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52 Responses to Chinese Cop Save Woman From Bridge Jump Suicide

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    March 3, 2012 at 10:43 am
    Link: Chinese Cop Save Woman From Bridge Jump Suicide - Oh yeah, she was holding her baby at the time. Good job, mom.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 11:03 am
    I don`t know anything about this besides this video, but there`s a chance that whatever was going to cause her to commit suicide, she felt would harm her child too (thus taking the kid with her).
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    koffymasheen Female 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 11:12 am
    Rip the baby out of her arms and shove her over.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 11:19 am
    get the child, push her over.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    March 3, 2012 at 11:23 am
    Postpartum depression is a Hell of a thing. If more women were warned and help was made available, there would be a lot less issues like this.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 3, 2012 at 11:26 am
    Wow. Dire straights or a screwed up mind to contemplate this.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 3, 2012 at 11:30 am
    Parents who commit suicide often kill their kids as well, messed up but they believe it`s the right thing to do.

    It`s nice that regular folks also stepped up to help! Hope for humanity after all.
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    pajogu Male 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 11:31 am
    The fucck I don`t give jumped like 30 seconds before she tried.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 3, 2012 at 11:37 am
    @Lillian: While I almost always agree with you, this may be the exception. I find it impossible to understand how a parent could include a child in an attempted suicide--even considering the delusions of mental illness. I`m all about understanding. But killing your own child is an inexcusably evil act.

    One of the most infamous examples of the above that comes to mind is that of Joseph Goebbels and what he and his wife did to their six children when it became clear the Nazis were doomed. (Story here under the "Defeat and Death" section: a characteristically evil last act of one of the most evil men of all time.)

    Yes, perhaps the woman on the bridge was completely out of touch with reality and had no idea whatsoever what she was doing. If that`s the case, I suppose I should forgive her, but it`s a tall order.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 11:45 am
    @Squrlz4Sale - I`m not trying to justify it, but it doesn`t necessarily make her a bad mom because you do not know her situation or mental state. I know someone who loves her kids unconditionally, but who would have probably killed herself and her kids if they ended up in the care of someone who she knew was going to severely harm them. At the time, she felt it`d be better for them to die peacefully than to suffer through that. Now thankfully, it didn`t have to come to that. But she was in no way evil for having thoughts like that. She would have been doing what she thought was in the best interest of her kids. I`m not saying that`s the case for this mom, I`m just saying we don`t have enough info to know.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 3, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    @Lillian: Interesting observations there about the woman you`re describing. But I think we do have a difference of opinion on this matter. My thinking:

    (1) Evil does exist as an entity or force in this world. One encounters it seldom, but I don`t think it responds to compassion or understanding, unfortunately.

    (2) I think evil is a matter of actions, not thoughts. (Although cultivating evil thoughts can lead to evil actions.)

    (3) A mother who attempts to kill her own child is, in my view, a "bad mom" regardless of what she was thinking. Either she was incompetent by reason of insanity or consciously committing an evil act. In either case, I think the child should be removed from the parent for his or her sake. And while I wouldn`t rule out ever returning the child to the parent`s care, that would need to be a very rare exception. Basically, in my view, you try to kill your child, you`ve forfeited all rights as a parent.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    Squrlz4Sale, but would a mother be evil for killing their child because the mother lost custody and the father severely abuses (physically/sexually/mentally) the child and no law enforcement would listen to the mother? I find it really hard to talk in absolutes. If you look at a situation and strip away any of the reasons for that situation happening, you might come to a very different conclusion than if you knew all of the details.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 3, 2012 at 12:32 pm
    Lillian, I agree that absolutes are generally a bad idea. But I`m willing to make some exceptions to that maxim for really extreme situations, and a mother or father killing a child falls into that extreme category.

    If a mother and child are in a locked box with no hope of escape and a monster is about to begin torturing the child horribly until death, yes, I could see a loving and good parent taking the life of the child.

    The custody situation you describe has some of the elements of that scenario. But it doesn`t pass the bar, in my opinion (at least based on what I know at this point). In the vast majority of instances, there are just too many possibilities for an acceptable resolution for any normal parent to conclude that filicide (new word: just learned it!) is the answer. After all, it sounds like the situation you`ve described did turn out acceptably.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    March 3, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    Damn... thats messed up. Good cop is good tho
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    forestq Female 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    Wow, that is incredibly sad. I hope this poor woman gets some help. :/
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    March 3, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    wtf was she thinking, and then i`m like....oh, she lives in china.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    I wonder if the baby was a girl.
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    kittehdee29 Female 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    It was refreshing to see other civilians rushing to the aid of the cop and mother/child. I feel like it`s a rare thing to see.
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    MightyPeanut Male 30-39
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    March 3, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    for someone trying to kill herself she sure took her damn time climbing down 3 feet...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 3, 2012 at 3:38 pm
    Probably works at Foxconn, Apple`s company in China.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 3, 2012 at 3:47 pm
    @CJ: I was thinking the same thing, I`m afraid. I hope we`re wrong.
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    snuffy2009 Male 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 5:29 pm
    WTF Squrlz? Comparing this woman whom you know nothing about to Hitlers right hand man? You should know better than to mock the holocaust.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 3, 2012 at 5:55 pm
    @snuffy2009: "Mock the Holocaust"? Excuse me?

