Teacher Vs Preacher

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 5 years ago Misc

A professor turns into Samuel L. Jackson briefly when an evangelist challenges him. NSFW Language.
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Male 15,832
I`m an atheist/agnostic, but I`d have to say that the "professor" made a complete ass of himself.
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Female 2,674
Isn`t that likely because the class is tough and from past experience, they`ve noticed that only a portion of the class does enough work/studies hard enough/gets enough help to actually pass? I`ve never met a professor who wants the students to fail or fails students for no reason. I have met professors who want to teach us and aren`t going to be lenient just because some people don`t try hard enough.
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Male 17,512
Lillian: Having several graduates, in my circle of family and friends, as well as my own experiences, have taught me how many professors see it as their duty to be gatekeepers. I`ve had a few professors say up front, first day of class, that only a third or fourth of the class would pass their class.

If you haven`t encountered one of these `gatekeepers` yet, consider yourself fortunate so far. One day you likely will, so don`t be surprised.
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Female 2,674
@CrakrJak - Overall ratings don`t mean much. Perhaps there`s more kids going to private schools who are self entitled and are going there only because their parents are rich and payed for it, thus they slack in class, and get pissed off at their teachers for not giving them A`s and then rate them poorly.

Even in my uni, I know a lot of people rate professors based on how easy they are, not how good they are at teaching or how much they learned or w/e. That`d explain why community colleges tend to get higher ratings, because the classes tend to be easier so even if a teacher wasn`t all that great, they can still get good ratings.
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Male 17,512
Lillian: Go to any `rate your professor` website and take a look at some the schools overall ratings.

I believe you`ll find schools like Harvard, Yale, Columbia, and other `Ivy League` universities to be rated at a 2 or less on a 5 point scale. Compare that with public universities with ratings of 3 to 3.5. Those with some of the highest ratings seem to be technical and vocational schools and community colleges.

jtrebowski: Just because a part-time professors may be teaching some classes doesn`t mean those colleges and universities aren`t still paying their full-time tenured professors their salaries.
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Male 25,416
lol
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Female 2,674
@iscariot40 - That`s why the university you go to matters. Employers can usually tell the joke universities from the legitimate ones that actually require hard work to pass...
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Female 2,674
@MeGrendel - My issue is that you`re taking majors offered at a single universities and trying to use it to discredit universities.

Direct quote from you: "Have you even BEEN to a univesity lately? Granted, while a few have some decent research, the majority of professors and students are not trying to solve anything."

Your proof for that seemed to be very very very rare majors, ones most likely taken by the kinds of people who go to college to party and not to study. I do have an issue with someone trying to discredit the research of my university professors and fellow students, by pointing out the minority of stupid majors and trying to make universities look like a joke.
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Male 48
@MeGrendel how does having a degree prove that you`re willing to learn? All it proves is that you gave a university so much money over x number of years putting in the minimum effort for them to go you can have this piece of paper.
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Male 1,151
Logic Motherdrater. Do you speak it?
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Male 7,339
@patchgrabber

Can`t dissagree. Sometime the fact that you HAVE a degree is more important than what it is in. To some it proves you`re willing to put in effort to learn.

My first serious job was as a chemical lab tech. It required a degree (not a chemical degree, just a degree). Well, my degree was in graphic design, but it still qualified me for the job. I eventually worked my way up to Research Chemist before going back to a job in Graphic Design.

Major point...never stop learning.
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Male 5,811
@MeGrendel: Something I`ve been noticing in the last few years is a plethora of recent grads with bullpoo arts degrees actually getting good, high-paying jobs. I know a girl with an economics degree (not necessarily useless, but just wait) who got a job with some gold company as a PR rep or something. She`s making six figures doing nothing related to her degree. Her boss? 26 years old, $200,000/year. What degree does he have? History. F*cking history. Most companies don`t necessarily like uncomfortable truths and facts devaluing their business, so they hire an arts grad, who has likely gotten through uni by arguing and writing a bunch of BS opinion papers because this person will be better at spinning negative outcomes for the business.
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Male 7,339
Don`t get me wrong. I`m all for higher education. The vast majority of our future scientists, artist, doctors, businessmen and (unfortunately) lawyers require a solid base of an education. Great advances come from the student research. The plusses far outweigh the bullpoo. (which is why we have to put up with the bullpoo).

