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101 Responses to 911 Calls From Neighborhood Watch Shooting

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    madest Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 8:37 am
    Link: 911 Calls From Neighborhood Watch Shooting - Released. Seems the whole neighborhood called the cops in response to the cries for help. More calls at the link below.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 8:57 am
    I like how they use his little league picture as a way to paint his innocence, I`m sure the first picture of him in a hoodie was much more relevant to the situation.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 18, 2012 at 8:59 am
    Where is Crakr`s gas video?
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    March 18, 2012 at 9:00 am
    They better arrest this man
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    March 18, 2012 at 9:02 am
    @darkmagic14n What...he was a black boy in a grey hoodie...is that good enough for this man to follow him and then shoot him dead? The boy had no weapon and this man was looking to use his gun...he wanted to. Where is the 911 call from him after he shot him??
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 9:14 am
    auburnjunky: I`m betting it got deleted by Madest AJ.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 9:17 am
    Sanford is a little more than 1/2 an hour from me, and I`ve been in that neighborhood a few times to serve legal documents. It`s a decent area with low crime rates. (just a bit of backgound) Also, you haven`t heard the 911 call made by Zimmerman himself, but the 911 operator tells him NOT to confront the kid as they are sending units to the neighborhood, and yet he did anyway. He`s a cop wanna-be who has a history of acting like a cop, and yet he`s the one with the arrest record. (assault)
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 18, 2012 at 9:18 am
    That`s what I was thinking Crakr.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 9:18 am
    "I`m sure the first picture of him in a hoodie was much more relevant to the situation."

    The reports are that the boy had no criminal history at all and the guy who shot the kid had at one time been charged with assault on a police officer. Prejudiced much darkmagic?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 18, 2012 at 9:19 am
    So much for free speech. Oh wait he`s a liberal.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 18, 2012 at 9:37 am
    So there was a loud confrontation, then a single shot.
    Those two `lawyers` appear to have no grasp on reality at all. "No interaction"? So why were all those people calling 911? "Warning shot"? All the calls at the link say 1 shot, not two.
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    alsobored Male 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 9:38 am
    Wow, that`s pretty shocking.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 18, 2012 at 9:41 am
    Both sides get free speech in liberalland @auburnjunky! Liberals AND Leftists can talk all they want!
    Conservatives? No one wants to hear what they have to say!

    Also this is still a tragic story, compounded now by witch-hunting lawyers.

    Thanks @madest for the update!
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    March 18, 2012 at 9:41 am
    Just when you think CA has the highest concentration of useless people along comes FL.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:03 am
    The 911 calls from Zimmerman
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:04 am
    "No interaction" - He worded it poorly, but the police were saying they were fighting and zimmerman (who was following him unnecessarily and caused any kind of conflict completely on his own) was acting in self defense. In the audio, you can hear the kid calling help, but it doesn`t sound like he`s actually harming zimmerman right before zimmerman pulls the trigger.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:05 am

    The family of course want the killer punished because they will never admit their "baby" was up to shenanigans and was responsible for his own death.

    If there had been wrongdoing on the Zimmerman`s part, the police would surely arrest him because of all the media attention this is getting. Seems like Zimmerman didn`t don anything wrong.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:17 am
    In the first call, you can clearly hear him say "these ass holes always get away" and then following the kid even after the 911 dispatcher tells him not to. In the last call, a witness says the kid was down on the ground calling for help, and THEN there was a loud noise like a gunshot.

    This was murder.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:19 am
    Gerry: "Seems like Zimmerman didn`t don anything wrong."

