UPDATE: Ohio Teen Shooter Has Been Identified

Submitted by: fancylad 4 years ago

Another bullied kid and he sort of announced what he wanted to do on his Facebook page.
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Male 202
@PierreJeanFR
The kid used a .22 caliber target pistol, and he only fired 10 shots. It`s a type of gun that is legal in most of the world. And, he didn`t get it legally, neither did the Columbine kids. And making guns illegal or banning them wouldn`t help. People that want guns can still get them, either stolen, smuggled, or made in underground factories. When I was 14 I wanted a shotgun, but I couldn`t buy one, so I just made one. It,s not exactly hard, people have been making them for 400 years. Completely banning guns completely would probably stop many school shootings, but banning guns completely would crate and violent black market just like with drugs and alcohol. Thousands more innocent people would die each year as a result of the organized criminals getting anyone they dislike out of the way.
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Male 68
i like his poem. it has a message and it delivers it in a good form. to bad things got so messy
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Male 1,229
@thatjimguy
if you refuse to see the metaphor for what it is then I guess I can`t convice you anyway.

The confirmation of it being random is bull poo. the second dead kid is the guy who was dating his ex girlfriend. The only random shooting was the fifth victim who got in the way as he was running down the hallway.

beleive what you want. in the end there are three dead kids, one in serious condition and one recovering at home. Oh yeah, and loser just waiting for that bedsheet and a high crossbar in his cell.
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Male 1,196
Every kid is bullied
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Male 14,330
@PierreJeanFR

Depends on who you hand them to. An AR-15 holds 30 rounds by the way this is why people who no nothing about firearms should STFU about making laws for them. Would you put a person who dropped out of high school in charge of the board of education?
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Male 1,360
I`m SICK and TIRED of the mentally challenged Asssholes that keep repeating like parrots the say that" it`s the people that kill not the guns".
Guns ARE part of the problem because they make killing so easy, between a 25 clip AR 15 and a pencil who`s going to kill the most, Mcgovern?
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Male 459
@insane_ai

Read it. It easily cries out against whom he see as "vain" in "castle walls" obviously a dig at popular kids. "selfish and conceited they could care less about the peasants...etc etc)

However, it looks like it is confirmed that he struck at random. Perhaps in the end, he blamed everyone I guess.

This was still caused by bullying though. Things is, because he struck random kids the ones who tormented him got away I guess. Never understood why this happens. Kid gets bitch slapped around. He finally snaps but doesn`t bother to get back at the people who caused him the harm in the first place. I just don;t get it.
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Male 240
so I know school shootings are terrible and all but if you have a gun how do you only kill one person? and then how the f uck do you get chased away? if you want to shoot up a school shoot it up right otherwise sit back down and stop being a baby.
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Male 10,845
Nubblins what me and McGovern both agree on is that it is inaccurate to label the tool as the root cause of the problem when it is abundantly clear that tools do not have free will regardless of purpose.
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Male 500
Guns are not the problem. People are the problem.
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Male 14,330
.....and to reiterate my point PENCILS!!!!
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Male 2,868
@swiftkeys- I heard an interview on the news with a friend of his who witnessed him being repeatedly bullied. While the eyewitness testimony of one person is not proof positive of anything, it`s a bit more than speculation.
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Male 500
Maybe he wasn`t bullied? Can anyone cite their source on him being bullied? (News speculation doesn`t count.) I`m just saying, for all we really know, he just hated these people.
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Female 1,743
Again, I never said I wanted them banned. You missed my point.
LET ME REITERATE.
I don`t think using pencils to prove your point is a fair metaphor.

