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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 4:06 pm
    Link: The Obama Economic Record - This should be easy enough for a Liberal to understand.
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    ShadowVamp Female 18-29
    362 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 8:49 am
    I don`t know where you were living, but gas here on inauguration day was above $3.50/gallon. It`s gone gown to about $3.10 since. Also, I want this done for Bush`s terms.
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    hairybuttock Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 8:51 am
    It is almost as if there were a worldwide recession going on.
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    timbarooni Male 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 8:52 am
    What the hell is a "misery index"? And are we ignoring that Obama inherited this pooe situation from the Bush administration?
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    Ze_German Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 8:52 am
    Correlation does not mean causality. Not sure if this is easy enough for a conervative to understand.
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    fuelandfire Female 18-29
    13 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 8:52 am
    You really want to open up this can of worms?
    If you put someone into a ship that`s already sinking, it`s going to keep sinking especially for awhile until they can patch it. But that should go without saying, this post is just being argumentative.
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    FoSchizle Male 18-29
    323 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 8:53 am
    As a conservative I admit that not everything on this chart was solely his fault. But no one can argue the point that he has helped the situation in the least.
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    Quik2TheStab Male 18-29
    661 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 8:58 am
    How are these his fault? I`ve never understood that "blame everything on the president" thing...
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    minigeko Male 18-29
    149 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 8:59 am
    oh stop being stupid. Gas was almost 5 bucks during the last presidency.
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    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
    559 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:00 am
    Imagine how much different this could have been if he had fulfilled his campaign promises.

    It seems like mo matter who wins the elections, America loses.
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    nick12684 Male 18-29
    85 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:01 am
    To the person that commented first, (and then deleted it) that was trying to give obama credit and discrediting the record at the same time. I remember when gas prices were $1.60/gallon, towards the end of the fall 2008 season (after the general elections but before christmas.) and what will it prove if we get bushes record? that he was worse than Clinton but better than Obama? that information would be about as useless as tits on a bull. (if they censors the word "tits" the word that is being censored is another word for the things that have curves on a woman`s chest and starts with a "T"
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:07 am
    Why do you guys keep blaming Obama for Bush`s mess? I bet he could dig you guys out of the hole in no time, if you`d stop harassing him and blocking him at every turn and let him tax the rich.
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
    3435 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:07 am
    It`s easy for anyone capable of rational thought to understand, is that your definition of liberal?
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    SavageNation Male 40-49
    186 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:11 am
    LMAO "Its all because of Bush!" Bush`s fault too on Obamas ELABORATE MILLION $$$ Vacations every few months? Bushes fault on a $220,000 tea party why the rest of America is applying for Food Stamps w/out a Job? Bush fault on Michelle dropping $50,000 on Clothing, Yeah Okkkkkkkkkk.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 9:13 am
    Obama said himself that he`d be a one term president if things were not better in three years. Video
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
    3435 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:14 am
    I am going to give you a house that is actively on fire, burning as we speak, when you are unable to out out that fire because half of the people I hire to help you, also hate you, you will be left with a charred mess much larger than what you began with. The original arson has already hauled ass and all you can try to do is rebuild something from the rubble.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
    546 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:18 am
    Poor Obama, we hired him to lead. Thinking he could change things. We didn`t know he was not capable, experienced, or bright enough to see the true state of the union and solutions for it.

    We all know none of this is his responsibility. If he could have been elected our first president instead of George Washington, we then would see his ability to give us the nation we all deserve.
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    activitie Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 9:21 am
    I guess the fact that the economy was trending down and we were entering a recession before Obama even took office has nothing to do with it?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:24 am
    OutWest: We didn`t know he was not capable, experienced, or bright enough to see the true state of the union and solutions for it.

    We tried to warn everyone, He was a one term senator from one of the most corrupt states in the union, I know I live here, with no experience in creating jobs, business, etc...

    You guys voted for him because you hated GW Bush, period. Maybe next time you`ll vote with your head and not just your heart.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 4, 2012 at 9:28 am

    No matter who took over after Bush, we`d be in this mess. It`s the Corporations that drive the economy, not the government.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 9:31 am
    "Why do you guys keep blaming Obama for Bush`s mess?"

    Because Obama is doing everything Bush was doing but more aggressively.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 9:32 am
    Another broad insult at liberals in the link`s description. Great. Thanks, AJ. Encouraging one group of voters to attack another group of voters, while the corporations rape the heck out of the middle class, is really going to help things.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 9:37 am
    The sad thing is that there are still people willing to jump through hoops in order to make excuses for his incompetence.

    If your vote in 2008 was an attempt to prove you weren`t a racist, please, in 2012 aim for proving you`re not an idiot.
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 9:38 am
    @SliverThread

    I get what you`re saying. I don`t think Obama is capable of putting out that fire, either. I understand that you`re saying he`s ineffective as an individual, and therefore could never be effective as a leader. Maybe if we had a more experienced fire fighter who knew how to deal with fires, he could handle that mess... Me and you, we`re just on a different level of understanding each other *wink*
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    DeutschDude9 Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Gas Prices

    - Take a look at the 5 year span of gas prices. And you`ll see a steep drop when Obama took office. But we are still not at the peak that happened when bush left. The real comparison should be between $4.12 then and $3.39 now
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:41 am
    "No matter who took over after Bush, we`d be in this mess. It`s the Corporations that drive the economy, not the government."