    It seems he may have shot the kid after he was down. In my opinion, that`s wrong.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:32 am
    "they will never admit their "baby" was up to shenanigans"

    And what shenanigans was that Gerry? Carrying Ice tea? Walking in the rain? I have seen no reports this kid was up to anything except going home. If you have different info please share.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:35 am

    "It seems he may have shot the kid after he was down. In my opinion, that`s wrong"
    If there were any proof of that, they would certainly arrest the guy, wouldn`t they.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:37 am
    jtrebowski: According to the report the shot happened `point blank` with gunshot residue on Martin`s arms. No word yet on the trajectory of the bullet. But the evidence so far shows there was a struggle for control of Zimmerman`s gun. Zimmerman`s back was wet and he was covered in grass as if he had been on the ground. He was bleeding from his nose and the back of the head, he was treated by paramedics at the scene.

    Logic would dictate that if the kid was running away he wouldn`t get shot in the chest, point blank, and wouldn`t be partially holding the gun at the time, Zimmerman also wouldn`t have trauma to the back of his head, nose, and a wet grass stained back.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:39 am
    Some psycho just chased you, managed to catch up to you, and is holding a gun to you, and you`re just going to not try anything to get away? Such as trying to grab his gun before he can kill you?
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:41 am
    And it`s not an assumption that he was running away, Zimmerman even said he was running and Zimmerman was chasing after him. Apparently at some point Zimmerman caught up, but that didn`t mean the kid didn`t try to get away when he saw him following him.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:42 am
    @5Cats - Nothing indicates that Trayvon went up to Zimmerman. Zimmerman thought Trayvon looked suspicious and was following him. When you listen to Zimmerman`s 911 call you`ll have a better idea of what happened.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:46 am
    Excellent @jtrowboski, thanks for that link! I`m listening to it now.

    Zimmerman was in his car, and Trayvon came up to his car? Then ran away?
    For certain the dispatcher told him to not follow.
    So far the first and the third links at @jt`s link are the most informative.
    Sorry @LillianDulci I deleted and updated: In Zimmerman`s 911 call he`s describing the actions of Trayvon to the dispatcher, from inside his truck!
    In the 3rd 911 call you can hear someone screaming, THEN a shot is fired.

    It may well be Zimmerman did something illegal, but there`s no evidence of it so far. Wrong? yes I`d say so, but actionable? Jury`s still out.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:53 am
    "In Zimmerman`s 911 call he`s describing the actions of Trayvon to the dispatcher, from inside his truck! "

    And? There`s no indication that Trayvon went up to the car. Zimmerman willingly got out of his car in order to follow/chase (once Trayvon started running) Trayvon.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:54 am
    "It may well be Zimmerman did something illegal, but there`s no evidence of it so far. "

    If murdering an unarmed person who was screaming for help isn`t illegal, I don`t want to live in this country/state anymore.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 18, 2012 at 11:02 am
    @LilianDulci: You assume it was murder, unless there`s evidence otherwise, we have to give equal value to Zimmerman`s story, which is that Trayvon grabbed for the gun (which he claims was in the holster). If that`s true, idk if it is, then it`s not murder.

    Zimmerman says "He`s checking me out" then says "he`s running".

    Personally I think Zimmerman SHOULD be charged with something, just to get him off the street...
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 11:06 am
    I highly doubt that`s true, but even if it is, Zimmerman chased Trayvon so Zimmerman purposely put himself in a "harmful" situation.

    "Zimmerman says "He`s checking me out" then says "he`s running". "
    Think about that. Zimmerman`s been following Trayvon. Trayvon notices, and turns around and watches him, gets creeped out, and starts running to hopefully get away from the guy who he thinks is stalking him. So Zimmerman starts chasing him (giving Trayvon more of a reason to run).
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    March 18, 2012 at 11:09 am
    I have to say it: Effing Americans and their love for packing firearms in public! I love you guys in general but you kill SO many people because there are SO many guns in purses, pockets, and waistbands just looking for something to overreact to.
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    i-am-ninja Male 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 11:33 am
    making guns illegal because people use them to kill other people is like asking to make cars illegal because people get into accidents with them. it`s not the gun`s/car`s fault it`s the drating idiotic people.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 11:36 am
    Gerry: "If there were any proof of that, they would certainly arrest the guy, wouldn`t they."

