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50 Responses to The Arab Muslim Slave Trade Of Africans

  1. Profile photo of midnightblis
    midnightblis Female 18-29
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    February 3, 2012 at 3:47 pm
    Link: The Arab Muslim Slave Trade Of Africans - Muslim Arabs hunted, enslaved, tortured and killed ethnic Africans for a millennium. Here are the facts...
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 11:51 am
    Is there anyone that didn`t know this? I mean, they still teach history in school correct?
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    Tetragramma Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    This should only shock dumb people.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    Europeans enslaved Africans, Arabs enslaved Africans, Africans enslaved each other and sold to both. That`s a lot of reparations.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    Facts on the internet... i dont believe it. :P
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Facts are not really relevant anymore.
    It`s about perception. You can`t use "slavery" on a black guy...you can only throw that up to whites.
    It`s PC ya know
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    @ lostinkorea: First time post from a brand new account that points a finger at Arab Muslims and says "look what they did!!!"

    It`s either Fancy, one of our beloved right-wingnuts or one of our regular trolls trollin`.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 4, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    My only question is, why are all the verbs in the description past tense?
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 1:32 pm
    You`re probably right Osi!
  10. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 1:35 pm
    Abd is not synonymous with slave, otherwise we`d use the word for slaves, which we don`t. The key difference being "abd" is consensual.

    Abeed isn`t the word for black. It`s the equivalent of the N-word.

    The Quran didn`t create slavery, and it`s only verses on slavery either put limitations, or cancellations on the prevailing practices.

    Numerical claims in this video: 140 million.
    Actual number seems to be 25M (roughly twice the American Slave Trade) with inflation from deaths being entirely politically motivated guesswork. Highest evidence for death toll is 10%. Not 85%.

    etc.

    Oldollie: Do you also wonder why the American trade isn`t called the Christian Jesusy Slave Trade?

    The allocation of your time given to thought has never impressed me.
  11. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 2:02 pm
    "The Quran didn`t create slavery, and it`s only verses on slavery either put limitations, or cancellations on the prevailing practices."

    The Quran didn`t outlaw slavery either and you would think any religous text that is considered a moral foundation for any group would say that `owning other people is wrong` in no uncertain terms.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    Europeans enslaved Africans, Arabs enslaved Africans, Africans enslaved each other and sold to both. That`s a lot of reparations.

    Europeans enslaved Europeans too. I don`t know off the top of my head if Arabs enslaved Arabs, but I`d be very surprised if that never happened.

    Applying modern unified identities (almost always foreign to the people concerned) to the past is quite silly. It`s not even very close to being true today and it was nowhere near true even just a couple of centuries ago. So, to give an example from my own country, some Irish enslaved some English, some English enslaved some Britons, some Norse enslaved some Britons and English, some English enslaved some Irish...etc, etc. None of them would have thought of themselves as Europeans. That`s a false identity that some people today are retroactively imposing on them.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 2:30 pm
    @Angillion. That was several centuries before the formation of nation-states and certainly way before they got around to Africa, and by the time they were there a common European identity and culture did exist. So I`m not exactly sure what your point is. I was talking about Africa, not slavery elsewhere. If I was I would have pointed out that Arabs took white slaves throughout the Black Sea region and the Med to sell in places like Bokhara and Khiva. But that would be somewhat irrelevant wouldn`t it?
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    "Applying modern unified identities (almost always foreign to the people concerned) to the past is quite silly. It`s not even very close to being true today and it was nowhere near true even just a couple of centuries ago"

    You contradict yourself in the very next sentence by using terms like English and Irish which certainly didn`t exist at the time. Angles, Saxons, Danes, Jutes. But no "English".
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    [quote">That was several centuries before the formation of nation-states and certainly way before they got around to Africa, and by the time they were there a common European identity and culture did exist.[/quote">

    A common European identity and culture doesn`t really exist today and certainly didn`t exist just a few decades ago.

    The slavery I referred to continued as late as the 12th century, which is well after the formation of nation-states.



    Anything else?An example
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    You contradict yourself in the very next sentence by using terms like English and Irish which certainly didn`t exist at the time. Angles, Saxons, Danes, Jutes. But no "English".

    The term "English" certainly existed by the 12th century, and for a long time before that.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    "The Quran didn`t outlaw slavery either and you would think any religous text that is considered a moral foundation for any group would say that `owning other people is wrong` in no uncertain terms. "

    But not imprisonment, which is what slavery in the Quran amounts to once all the limitations and cancellations are in place. (Keep in mind they had almost no prisons).

    Even this video hints at (but unscrupulously omits) the rules were not followed in the first place to allow the types of slavery they`re talking about.

    I`m happy to compare Quranic rules vs say the modern American Judicial system. That seems fair. Feel free to levy complaints that only apply to the former.

    Terms? Danger? Pay? Work? Race? Extent? Crimes?