    This.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:46 am
    "If your vote in 2008 was an attempt to prove you weren`t a racist, please, in 2012 aim for proving you`re not an idiot."

    Oh, because people weren`t able to actually like what Obama campaigned on? And actually liked him in general? It was simply "proving that we weren`t racist" huh? Considering you`re unable to look past his race to the point that you think there`s no way he could have any redeeming qualities to voters besides being black, I think that says quite a lot about you.

    And who do you suggest we vote for in 2012 to "prove we`re not idiots"? All of the republican candidates (save for Ron Paul) are extremely bought and /not/ looking out for the middle class or the poor. They are a bunch of unqualified clowns. I wish Obama had done more of what he promised he`d do instead of giving into pressure for corporations and republicans. But he`s still a much better option than the idiot Republican candidates opposing him.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:50 am
    Monthly Job losses and gains since the Great Recession began- Red is Bush and Blue is Obama. Source Bureau of Labor Statistics.



    Now which chunks of this graph do you think Fox decided to show viewers?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:54 am
    DeutschDude9: The steep drop in gas prices occurred before the 2008 election. Obama has hurt the oil industry and gave out billions in government backed loans to `Green` companies, like Solyndra, that filed for bankruptcy.

    He`s blocked offshore oil drilling, blocked the Keystone pipeline, and sent his attack dogs in the media out to smear `fracking`.
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    Wowummwow Male 18-29
    265 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:56 am
    "I am going to give you a house that is actively on fire, burning as we speak, when you are unable to out out that fire because half of the people I hire to help you, also hate you, you will be left with a charred mess much larger than what you began with. The original arson has already hauled ass and all you can try to do is rebuild something from the rubble."

    The only thing I would add is that half not only hates, but is dousing you in gasoline to watch you burn to make them feel better.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:56 am
    Wow. ~Squrlz bows down before Lillian~

    Lillian, if you were 20 years older, and a squirrel...
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    birdawg68 Male 40-49
    132 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:57 am
    @ squrlz4sale That is exactly how I feel. But it is easier for those of small intellect to just repeat their party line and call each other names. You can`t really blame them though, they are doing the same as their politicians. And we can all see that is ineffective in resolving anything. And by the way, the chart that brought all this discussion on lost all validity at the gas price section. That is absolute bullpoo. Don`t care enuff to research the rest.
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    birdawg68 Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 9:59 am
    Lillian- I agree, the repubs do not have a viable candidate to oppose Obama. And being the ineffective leader he is, that pretty pathetic.
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    thatjimguy Male 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 9:59 am
    SOURCE please...just a pic with number that I could have made up y`know
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:02 am
    QueenZira: Yeah, right. Except that there are now a lot more people on unemployment, food stamps, and just plain gave up looking for work since he came into office.

    Let`s take a look at the real numbers shall we ?

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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 10:04 am
    Squrlz4Sale-"Another broad insult at liberals"

    When did insults at liberals become `uncalled for ` and (dare I say it) `racist`, but insults at conservatives remain not only a right but `patriotic`?

    Oh yeah, probably about the same time that disagreeing with the President went from being `Patriotic` to `Racist`. (I`d figure that happened on January 20th, 2009....hmmm...what else happened on that date?)

    Hillary Clinton in 2003: "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration."

    But, in 2011, you turn your back in silent desent at a speech by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton you get
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5864 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:05 am
    LillianDulci-" weren`t able to actually like what Obama campaigned on?"

    He campaigned on a vague soundbite of `Change`, with no job creating experience and was not properly vetted by a liberal `my leg is tingling` media.

    LillianDulci- no way he could have any redeeming qualities"

    I never said he had no redeeming qualities. He seems to be a great family man. But none of his redeeming qualites qualifies him for the job he`s in.
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    whipplefunk Male 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 10:06 am
    Incendiary Bullpoo. TROLOLOLOLOLO
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    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
    886 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:06 am
    Screw conservatives. And screw liberals.

    When I point a finger at what is wrong, I point two fingers not one.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:07 am
    I think it`s a little retarded to assume that the moment someone takes office, things will change right back around, but it seems this graphic is what it`s designed for.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 10:08 am
    I`d like to see the source for these numbers just so the same chart can be compiled for all presidents since and including Reagan. That should be interesting, and be more revealing than just one president.
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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 10:09 am
    Children... Children please.. calm down.. Idiots gonna post, mmkay.
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    clockwork208 Male 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 10:10 am
    Heh, it doesn`t matter what party "wins" the elections. As long as people are willing to put aside all common sense and ignore facts, corporations will continue to rule while morons bicker about who is right or wrong.