    Um...this is Sanford Florida we`re talking about, so....no. Not necessarily.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 11:38 am
    Zimmerman was Neighborhood WATCH captian,there was no reason he had to be armed or do anything other than WATCH. He was told to stay in his vehicle. He put himself and therefore Tryvon in a hostile situation needlessly. Murder may be a stretch but I don`t think negligent manslaugher is.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 11:51 am
    CJ: "Logic would dictate that if the kid was running away he wouldn`t get shot in the chest, point blank, and wouldn`t be partially holding the gun at the time, Zimmerman also wouldn`t have trauma to the back of his head, nose, and a wet grass stained back."

    Listen to Zimmermans call again. He clearly states that Martin was walking away. What was Martin supposed to think when some creepy guy starts following him? He got the trauma because he engaged Martin, which he never should have done. As a neighborhood watch dude, it was his civic duty to let the cops do their job.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    March 18, 2012 at 11:55 am
    Am I the only one who noticed the connection between this story and the film Hot Fuzz? Think about it... Neighborhood Watch & Sanford PD (Sandford PD in Hot Fuzz)
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    so Zimmerman is a murderer,big deal.He`s a wanna be cop.Duh. So Florida, whatcha gonna do now? My money is on Nothing.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    March 18, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    wow
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    March 18, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    Even if not arrested for assault, manslaughter or murder, I would think that he violated a few gun laws that should have resulted in an arrest.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    racism, straight up racism
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    Skywolf111 Male 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    Did anyone read the news stories below? They are ridiculous! A woman tries to strangle her 11 month old baby six times?! Followed by someone is going to be on a reality show for two seasons!

    BTW This is really an F***ked up story.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 2:21 pm
    Lillian and others: If Trayvon was in fear, then why didn`t he run the few blocks back home ?

    What person, in their right mind, runs toward and attacks the `creepy` `stalker` guy ?

    carmium: Chances are, if Zimmerman hadn`t had a gun he`d be dead and Trayvon would be the one claiming self-defense right now.

    jtrebowski: You listen to the call again, Trayvon was creeping around looking in people`s yards, approached close enough to Zimmerman to realize he was on the phone, calling the cops, and then Trayvon ran, not walked, away.

    Now if Trayvon had just went home, there wouldn`t have been a problem. Why did Trayvon attack Zimmerman ? If you`re scared you run the 2 blocks home, not turn and attack.

    The calls of `racism` and `murder` are ill-informed.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    "If Trayvon was in fear, then why didn`t he run the few blocks back home ?

    What person, in their right mind, runs toward and attacks the `creepy` `stalker` guy ? "
    Where do you get that he ran toward and attacked Zimmerman? He clearly ran away from him and was being chased. I don`t know how far he was from his home by the time he was killed, so he could have been making his way and then Zimmerman caught up to him or went around some building and cut him off for all we know.

    "Chances are, if Zimmerman hadn`t had a gun he`d be dead and Trayvon would be the one claiming self-defense right now. "
    What the hell makes you say that? Trayvon was UNARMED. Zimmerman could have EASILY avoided the situation by not following Trayvon, but he CHOSE to put himself in a "dangerous" position (probably partially because he knew he had a gun and could kill Trayvon).
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 2:45 pm
    "Trayvon was creeping around looking in people`s yards, approached close enough to Zimmerman to realize he was on the phone, calling the cops, and then Trayvon ran, not walked, away."
    Were we listening to the same audio clip? Zimmerman says Trayvon is looking around which Zimmerman perceives as suspicious due to recent break-ins. But Trayvon could have been just looking at his surroundings/enjoying the night and Zimmerman only perceived it as suspicious behavior when in reality Trayvon wasn`t plotting to do anything at all. I never heard anything that indicated that Trayvon APPROACHED Zimmerman while he was on the phone. Just that Trayvon noticed Zimmerman and started running (after which, Zimmerman, if he thought he was in danger, could have stayed where he was, but instead he chose to CHASE Trayvon).
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    Crakrjak: "If Trayvon was in fear, then why didn`t he run the few blocks back home ?
    What person, in their right mind, runs toward and attacks the `creepy` `stalker` guy ? "

    As far as we know, he didn`t. We DO know that Zimmerman was going after HIM! There is no evidence to suggest that Trayvon wasn`t running towards home.