My daughter is attending one of the best Vet schools in the country (but I still make fun of the fact that some of her classes are in the `Poultry Science` building).

In fact, quite a few people thought MY major was one of those `stupid` ones. But it`s made me plenty of money through the years.

But, Puppet Studies? Okay, I can see the success of Jim Henson and Jeff Dunham, but that`s pretty limited.

And LGBT studies? Not much of a market at all.
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Male 7,339
Actual courses/classes.
-Football Culture (George Mason University)
-Queer Musicology (UCLA)
-Phylosophy and Star Trek (Georgetown University )
-Emotional Literacy (Vanuatu University)
-The study of Zombies (University of Baltimore)
-Why Occupy Wall Street? (New York University)
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Male 7,339
LillianDulci-"Just because the class exists, doesn`t mean that there`s a major based on that class, like MeGrendel seems to be saying... "

Reading comprehension problem? I provided two lists. One list is titled `Actual Majors`, and one titled `Actual courses` (i.e. `class`)

Which of those titles did you not understand? They specifically delineate which items are `Majors` and which are `courses`. (hint: if it`s listed under the `Actual major`, it`s a major, not a class).

I`ll even provide the schools.

Actual Majors:
-Women`s studies. (Bar-Ilan University & others sometimes called `Gender studies`, but it`s only concerned with one gender)
-LGBT studies (University of Maryland, Yale, University of Arizona)
-Puppetry (University of Connecticut)
-Comic Book Art (Minneapolis College of Art and Design)
-Surfing Studies (Southern Cross Univesity)
-Secularism (Pitzer College)
-Religion (numerous)

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Male 5,811
[quote]Some professors believe it is their job to weed out the people they feel can`t hack it. I never said they are evil, I said they are dictators, at least the tenured ones. If you want to know why private universities are so extremely expensive it`s because of the professors, lately the public universities have started to follow suit. [/quote]
You know what? I`m going to mostly agree with crakr on this one. I don`t think the majority of professors are a-holes, and I also don`t think professors are the reason uni is expensive (it`s admin. It`s always admin), however I DO agree that just about all of them have over-inflated opinions of themselves, and DO have quite a high sense of entitlement.
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Male 5,811
@MeGrendel: I know I`ve seen some ridiculous classes at some universities, like Jedi studies or whatever. There is a lot of waste in uni`s to be sure, but I`m seeing more and more cutting of programs that don`t offer as much monetary value to the aforementioned university, and I don`t necessarily agree with all of it. In Canada there is a big push for uni`s to become "self-sustainable", which ostensibly seems good, but there are a lot of useful programs that are getting cut due to funding issues now. The uni campus my work is on has cut a lot of programs (mostly in the arts so I`m not too disappointed) but I don`t think that a uni should essentially be a business first. A business yes, but not a business first.
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Male 3,364
CrakrJak: " If you want to know why private universities are so extremely expensive it`s because of the professors, lately the public universities have started to follow suit."

Wrong again. Most universities and colleges are relying more and more on part-time professors who make a lot less than full-time tenured ones.
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Female 2,674
@CrakrJak - You`re still trying to apply a teeny tiny minority of bad teachers to the majority. Those types aren`t common.
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Female 40
Can`t wait for the day when we are laughing at the poor quality of these cell phone videos..like we laugh now at ancient cracked polaroids.
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Male 2,586
lol "If I jump off the side of this building here, I will splat over there on the side walk whether I believe in gravity or not"

That is the best argument in the whole world!!! - using a fact that we all know will happen but cannot explain (sort of) to prove the existence of something we believe in...
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Male 835
"99 percent of professors with tenure are dictators, 99 percent of professors are pompous, bad teachers"
"99 percent of what planned parenthood does is abortion"
"99 percent of Occupy protesters are liberal college students"

What is it with people making sh*t up, putting "99 percent" in front of their opinions and presenting it as it were a fact?
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Male 17,512
HiEv: I hold no position of power here at IAB and if I didn`t tolerate different opinons, why would I even come back to IAB ?

