18-29
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    March 15, 2012 at 8:36 am
    Zira: The civil war started because Abraham Lincoln was a terrible president.
  78. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 15, 2012 at 9:08 am
    ivran: Wrong, The civil war started because of John Brown, he tried to start a slave revolt.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    March 15, 2012 at 10:00 am
    The Democrat bitc# was clearly looking to start s#it, and she got s#it in return.
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    Magickrat Male 40-49
    535 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 10:29 am
    @ 5 cats...
    I honestly had no idea there WAS a video. I only saw the picture. Believe me, I had no intentions of trolling. My apologies if that`s the way it came out...

    And it`s Magickrat. All one word. It`s actually from the Bruce Springsteen song Jungle Land. "...and the Magic Rat drove his sleek machine over the Jersey state line..." I added the K to Magic to make it more Wiccan. (My wife`s a witch. And she`s wiccan too. LoL) That was my CB handle forever ago. (I`m dating myself now, ain`t I)
  81. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 10:31 am
    Ivran- My 5 dollar bill and Mt. Rushmore bed to differ.

    Paddy215- Yeah we`re talking about the Civil War, it`s one of those fascinating side discussions that often happen in these threads, and if you don`t like it we may just invade a European nation to vent our frustrations on you...I`m lookin` at you Belgium. *Snake eyes*
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 10:32 am
    *beg
  83. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 11:21 am
    @Magickrat: Ah, i c! One word, and you didn`t notice the "clicky-clicky" in the posting. I withdraw my trolling accusation, sorry about that.
    Luckily, troll-spray washes of easily...

    "5 dollar bill & Mount Rushmore bed"
    Ooo! The mental image that evokes! o_O Me gusta!
  84. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 11:25 am
    Because Abe Lincoln was screwing over the rebel scum? Yeah I`ll go with that :-)
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
    3148 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 12:03 pm
    Crackr, I wouldn`t exactly say John Brown was the exact cause to the Civil War; it certainly didn`t help though.

    No it was more about propaganda and lies being spread.
    The south thought that the north wanted a total abolition of slavery and to have no slavery in new states at all, when in reality more people wanted a steady decline in slavery.

    The north thought that their states` rights would be impeded upon by the Supreme Court, whose members were all from the south. They thought that if a slave was brought to Pennsylvania, for example, the slave should be automatically freed, but the slave owner could bring it before the Supreme Court and they would rule in favor of the slave owner, thusly bringing slavery back into the north unchallenged.

    It really was caused by one man trying to negotiate with both parties causing a snowball effect. I can`t for the life of me remember his name but if I remember or find it, I`ll report back.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    Funny duckboy, I seem to remember something about slavery being prohibited at a certain number of degrees of lat.- longitude long before Lincoln and the South was terrified that most of all the new states would be Free states and not enough would be Slave thereby losing critical representation for slaver`s interests. Oh and don`t forget each of the confederate states own reasons for secession candidly put forth in each of their secession documents- beginning w/ South Carolina.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    @madest: the people who objected were Veterans. Epic fail! Even if you`re refering to IABers, it`s still a fail since you assume things based on your own bigotry. ----------
    Well the vets that complained are retarded. Part the whole "fighting for your country" thing doesn`t have a clause about the flag. Barack Obama`s presidency was a watershed event in our country and as such is something a free people would want to celebrate. What`s wrong vets? U MAD?? I would love to see those racist veterans faces when they hear we`re gonna carve Obama`s head onto Mt. Rushmore.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25408 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    wow
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 1:12 pm
    @madest: Oh yeah, race! It was all about racism! After all, hundreds of Republican HQs flew flags with Bush`s picture replacing the stars, right?

    Until you find video of that, plz be quiet and let the grown-ups talk.

    *snort* You obviously don`t understand that a "watershed event" can be a BAD thing... so I agree! Electing someone based entirely on skin colour WAS a watershed event.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    March 15, 2012 at 1:33 pm
    5Cats, Are you retarded? I mean really. You should get yourself checked out. There`s no harm no foul here. You don`t like it? Who cares? I see nothing wrong with this. I called the vets racist because they`ve proven themselves stupid and researchers have determined just recently (what I`ve known for decades) that conservative republicans are more likely to be of low IQ and racist. There is no crime here. If this were the Iranian flag and it took place in Iran? Then perhaps the makers would need to look out. But this is America Land of the (supposed to be) Free!
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    bophus Male 30-39
    472 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    @5cats,

    What your jaded mind is failing to questions is how many southern white folks do you think didnt vote for Obama because of his race. This card works both ways, but it doesnt support your argument, so it doesnt matter...right?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 1:59 pm
    @madest: must you bring the isults EVERY time? Isn`t that a banhammer offence? You get shown up & you FLING insults like a zoo-chimp flinging poo! It`s truely pathetic for ANY IABer, especially so for a "mod". Get over yourself! Admit you were wrong and move on...