    "Chances are, if Zimmerman hadn`t had a gun he`d be dead and Trayvon would be the one claiming self-defense right now"

    Trayvon looks like he weighs about 130 lbs. Zimmerman looks like he weighs about 250. Since Trayvon didn`t have a gun either, I guess that mkeans he would`ve bludgeoned him to death with the Skittles! Or....maybe Zimmerman would`ve done the right thing in the first place and not gotten out of the car to confront him, in which case, the police would`ve questioned Trayvon and realized that he had every right to be there.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 3:00 pm
    Lillina: Where do you get that he ran toward and attacked Zimmerman?

    It was in the police report, Trayvon tackled Zimmerman, punched him in the face, grabbed his head and started pounding it against the ground, then seen Zimmerman`s gun and tried to take it. Zimmerman and Trayvon wrestled over the gun and Trayvon got shot point blank in the chest.

    That was Zimmerman`s story that he told the cops, which they wrote in the report, and from the evidence that they seen had no reason, or evidence, to doubt its truthfulness.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    jtrebowski: "It`s not the size of the dog in the fight, that counts, but the size of the fight in the dog."

    And before I hear accusations that I approve of dog fighting, No I hate dog fighting, it`s just a saying.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    CJ, mind providing a source for that? And of course Zimmerman is going to say whatever he can to get himself from being convicted of murder. None of the actual witnesses have said that Trayvon was attacking Zimmerman, but it`s very clear to hear that Trayvon was calling for help before getting shot (which means he probably wasn`t in a position to fight back, and Zimmerman could have stayed like that without shooting him until the police came since he had already called the police). Also, if Zimmerman thought he was in danger, he wouldn`t have followed Trayvon in the first place. He purposefully chased after him, and although 911 told him not to, he obviously continued chasing him after hanging up. Even if Trayvon was fighting back because of having a stalker chasing him around, Zimmerman purposefully put himself into that situation, and Trayvon was most likely acting out of REAL self defense against his stalker.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    @lillian: You`d make a great defense attorney :-)
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    Crakr: Ok...so some big guy twice your age gets out of his car and starts running towards you, and catches up to you. What`re you gonna do next?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 18, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    @LillianDulci: Actually, we don`t know who was yelling for help. It`s probably Trayvon, but could just as easily be an injured & bleeding Zimmerman, or he`s yelling for help because Trayvon`s fighting to get his gun.
    Just saying, there`s a lot of unknowns in this case.
    Why does the yelling stop after the shot? Zimmerman no longer being threatened might do it. The shock & horror of what happened?

    @jt: lolz! I`ll let @crackr answer that one, if he likes. More lolz!
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    CJ:

    You are so full of crap, if Zimmerman didn`t have a gun and did not get out of his car (as he was instructed to do by dispatch) why would he be dead? Tryvon would have no reason to attack him. You just make stuff up.

    I also see no reason to take Zimmerman at his word that he saw Tryvon looking in peoples houses, not saying he is necessarily lying but it does not fit the facts well enough to believe it either.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 3:39 pm
    jtrebowski, my uncle`s a defense attorney. No way in hell you`re getting me to do that o_o

    5Cats, you`re right that we couldn`t tell who is yelling, but it`s most likely Trayvon. It doesn`t sound like Zimmerman imo. It`d be better to ask his family/friends if it sounded like his voice though, because they`d know better than you and me. All the news reports are saying it`s Trayvon, too.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 3:43 pm
    Lillian: "Witnesses told ABC News a fist fight broke out and at one point Zimmerman, who outweighed Martin by more than 100 pounds, was on the ground and that Martin was on top." - ABC News

    I don`t know how these news outlets get to say they have a redacted copy of the police report and then not scan that report, so that people can read the whole thing for themselves. I`ve had to put together bits and pieces, like the one above, to get Zimmerman`s story and witness accounts from the report.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 3:53 pm
    jtrebowski Anyone double my age that can still run would be rare indeed.

