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85 Responses to Robert Wanek Doesn`t Like Rick Santorum

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    madest Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 7:32 pm
    Link: Robert Wanek Doesn`t Like Rick Santorum - and he wants you, Rick and his blind followers to know it.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2012 at 7:44 pm
    That kid is what? 17? Good on him.
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    Spear Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2012 at 7:47 pm
    You could hear the fear in his voice when he was backpedalling away from that crazy neo-con b_tch haha.
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    crocodile3 Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2012 at 8:11 pm
    He needs the real truth
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    tacks Female 18-29
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    February 16, 2012 at 8:18 pm
    Good on that kid! That lady was psycho, why would any one be on the same side as those extremists?
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    That`s laudable but he`ll be on every watch list for the remainder of his life.
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    North_Dak Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    Sort of news from my town...we`re not all idiots, but we do have those crazy old ladies. Rudeness is an actual crime here
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    7less7 Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2012 at 8:47 pm
    What a douche
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 16, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Guatanamo Bay = Siberia of the U.S.
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    diylobotomy Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    Damn, that bitch was batpoo. So that`s the kind of person who supports Santorum. Cool.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2012 at 9:14 pm
    he kinda looks like a young Jon Cryer:

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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    Kill `em all. Let their god sort `em out.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2012 at 9:30 pm
    100% correct about Rick.
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    diggierolls Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2012 at 10:06 pm
    the only reason I don`t want Obama elected is because I`m nervous of an assassination. Republicans are so absurd that if they do lose the election what`s gonna happen to Obama. maybe some racist backlash. worrisome
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    diggierolls Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2012 at 10:09 pm
    and well done Wanek. well put
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 10:28 pm
    Wanek ?, More like Wanker.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2012 at 10:30 pm
    Must admit, never did fully understand the Conservative ideal of "get government hands off our private lives" (which is well and good, I concur with that sentiment), while simulataneously legislating what consenting adult private individuals get up to in their bedrooms. Gay is bad. Hell, this twat even says contraception is bad. Seriously, is this the 1950`s?

    No matter, Obama`s in for another run.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 10:39 pm
    davymid: Show me one federal law, "legislating what consenting adult private individuals get up to in their bedrooms."

    Getting married, last time I checked, is not a bedroom activity, it`s a licensed societal contract. Also gays are protected like minorities, so how is that bad ?
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 10:51 pm
    Santorum`s a socon kook. Right now people see him as "not Romney."
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    airsofter1 Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 12:03 am
    lol crakrjack wants santorum. i for one am uninformed but nonetheless will troll vehemently.
    GAY LOVE FOREVER THIS MAN IS EVIL AND WILL SURELY RUIN THE COUNTRY. I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG. PERIOD.
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    Jerry1of1 Male 30-39
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    February 17, 2012 at 12:05 am
    I`ve lurked this site for years and this video finally made me create an account just so I can say: drat Rick Santorum with his smug face and beady eyes. I pray God will smite him down, hopefully in a comical fashion (read: accidentally hanging himself while putting on one of his drating ugly sweaters he always wears.)
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    Stonedruid Male 30-39
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    February 17, 2012 at 3:41 am
    Jerr1of1 and I are the same. This kid is brilliant!
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 5:08 am
    I`d have a lot more respect for conservative politicians if they answered questions like these instead of the "just keep smiling and pretending you don`t hear it" method.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 5:08 am
    @Crackr: Conservatives use state laws to meddle in people`s lives. For example, Texas and their anti-sodomy laws which were struck down by the Supreme Court in Lawrence V. Texas. Stop being disingenuous.
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    Dragonace Male 30-39
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    February 17, 2012 at 5:56 am
    Am I the only one who noticed that Rick had glitter in his hair? Either that or he uses really sparkly hair gel.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 6:19 am
    Santorum is a smug little poo, isn`t he?

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    furrything Male 50-59
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    February 17, 2012 at 6:52 am
    The lad`s got `nads.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 8:25 am
    CrakrJak:

    He said in the video he thinks gov`t should be involved in the bedroom and in cultural decisions. Whither or not there is current federal law is not the point, Rick thinks there should be. He blamed the Catholic Church`s pedofiles and their institutionalized protection on a sick society and liberals thereby minimizing the resonsibilty of child rapists and their protecters, he is an amoral a-hole.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 8:57 am
    In Rick Santorums America you`re either a police officer or a convict.

    Good thing he wasn`t president when his wife had an abortion...
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    February 17, 2012 at 9:50 am
    I believe some wizard- imaginary bearded spirit in the sky created me in one day. Now give me the suitcase.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 10:16 am
    Otto: Yes our society is sick and getting sicker because you liberals keep defending sexual perversion.