    G`head folks. Keep preaching your side because, surely, YOUR side can`t be wrong. And that`s all that matters.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:10 am
    Lillian: You have some gall, you say the GOP candidates are unqualified ? What a laugh!

    Obama hadn`t even served a full term as senator, and didn`t draft a single piece of legislation while he held that office.

    Obama was bought from the very begining too, take a look at his biggest campaign contributors from 2008, Link Goldman Sachs, Microsoft, Google, JP Morgan Chase, Citibank, Time Warner, UBS, Morgan Stanley, etc..

    It`s just too easy to refute your claims Lillian, your game is weak.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:10 am
    birdawg68: Thanks; I agree with much of what you`re saying. Thing is, I`ve chatted with AJ, and like him personally. (Hi, AJ, if you`re reading this.) I thought he liked me too. I just don`t get the desire to slam liberals on here some have. I don`t post descriptions calling conservatives stupid. Nor would I want to.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 10:10 am
    No reference sources. Any "infograph" should site where it got it`s info. Basic manipulation, like with toothpaste commercials "4 out of 5 dentists agree that.."
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 10:12 am
    QueenZira: Time Warner, as I just listed, is one of Obama`s biggest campaign contributors and best media shills.

    Weak sauce, try again.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 10:12 am
    "You guys voted for him because you hated GW Bush, period. Maybe next time you`ll vote with your head and not just your heart."

    Remember that the option was to vote for McCain, who, with the exception of reforming healthcare, allowing gays to serve openly without shame, and preventing the collapse of the auto industry, would have done much the same as Obama.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 10:16 am
    "Obama was bought from the very begining too" Uh-oh. You`re starting to sound like a OWS person. You want change? Vote for someone who doesn`t take contributions from corporations. VCote for Newt!!! Oh, um...wait...never mind. Vote for Mitt!! wait...that doesn`t work either...um....
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:18 am
    @Megrendel: It`s hard to discuss the topic with you because you`re creating Straw Man arguments. Who`s said that insulting conservatives is "patriotic," as you claim? Anyone in this thread? Not that I can see.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:19 am
    jtrebowski: I very much doubt that, McCain would`ve done a much better job. Hell I`ll even admit that Hillary would`ve done a better job.

    Obama has take government regulation and heavy handedness to unbelievable levels, and wishes to take it even further. He`s smothering our economy and no one in the business sector, short of his corporate `buddies`, have any confidence in him.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:20 am
    Crakr 2 can play at this game, who are Romney`s donors that I may disregard what they say as well?

    Anywhoo, Time is also quoting the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    But then again, this is also a reliable member of The Free Market, ie. they can do no wrong according to Cons. Why doubt these fine, upstanding, godlike titans of industry now?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 10:22 am
    jtrebowski: How about voting for the person who was in charge of balancing our national budget last time... hmmm who would that be ? Ah that`s right Newt.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:27 am
    Clinton created a budget surplus, not Newt, who famously shut down the government because of his own pig headed obstructionism for a few months and was summarily persona non grata for the rest of `96. And in that congressional election, he suffered heavy losses in the House. History FTW.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:28 am
    QueenZira: Time Warner a reliable member of the free market ? You`re joking right ? Didn`t Time Warner and the other media companies help draft SOPA and PIPA ? You do know who owns them right ?

    If not, It`s Ted Turner.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:29 am
    QueenZira: Bill Clinton didn`t do sh|t and it was Bill that shutdown the government because he wouldn`t agree to the balanced budget.

    Wow, you have a bent version of history there.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:33 am
    Crakr, Google any source from the era and come outside of that Rep. alternate reality bubble. Geesh.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:34 am
    QueenZire: Also, you`re going to call 9 house seats "Heavy Losses", LOL.

    Obama lost 63 seats in the house in 2010, now that`s "Heavy Losses".
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:37 am
    QueenZira: If anyone is in a `bubble` here it is you, I`ve soundly trounced all your false crap, with facts that anyone can look up on google in a few minutes.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:38 am
    I`m done here, No sense beating this dead horse further.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 10:43 am
    Bill Clinton allowed this mess to get started under his watch by hiring a Goldman Sachs guy as Secretary of Treasury (Robert Rubin). George W. Bush let things get way out of control, cut taxes while starting two expensive wars. Obama made small, somewhat feeble attempts to patch the hole in the economy but little to fix the system because ultimately the banks and large corporations have a strangle hold on government.