Ugh.
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Male 1,229
@thatjimguy: The proof is in his poem. Read and rethink your position.
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Male 14,330
@nubblins

Swords and bows were also made with the purpose of killing but we don`t have people clamoring to ban those do we? Besides like it or not sometimes on this planet some people can`t be reasoned with and need to get taken out it`s the way it always has been and always will be.
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Female 1,743
its*

Damn you, grammar.
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Female 1,743
I`m not commenting at all on anyone`s right to own a gun, I`m just saying the PURPOSE of a gun is to cause bodily harm. It was invented to HURT AND KILL. A pencil was invented to write on paper. Sure, you can stab someone with a pencil, but that was not it`s intended use. When you shoot someone, you`re successfully using a gun for its intended purpose. That is why they`re not comparable, and I hate that stupid quip.
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Male 3,745
thatjimguy: not only did he get his targets but he made sure to get his targets...he aimed and shot...the way it sounds to me he`d been practicing...
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Male 459
To all of you who said "Why are all these kids pussies nowadays?" You don`t really get it do you?

In the end, he wasn`t. I don`t like what he did. But he got the POWER that he didn`t have (he doesn`t look like a powerhouse to me) and used it to HIS advantage.

If he is a pussy for using overwhelming power against someone, what can you say about the bullies in the first place? They were more powerful than him for sure as bullies usually are.
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Male 459
@insane_ai

It MAY have been over a girl...maybe you should wait until RUTGERS can confirm it. Unless you are a fan of Fox news perhaps.

If he`s been bullied most of his life, who the terrorist.

Truly I can`t condone his choice of actions, but only because I think he would have been better off beating the piss out of them with a bat and break their bones. That way, they live and he gets his his life and confidence back. Sure he`ll pay for it somehow. But I`ll bet he`ll never get bullied again and feel like he would have had some power in his life.

Bullies take a part of your spirit away. Hard to ever get it back and it comes too late for most. It`s a SLOW death bullies put you through.
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Male 96
You know in Washington D.C. they have the most strict gun laws, and still its the highest crime rate? People will always find a way to get guns, that is not the problem. The problem is never going to be fixed, never has never will. People get murdered.
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Male 459
a bullied kid....what a surprise.

My question is did he get his targets or did he just shoot random people?
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Male 1,229
three dead as of this afternoon.

One question for this loser: syrup or jelly?
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Male 506
@Draculya, Oh please. They’ve substituted suicide for muder. Hardly the beacon of an enlightened and more humane society.

Whether it’s killing yourself or killing others, the underlying causes are largely the same.
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Male 506
@nubblins, The point is the fault lies with human behavior, not the machine. Automobiles kill far more people every year than handguns (or pencils), but we don`t see people getting back on the soapbox to outlaw cars everytime there`s a fatal accident.

Gun ownership is a fundamental right for US citizens, literally second only to freedom of speech. Anyone who doesn`t understand why doesn`t understand the principles our country was founded on. I`m anything but a conservative, but even I know better than to mess with the fundamental right to have armed civilians.

Yes, it means that violent crimes (which exist everywhere) can occasionally be much more deadly because there`s so little room for forgiveness once a trigger has been pulled, but these crimes are still the fault of an individual and not symptomatic of guns themselves.
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Male 10,845
You know it`s cases like these I want to hear solid reasoning for why my tax dollars have to go to keeping people like this house, fed, and clothed, in an isolated location or for permanantly preventing said person from being an productive and innocuous citizen (by which I mean execution).

I also agree with McGovern guns are tools, and the phrase "weapons don`t kill people, people do" has been truth for millenia.
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Male 14,330
@nubblins

Yes but you can easily stab someone in the throat with a nice sharpened pencil because like a gun it`s the user that controls it.
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Female 1,743
@McGovern
I hate that saying about guns and pencils.
Pencils and guns aren`t really comparable. A pencil wasn`t invented to cause bodily harm, whereas a gun was.