    Those that engage in sodomy are 5 times more likely to get an STD and because of the continued spread of these STDs they are now becoming resistant to the best antibiotics we have.

    Liberals are emboldening those predators and perverts, they believe their perversions will be legalized next. What is left, legally, to stop them ?

    After all, you`ve already said there can be no laws `in the bedroom`. That`s opened the door to all perversions being legalized now.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 10:53 am
    @CrakrJak, why is it the government`s responsibility to police so-called "perversion" in our private lives?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 11:07 am
    zombunny: To protect society and the general welfare of our country.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 11:22 am
    How are contraception and gay marriage threats to the welfare of our society?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 11:47 am
    To protect society and the general welfare of our country.


    Such draconian laws do no such thing. Rather they open the doors to corruption and paramilitary thought police.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 11:53 am
    Yes our society is sick and getting sicker because you liberals keep defending sexual perversion.

    As a libertarian I say it`s your God given right to be a pervert.

    Those that engage in sodomy are 5 times more likely to get an STD and because of the continued spread of these STDs they are now becoming resistant to the best antibiotics we have.

    Their choice, their mistake, ain`t nobody`s business if they do.

    Liberals are emboldening those predators and perverts, they believe their perversions will be legalized next. What is left, legally, to stop them ?

    So people engaging in private, consensual acts can be considered criminal? How paternalist!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    That`s opened the door to all perversions being legalized now.


    <tune>...and many mmoooorrrrreeeee!!!!!</tune>. But seriously the line is drawn before NAMBLA`s nefarious agenda. People are free to have and express their thoughts, but they`re not entitled to act on them. For those reasons, people with my ideologies only want to legalize illustrations, NOT live-action. The latter, no exception, involves a gross violation of individual liberty, on top of which we also want to keep child sexual abuse criminalized.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    The converse CrakrJak is that our government will turn otherwise productive, innocuous citizens into emotionally impaired felons and force them share jails with actual rapists, child abusers, murderers, kidnappers, and whatnot. Shrinking the taxpayer base and expanding the government.

    As a fiscal conservative I approve these comments.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    He`s got my VOTE!!!!
    Nah,.....He won`t be elected, but Ron Paul in 2012!!!!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    Getting married, last time I checked, is not a bedroom activity, it`s a licensed societal contract

    Well then the debate would be MUCH different if it remained as a private social contract.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 17, 2012 at 12:49 pm
    meh...
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    February 17, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    "Those that engage in sodomy are 5 times more likely to get an STD and because of the continued spread of these STDs they are now becoming resistant to the best antibiotics we have. " CrakrJack, I`d like to see your source on that statistic, and almost all diseases are rapidly becoming resistant to antibiotics because they are overused and often used incorrectly. On another note, it`s really none of anyone`s goddamn business what you do in your bedroom as long as everyone is over 18 and consenting. How would you like it if I walked into your bedroom and told you and your wife(girlfriend?) that you weren`t allowed to have sex because a group of people don`t like you?
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    syke22 Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    MAXIMUM TROLLING
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 3:03 pm



    What makes this particularly hilarious is the fact it comes from a real pro Santorum ad...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 3:20 pm
    Cajun: [quote">Such draconian laws do no such thing. Rather they open the doors to corruption and paramilitary thought police.[/quote">

    That`s funny, they seemed to have work for over 200 years.

    [quote">People are free to have and express their thoughts, but they`re not entitled to act on them.[/quote">

    The same was said of homosexuality before it was decriminalized.

    TheShgn2: Straight from the CDC

    "the risk of HIV transmission through receptive anal sex is much greater than the risk of transmission via other sexual activities"
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    Amurika Male 30-39
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    February 17, 2012 at 3:21 pm
    That woman is a total robot. Defending someone from whom she has not researched one bit. She just goes along with the status quo because its trendy. That is the level of blindness we are dealing with these days.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 3:28 pm
    Crakr correlation does not equal cause, as any good scientist will tell you. Simply because there is a higher rate of HIV infections in a socially stigmatized population does not mean that population created the infections. If two healthy gay men were to pair up now there would be *no* risk at all, there is no such thing as "The Immaculate Infection."

    As for homosexuality being criminalized- Go To Uganda You Ignorant Bigoted Thug.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 3:35 pm
    I may as well also mention that lesbians (oddly enough from a Con standpioint) have the *least* incidence of HIV infections of *any* population in this country.

    Also, plain old vanilla het sex is most to blame for the incidences of Cervical Cancer in women. What can we extrapolate from that eh?

