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89 Responses to 4 Shot Dead At A Jewish School In France

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 11:11 am
    Link: 4 Shot Dead At A Jewish School In France - Good to see that gun controls working great!
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 11:16 am
    I knew this was a McGovern1981 link as soon as I read the caption.
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 11:22 am
    Seconds counted...just too bad the police were minutes away.
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    CoffeeCakes Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 11:27 am
    "Reports say attacker was on a scooter". lol.
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    Zieveraar Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 11:29 am
    Not the first attack from a scooter, although recent attacks were on military or cops I believe.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 19, 2012 at 11:31 am
    The shooter is in real trouble! Oh not for killing Jewish children, that`s OK in France! For having an unregistered firearm!!!
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    lawndartsftw Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 11:36 am
    Ban scooters. Problem solved....
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    Nietzscheese Male 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 11:41 am
    @original post
    France`s murder rate: 1.09 per 100,000 people
    USA`s murder rate: 5.0 per 100,000 people

    I appreciate that there are a lot more differences between France and USA that help account for this, but my point is that you can`t point to France as a country where gun control utterly failed.

    Murder will always be with us no matter what laws are adopted, but there is value in reducing the number of murders.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 11:51 am
    Wow.... thats really bad.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    @Nietzscheese

    So take a look at Mexicos stats hows that working out for them?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Not to be insensitive, but it seems gun control does not actually control gun-violence.

    Go figure.....
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:11 pm
    oh yeah, because criminals would gladly obey the law and not have a gun. right?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    "Nietzscheese"

    No. It`s just that the French are so demoralized from the nanny state that they couldn`t be bothered to commit crime lol.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    2007 French homicide stats (no more recent data according to UNODC):

    Percentage of homicides with a firearm: 9.6
    Number of homicides with a firearm: 35
    Homicide by firearm per 100,000 of population: 0.1

    US stats for the same year:

    Percentage of homicides with a firearm: 59.8
    Number of homicides with a firearm: 10129
    Homicide by firearm per 100,000 of population: 3.4



    Seems gun control does work to me.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:17 pm
    @AJ What a ridicuous, insensitive thing to say, especially after this news. Go boil your head you idiot.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    @Buiadh

    Sweden seem to contradict your viewpoint along with Mexicos gun control stats.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    "An american ranting about France"
    Good to see is just McGovernor1981( nothing more can be expected).
    This had to be the correct title.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    @McGovern1981

    I`m not familiar enough wtih either country to know their gun laws. I think Mexico has quite loose laws don`t they? I guess that`s why their firearms related homicides are high? As for Sweden... I`m not sure what their laws are. But it seems the firearm rates are low.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:31 pm
    Gerry1of1...Aaaand how many crimes with guns have been committed only today in your country?
    I bet they are more than all the gun crimes committed in a year in a state with gun control.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    Failure of gun control? What the f*ck are you talking about? Are you some kind of feeble minded simpleton? Gun controls doesn`t make gun crime suddenly vanish. They do however make such occurrences rare rather than a daily occurrence which is the case in some countries I could mention. Think before you make sweeping generalising comments McGovern.
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    EmagehtmaI Male 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    Gun control? Old news. What about SCOOTER CONTROL?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    @spanerbulb

    Yes it sure helped stop this now didn`t it?? That whole murder being illegal wasn`t enough!

    @Buiadh

    Mexicos gun control is very strict Mexican gun laws. They also have an extremly high murder rate with guns because the Mexican Mafia dosen`t care about laws. It`s gotten so bad citizens are taking up illegal arms too because they want to defend themselves because the government can`t and won`t because it`s pretty much owned by the mafia.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    The caption is like saying, "Good to see that health care reform is working great!" when your grandma dies at 100.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    The differences between American and French crime rates have nothing to do with gun laws and everything to do with culture.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    I bet it vas zee Germans!!!!
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:01 pm
    @Zombunny. Considering this is a favorite French pasttime over recent years, I`d say that it`s little to do with culture.





    I think if they could get a hold of guns readily, they would.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:01 pm
    That`s exactly what I was trying to say Zombunny.

    Buiadh: Do I need to call the Whaaaaambulance?
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:02 pm
    I agree with McGovern.

    We can`t stop gun crime completely so we shouldn`t bother even trying. Crime rates in Mexico somehow prove this.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:02 pm
    You`re right, it`s too bad none of the kids or rabbis were packing heat so they could have defended themselves.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    Zombunny: There`s an awful lot of racial and socio-economic tension in France. They seem to riot weekly, as Buidah pointed out.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:06 pm
    The riots would be over quicker with guns. They would weed themselves out without government intervention.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    You see, AJ. This is why nobody listens to you or cares about your opinion. You`re an ill-educated hick.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    ....and you are very, very gullible.