    Joking aside, If I were in Martin`s shoes and a guy came running after me, on foot, I`d take my football playing past to good use and start running home. I seriously doubt an overweight middle-aged guy would `catch-up` to a 17 yr. old athlete.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 18, 2012 at 4:03 pm
    vv Good point there @Crackr! I totally overlooked the teenaged athelete part of the story...
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    eovogt Male 18-29
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    March 18, 2012 at 4:09 pm
    Would never happen in Canada!
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 4:10 pm
    @5cats and CJ: LOL! Took me a minute to realize I typed "age" instead of "size"! Anyway, here is the law in Florida as it applies to this case: "Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

    (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

    (2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 4:16 pm
    It`s called the "stand your ground" law, and if you think about it, it could actually be applied to Trayvon, since Zimmerman initiated the conflict by going after him. If we apply it to Zimmerman, then we should call it the "make my day" law, since Barney Badass thought that having a gun gave him the right to not "let these non-nice individuals" get away.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 18, 2012 at 5:21 pm
    I cannot offer an arguement to that @jt!
    I continue to hope that justice is served: no hasty lynch mob, no letting the bad guy go free.
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    thelonious Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 7:20 pm
    Yeah, now it comes down to plea bargaining.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 7:26 pm
    @5cats: That sounds fair to me :)
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    March 18, 2012 at 8:25 pm
    I hope the bastard who did that goes to jail. I read the police report and listened to the guy who shot him on the phone with the police. The guy saw him walking down the street, chased him down, and when the kid turned around to defend himself, the guy shot him because there was something in his hand (it was a soda and some candy). The police were telling him the entire time to stop following him.
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    BostonKaiser Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:07 pm
    I`m curious, does anyone know what time this took place? It was obviously full on dark, just wondering how late it was.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 18, 2012 at 10:27 pm
    @BostonKaiser: Not sure exactly, but it was during halftime of the NBA all-stars game here in Orlando.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:34 am
    TheShgn2: Then please explain how Zimmerman`s back was wet and grass stained and how he got a bloody nose and trauma to the back of his head ? Trayvon had nothing in his hands, except for the gun he was trying to take from Zimmerman.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:42 am
    Btw, I have no doubt this will end up in court, but not likely criminal court. It will be in civil court and it will be a wrongful death lawsuit that will take years to resolve.

    Problem is, without the police or state`s attorney charging him criminally, it`s unlikely a wrongful death lawsuit will win.

    When it doesn`t win, expect some idiots to riot.

    Either way Zimmerman`s life will be ruined, whether he`s innocent or not.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 3:05 am
    "except for the gun he was trying to take from Zimmerman."

    So presumably he was crawling aggressively towards Zimmerman on his hands and knees and attempted to grab the gun while begging for his life?

    So Zimmerman is forced to plead "Not guilty (white)." Nope, executing a black boy is not a chargeable offence, apparently.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 5:32 am
    Know this: If the colors were opposite the black guy would be in jail.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 6:17 am
    @madest

    Know this if the colors where mixed there still wouldn`t be a crackerass cracker involved it`s someone hispanic and someone black. Is it a hate crime still or is that only if a white guys invovled?? Or is it part if the white devils conspiracies!?!?!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 7:34 am
    No. It`s a realization of the world we live in. You feel free to keep your head in the sand however. Nobody is stopping you.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 7:46 am
    "Know this: If the colors were opposite the black guy would be in jail."

    Absolutely. This is plain murder, and he gets away with it because he`s white and the kid was black.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 7:52 am
    He`s half white and half hispanic who`s keeping their head in the sand again??? Must`ve been the white side that made him do it!!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 8:30 am
    and he gets away with it because he`s white and the kid was black.