    Nobody is safe on this issue.
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    Mimbles Female 18-29
    118 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:59 am
    Its been a lot longer then 4 years since gas was that cheap...
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 11:05 am
    No matter what crap you say about Obama he`s still no Bush. If this chart were about Bush it would be 10 times worse. I`m not saying Obama is great, I`m just saying that electing any random idiot republican conservative isn`t going to solve anything.
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    we_suffer Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 11:13 am
    What people seem to keep forgetting is he inherited the issues of his presidency, they are not the result of HIS actions. Furthermore there is no guide book for how to be a President. Anyone who claims to have the answers is a liar. All they can do is formulate theories for courses of action and hope they work out. It is all pure speculation. When will people realize the only science involved in politics is the science of keeping the people sedated and the application of removing our rights. This applies to both sides of the aisle by the way.
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    Adokenai Female 18-29
    40 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 11:14 am
    SarahofBorg, I think your comment is the most ignorant comment I have seen on politics in a very very long time. The Democrats are idiots too, ya know...
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 11:20 am
    Adokenai, I didn`t imply all republicans are idiots. I`m implying that simply by being a republican conservative doesn`t mean you`re superior to liberals. The caption of this photo was an insult to liberals implying that a conservative president would be an improvement. Bush was a republican conservative idiot and yet was far, far worse. What we need isn`t a republican, a conservative, a liberal OR a democrat. We just need a good president.
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    Adokenai Female 18-29
    40 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 11:25 am
    I quote: `I`m just saying that electing any random idiot republican conservative isn`t going to solve anything.`

    That actually DOES imply that you think all republican conservatives are idiots. Especially in often heated discussions, like the ones about politics, you have to be careful how you phrase things, because people will take things and run with them.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 11:33 am
    we_suffer, anyone who claims that Obama got this economy the way it is from Bush Jr has to also admit that Clinton got his economy from Regean and Bush Sr.

    Yeah, the economy was sinking when Obama got it, but Obama didn`t help it with his anti-business mantra (except his financial backings which Crackr has already stated).
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    whyme73 Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 11:52 am
    where was gas 1.85 in 2009?
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    Erm, OK Mr. Conservative, are you arguing that McCain would have done better? I`m not saying that Obama did a good job, but I am saying that McCain would have done much, much worse...
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    3002-3038 Female 18-29
    633 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    gas price 1.85 2009?
    boooooooooooooooooool schittttttt
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    haha global cometitiveness #1 on 2009? I think China`s been at it for a bit longer than that
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    CrakrJak, just fyi, talking about how you feel Obama is unqualified (which, btw, considering he`s been president for nearly a full term, he`s more qualified. I`m not talking about the past here) does not refute my point at all. I didn`t mention whether or not Obama was unqualified in the past.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    I dont believe allot of facts on the internet and some of this is flawed with errors
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    Also to this point: "Obama was bought from the very begining too"

    Please go back and read what I said. First, this again doesn`t refute my point, because Obama being bought does not refute whether the republican candidates are bought (which they are). Second, if you read what I wrote, you would have read this: "I wish Obama had done more of what he promised he`d do instead of giving into pressure for corporations and republicans." Focus specifically "giving into pressure for corporations". That`s the essence of being bought, giving into corporations. So, you "refuted" something I already mentioned in my original reply...
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    Lillim Female 30-39
    269 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    My problems with this chart are:

    1) If you trace it back, it was published by the Republican Policy Committee, and many of the "supporting documents" they use are... also published by the RPC. Sounds fishy.

    2) If you trace documents back far enough, you`ll see that (among other carefully paraphrased data) the unemployment rate is falling as we speak, just as it was rising (due to Bush policies) when Obama took office.

    3) The "misery Index" is gotten by adding unemployment rates to inflation rates, so if both are up, of course the MI will be up. Inflation has been at or below average every year that Obama`s been president, according to both the BLS and numerous other sites.

    4) As whyme73 said, "where was gas 1.85 in 2009?" If they`re willing to falsify this data, how much of the rest of it is trustworthy?

    I`m not saying all these numbers are wrong, just be a little wary of the source, especially if it`s willin
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    Lillim

    The unemployment rate is only falling because people have given up looking for work! The actual number of people out of work is still rising; Obama counts this as a victory!
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    Yes it is simple. Too simple.

    Here for example is what private job creation looks like over time:



    The problem isn`t that the math is too complex for liberals. The problem is that Republicans would much prefer it if the details were left out.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:55 pm
    The question to ask yourself is would any other candidate have made any difference? The state of the world economy dictates the majority of the figures on this chart, no single person is to blame for that. It does seem that the US hasn`t quite grown up enough to not worry about the ethnicity of their president.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    FYI, the graph just displayed has nothing to do with people "no longer looking for work", which is a popular myth being pushed by the right.

    U6 and U3 unemployment have always had a relatively static gap. That gap has not significantly changed under Obama. "What about the people not looking for work" is no more an issue when looking at unemployment now, as it was under any other President.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 1:14 pm
    If I scan through the political comments and ignore a few of the crazies, some of you on both sides make pretty good points. And I walk away not all worked up. I wish there was a way to hide certain people and any comment with their name in it. This site would be that much more fun.
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    Pyrosisflame Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    crazy times we live in
  83. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    which is a popular myth being pushed by the right


    Myth "confirmed" actually:

    Now this graph is actually hurts Bush more than it is does Obama, but it doesn`t really help the latter though.
  84. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    Cajun247 how does that chart make Obama look bad? His numbers are actually rising. You can`t expect things to go back to perfect right away.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 1:38 pm
    @Lillian
    I`m saying it`s nothing he should be proud of growth is VERY anemic, in fact it is too anemic.
  86. Profile photo of guillotine
    guillotine Male 18-29
    17 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 1:48 pm
    I just read that stat today about 1.2 MILLION people no longer being considered part of the work force. Again blind Obama supporters ignore facts and embrace "hope". http://www.zerohedge.com /news/ record-12-million-people- fall-out-labor-force-one-month- labor-force-participation-rate-tumbles-
  87. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 1:52 pm
    Cajun:
    ... You`ve confirmed the wrong thing.