    @bophus: Only one side plays the `race` issue, that`s the Dems. Never once has a Republican OR Tea Party person even HINTED that race was an issue. Never.
    Also: my mind is made of Topaz, not `jade`...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    @madest did you even watch the video?
    YES there is no "crime" here! No one said there was!
    Some Vets ASKED that the `altered` flag be removed out of respect, and the lady did so.
    @GoalieJerry posted the relevant `rules` regarding US Flags, it`s been discussed, did you bother to read this thread before spewing your hatred?
    Race? Never once an issue, except for liberals, apparently.
    As I said, show me the Bush-Flags flying outside Republican HQs or STFU.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    Lincoln abolished slavery in the southern states, but it was still legal in the north.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    People tend to overlook that Lincoln abolished slavery in part to stop England from suppling the Confederacy with weapons. That`s right UK you in part supported slavery during our civil war.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    so he`s a fan of obama. so what. if you change the american flag it`s no longer the american flag thus it can not be considered defiling the american flag.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
    1677 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 4:35 pm
    "@paddy: you falsely equivelate "asking to take the fake flag down" with burning, rioting and murder. Hint: the two responses are in no way equal! Thus one (rioting & murder) IS INDEED stupid while the other (asking) is quite reasonable.
    Not in the `liberal` brain apparently."

    No, I likened getting irrationally upset about someone defacing a piece of a paper to getting irrationally upset about someone defacing a piece of cotton. The two reasons for acting like you`re on your period are exactly the same, my good friend, (has half the brain capacity of one let alone) 5cats.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 4:51 pm
    Indeed. It`s nothing more than a symbol.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5387 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 4:58 pm
    @madest

    What a d|ck you are. Calling veterans who only want respect for the country they fought for ignorant racists. That is lower than low. You`re pretty much scum to make that statement. You ought to be ashamed of your self -- have you no scruples at all?

    You don`t like this country, her vets, and her freedoms? Get the hell out.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 5:04 pm
    Why do veterans get a free pass to do or say whatever they want without question? Being veterans doesn`t mean they can`t be racists or something...
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    InTheNameOf Male 30-39
    335 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 5:37 pm
    not very. its just a scrap of fabric.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 6:13 pm
    @TDKMaster: read the article or watch the video, it was flown outside of the Democrat HQ in a town.

    @LillianDulci: The veterans ASKED politely for it to be taken down as it disrespects the proper American flag. No one (except the Democrat lady) called the cops. No one started fires, smashed windows or threateded bodily harm.

    @paddy: "period smack" oh, how intelligent of you!
    IAB ladies, is this OK with you?
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    Spear Male 18-29
    36 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm
    Do you f*cking keyboard warriors have anything better to do?
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    5Cats, I never said that they did any of that stuff o_O I was responding to elkingo`s oh my god you insulted veterans how dare you post.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 7:11 pm
    Well, @LillianDulci, @madest called them names based on his own bigotry, not from anything in the story, eh? I was wondering what on earth you were talking about!
    No one`s giving them a `free pass` on anything! Since they never did or said anything wrong, why jump all over them?

    @Spear: Do you?
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    March 15, 2012 at 8:28 pm
    @QueenZira You`re telling me that your 5 dollar bill says that ignoring the constitution and overstepping your bounds as president is a good thing to do?

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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5387 posts
    March 16, 2012 at 5:53 am
    @LillianDulci

    That was targeted at me? I thought you were just making a random statement of bias and ignorance. Okay.

    I think 5Cats summed it up best. There is simply no evidence that the vets are racists at all. Madest is making that assumption. I find it absolutely revolting that he does so, and furthermore a utter disrespect to the servicemen who defended our country.

    Typically when you start calling someone a racist, it is based on something racist that they did.

    BTW -- Defending and loving our country: not a basis for racism.
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
    740 posts
    March 16, 2012 at 6:13 am
    I think madest pulls the race card because he is incapable of presenting a logical argument. Typical lefty B.S.

    Maybe Madest can provide some solid evidence the next time he pulls the race card like membership in the black panthers or the kkk.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    March 16, 2012 at 7:04 am
    @elkingo - I can`t speak for madest for why he said that, but I was responding to how you said if we don`t like our vets, we should get out. You and many other people make it seem like we have to worship the ground that vets walk on or else we`re horrible anti-American people. Vets are average people like you and me, some of them are racist, some of them are sexist, some of them are homophobic, some of them are downright horrible people. I`m not going to blindly worship people I don`t even know simply for doing their job, even though I appreciate what they`ve done for our country.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5387 posts
    March 16, 2012 at 7:34 pm
    LillianDulci, I said "like" our vets.

    Liking something, and worshiping something... well that is two entirely different things.

    To be as clear as possible: our veterans deserve our utmost respect. Our flag deserves nothing but honor and respect.

    It is cowardly and disrespectful to dishonor either by making asinine assumptions about what motives someone has for honoring either.

    I hope that clears things up.

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