    Please reread my post because, giving you the benefit of the doubt in terms of intelligence, you appear to have misread it. (Either that, or you`re trolling.)

    But to be clear: I consider filicide a supremely evil act. One of the worst instances of it that I know of, and that confirms my opinion that it is an evil act, is the case of Joseph Goebbels. If you think I compared his act of filicide to the Holocaust, or the woman in this video to Goebbels, you`re mistaken.
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    snuffy2009 Male 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 6:06 pm
    Squirlz, i have re-read your posts and no, i am not mistaken. What joseph did cannot be seperated from the holocaust because it was a direct result of the holocaust. Comparing a woman who is about to commit suicide with her baby in her arms to a man such as joseph is not right. Basically you are talking in absolutes and you admit it, yet you change your mind for certain exceptions? So you have exceptions on your exception? Maybe if you researched and had a valid source for your ramblings i would agree with you, but for now i have agree with lillian . Bunching people into catagories is never a good thing.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    March 3, 2012 at 6:20 pm
    @Snuffy: Frankly, at this particular moment, I`m undecided as to whether I should converse further with you. You`re either trolling or more than a little stupid and prone to making inflammatory charges based on your own inability to think clearly.

    In either case, engaging you in a dialogue is likely to be a waste of my time.
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    snuffy2009 Male 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    @Squrlz: Attacking someones character based on your own faulty logic is never a good thing either.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 3, 2012 at 7:17 pm
    @Snuffy: Well, it`s clear to me now you aren`t trolling, alas. That would have a happier outcome because at some point you`d say "Gotcha," I`d laugh, and we`d move on.

    But no, your woolly thinking isn`t an act. It`s too convoluted for that. But I digress.

    Let`s just limit this, for now, to your last post. "Attacking someones character based on your own faulty logic is never a good thing either." Are you referring to yourself, for having claimed erroneously that I was "mocking the Holocaust"? Because that`s the only notable attack on character, based on weak logic, that our thread has witnessed.
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    snuffy2009 Male 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 8:57 pm
    @ squrlz: My aim was to make you think i wasn`t trolling before i actually said i was....


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    cubzrulz23 Male 18-29
    61 posts
    March 3, 2012 at 9:00 pm
    I took an online class at the university of phoenix on negotiating, im gunna need a priest and a bull horn. Theres a lot of good things in life living for like uhhhh Soda POP, a big fresh can of soda POP, im not gunna lie to you asian lady, people are starting to murmur that you dont have the balls to do it. I say u CAN do it! I mean I dont want you to jump im just saying you have the capability... O LOOK SHES FLYING... false alarm cop stopped it
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 3, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    @Snuffy: Seriously, you were trolling? Really?! DARN it, you *so* got me.

    ~throws self on ground and screams into the turf a bit~ *AUUUUUUGH*

    Sheesh. Well, it`s all good I guess. Now I don`t have put any asterisks or footnotes on my admiration of Australians. They`re still awesome (albeit mischievous).

    I need a scotch. LOL.
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    snuffy2009 Male 18-29
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    March 3, 2012 at 9:44 pm
    @ squrlz: i`m hitting up the goon bag as we speak.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 3, 2012 at 10:06 pm
    "(3) A mother who attempts to kill her own child is, in my view, a "bad mom" regardless of what she was thinking."

    There are fates worse than death. I won`t condemn her without knowing their situation.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 3, 2012 at 11:31 pm
    @Draculya: I have to ask this because I think a lot of people are being affected by the obvious distress of the mother in this video (which is painful to watch, admittedly).

    Let`s say a father comes home from work, takes his shotgun out of his pickup, walks into the house, and then blows the head off his 5-month-old boy sleeping in the crib before turning the gun on himself.

    We`d have the same situation as what this mother was attempting: murder-suicide by parent.

    Would you be saying, in that situation, "He *could* be a good father. And I won`t condemn his actions until we know the circumstances."?

    If it`s different, how so?
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    March 4, 2012 at 3:35 am
    was that stephen segal?!?
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    snuffy2009 Male 18-29
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    March 4, 2012 at 4:46 am
    @ squlz:n OMG STOP PLEASE
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    March 4, 2012 at 8:12 am
    I won`t condemn her without knowing their situation.
    @Draculya

    I WILL. She had her child in her hands, she IS a bad mom.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    March 4, 2012 at 8:22 am
    @zombunny more than likely was a girl
    ...because China

    @Squirlz
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 4, 2012 at 8:26 am
    Would you be saying, in that situation, "He *could* be a good father. And I won`t condemn his actions until we know the circumstances."?

    Yes.
  39. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 4, 2012 at 9:04 am
    @Lillian: I`m wondering if I`ve gotten under your skin because I`m struggling to imagine the scenario you`re signing up for.

    Local News Anchor: "In a horrific act of violence tonight, a Philadelphia father blew the head off his 5-month old infant son with his shotgun before taking his own life."