Lillian: Some professors believe it is their job to weed out the people they feel can`t hack it. I never said they are evil, I said they are dictators, at least the tenured ones. If you want to know why private universities are so extremely expensive it`s because of the professors, lately the public universities have started to follow suit.

Altaru: Yes I went to college and no I`m basing all of my statements on my own experience. Quit pulling your assumptions `out of your ass`.
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Male 675
Crakr, I see words in your posts, but all it comes across as is this...

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Male 3,482
@Crakr

Did you even GO to college?

And yes, this is relevant.

Because if you didn`t then suddenly we all know without a doubt that you`re pulling your opinions out of your ass (like about 2/3 of what you say anyway). OH, and what Fox "News" tells you, of course.

If you did... Then suddenly we all know that you`re basing your opinions off the minority that you had to deal with while you were in school.

I`m pretty sure I already know the answer to this question, but I just want a yes or no confirmation.
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Female 2,674
@CrakrJak - I really don`t understand your hate for some professors. I can`t name even 1 professor who I`ve hated as a person, no matter how difficult the class is, no matter how unwilling they are to adjust the grades/tests because the students are doing poorly. They do offer advice, or try to adjust their teaching, or go over points that people seemed to not understand. They seem to try as much as they can to help us /learn/ even if they want us to do it their way (which could very well be better than the textbook way). I`m taking a class right now that`s really difficult for me and even my friends in the class are having a hard time understanding it too. But the teacher genuinely wants us to learn and is trying to teach us to the best of his ability. And he`s a hilarious guy, really friendly. You`re portraying them all as these evil unreasonable people trying to ruin students or something. It`s not like that at all, for the majority...
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Female 2,674
"I realize many courses like "surfing studies" may exist at specific universities, but they aren`t the norm. There are other fields of study that do have much merit. "

You know, I`m a computer engineering major, and I`ve even taken a class that seems like a joke class (Survey of Rock Music in my case). I took it as my required culture class (we have tons of options for that class requirement, but we do have to take 1). Just because the class exists, doesn`t mean that there`s a major based on that class, like MeGrendel seems to be saying...

The only one from his list of "majors" that I believe exists at my school is.. possibly religion. But I`m not even sure on that. Maybe women`s studies too but again, not sure. I could look but I don`t feel like it. Maybe there are class for the other "majors" he listed, but not an actual major.
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Female 2,674
Hilarious! I always want to tell these people off but instead I just walk by (though if they`re handing out mini-holy books I like to take one just to toss in the trash. Yeah I`m a badass :P). I don`t walk to the main part of my school often anymore, which is where most of these people shout their nonsense, but it does occasionally occur not far from the math and physics building. It`s a little obnoxious.
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Male 621
@jteachey1, evanbartlett, & Angilion: Well said.

@LordJim & MightyPeanut: LOL

@CrakrJak: So let me get this straight, you`re against "dictators" that tell you what you must do, how you do it, what you believe, have little tolerance for dissent (even when the evidence is in your favor), and cannot be removed from office, ... and yet you still worship God?
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Male 17,512
nubblins: I didn`t say they were all bad, I said they, the tenured ones, are all dictators, which is true. They pick what books you must buy, they pick the curriculum order and then no matter what your books may say, they`ll insist on the answers and methods, that they`ve taught, to be used on tests/assignments.
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Male 7,339
patchgrabber-"There are other fields of study that do have much merit"

Oh, I agree. Universities push forward the limits of all sciences and arts, but there is an undue amount of waste. That was my only point.

patchgrabber-"universities, but they aren`t the norm. There are other fields of study that do have much merit. Even majors such as art and music are paramount to societypatchgrabber-"

I agree with that, also. Which is why they weren`t on my list.