    Oh ya just like the OJ Simpson case!! Oh wait a second...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 8:31 am
    Draculya: According to what I`ve read from the police report, from the scattered bits and pieces the media has decided to divulge, Zimmerman was tackled by Martin. Since the kid was a football athlete I`m sure he knew how to tackle a guy larger than him.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 8:35 am
    "Then please explain how Zimmerman`s back was wet and grass stained and how he got a bloody nose and trauma to the back of his head ?"

    Because he got out of his car against the directions of the police to confront an innocent person with little or no training on how to do so.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 8:38 am
    Yeah so what you "read" is more pertinent than the facts? Here you have an overzealous lout with a gun who sees black people as criminals up to no good. Let`s say you`re right. Zimmerman was attacked by a guy with skittles. They wrestle, Zimmerman pulls a gun and executes the skittle carrier.
    You do not pass go. You do not collect $200. You go directly to jail in normal America. Zimmerman is a murderer. Your defense of him is shameful.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31764 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 8:52 am
    How about this @madest:
    Trayvon sees Zimmerman and runs off, Zimmerman chases him. Trayvon turns around and tackles Zimmerman, climbs on top of him (as a witness reported) sees the gun in it`s holster and trys to pull it out. Zimmerman wrestles with him, screaming for help, when the gun goes off accidentaly.
    Both stories are equally supported by the "known facts" which are few.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 10:07 am
    He had no reason to run, his relatives lived there. You`re making stuff up in support of your fellow white man. Don`t be ashamed, perhaps you can retire in Florida 5Cats. I suggest leaving the black cats in Canada.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 19, 2012 at 11:46 am
    Had no reason to run? But he DID run, idk why. If it turns out Zimmerman pulled his gun out as he got out of the truck then yes, Zimmerman probably did commit a crime.
    But there`s no evidence of that yet, is there?

    in support of your fellow white man
    Again with the insults @madest? You LOOK at your own posts here: there`s insults large and small in each and every one. Please to banhammer yourself. k-thx.
    (perhaps not the first post, it`s very short, but it sets up insults in the later ones, eh?)
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:03 pm
    @madest

    So lets say Obama did this would it still be a hate crime?? He is belive it or not half white!!
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    lampshadshoe Male 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    facts that nobody has mentioned. This guy walking around at night in a hoodie on and his hand in his waistband? I know its being picky but all he had was iced and candy? No wallet or receipt or change or money. Also Sanford is the bottom 3% for safest cities in the US and above national average for crime in all areas. Also Zimmerman is Latin speaking and born not Caucasian.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    Also Zimmerman is Latin speaking and born not Caucasian.

    Ya some of us refuse to see that...
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    madest Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    McGovern, I don`t understand the point you`re trying to make. You`re saying that it`s not a hate crime because the victim was only mistaken for being black? A case of mistaken identity? I think you need to post those inane sympathy comments on your local KKK chapters website.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    @madest

    You painted him white when he`s actually half Hispanic soooo who`s doing the labeling here??
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 1:06 pm
    Who did I paint? Trayvon? I thought he was black. I didn`t look up his ancestry. Seems you did. Unless you`re talking about Zimmerman, then oooops. It`s still racist to see a black person and the first thing that comes to mind is "they`re up to no good". Be they white, hispanic or cherry. Besides who cares? The dude should be in jail. This whole scene stinks of institutional racism.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    Yes Zimmerman madest he`s not 100% cracka!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31764 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 1:36 pm
    @madest: insults, more insults...
    Apparently not getting the message, eh?