I`m not anti gun or anything, I just think that`s a stupid little quip.
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Male 3,472
Arm everyone. "An armed society is a polite society."
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Male 1,229
He felt ostracized but still independent. He decided to size power:
[quote] I`m on the lamb but I ain`t no sheep. I am Death.[/quote]
He needed to make a statement; I am not to be dismissed unless you are willing to bear my wrath:
[quote] Feel death, not just mocking you. Not just stalking you but inside of you. Wriggle and writhe. Feel smaller beneath my might. Seizure in the Pestilence that is my scythe. Die, all of you.[/quote]
This kid is not a victim, he is narcissist and a terrorist.
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Male 1,229
This was over a girl.
[quote] Some witnesses told local media he appeared to deliberately target a table where a student who had started dating his former girlfriend was seated with friends, but Reuters could not immediately confirm that.[/quote]
He was rejected by her and felt powerless.
[quote] He longed for only one thing, the world to bow at his feet.[/quote]
[quote] That castle, she stood just to do all she could to keep the peasents at bay, not the enemy away.[/quote]
He wanted her back and saw her friends as vermin getting in the way as he took the high road, waiting for her to come around.
[quote] Enduring the pain of waiting for that castle to fall. Through his good deeds, the rats and the fleas.[/quote]
He grew tired of his wait and fantasized about destroying those in the way of his goal, making them feel as powerless as he did:
[quote] "Stay back!" The Guards screamed as they were thrown to their knees. "Oh God, have mercy, ple
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Male 14,330

@Draculya
Keep blaming a machine instead of seeing the real problem though. The gun must`ve made him do it!! I wonder what you`ll do when you`ve run out of inanimate object to blame cause you`ve banned them all.
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Male 14,773
Bullying is much worse in Korea and Japan and yet the number of school shootings is zero. In fact, the entire murder rate in both countries combined is less than a typical small US town or city district. Go on keeping telling yourselves that guns are good for America, at least it reduces your carbon footprint (via population size).
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Male 89
the problem is the anti-bulling laws actually make it easier to bully and gang up. especially how many adults in the school dont care. they go hes only playing around, or their not serious.
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Male 14,330
@Orchideous

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." - Thomas Jefferson

But keep banning "bad things" let me know how that works out.

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Male 228
@Orchideous: Actually, this is what happens when a kid is pushed too far and he has mental problems. Taking guns away doesn`t solve the problem at all. The anti-bullying laws do not work.

A kid either needs to fight back without weapons or trudge through school. Growing up in the midwest (where football is a huge religion I have grown to hate) bullying was huge. I was bullied and chose to fight back. Most bullies do not want to pick on someone that will fight, they want to pick on someone that will not defend themselves.

It amazes me how many people let their school life rule the rest of their days. Look forward, not back and if you are bullied in school, just know that soon you will be out of it and your life really is how you make it, do not let others keep you down.

I agree that the media tries to find a blame in this sort of thing... but their audience wants answers so... make something up. Ratings, ratings, ratings.
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Female 2,525
"In all honesty, that poem is brilliant for a kid as young as him."

I find that more offensive than the shooting itself.
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Male 1,404
I am reminded of a quote from the Buddha “Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.”
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Male 361
This is what happens when guns are legal.
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Male 916
i don`t think a victim of torture can really be held responsible for their actions.
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Male 916
unbalanced individual?! you were never bullied, were you?
believe me, sometimes it felt like murder or suicide were the only way out of the sheer hell that was endured. you`re forced to go to this place and there`s no protection once you`re there. heck, teachers often look the other way or even scoff at the victims.

one of the reasons the kids who do this are almost always labelled "loners" or said to be part of some small counter-culture is because that`s where they`ve been forced to. they had no choice but to be a loner.

but the the media will intentionally get causality backward and will gleefully mislead viewers, readers and listeners into believing it`s the loner/goth/emo/metal head/gamer lifestyle that makes this happen instead of letting mister and missus america know that it was their goldenboy jock, princess cheerleader and their little clique marginalised the kid to the point of insanity.
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Male 2,143
Oddest thing.....This kind of thing won`t stop.When you allow bullies to make someone a daily victim,it slowly drives the daily victim mad. No one does anything to stop the bully (or tries and makes it worse), and the daily toll rocks an already fragile psyche. Don`t kid yourself about the guns,if he didn`t have one,he`d just make a bomb or use another weapon (like a car) and make you feel his pain.
My Father would find the bully`s father and beat the hell out of `em. He knew it wouldn`t do anything to stop the bully,and possibly make the bully angrier, but he enjoyed it.
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Male 15
In all honesty, that poem is brilliant for a kid as young as him.
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Male 506
@nijd, We all live in a fantasy world. Every bit of media we consume is a lie.