But, the Study of Zombies? Really?
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Male 1,471
I think he did it.. he poked a hole in the religion balloon..
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Male 959
Couldn`t make out what was being said because of the moronic students whooping throughout.
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Female 1,743
No Crakr, it`s not.
Not all professors are bad, just like not all conservatives are stupid. ;)
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Female 327
Apologists are always misunderstanding what "ad hominem" means. Calling someone a motherf`er, is not an ad hominem attack. If you`re trying to say that the person`s arguments are wrong BECAUSE he is a motherf`er, that is an ad hominem attack. The first example is just verbal abuse.
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Male 17,512
nubblins: It`s self-evident, go to college and you`ll find that those with tenure are the worst.
They can`t be fired, short of committing a felony, and most believe their sh|t doesn`t stink.

A few are benevolent dictators, but they are still dictators, most with little tolerance for dissent, even with overwhelming evidence in your favor.

This one committed theft in broad daylight and I doubt if he was charged or reprimanded for it.
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Male 12,365
[quote]You want a logical debate with a nonbeliever? Don`t damn him to hell before it even begins.[/quote]

A preacher doesn`t want a logical debate. They want to increase the power of whatever it is they`re preaching (not necessarily a religion, e.g. Hitler was preaching at the Nuremburg rallies) and, by extention, their own power.

Why on earth would a preaching theist want a logical debate? You can`t use logic to convert people into faith, which is inherently illogical. You can abuse logic as a tool to deceive people into faith, if you`re good enough at preaching, but that`s not having a logical debate. Also, you`d want to pitch that at people who are easiest to deceive - children and adults who are badly educated, stupid or both. Not adults at a university.
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Male 12,365
I particularly liked ~1:10-~1:15, when the preacher pulls a false accusation out of his arse (par for the course) and then accuses the lecturer of an error in rhetoric, gets the wrong error in rhetoric and the lecturer tells the preacher what the right one is, the one he (at a stretch) could be considered guilty of. Genuine lol there.
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Male 886
Wave your hands more when you talk you know nothing bible thumping nut.
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Female 1,743
"99% of professors are pompous, self-absorbed, terrible teachers and shouldn`t have the title professor."

Source, please.
-_-
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Male 411
god`s lobbyist should be fired.
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Male 2,988
pwnd
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Male 17
I`m so glad everyone likes to make fun of the Christian. Professors don`t have all the answers either. 99% of professors are pompous, self-absorbed, terrible teachers and shouldn`t have the title professor. On the other hand street corner evangelists shouldn`t be out there making themselves look like fools that`s not a good way to achieve wht they are trying to achieve.
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Male 2,384
"i saw nothing get stolen, just this guy`s pride"
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Male 61
I came here for an argument. Didn`t really get one though. :p
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Male 5,811
MeGrendel: I realize many courses like "surfing studies" may exist at specific universities, but they aren`t the norm. There are other fields of study that do have much merit. Even majors such as art and music are paramount to society as they are cornerstones of culture and reflect philosophical evolution, interest in growth, perspective, observation and interpretation.
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Male 2,516
@evanbartlett. A good scientist knows how to fend off those accusations with a good dose of "meh" or having a good giggle at their expense.
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Male 2,516
Professor FTW. Although I would`ve handled things a little differently. Every time he said something, I would`ve responded with a counterfactual until he got fed up and left, or maybe I got hungry and then I would`ve taken his briefcase too.
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Male 559
@MeGrendel- I understand your point; many classes and even majors are silly and don`t provide much in the way of world betterment. At the same time, many students do provide breakthroughs that all of us enjoy. I hear with fair frequency that people move into academia because they are free from the sad and judgmental world that surrounds the ivy-laden walls. It makes sense that making world-shattering breakthroughs in genetics, economics or chemistry is quite a bit tougher if you`re barraged with accusations of going to Hell every time you go from your dorm to the lab.
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Male 7,123
Did the professor steal the briefcase? I doubt he intended to keep it, just moved it off the road where it was an obstruction and put it somewhere where it wouldn`t be. A bin, perhaps.
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Male 526
i just never understood street preachers, what do they get out of it? do they really think that somehow they will get onto some kind of A list up there in heaven? religion is just crazy. call the cops, tell them you thought they were a terrorist, there should be no reason why a preacher needs luggage.
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Male 7,339
evanbartlett-"universities are too busy solving world famine, curing cancers and resolving environmental atrocities."