    Cut to clip of neighbor, Lillian Dulci: "Let`s not be so judgmental. He was a good father going through a rough time."

    All kidding aside, if such an act doesn`t strike you as evil, what does?
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    March 4, 2012 at 9:24 am
    Addenda:

    (1) Lillian, I admire your ability to discuss every topic under the Sun dispassionately and intelligently. You are mature beyond your 20-something years. Truly, if we were co-judges on a case of a parent murdering a child, I`d probably recuse myself and put my faith in you. A mother or father murdering their own child is a hot-button topic for me that affects me viscerally. I have a hard time *not* responding emotionally.

    (2) Sorry, Snuffy, but it`s a major part of what we do on this site: discuss controversial topics, preferably without rancor or personal attacks. I don`t always live up to that standard (your Holocaust charge, albeit a troll, really rankled me); but I like to try and I get a lot of neural stimulation from most of these discussions. I hope Lillian feels the same.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 4, 2012 at 9:33 am
    "All kidding aside, if such an act doesn`t strike you as evil, what does?"

    I can`t see something as evil without knowing the intent. What you just mentioned was similar to a situation I heard recently from a place not far from me.

    Father looses custody of his children through divorce. I have no idea why he has no custody, but he does have visitation. He goes for his normal visitation, but locks the person who went with him outside. He then proceeds to kill his children (maybe his ex-wife too? I can`t remember but probably) and then himself.

    My first reaction was the obvious reaction, that the situation was absolutely horrible and it`s a tragic loss.

    Then I thought about it, "I wonder what brought him to do that?". If it`s simply because he doesn`t have custody of his kids, then yes it was an evil act. But I have no way of knowing his reasons. Maybe he knew his kids were being severely abused by his ex-wife. I can`t judge him as ev
  42. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 4, 2012 at 9:40 am
    I can`t judge him as evil without knowing. He could have had severe mental problems, which also wouldn`t make him evil (it`s something he has no control over, you can`t be evil when it`s something you have no control over imo).

    As for your response to snuffy, I do feel the same. I did stop responding to you though (then figured I would continue again) because it seemed like we weren`t going to come to any sort of agreement and would continue going in circles. I still doubt we will. I`ll go back and respond to one thing though:

    "After all, it sounds like the situation you`ve described did turn out acceptably."
    The situation turned out fine because the mother got 100% custody and the father only got visitation if the mother approved of it. She had to give up pretty much everything she owned to the father to ensure he wouldn`t try to get custody because she was so afraid of him raising her kids.
  43. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 4, 2012 at 10:07 am
    "Do I think the Chinese woman in this video is evil? No, I don`t. Do I think her attempt to murder her own child is evil, whether done for reasons of insanity, stress, or character flaw? Absolutely. "

    But why? You don`t know her reasons. If she was trying to kill herself and her child because she was trying to avoid a situation *worse than death* and she tried every other possibility to avoid the situation, I honestly can`t see how it`s evil. Death isn`t the worst thing that can happen to someone.
  44. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 4, 2012 at 10:08 am
    @Lillian: I think a lot of what I`m wrestling with, in this discussion, is the nature of Evil. It`s a term that`s seldom used in educated conversation because it smacks of religious fundamentalism. But I do think evil exists in this world as an entity unto itself.

    Do I think the Chinese woman in this video is evil? No, I don`t. Do I think her attempt to murder her own child is evil, whether done for reasons of insanity, stress, or character flaw? Absolutely.

    I think of evil as some kind of pathological meme that can be passed from one person or society to another by evil acts. Example: The adult who was sexually abused as a child who then goes on to abuse children. Some people`s lives are so full of evil acts it seems their only spirit of animation is evil itself. Others live normal or even admirable lives that are punctuated by evil acts, large or small.

    Not sure, at the moment, where this is headed....
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 4, 2012 at 10:09 am
    (Sorry! just reversed our last two posts because I deleted and reposted to fix a typo. OCD, don`t you know? =^.^=)
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 4, 2012 at 10:15 am
    @Lillian: Just about the only situation of a mother killing an infant daughter that I can think of that isn`t evil would be one where the daughter was suffering a horrible and mortal disease or injury. If I had a child suffering from terminal cancer and he or she was in debilitating pain, I would consider euthanasia as a possible act of compassion.

    But that hardly looks to be the situation in this video.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 4, 2012 at 10:35 am
    It`s np, I responded too quick I guess xD

    "But that hardly looks to be the situation in this video."
    All you can see in the video is a mother holding her child about to commit suicide. You know nothing about the situation. You seem to be agreeing with me now though, you have to know the situation to be able to judge.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 4, 2012 at 10:38 am
    LOL. Okay, you win.

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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    March 4, 2012 at 10:41 am
    ~offers his best acorn~
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 4, 2012 at 10:55 am
    What a kind gesture, Squrlz :3
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    britt566 Female 18-29
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    March 4, 2012 at 11:42 am
    If you`re going to kill your baby to save them from something worse than death, why do it by drowning? Can you imagine the sounds? That`s a pretty selfish and painful way to kill.

    = evil.
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    kinky_afr0 Male 18-29
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    March 4, 2012 at 11:36 pm
    then they shot her in the head

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