    The myth is that "people not looking for work" no longer being part of "U3" unemployment makes the rate more attractive than it really is.

    My rebuttal was that they are still captured in U6 unemployment, and that U6 vs U3 have never shown a pattern of any variance, even during the great depression.



    U6 is always 50-100% higher than U3. Right now it`s hovering around 60%, nothing ever changes that, Obama has no "hidden problem" that other Presidents haven`t had w/r U3 vs U6. It`s been the same for a century at least.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    Guillotine:
    Your latest post is exactly the bull I was refuting. Cajun: That`s the myth I was discussing.
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    Dylan5121 Male 13-17
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    February 4, 2012 at 2:11 pm
    I wonder why the price of gas dipped so far down on his inauguration day....
    This website proves it...
    Here
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    nubblins Female 18-29
    1743 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    I`d have a lot more to say if there were sources on the image, but alas.
    The only thing given to me was `mrconservative.com` and that just isn`t...
    Just, no.
  91. Profile photo of Fehz
    Fehz Male 30-39
    580 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    A week before the elections, gas was almost $4 a gallon.. I love how it was conveniently changed to take people`s mind off it during elections.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
    3770 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 3:39 pm
    and yet he will be re-elected. we are all well and truly screwed.
  93. Profile photo of Spannerman
    Spannerman Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 3:55 pm
    These problems aren`t unique to America though
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    ZsaZsaGoar Female 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 4:19 pm
    Title should be "This should be uninformative enough for a dumb short sighted moron to base irrational hatred on."
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    Lillian: He isn`t qualified past, present, or future. Even Jimmy Carter wasn`t this much of a disaster.

    Obama will go down in history as one of the biggest presidential failures ever.

    Baal: your first chart only tracks monthly changes, not cumulative changes. GDP growth is anemic at best and overall unemployment is a lot worse, especially among the middle-class and poor, whom he claims to care so much about.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
    546 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    The new head Coach of the Indianapolis Colts was just hired to turn the team around and to win the Super Bowl.

    I wonder if when he accepted the job he knew or understood the state of the team, personnel, etc?

    I wonder if Pagano coaches for the next three years and instead of the team being a dismal 2 and 14 as they were under the old head coach the team finishes 1 and 15, if he will still be retained? If it will not be his fault? Because he inherited a bad team?

    I wonder......
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 4:37 pm
    Dylan: Gas prices started dropping in September of 2008 and Gasoline was NOT $4 a gallon, it was $2.20 a gallon just before the election.

    It dropped because GW Bush opened the national reserves and that cracked the backs of the commodities speculators and they had to sell their over supply of oil.

    The rise in gas prices from 2007 to 2008 was artificially high because of the commodities speculators. These vultures are at it again now and trying to drive the price per barrel to $150 or more.

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    Spear Male 18-29
    36 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 5:24 pm
    8 Years of Bush + 4 years of Obama = this...
    f*cking Keynesian economics
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5864 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 5:43 pm
    Squrlz4Sale-"Who`s said that insulting conservatives is "patriotic," "

    Well, when Bush was in office, liberals in general and Hillary Clinton Specifically (which I quoted).

    The minute Obama took office, desenting opinion suddenly became `racist` (at least, according to liberals...of course, the Race Card is all they got).

    And I agree, also, that it was both parties that got us into this mess.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 5:51 pm
    I can`t imagine what some of the haters on here are going to do when Obama gets re-elected. It`s going to be pretty amusing to watch.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    i`m sorry, but who was president when the economy tanked?.. Whose lax regulation policies allowed it to happen in the first place?

    And also, who decided that you can just draw a straight trend line from then to now?.. About a year after the mortgage crisis the economy was much worse than it is today (because the full effect of the crash didn`t hit right away).. As far as i know, the trend lines across the board are positive at the moment..

    Conclusion: Obama inherited a poostorm of problems, which he has turned around in spite of fierce opposition to any and all proposed solutions, and yet he still gets the blame for it happening in the first place..

    These are things that should be obvious to all people with common sense.. Like what causes the fases of the moon.. But of course, common sense isn`t common at all..
  102. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 6:15 pm
    "Obama will go down in history as one of the biggest presidential failures ever."