    Stop name calling. It lowers the effect of your words to nil.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    @Buiadh

    We`ve had plenty of riots here ya know what few stores weren`t looted???? Ask a Korean!!!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    That in reference to the LA riots BTW.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    I mean poo Buidah. I could give a drat what happens in France. Buncha cheese eating surrender monkeys.

    I`m just trying to get a rise out of the anti-freedom, I mean anti-gun crowd.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    @Mcgovern: HURRY UP AND BUY!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    @ Buiadh, our higher homocide stats are due to rediculously stupid drug laws, not gun control.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:22 pm
    @McGovern1981. I`ll just grab a snippet from that article and leave it here.

    "Guns do not stop riots. Social order, established through law, ethics, morality and collective identity, does."
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    "Guns do not stop riots. Social order, established through law, ethics, morality and collective identity, does."

    I`m sorry, but if a violent, unlawful riot was occurring, a wall of gunfire would quickly end it.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    Also "law, ethics, morality and collective identity" are contrary to the liberal agenda.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    Our drug laws suck, but a 50 point difference in homicides does not come from crappy drug laws. That is a factor, but this isn`t Mexico.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:27 pm
    50 point difference in gun-related homicides, I should clarify.
  44. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:28 pm
    "`m sorry, but if a violent, unlawful riot was occurring, a wall of gunfire would quickly end it."

    Just think for a second about what caused the LA Riots and then consider if you think putting a stop to them in such a fashion would be a good way to defuse tensions.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:32 pm
    @AJ. Rioters do not deserve to die. Rioting is a practice of freedom. Muricans are all for freedom, right?

    If, during the riot, they break the law then they deserve to be arrested. Not shot. If I walked in to a shop tomorrow and picked up a TV and walked out, I`d be arrested, right? What difference is there if I walked into a shop during a riot and did the same? Do I deserve to die because of it?

    "Also "law, ethics, morality and collective identity" are contrary to the liberal agenda."

    LOL. Firstly collective identity is VERY left. Secondly, as to the former three, just LOL.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:32 pm
    The LA riots happened, because people wanted an excuse to be idiots.

    Those cops did nothing wrong, but just because it was a black man, and they got off (justifiably), they went nuts.

    If Rodney King were white, and the cops were black, and the same thing happened, a Riot would not have,
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:34 pm
    Yeah. Collective identity is. MOTHERLAND!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:37 pm
    @Buiadh

    and the small platoon of Koreans on the rooftop there all loaded up those did nothing you suppose??
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    @McGovern1981. Of course. Nobody would loot their shop. Good on them for pulling together etc.

    How could you justify shooting someone that attempted to loot a SHOP though? Seriously? That is one drated up country if you`re allowed to shoot someone that is NOT endangering anyones life.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:45 pm
    wow- thank God some of you are trolls- if not humanity would be really drated up... fine, you have guns in the states- that means you cannot just ban them because the bad guys would keep them. However- to suggest that countries who have tight controls should relax those controls is just lunacy...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    Also "law, ethics, morality and collective identity" are contrary to the liberal agenda.
    You got THAT right @aj! Guidelines, do-what-you-like and `it`s all good` are what liberals & lefties try to push on us.
    (ps: they like "guidelines" so there`s one rule for you, and another for them, eh?)
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    5cats- stop being an arse, you are certainly talking out of yours..... get a little understanding too. I seem to remember that the left gets accused of interfering too much and making to many laws.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    How could you justify shooting someone that attempted to loot a SHOP though? Seriously? That is one drated up country if you`re allowed to shoot someone that is NOT endangering anyones life.

    Ummmm that whole riot thing usually kills people.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:56 pm
    wow- thank God some of you are trolls- if not humanity would be really drated up... fine, you have guns in the states- that means you cannot just ban them because the bad guys would keep them. However- to suggest that countries who have tight controls should relax those controls is just lunacy...

    Some people say the same about drug laws that bans been working well too huh?
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    March 19, 2012 at 1:59 pm
    well, look at the stats- and use your brain. Drug laws cause more deaths than they prevent, gun laws prevent death. Why the hell would anyone think the general populace owning guns was a good idea unless they already had the things?
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 2:00 pm
    @McGovern1981. "Ummmm that whole riot thing usually kills people. "

    As I said. I walk in to that shop (the one you linked to earlier) during a riot with a plan of smashing the glass and taking some goods and going off home. Do I deserve to die for that?