    I`ll shorten this: Your only possible argument is demographics.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 4:13 pm
    "But not imprisonment, which is what slavery in the Quran amounts to once all the limitations and cancellations are in place. (Keep in mind they had almost no prisons)."

    I said in NO UNCERTAIN terms....you actually proved my point, thank you.

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    akabane Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 4:28 pm
    @ Otto67

    we still have slavery in the US. Check out the 13th amendment:

    The 13th Amendment to the Constitution declared that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

    key word, except. Slaves usually occurred after a war, and the men who didn`t died from the losing side became slaves. In Islam, however, we allow the slaves a bail, and rights.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 5:17 pm
    Malcolm X learned this truth when he made his pilgrimage to Mecca. When he came back and started telling the truth of history, Alijah Muhammad had him killed, and the most likely assassin was Louis Farrakhan.
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 6:20 pm



    CrakrJak...

    I got nothing but love for you, but did you really just suggest that Louis Farrakhan was the actual assassin?

    Dude...

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    Stand4Christ Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 7:03 pm
    @akabane: Yes, except may be key, but you are missing the key phrase it leads into: "as a punishment for a crime". What crime did these people commit? Not being Muslim? Oh, that`s what it was? Only, not. See, the point is the US Constitution only allows slavery as a punishment, which is not practiced currently by the government.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 7:40 pm
    Slavery is not just a white thing. It was pretty much a common societal structure globally until (and in some places after) white people abolished it. People need to get over it.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    February 4, 2012 at 8:17 pm
    "What crime did these people commit? Not being Muslim? Oh, that`s what it was?"

    Essentially. Muslims have three choices when it comes to people not of their faith.

    Convert them.
    Enslave them.
    Kill them.
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    mrhellhawk99 Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 10:00 pm
    maybe it`s good idea to educate yourself before posting a comment.
  26. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 5, 2012 at 12:00 am
    @mrhellhawk99 Sorry, I`m not watching an Islamic preacher for an hour and a half. Do you have a synopsis?
  27. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 5, 2012 at 3:44 am
    osirisascend: The 3 men convicted of Malcom X`s death didn`t do so on their own, they did so on orders, orders given by Elijah Mohammad through Louis Farrakhan.

    The Shabazz family certainly believes Farrakhan was involved in the plot.

    Louis Farrakhan said in a 1993 speech, "Was Malcolm your traitor or ours? And if we dealt with him like a nation deals with a traitor, what the hell business is it of yours? A nation has to be able to deal with traitors and cutthroats and turncoats."
  28. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 5, 2012 at 4:26 am
    @CrakrJak

    Your evidence about the orders seems highly circumstantial.
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    chutulhu Male 40-49
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    February 5, 2012 at 5:57 am
    @auburnjunky

    That`s religion for you.
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    2L82Pray Female 30-39
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    February 5, 2012 at 6:23 am
    25 out of 30 people think yellow is the only color to wear on Saturday. If you don`t wear yellow, you stick out-25 make up stupid reasons why they wear yellow (some god told us to)-they make fun of you-then they persecute you-then they revile you. Religion, in a nut shell. Change it to, Like Justin Bieber, PETA, ELF, or any other organization and the pattern is clear. Moral: stay away from organized Religion or anyone who CLAIMS they alone know what God wants, believes or Said (like God`s going to talk to One man alone because he`s sooooo Special: read, Egomaniac narcissistic personality disorder) Follow any organized Religion, Follow a crazy man to hell
  31. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 5, 2012 at 7:00 am
    Cajun: If there was any hard evidence, Farrakhan would be in prison. Malcolm was no saint, he`d done things illegal in his past, but when he learned the truth and started speaking about it, he knew his life was in danger.

    Apostasy carries a heavy penalty in islam even to this day.
  32. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 5, 2012 at 9:04 am
    Apostasy carries a heavy penalty in islam even to this day.

    Only in the most extreme sects. Of course he did become Sunni later in life though, but I doubt that would`ve been the prime motive nonetheless.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 5, 2012 at 9:45 am
    Cajun: A family in Canada was just convicted of the honor killings of 3 daughters and an ex-wife, it`s not isolated just in extreme sects. That whole religion is extreme no matter what sect you`re in.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 5, 2012 at 11:43 am
    Fallacy of composition Crakr.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 5, 2012 at 2:45 pm
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 5, 2012 at 2:45 pm
    Cajun: Do you want me to show you a list of the known honor killings worldwide ? It`s rather extensive and would take probably 4 or 5 posts.

    How about a short list of just the names of the victims in North America.

