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37 Responses to Zeitgeist: Moving Forward: Full-Length Release

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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 2, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    Link: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward: Full-Length Release - This doc presents a case for a transition out of the current socioeconomic monetary paradigm which governs the world.
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    SunnyNphilly Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2012 at 1:45 pm
    Is this new or the one that has been on the net for years?
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 2, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    Is the last one.
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    dblond369 Female 18-29
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    February 2, 2012 at 3:57 pm
    WOW. Put aside the nearly 3 hours in your day to watch this enlightening documentary. A MUST share with everyone I know! Amazing.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2012 at 4:37 pm
    beautiful beautiful movie
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    February 2, 2012 at 6:18 pm
    Is there any way to warn the unsuspecting user that you`re about to open a 3 hour long f`ing movie???
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    MorfeuS Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2012 at 1:03 am
    Aside the fact that u can click it and see the duration of it?!...no,you cannot,but this is enlightening to us as a humanity....i am an Utopian,but as the greater minds presented in here stated,if we don`t do anything about it,we will perish,we are sheeps in an Skinner Box,constantly fed bull$hit ...bad thing is that i can rant longer than this movie to no avail,we deserve our fate
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    teknollag Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2012 at 1:28 am
    Based on the comments, I`ll put this aside to watch later.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 3, 2012 at 1:49 am
    The first third of the movie, which describes the evils of the current system, as well as the bit towards the end that criticises our petroleum dependence is spot on.

    Their description of how the world ought to be structured is a utopian masterpiece worthy of Marx and the other giants of social thinking.

    Ultimately however, the entire 2:41:25 is a useless waste of precious time. Why? They gloss over the two main problems with their argument:

    (1) There is no plausible mechanism for transition short of a catastrophic world-wide meltdown and full-strata global revolution.

    (2) The utopian future does not properly address human nature and people`s desire to pervert the system for personal advantage.

    Communism failed in both these regards so they would create is an society that would fail as miserably as World Communism, with even more disastrous consequences.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 3, 2012 at 1:52 am
    I`d like to add that I wholeheartedly applaud their motive and respect their learning and applied intellect. I just wish they had addressed these two Achilles heels of their fundamental premise.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 3:08 am
    Draculya at 2:12 mins they kinda answer to you, they expected this kind of critict, legit btw.
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    MorfeuS Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2012 at 4:23 am
    Wow...throw Marx in here?!Based on that,you sir,are a degenerate retard,worthy of the iPoD generation,an elite consumer of bull$hit...aaand a causality,maybe,no wonder there AAMUUUURIKAAA,AMUUURIKAAA,ofc u don`t wanna do anything,you`re cozy and idiotically fat
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 3, 2012 at 4:28 am
    Communist propaganda.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 3, 2012 at 4:55 am
    @MorfeuS You alright man? Spazzin out a bit.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 3, 2012 at 5:24 am
    Ah @MorfeuS, I`ve just decoded your post. You think I`m against change because I`m pro-American and wealthy. Well Crakr and Cyber will tell you otherwise on that first score. I am highly critical of the current American society and culture, I know economics and the monetary system and its faults. Yes, I am doing alright, but recognise that the stakes here far eclipse my personal capital, my own life, even my family`s lives. Change has to be meaningful.

    You also said that I threw Marx in here. Well, they did in the video. Actually, there are parallels with Marxism, but it`s not Marxism or any flavour of communism that we`ve seen. I am a big fan of Marx and his thinking but I also recognise its flaws.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 3, 2012 at 5:24 am
    @piperfawn Thanks, I saw that bit and just in case I rewatched the segment, but they didn`t address my concerns. Don`t get me wrong, I am all for meaningful change to a utopian future, but we can`t teleport to the world of Star Trek Next Generation (which is more or less the society they describe) without dealing with the two killer flaws which again are transition and human nature.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 5:42 am
    Draculya i clearly understand what you mean and i`m sure is like you say, Rome was`nt built in a day. I think they are just suggesting how a better world could be and for sure this require time and maybe lot of sacrifice. What i find interesting in this movie is not the utopistic, also if doable, idea of new cities and a better organization of our life but the idea that if we want to change we have all to act against the status quo also with the sacrifice of our actual wellness, maybe this is the part more utopic, but you know revolutions are not without efforts. One thing is sure, if we continue with this crazyness in a near future there will be no more space for our wellness, we must to find a way to go forward also if is unconfortable for ours actual standards. They are just suggesting a well calculated way.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 5:51 am



    Something tells me MorfeuS has a wardrobe of Che Guevara shirts and spends his day blaming the US for all of his problems.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 6:53 am
    McGovern1981 have you watched the movie or was you just waiting to post something?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 3, 2012 at 7:01 am
    Draculya: Utopia will never exist, the world of Star Trek is a pipe dream. The human appetite for enlightened self-interest is too strong, you would call it greed, but it encompasses fame and proclivity as well.