    @McGovern: @madest was accusing ME of being white! lolz!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    5Cats, You`re whiter than mayonnaise.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    @madest

    It`s pickeled chicken fetus cream damnit!!! Geez u guys!!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31764 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 3:16 pm
    vv See? @madest what does MY skin colour have to do with anything? YOU are the one who suffers from White Man`s Burden not me.
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    DrChaos Male 18-29
    2 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 6:16 pm
    1. I hope this non-nice individual gets raped and fisted in jail
    2. how the F*** would you even defend him?
    3. Whether this wannabe batman-save-the neighborhood-good-for-nothing douche bag was "attacked" or not, where in this entire scenario did he do any right?
    - Neighborhood watch, notice the watch part? "WATCH"
    - He disregards 911 operators instructions and still approaches the kid? wtf???
    - supposedly kid chargers at him?
    [didn`t you have enough time to keep your distance yourself and still confront him from a distance? like most cops do? like I would of, knowing I have a gun and i`m relatively safe from a distance?
    - he had a gun? neighborhood watch is strapped in a gated community? WTF? really?
    4. IF race did or has anything to do with it, which it seems like so far, who the f*** in this world isn`t racist? whether hes whi
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    DrChaos Male 18-29
    2 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    "latin speaking"? wtf? is he roman? or a spartan even? who speaks Latin besides the pope now a days? its spanish by the way.. smh
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31764 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 6:41 pm
    Um, thank you @Dr Chaos. Welcome to IAB!
    #1 Even if everything he says is true?
    #2 Because what he`s saying MIGHT be the truth? Innocent until proven guilty, remember that?
    #3 idk, he surely did make a mistake in persuing Trayvon, no arguement there. Should have stayed in his truck.
    #3.3 The kid charges him and YOU think the gun should come out? I disagree.
    #4 It`s a free country, unlike Canada, the right to defend yourself is a good thing.

    I do agree, EVERYONE in the world is racist to a degree! That just means that Trayvon might have hated whites, or latinos.
    (Please note: I don`t believe that, I`m just pointing out the flaw in @Chaos`s arguement, ok?)
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3348 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 7:32 pm
    " It`s a free country, unlike Canada, the right to defend yourself is a good thing. "````


    Thank God at least one of you damn Canucks agrees! Jeez, you were starting to make us look bad! It`s a free country, unlike Canada, the right to defend yourself is a good thing. GOD GUNS N GAYS....GRRRR...YEAAHHH!~!!!!!
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3348 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 7:38 pm
    "latin speaking"? wtf? is he roman? or a spartan even? who speaks Latin besides the pope now a days? its spanish by the way.. smh"

    tHEN WHY DON`T WE CAll them Spanishos? Or "splatins"? Oh, wait..I think theres already slang names that have been made up.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 7:42 pm
    Oh, and please...if anyone wants to attack my posts, please set your snark-o-meter on "high". Mines busted.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31764 posts
    March 19, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    @jt your linky didn`t owrk...
    Lolz! Work I mean. (The cat was in the way of me typing, Cheesus!)

    And yes, they call them "LATINOS" not "spaniardinos" ffs!
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3348 posts
    March 20, 2012 at 5:47 am
    Sorry about the link. Don`t know what happened, but basically it was information showing how many more gun-related deaths there are here than in Canada.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    March 20, 2012 at 6:52 am
    "#1 Even if everything he says is true?
    #2 Because what he`s saying MIGHT be the truth? Innocent until proven guilty, remember that? "

    Even if what he claims is true (or what the police claim he said, when the police has already tried to manipulate witnesses opinion by telling them that they didn`t hear Trayvon scream, but that they heard Zimmerman scream, even when the clearly said it was Trayvon), he still deserves jail time for murder. Whyyy? Because Zimmerman was perfectly safe and not in any harm at all, but he CHOSE to chase after Trayvon even after being told to stop. He purposefully put himself in "danger". If he gets a free pass for that, then all you have to do to murder someone and get away with it is to initiate a fight with them, shoot them, and claim it was self defense because they were hurting you when you started it in the first place.
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
    616 posts
    March 25, 2012 at 3:07 am
    @5cats #2 Because what he`s saying MIGHT be the truth? Innocent until proven guilty, remember that?

    Umm.... I`m glad you`re not a lawyer he`s definitely guilty of murder the burden of proof falls on Mr. Z to prove that the murder was justfiable by the argument of self defense.

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