    Two Words: George Bush
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    ultimakewl Male 18-29
    833 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 6:40 pm
    wow... where in January 2009 were gas prices under $2? or even $2.50?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5864 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    FoolsPrussia-"Two Words: George Bush"

    Five Names:
    -Richard Nixon
    -Jimmy Carter
    -John Tyler
    -Warren G. Harding
    -Barack Obama

    All I would consider bigger failures than Bush. Obama at least has the chance of redeeming his legacy. I doubt he had the capacity.
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    Selous Male 30-39
    1197 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    wow, homes are so damn cheep in the US
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    OutWest Male 50-59
    546 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    I can`t imagine what some of the haters on here are going to do when Obama gets re-elected. It`s going to be pretty amusing to watch.

    Or Vice Versa..... Will you be OK?
  107. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 7:03 pm
    "-Barack Obama

    All I would consider bigger failures than Bush. "

    Wow. You`re really delusional...
  108. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 7:40 pm
    "Will you be OK?"

    Absolutely. There is zero chance a Republican will get elected this round. The candidates are too weak. The only electable one was Jon Huntsman. But he just wasn`t crazy enough for this field of loons.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    except that most of those impacts happened far too early in his presidency for him to actually prevent, that`s like complaining that I crashed a train into a wall when I became the driver when we were 5 feet away and going 100 miles/hour
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
    1444 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 7:55 pm
    Truly amazing that only one person was able to cause all that! I am a hardcore republican, but I enjoy reality and I`m not going to blame people for stuff they did not do or cause What happened would probably have happened with any president.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
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    February 4, 2012 at 7:57 pm
    Viking 864,

    I think I love you. A moderate Republican.
  112. Profile photo of thubanstar
    thubanstar Female 50-59
    815 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 8:00 pm
    And on that note... isn`t everyone tired of the finger pointing? Pretty sure we all want a lot of the same stuff, just going about it differently.

    Bush and his crew were there for the beginning of all this. And "all this" was due to stuff pretty much not under their control.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:42 pm
    I agree Viking, but the buck stops with the President.

    What`s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Bush was blamed for causing this mess, and he partially is, but Obama needs to shoulder the blame for making it worse.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 9:43 pm
    Also, Squirlz:

    I submitted this ages ago. Maybe I was pissy when I wrote that description.

    Sorry to everyone if I hurt feelings. Truly wasn`t my intention.
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    clancy54 Male 18-29
    83 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:22 pm
    While I may not be the most knowledgeable about most of the categories on there,a telling thing to me is how it is obviously skewed. Gas prices were at $4.15 not a few months before he took office. I`m not really in favor nor against Obama, but that is something I think needs to be remembered.
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    Simbosan Male 40-49
    159 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:30 pm
    "Bush was blamed for causing this mess, and he partially is, but Obama needs to shoulder the blame for making it worse."

    You spelled `better` wrong. Your country is recovering, employment is rising. God forbid you blame Obama for that. The Credit Crunch was a Republican invention, groundwork deregulation by Reagan and final polish by Bush
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
    2385 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:36 pm
    yea its all his fault absolutely everything, my side is right and your side is wrong =/
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
    2385 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:36 pm
    where the drat was gas less than 2 dollars?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    The national average for Gasoline on inauguration day, was $1.83. It had been as low as $1.61 just before.



    See?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:39 pm
    You`ll have to do a sort by 4 years.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 10:41 pm
    That spike right before the drop is when that fake gas shortage happened. Remember when everyone freaked out for a few weeks and gas prices went boo boo?
  122. Profile photo of HiEv
    HiEv Male 40-49
    621 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 11:31 pm
    Wow. You`ve got to have your head pretty far up your butt to lay the blame for all of that on Obama.

    Any Republicans who have wiped the fact that the economy tanked under Bush shortly before Obama took office just so they can believe this nonsense do no service to their cause.

    And yeah, the gas prices is some pretty lame cherry picking of data. Go back 6 months before inauguration and it`s higher than the all time high under Obama. (source) Yeah, even adjusted for inflation the record high for gas prices in US history was under Bush Jr.
  123. Profile photo of elhowell
    elhowell Male 18-29
    168 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 12:26 am
    Did anyone notice that the unemployment rate did not change "9%" it changed 1.7%

    It`s not biased!~!
  124. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 1:08 am
    Um elhowell. 9% of 7.5 is .7%.

    It changed by 9%, not to 9%.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 1:10 am
    All of these stats are verifiable.

    The thing is, and I freely admit this, this is a snapshot. That being said, Obama took the Bush aided drat ups, that he promised to "change", and made them worse.
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    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
    625 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 2:18 am
    Dey tuk er jerbs!!!
  127. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 4:11 am
    HiEv: The economy tanked because of the mortgage scandal, something GW Bush tried to get fixed in 2005, but the democrats pulled the race card, as they usually do, and claimed nothing was wrong with Fannie or Freddie.

    The regulators that audited Fannie and Freddie were lambasted, by democrats, about their warnings in congressional hearings, and outright lied about stability of GSEs. Video
  128. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 4:16 am
    The economy tanked because of the mortgage scandal, something GW Bush tried to get fixed in 2005

    No, it tanked because of Bush Jr`s big Government policies and spending.
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    LycanMutt Female 18-29
    60 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 4:18 am
    Change I can believe in.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 4:35 am
    Do you see that blue turning into red?