    It`s all well and fine to yearn for a better society, but you can`t take liberty and freedom away from people to do it, they will revolt to gain back their rights and desires.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 7:12 am
    CrakrJak so for you the solution is just to wait until the ship sink. When all will be destroied, and this is gonna happen sooner than you expect, i assure that desires and selfishness will be our last step in this galaxy. The evolution, but i`m not sure if this concept is familiar for you, ask for effort and renounce. I agree with you that this two concept nowaday are really far from our way of life, but if we continue to stomp our feet as spoiled childs in front of a candy store we will leave just this last mark on the sidewalk, nothing more.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 8:07 am



    It`s called communism it killed over 100 million people and failed. Feel free to try again in your country though.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 8:17 am
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 8:19 am
    McGovern1981 Capitalism have killed and is still killing much more people, the final plan is to erase humanity from this planet. You talk as if communism is still so present in the world, why don`t you watch at where our capitalism is leading us. Oh sorry asking you to go out from your ball of butter and taking notes on our actual capitalistic world is to much effort right? Who talk about communism nowaday as if it was the bigger problem of this planet just show to have a really backlog conception of our actual life.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 8:41 am
    MMMMMM butter!! What was China`s official government again?? I take it you also own the complete che guevara fashion ensemble?
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 9:21 am
    McGovern1981 why you so dumb? You answer yourself in your question when you say "was". In any case in the world there are just 5 states,including China also if is not really true, that are communist. The rest of the states or are capitalistic or are under the direct influence or slavery of capitalistic economy. So now go out and hunt your communists, good luck with that blind mole.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 10:07 am
    It must be the butter comrade!! You yourself have just shown socailism dosen`t work with what you stated. It was after all created with Utopia in mind and achieved nothing like it. Also how am I supposed to hunt if I`m blind??
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    dblond369 Female 18-29
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    February 3, 2012 at 11:18 am
    McGovern1981 is a troll.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    dblond369 is a dumb blonde.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 3, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    piperfawn: I don`t believe all the doom and gloom BS, Piper. Human beings have shown the greatest ability to not only adapt but to overcome.

    The only system by which people have pulled themselves out of grinding poverty, that you are bemoaning, are those with freedom and largely free trade. Bill Gates wasn`t born rich, neither was Steve Jobs.

    Your naive belief, that forcing everyone to have equal income, has been tried and failed many many times. Hippie communes didn`t work in the 60`s and 70`s and neither does communism.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 3:27 pm
    CrakrJak obviously you don`t have watch the movie if you talk about equal income. The end of this movie suggest to erase all money. Crakr the humanity have shown during the history the ability to rise from falls, that`s correct, but when that was happen there where no oil, no nuclear faillure, no pollution, no debts that create debts out of nothing, no 7 bilions people raising at exponential velocity, no cargos that release tons of oil in the middle of oceans, not bilions of cars, not bilions of usefull but overabused technology, no shortage of raw materials and so on...( fill the dots with all the situations we are facing).This planet is not done of infinite resources, free trades and so on are really beautiful concepts but if not regulated lead us to destruction. Humans are not ready and don`t have the deserved responsibility to play with infinite freedom cause the result is the mess we are living.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 5:40 pm
    @piperfawn

    If we were to get rid of currency that would bring us back to a barter system which is still capitalism. Nothings ever perfect.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    No one is so crazy to pretend to reach perfection, we are just humans born with limits like our planets. Once we have stated that how we ruling the world lead us to destruction the most intelligent thing to do is to change and not to go further on repeating what is shown to be bad for us, also mices in laboratory learn that once you touch the red button and you take a shock instead of a cookie is better to not continue to touch the red button. Is just logic, the thing we are flaunting to be the supreme owners on this planet.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    meh
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:03 am
    "MMMMMM butter!! What was China`s official government again?? I take it you also own the complete che guevara fashion ensemble?"

    I`d love a Bellstaff Trailmaster and Cohiba thanks, if you`ll let me forgo the beret and bullet wounds.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 2:18 am
    piperfawn: Don`t be naive enough to believe there will be an end to money. Sure paper currency can collapse, but precious metals will always remain valuable and still be used, if all else fails.

    You`ve bought into the false ideology of a `zero sum` game, where the rich can only get richer by taking from the poor and that`s just false.
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    driftwoodslo Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 2:37 am
    There wouldn`t need to be a barter system if all the needs were taken care of, and precious metals are only valuable because people prize them. We use the abundant metals much more than gold or silver. There is no real reason to value precious metals. Life existed without them and can do the same again.

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