    - Aasiya Hassan
    - Abbas Rahan (8.)
    - Adam Rahan (11)
    - Alicia Riaz (10)
    - Amina Said (18)
    - Aqsa Parvez
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    - Sabia Rani (19)
    - Sabina Akhtar
    - Sabrina Larbi-Cherif
    - Sahar Daftary
  37. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 5, 2012 at 3:00 pm
    How about a short list of just the names of the victims in North America

    You have anecdotal evidence at best, I can give a list of cheaters who`ve been murdered as well.
  38. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 5, 2012 at 5:53 pm
    Cajun: Keep on making excuses, being an sophist, and ignoring the obvious in the name of political correctness..
  39. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 5, 2012 at 6:30 pm
    ...and you can keep on being the typical tinfoil-hat right-wing demogogue.
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    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
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    February 5, 2012 at 7:30 pm
    It is becoming easier every day to become anti-muslim srsly. Is there one good reason not to hate those people? That is not a joke I really wantt o hear a good answer a legit reason not to feel the way I do about them right now.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 5, 2012 at 8:53 pm
    It is becoming easier every day to become anti-muslim srsly. Is there one good reason not to hate those people? That is not a joke I really wantt o hear a good answer a legit reason not to feel the way I do about them right now.

    Most of them are reasonably decent people who ignore the brutally evil parts of their religion.

    Islam is much the same as Christianity in that respect.

    The problem is the wholly unsurprising tendency for power to end up in the hands of people who seek it most avidly, which tends to lead to religious zealots having wildly disproportionate amounts of power in a religion. Even being based on the teachings of someone who made 1960s hippies look aggressive didn`t stop Christianity going the same way. The Taliban et alia are no worse than the Inquisition was.
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    PringleMan Female 13-17
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    February 5, 2012 at 10:38 pm
    @Corpsecrank
    1) Roughly quoting Gandhi and Martin Luther King:
    "hate begets hate; violence begets violence etc."
    and all that boring moral poo.

    But I bet your hate isn`t unfounded. It probably stems from Islamic terrorists and your country`s anti-Islamic agenda.
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    PringleMan Female 13-17
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    February 5, 2012 at 10:39 pm
    But your hate is unfair, unjustified and shallow.

    2)Unfair: You hate muslims because of the violence and cruelty that exists in their religion and pasts. But that is true for every religion and ethnicity. So your hate for muslims should really be a hate for humanity.

    3) unjustified: I bet you do not know everything there is to know about Muslims and Islam - that is, you have not made an attempt to justify your hate - to prove that muslims really are worth hating as you think they are. (Proven by the fact that you did not know about the slavery of Africans and probably don`t know the cruelty of Muhammad and Muslims during the holy war to spread Islam.)

    4) Shallow: You can`t hate every innocent muslim out there (or rather, please don`t). Hating someone who is blameless is, frankly, racist.

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    PringleMan Female 13-17
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    February 5, 2012 at 10:49 pm
    Sorry,
    I`m not telling you not to hate. In all honesty, I hate Islam, and I am a (if superficial) muslim. I hate it because of all the mixed messages. Those that tell of equality, peace, and of civilized living; And then those that promote violence, and cruelty.

    If you are going to hate, define it and know what it is exactly you`re hating. Is it the innocent muslim (non non) or is it the cruelty and violence specific individuals have performed in the name of Allah (yes yes).

    Furthermore, know that as much as you hate those gun-slinging, terrorist muslims, there are people across the Atlantic who hate your patriotic Christian ass just as much. But in both areas there are individuals who understand the misinterpretations of the situation; that there are people who would abuse the rules to create war and inflict suffering on innocent people; that this stems from Islam, which is not alone in teaching violence. Those people who understand probably do not appreciate yo
  45. Profile photo of PringleMan
    PringleMan Female 13-17
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    February 5, 2012 at 10:51 pm
    Those people who understand probably do not appreciate your misplaced hatred.
    Which really adds to the problem more than solves it.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 6, 2012 at 12:45 am
    Hating someone who is blameless is, frankly, racist.

    That statement is, frankly, bullpoo.

    It`s racism if the hatred is a result of ideas about race. It`s not racism if the hatred is a result of anything else.
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    akabane Male 18-29
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    February 6, 2012 at 2:20 am
    @ stand4christ & auburnjunky

    The crimes they commited were going against muslims in war. Seriously, did you guys not even read what I said. They are war prisoners, and don`t we do the same when we are in war too? Look at all these prisons. In correct Islam, it is forbidden to mistreat the prisoners, sadly, people never really follow the rules now do they *cough* Guantanamo *cough*
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 6, 2012 at 8:05 am
    @akabane

    Gee your right those poor little terrorists we should do what they do and cut their heads off and send the video to their famlies.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 6, 2012 at 2:00 pm
    @McGovern

    Yes it`s terrible but by the same token we cannot ignore our effect on other people. It would be criminally naive to do so.
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
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    February 8, 2012 at 1:13 am
    Terrible. Nobody likes black people.

    The most disturbing thing about this video is it seems to be belittling slavery in the US.

    The second most disturbing is to think of all the babies murdered by Arab masters.

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