    NB: I do wholeheartedly disagree with looting in the modern day western world, but they don`t deserve to die for it.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    All these so-called "Christians" advocating violence as a way of responding to violence...doesn`t sound very Christ-like to me.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    "Stop name calling. It lowers the effect of your words to nil."

    "I could give a drat what happens in France. Buncha cheese eating surrender monkeys. "

    Um...
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 2:47 pm
    @McGovern1981 The difference between guns and drugs is drug you use on yourself...guns you use on others. If I smoke some weed it cool, it me. If I shot a gun I am using it to kill something.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    Lillian: I did not call him a name. An attack on a whole country, is not personal.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    "All these so-called "Christians" advocating violence as a way of responding to violence...doesn`t sound very Christ-like to me."

    And here comes Religion into the debate!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 19, 2012 at 3:12 pm
    @madduck: The left LOVES to make "rules" but only if they get to pick who follows them. Laws are for little people, not `the elite`.
    Also: anti-gun laws cause a rise in black-market guns. Criminals who didn`t bother with them before start selling them. Criminals + drugs + guns = bad idea! Ask England, where gun-crime has gone UP since they severely restricted all sorts of firearms.
    Ask Switzerland where guns are EVERYWHERE but gun crime is rare...
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    auburnjunky, calling all French people "cheese eating surrender monkeys" is name calling, sorry.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    Yeah right 5 cats thats why your gun related deaths are ten times ours (per capita).

    So.. is that free access to guns, or inate stupidity?

    or both?
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 6:00 pm
    @5Cats: "The shooter is in real trouble! Oh not for killing Jewish children, that`s OK in France! For having an unregistered firearm!!!"

    Wow. You`re really a horrible person.

    No, killing Jews and/or children is not OK in France.

    @McGovern1981: The facts prove you wrong, since France`s gun control laws have demonstrate a clear improvement over the US` gun laws by their far lower per capita rate of gun violence.

    Furthermore, this post demonstrates your ignorance of the worthlessness of anecdotal evidence in proving such a claim.

    If you want to prove such a claim you need to use scientific evidence, not cherry-picked examples that aren`t representative of the overall case.

    You can`t do this here though, since the facts are against you.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 19, 2012 at 6:14 pm
    @HiEv Well the truth hurts don`t it?
    Franc AND Vichy eagerly shipped their Jews to the death camps, didn`t they?
    To be fair, even the British did in the occupied Channel Islands.
    In fact I think the ONLY country that didn`t was Denmark...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    LillianDulci: I guess if there is a nit to pick, you`ll be the one to pick it.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    aj, I don`t think it`s nit picking when you had JUST said that, and contradicted yourself only a few minutes later.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2012 at 7:35 pm
    Damnit Lillian!

    Calling one person a name is PERSONAL!

    Calling a whole country of people is NOT PERSONAL!

    If the ENTIRE POPULATION OF FRANCE WAS ON IAB, then your point would have merit, but THEY AREN`T so IT DOESN`T!

    Geez! lol
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    DShephard Male 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    Well, I guess this is a lesson to anti-NRA people.
    Strict Gun-control Policies do not keep bad people from getting guns.
    They keep Good people from getting them to defend themselves and others from the bad people who have the guns illegally.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    aj, if there is even a single French person on this site, then I think my argument`s valid. And I wouldn`t be surprised if that`s the case. But you still have to see the hypocrisy of whining over name calling when you go and do it yourself, even if it`s to people who aren`t here right now.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    DS, no. Strict gun control laws may still allow really badass criminals to get guns, sure. In places with tons of crime (like Mexico due to anti-drug laws) this is going to be a huge problem. But in the USA, we have random kids who have super easy access to guns because of their parents and steal them to shoot up their schools (when otherwise they probably wouldn`t have the means to get their hands on a gun). We have convicted criminals who are easily able to obtain guns. Pretty much anyone who wants a gun can get ahold of one without problem, and that does not make us safer. You might want to check out the stats some people have already posted.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 19, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    US gun homicide rate: 4.1
    US gun suicide rate: 5.71
    US gun accident rate: 0.23

    France gun homicide: 0.44
    France gun suicide: 5.14
    France gun accident: 0.11

    So... less of all 3.

    Overall murder rate: US 5.0, France 1.1.