At least My Little Pony is a pretty, colorful lie.
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Male 506
It`s already been mentioned, school shootings are nothing new. They`ve been around for centuries. What is new is our pervasive fascination with violence and the instantaneous dissemination of information through the internet. That`s a two-edged sword. It means we`re exposed to it more and we draw the mistaken conclusion that things must be worse now than ever. But we don`t learn anything from it. We don`t refine our policies, don`t try to understand motivations, don`t try to make things safer for our kids or even make any effort to change how we treat bullying.

All we do is look for a convenient scapegoat and then move on with our lives.

And that`s the real tragedy here. We`ll blame the guns and the video games and completely fail to change society in any meaningful way.
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Male 506
Every time there`s a school shooting, I count the seconds until someone tries to pin the blame on video games.

Let`s not blame the unbalanced individual who decided that murder was the solution to their problem.

Let`s not blame the other students who bullied this person and brought them to this mental state.

Let`s not blame the parents who allowed their kid access to a firearm, who allowed them to take it to school, who were not aware of their mental health or actions.

Let`s not blame the school faculty for failing to identify and stop any of this behavior or for allowing a mentally unbalanced kid to bring a firearm onto their campus.

Let`s blame the video games. Let`s blame the industry that has as much to do with creating violence as movies, music, comics, books, or all of the other forms of media that have been the scapegoat of the past. That`s why the72% of American households who now play games are all murderous sociopaths.
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Male 1,252
On a very `inside our own box` scale it is a tragedy but in the grand scope of world affairs small potatoes.

Bullying was 10x worse... the kid had twiiter and facebook ffs..get a mmo and cope. In my day there was no escape.... if anyone here knows what a `stinging nedle beat down is` then they can relate.
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Female 1,798
@ kiersten:

grow up, this is a HUGE deal. it`s more than just a shooting, it represents a huge problem in this nation, on many different levels.

you don`t like watching it on the news? don`t watch the flippin` news and have some respect for the life that was lost and the boy who was bullied to the point of shooting his tormentors.
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Female 1,682
I live here in good `ol Ohio and this has been on the news ALL DAY. ALL DAY. One of our news channels has been airing things about it for almost 10 hours.
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Male 3,745
"Bullying was worse in the "good old days" but kids did not go into school shooting.

Blaming it on bullying is not a solution."

can`t blame it on bullying at all imo. its a natural part of life. its the parents. the teachers, and/or any other responsible adult around. when the kid goes to said adult explains his situation then said adult usually either doesn`t take any action at all or any action taken doesn`t give any significant results to do any good.
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Male 25,416
Mrs Poods is spot on
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Female 1,798
@ Markust123:

You simply cannot compare a Stephen King novel to a realistic, nearly 3-D first-person shooter that rewards you for as much violence as you can show...it`s comparing apples to oranges.