    Although it was inevitable he`d do badly, considering the economy he inherited, but I am a bit shocked about quite how badly he managed to do.
  131. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 7:11 am
    Cajun: If the loans had been solid, they didn`t play the stock market with them, and then eventually have to get bailed out, there would`ve been no recession.

    Instead they fell like dominoes, taking people`s retirement and pension funds with them. By the way, it was the democrats holding both the house and senate that did the big government spending, at the behest of the `too big to fail` banks and investment companies that bankrolled their election campaigns.
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    andybme Male 50-59
    296 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 7:37 am
    It`d be interesting to see that same chart for GWB and Clinton
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    daverazor Male 50-59
    198 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 8:10 am
    Silly people still insist that it is just one persons fault. It sure isn`t the fault of the masses. Couldn`t be that. It`s from the short sightedness and indulgent lifestyle of the whole damn nation and we are crying to blame somebody. Both parties are to blame as well as the citizens.
  134. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 9:07 am
    By the way, it was the democrats holding both the house and senate that did the big government spending, at the behest of the `too big to fail` banks and investment companies that bankrolled their election campaigns.

    With the exception of one farm bill Bush`s signature is still on that spending.
  135. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 10:03 am
    Cajun: At the time it was either sign the bill or have no funding for our troops, no funding for school lunches, no funding for roads and bridges, etc...

    Only Clinton and Obama have been stubborn enough to threaten government shutdowns over certain bills.
  136. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 11:00 am
    "Although it was inevitable he`d do badly, considering the economy he inherited, but I am a bit shocked about quite how badly he managed to do."

    Most of what the opposition sees has been painted in their minds by sensationalist media. People that only use news sources that follow the standards of journalism see a President that has been working tirelessly 9-11 hours a work day to get America out of this mess. They see some missteps but they can also see that he has good in his heart. The economy is improving and unemployment is decreasing but it takes time.
  137. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 11:11 am
    At the time it was either sign the bill or have no funding for our troops, no funding for school lunches, no funding for roads and bridges, etc...

    So we don`t care how much money we`re spending we got obligations to fulfill? Though I doubt there was other spending that would be vetoed along simultaneously with the bill.
  138. Profile photo of iaboard
    iaboard Male 30-39
    1 post
    February 5, 2012 at 1:54 pm
    If you graphed those stats it would look like a V; nearly all were declining when he took office, nearly all are improving now. It takes a while to turn a battleship. Right-wingers like the guy who made that chart know this, the best they can do is try to distract and mislead.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
    1423 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 2:19 pm
    lol.. 8.5% - 7.8% equals 9%.. Nice math, dude.
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    February 5, 2012 at 2:46 pm
    up 9% idiot
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 2:49 pm
    Cajun: It just proves that republicans are willing to compromise and work together to get things done, whereas the democrats do not reciprocate.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 2:58 pm
    It just proves that republicans are willing to compromise and work together to get things done

    It proves that Republicans are typical beltway big-government conservatives who also don`t care about how much money is being spent.
  143. Profile photo of Pharmer
    Pharmer Female 18-29
    22 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 4:11 pm
    Maybe CreamK voted for Obama and is one of those statistics :P
  144. Profile photo of tatripp
    tatripp Male 18-29
    1196 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    He is saying that there was a 9% increase you tards.

    As much as I hate Obama and think he spends way to much, I`m suspicious about the gas price. I don`t ever remember gas that cheap (maybe cuz i`m in California). I like how we have a misery index.
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    February 5, 2012 at 5:56 pm
    We were #1 in "Global Competitiveness" the day Obama was inaugurated?

    Where do you find this garbage?
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3039 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 6:00 pm
    Oh... submitted by auburnjunky, from that internet bastion of truth and accuracy, mrconservative.com

    Posting anything from this website as truth is simply dishonest.

    Pretty weak AJ... this is the kind of thing I expect from Crakr...
  147. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 6:00 pm
    Cajun: Not true. When republicans make a stand they get called partisan and divisive. When democrats do it they are called patriotic and determined.

    The fact remains that democrats are by far the big government, big spending, and most corrupt party in the nation.
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    Stand4Christ Male 18-29
    35 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 6:10 pm
    Ummm.... everyone seems to be questioning the statistics without even doing a simple Google search, I questioned them as well, but then did the search because I can`t remember when gas was 1.85 a gallon, but according to treehugger.com, it was in the end of 2008. Just do the search before you start yelling at conservatives just because they may have an ulterior motive, they did get the facts right this time.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 6:28 pm
    The fact remains that democrats are by far the big government, big spending, and most corrupt party in the nation.

    Considering the spending plans that Clinton repeatedly vetoed in his second term (not that he`s blameless for the housing crisis) and the expansion of government under Bush Jr, I found this assertion incredibly dubious.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    February 5, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    It`s a flat out lie.
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    notorious98 Male 30-39
    151 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 8:49 pm
    New Jersey had some of the lower gas prices in the country because they have their own refineries and gas never dropped below $2.00/gallon after shooting up to nearly $4.00/gallon in `08. Treehugger.com has gotten their facts mixed up. I know this because I delivered pizza from August of `08 to August of `09.