    However, if you`re swayed by anecdotes instead of stats:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#United_States">List of US shootings.

    then lets look at the weapon and how they were stopped:
    1: Legal gun. Police Shot.
    2: Legal gun. Police caught.
    3/4: No info.
    5: Legal gun. Police caught.
    6: Legal gun. Police caught.
    7: Legal gun. Unarmed Teachers caught.
    8: N/A. Suicide.
    Etc.

    Your ideas don`t seem to be working very well.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 10:23 pm
    Not a big deal compared to the dying going on in Africa, but white jewish kids are worth 100,000 Africans in media gold.

    Still sad though.
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2012 at 11:38 pm
    @5Cats: Wow. You`re still blaming the French for what happened while they were under Nazi rule around 70 years ago?!? And acting like it`s still true today!?!?!? By that absurd logic, then I suppose you believe Americans are OK with Japanese internment camps?

    Seriously, pull your head out of your butt. Almost all of the people to blame for that are dead today.

    France is nothing like that now.

    What you`re spouting about the French being OK with Jew and child murder today isn`t "the truth", it`s bigotry. Blaming existing people for the sins of their ancestors is nonsense of the highest degree.

    You should be ashamed of yourself.
  76. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 20, 2012 at 1:17 am
    Baal: The problem is that criminals still get guns no matter how many anti-gun laws there are.

    All gun laws do is take guns away from lawful citizens and make them defenseless to burglars, rapists, thieves, kidnappers and terrorists.

    Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker(s).

    Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year. Only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The `error rate` for the police, however, is 11 percent.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 20, 2012 at 1:19 am
    Only one state, Illinois, does not have a concealed carry law and our crime rate here is much higher than neighboring states. Those states that have adopted concealed carry laws have seen their crime rates drop up to 50% or more after they were enacted.
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    ExtraCredit Male 50-59
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    March 20, 2012 at 2:40 am
    Only the NRA and their adherents have successfully established an exclusive causal link between concealed carry and reduced crime rates.

    Why don`t you give us the details of your statistical analysis?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 20, 2012 at 4:37 am
    Extra: It`s not a `causal link`, it`s backed up by fact. Link

    Be sure to look at the tables provided, It`s were I got my stats.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2012 at 6:10 am
    CrakrJak "The problem is that criminals still get guns no matter how many anti-gun laws there are."
    Well so let the guns invades your country so for criminals will be a lot easier to find one.
    If you have a gun control you have less weapons around = less probability for criminals to obtain one.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2012 at 6:20 am
    "The problem is that criminals still get guns no matter how many anti-gun laws there are."

    Not wholly true, that fact, is it? :P
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2012 at 8:40 am
    The problem is that criminals still get guns no matter how many anti-gun laws there are
    Not necessarily, in my city, there are virtually no gun deaths ever. The majority of murders here are stabbings, and if a gun IS involved it`s usually some rifle a kid got from his parent`s farm or something.
  83. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 20, 2012 at 10:04 am
    Piper: If you have a gun control you have less weapons around...

    Which in turn allows government tyranny to go unabated. Every dictator in the last 80 years has instituted gun control, not for public safety, but to suppress the populace.

    Gun control has nothing to do with controlling crime, it`s about power and who has it, the government or it`s people. CCW laws have lowered crime statistics in every state, except Illinois because they`ve yet to abide by the Supreme Court`s ruling and allow concealed carry.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    March 21, 2012 at 4:55 am
    No it definitely wasn`t a gun. You see, they control their guns there, so nobody has them. Thus, it is impossible that a bad person that does not care about laws whatsoever went ahead and broke the law to acquire a gun and use it to kill people. That is absolutely impossible.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36650 posts
    March 21, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Our drug laws suck, but a 50 point difference in homicides does not come from crappy drug laws.
    And what are all the gangs fighting over? Turf, which is cntrol of drug trade in their area. Why do people know over 7-11s? Cash for drugs made expensive by prohibition laws. etc etc etc
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4907 posts
    March 21, 2012 at 10:16 am
    CrakrJak so are you suggesting me that your politicians don`t establish a tyranny just cause they fear civils weapons?
    What a sad way of thinking about world and humanity.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    March 21, 2012 at 10:36 am
    @piperfawn

    History speaks for itself.
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    HiEv Male 40-49
    621 posts
    March 22, 2012 at 12:34 am
    @McGovern1981: Yes, yes history does speak for itself.

    Sadly, you aren`t listening to what history really says.
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    itzazoom Male 18-29
    182 posts
    March 24, 2012 at 3:54 pm
    how many people run around with guns here and how many in the states?

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