And NO RESEARCH supports the "spare the rod, spoil the child" argument. Sorry.
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Male 251
People also need to realise that 3000+ hormone-laden, angst-ridden teens in one place with MAYBE one faculty member to every 30 young person is a recipe for disaster over time in most cases, even without social networking sites.
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Male 14,773
I don`t see how Americans can brag about their gun culture and jock culture and not take bullying seriously and not expect this to be a daily occurrence.
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Male 4,283
My generation grew up on the first slasher flicks and we were fine. We even had Stephen King`s book Rage. Nobody from my generation shot up their school. Not sure about the violent video games because we didn`t have those. I think the problem with the kids today is that parents don`t spank any more.
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Female 2,525
I`m with PsychGeek on this one. Things are different now. Modern technology allows kids to harass their peers any time, anywhere, and as viciously as they please, with few consequences. Unlike the days before social networking, bullying doesn`t stop when the last school bell rings. Kids have to deal with it at home now. Kids were disciplined for bad behavior when the principal could just call home and tell their parents what they were up to, but these days most parents have no idea what their teens get up to online. It`s behavior free of consequences, and as a result, kids become more ruthless.
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Female 1,798
@ Jamie76: I hear what you`re saying, and for the most part I agree. However, there is something here you haven`t taken into acount--technology. With the advent of violent video games, computers, and cell phones, has come a wave of children who are desensitized to violence, verbal abuse, and who use phones and computers as a way to make peers` lives miserable.

Those two factors have indeed made bullying worse, as kids are not as afraid to really lay into their peers. add to that the spoiled generation factor you mentioned, as well as the inability of school administrators to effectively treat the problem, and you have a huge problem.
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Male 2,737
Kick a dog long enough, eventually it bites you in the ass.
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Male 2,345
PsychGeek,

I take it from your name you study pyschology so you should well know that when i tell you I am an MFT you will know what that means.


MFTs, psychologist and MD`s have been saying for about the last 15 years that bullying haas not gone up in account or even gotten worse. The real issue lay with children of the current generations. They are brought up to believe they are special no matter what, they do not have to work for respect, it should just be given to them.

one study found that Teens and "tweens" (the fact that the concept of a tween exist at all is telling) expect more money, more vacation time for less work.

society and parents in general has failed this recent crop of children.

we need to understand that chlidren have to be exposed to failure early in life and competition so that they can build the emotional strength to handle rejection and bullying.

and yea, I was bullied at times, some times pre
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Male 2,345
bullying has always been around...it was when I was in school and generations before me.

the difference is that parents nowadays cuddle the crap outta their kids and tell them how wonderful and special there and how the world owes them everything. these kids are not emotionally capable of handling rejection.

I am not supporting bullying in the least but it is only recently that it has led to this reaction in kids.

the current gen of kids is broken, completely and there is no real ix for it.
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Female 2,525
School shootings aren`t a new phenomenon, just so you guys know. They`re not exclusive to this generation, so all that talk about "Kids are pussies these days. Back in my day I was slapped with a 2x4 covered in poison ivy and fire ants every weekday and I turned out fine" is kinda invalid.

The kid looks a bit like my younger brother and it creeps me out.
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Male 2,841
Why are our kids such pussies nowadays?
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Male 267
Yes, I said My Little Pony causes school shootings.

But really that was just an example of the mental health of these kids, heh.
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Male 267
Kid`s are such little wimps nowadays. Like Gerry said, bullying used to be 10x worse.

How many teenage boys get together and watch My Little Pony together when they get home from school now? Obviously an effed up generation we`re a part of right now. These kids are just ridiculous, no wonder they don`t know how to defend themselves or deal with their problems; they want to live in a fantasy world.
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Male 2,436
OK, I`ll *clicky-clicky*... but this better not be cherryplucker.com! I`m still waiting for it to load from another post.
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Male 37,888

Bullying was worse in the "good old days" but kids did not go into school shooting.

Blaming it on bullying is not a solution.
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Female 1,798
Poor kid....how many children will have to kill themselves or others before we realize that bullying is a huge, real problem that can`t be swept under the carpet? I hope he gets the help he needs.
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Female 547
He`s probably the TRUE "Daddy Didn`t Hug Me" of the day....
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Male 19,840
Link: UPDATE: Ohio Teen Shooter Has Been Identified [Rate Link] - Another bullied kid and he sort of announced what he wanted to do on his Facebook page.
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