    Also, it`s hard to blame Obama for college tuition being so high. He can`t force universities to set their prices to a certain amount.

    This is coming from a guy who`s pulling hard for Ron Paul to win. I`ve never been an Obama fan, but find it difficult to blame him for things outside of his control.
  152. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    For brainwashing to work you have to get your victims into a constant agitated state. This is how the military works. Without the agitated state the logical brain works. The media did this to the liberals with Bush and they are doing it to the conservatives with Obama. As one who is not in an agitated state I can see clearly the brainwashing that is happening to conservatives. I will never go back even when my "side" loses. My eyes are wide open to the manipulation.
  153. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 11:32 pm
    Cajun: The `spending plans`, aka budgets, that congress agreed to, had budget cuts that Clinton disliked and he shutdown the government rather than sign them. The budget was balanced despite Clinton, not because of him.
  154. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    February 6, 2012 at 2:38 am
    had budget cuts that Clinton disliked and he shutdown the government rather than sign them

    Sure, but still would`ve resulted in a net increase in spending.
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    Fleaman1797 Male 18-29
    718 posts
    February 6, 2012 at 3:30 am
    You guys voted for him. oh he was gonna change it all. yep. he sure did change stuff.. just for the worse instead of for the better.
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    Jammey Male 18-29
    239 posts
    February 6, 2012 at 3:51 am
    I still find it fascinating how the US use the word `liberal` as an insult
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    HAHAyousuk Male 18-29
    153 posts
    February 6, 2012 at 3:52 am
    at the beginning of Bush`s presidency, weren`t we at, like, a trillion dollar debt? and at the end we were at 10 trillion? that`s a 1000% increase, for obama, he`s only at 50%... right?
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    February 6, 2012 at 5:12 am
    @Jammey: As do I. Or maybe "disheartening" is the correct word. Few Americans who haven`t lived aboard are aware of just how right-of-center American politics currently are. It`s one of the things that`s holding the U.S. back in a big way. (The other being that the political process has been bought out by corporate interests to such an extent that we are now a representative democracy in name only.)
  159. Profile photo of Buiadh
    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    February 6, 2012 at 6:08 am
    ITS A WORLDWIDE RECESSION dratNUTS!!!!

    Seriously, pick a few things that have got worse since BO took over and you put in in a table... Reminds me of Soviet propaganda.

    Ps, had this down as a 5Cats sub... Sorry 5Cats, this is more idiotic than your posts.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    February 6, 2012 at 7:48 am
    The hell is a "misery index"? "U.S. Global competitiveness"? No sources, vague categories with no units of measure. Fail post is fail.
  161. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    February 6, 2012 at 8:23 am
    @patchgrabber

    Misery index
    Global Competitiveness
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    February 6, 2012 at 9:14 am
    Cajun: No, It resulted in a balanced budget and a net increase in revenue.

    Squrlz: Just because America hasn`t joined in the lock step run into socialism, that Europe has, doesn`t mean it`s a bad thing.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 6, 2012 at 10:36 am
    @Crakr

    So a net increase in revenue and a decrease in the deficit was (partially) the result of bills getting vetoed? Thank you for proving my point.
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    sssfdg Male 18-29
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    February 6, 2012 at 10:44 am
    U.S. Global Competativeness... huh? What is that? Frankly i don`t think the US was #1 in anything on Obama`s inaugral day.
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    Jonix Female 18-29
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    February 6, 2012 at 11:17 am
    You know what else happened since Obama became president? I had like 2 colds, a sinus infection, had to reformat my hard drive, Skyrim bookcases were bugged, and SO MANY PEOPLE took arrows to the knee... I could go on and on.

    Worst. President. Ever.
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    strangersdk Male 18-29
    33 posts
    February 6, 2012 at 11:55 am
    This is so ridiculous. He walked into a recession he had no part in creating.
    How about you look at the same statistics, only instead of looking at inauguration day and today (which doesn`t take into account the downturn shortly after his inauguration, before any legislation he enacted had an effect), you look at the information from every January 31st since his inauguration. Then you`d get an actual idea of whether or not he has made improvements. Christ.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    February 6, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    "you look at the information from every January 31st since his inauguration. Then you`d get an actual idea of whether or not he has made improvements. Christ."

    It would be down just the same. Really?
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    February 9, 2012 at 8:42 pm
    @CrakrJak: There is blame on both sides of the aisle for the mortgage scandal (though I`d say it mostly lies with the banks), but my point wasn`t blame, it was timing.

    If you become mayor shortly after a town is decimated by a flood, you shouldn`t take all of the blame for the fact that things got worse after you became mayor. That`s just absurd. Things were going to get worse before they got better, no matter who was in office. That`s just how things work after a disaster.

    And yet, that`s exactly the kind of "logic" some people try to use to impugn Obama. It`s sickening.

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