Have you even BEEN to a univesity lately? Granted, while a few have some decent research, the majority of professors and students are not trying to solve anything.

If your majoring in some of the following, you have abolutely zero chance of solving famine, curing cancer or improving the environment (actual majors):
-Women`s studies.
-LGBT studies
-Puppetry
-Comic Book Art
-Surfing Studies
-Secularism
-Religion

And if you take ANY of the following (actual) courses, you`re not going to accomplish anything in your `career` at starbuck or in life in general:
-Football Culture
-Queer Musicology
-Phylosophy and Star Trek (and I`m a trekkie)
-Emotional Literacy
-The study of Zombies
-Why Occupy Wall Street?
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Male 2,419
i liked when he just stood there looking around in circles, completely lost
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Male 7,339
Musuko42-"Isn`t he on private property?"

Depends on which school he`s at, and also depends on his status. He could be a student.

As long as no rules or laws are being broken, he has every right to preach. Just as any student who protests war, or supports gay/straight/bigamy marriage.

The professor has every right to respond and/or belittle him (after all, it gurantees free speech, not freedom from ridicule).

The professor was in the wrong to steal his breifcase, though.
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Male 559
"No progress was made. Just hatred and venom."

No progress!? I think quite a bit of progress was made. Students learned that they don`t have to listen to guys who argue that we should be praying to the sun god Willawilla or whatever he advocates. Since the preacher is neither smart enough to appreciate logic, nor crazy enough to be committed, the only option is just take his bag and walk away. We don`t have time for this silliness--universities are too busy solving world famine, curing cancers and resolving environmental atrocities.
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Male 2,513
Haha, that was soooo great!

"I didn`t see anything get stolen"
"Except for that guys dignity"

X,D
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Male 2,850
Why does he think he`s able to cite constitutionally-protected free speech rights? Isn`t he on private property? Can`t they require him to leave at any time?
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Male 5,811
Stealing books was unnecessary, but arguing with that guy would be like playing tennis against a wall.
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Male 186
Well said thejamesdude.
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Male 122
You want a logical debate with a nonbeliever? Don`t damn him to hell before it even begins. He was asking for the kind of response he got from the professor, whether he knows it or not. You guys say the professor is a dick but the preacher gets a free pass to make threats! Murica
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Male 459
The good thing about being a Mormon is that we have this teaching...

"Contention is the spirit of the devil."

It doesn`t matter if you believe this literally or not, but the wisdom is sound. Neither of these guys did anything good from this. No progress was made. Just hatred and venom.
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Male 134
That`s what you get for stepping on a college campus, a place of education, and trying to preach.

Love it.
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Male 1,832
Gerry, to be fair anyone who participates in a religious debate is a bit of a prick.

I love college professors that just don`t give any drats.
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Male 6,737
I teach logic motherdrater!
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Male 10,440
Haha! Ahh.

We don`t get this kind of sh*t here in Canada, so, thanks for posting.

What ever happened to good ol` fashioned throwing vegetables?
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Male 37,888

Professor was a prick.
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Male 1,008
so he calls him a motherdrater and steals his case full of books, that`s quality education right there
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Female 8,044
Link: Teacher Vs Preacher [Rate Link] - A professor turns into Samuel L. Jackson briefly when an evangelist challenges him. NSFW Language.
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