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 3:45 pm
    QueenZira: You obviously didn`t read the CDC report I linked, surprise surprise. The report does not rely on `correlation` and specifically states the causes.

    Also, I never said I was for criminalizing gays. Apparently you jumped to the conclusion that I had.

    As for HPV, Get vaccinated. As for other STDs lesbian women can spread those among themselves as well, specifically orally.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 3:53 pm
    Your whole argument is based on the Correlation=Causation fallacy, it`s what you implied from the research.

    I`m sure American women would love to get the HPV vaccine, that is if Reps get out of our way and stop saying c.ockamamie things like "it made my child retarded" ala Bachmann and stop warring on contraception coverage while they`re at it.

    Bottom line, yeah any infected persons can spread disease, but there is still no such thing as "The Immaculate Infection." Now we`re gonna have to teach Reps the Germ Theory of Disease all over again I suppose, and that one does not become sick because there`s an eclipse today.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    CrakrJak:

    "Yes our society is sick and getting sicker because you liberals keep defending sexual perversion."

    Explain the correlation to our "sick society" and the Catholic Churches protecting pedofiles and allowing Priests to continue raping children? Liberals have nothing to do with emboldening predators, painting liberals with a broad brush and connecting that political ideology to supporting child rape is completely dishonest, you have nothing to back up your assertions and are just doing it to demonize those you dissagee with. The Catholic Churches complicity goes right to the top of their heirarchy, that is fact, the current pope knowingly hid child rapists. Do you get anywhere near as angry at the Church for its immoral and illegal actions and inaction as you do the evil liberals?
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 4:08 pm
    Crakr:

    "After all, you`ve already said there can be no laws `in the bedroom`. That`s opened the door to all perversions being legalized now."

    Who gets to decide what consenting adults do in the bedroom and what is legal and illegal... you? Some people think oral sex is a perverted sex act, should they be able to have their sexual morals legislated? And how could you possibly enforce such laws effectively?

    Your entire idea of freedom is `perverted`.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 4:14 pm
    That`s funny, they seemed to have work for over 200 years.

    Doesn`t mean they were right to begin with.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 4:16 pm
    On top of which Crakr`s report uses the MSM term as in men gay and bi men, AND men who don`t identify either way. Huge ambiguity there.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    The same was said of homosexuality before it was decriminalized.


    You obviously didn`t understand my comment, and thus decided to pull snippet out of context.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 4:22 pm
    Your entire idea of freedom is `perverted`.

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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 4:52 pm
    I like you Robert Wanek
  58. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm
    Zira: Condescending much ? You act like republicans don`t know better to wash their hands and cover their coughs. And wasn`t it Rick Perry, a republican, that proposed the idea of vaccinating girls for HPV in Texas ?

    Cajun: If you don`t like the MSM term then contact the CDC about it.

    Otto: I`m not going to defend the Catholic church`s actions regarding pedophiles, I`m not Catholic. Up until recently, when Obama stepped on the birth control landmine, the majority of Catholics voted for liberals.

    Who gets to decide...

    WE ALL DO, Majority rules as it did in California. Unfortunately liberals don`t win such issues by public votes, they win by judicial appointment and judgment. Now that issue in California will end up in the Supreme Court.
    That`s how our country`s `Freedom` works, if you find that to be `perverted` then perhaps this country isn`t for you.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 17, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    Crakr most of society including most Catholics back covering contraception, furthermore Catholic institutions had similar mandates long before this, and many states had laws on the books mandating the same thing long before this.

    It isn`t 1965 anymore, and the only feet being blown off by this particular landmine is Republican feet. So I guess...carry on soldier! Who am I to oppose the folly of my opposition?

    PS. Over half the country now supports Marriage Equality and the last 2 victories we`ve had came from the votes of 2 state legislatures.(Maryland in the works) Your time is running out and the polls aren`t regressing any time soon.

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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    CrakrJak: "Majority rules as it did in California."

    No CrakrJak, majority does not rule, there is a little thing called the Bill of Rights which does not allow the majority to run over the individual and you saying it does is exactly why your idea of freedom is perverted. When a judge rules using the Constitution to protect our society from a "mob rules" mentality, people like you cry foul because you think if enough people agree with you, you should get your way. The majority has no right to tyrannize the minority on matters such as race, gender, or religion. If you think judges protecting our individual freedoms through the use of the Bill of Rights is perverted maybe it is you who should leave, I for one think the Bill of Rights was possibly the Founders greatest achievement. You have really shown your true colors.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 8:40 pm
    "I`m not going to defend the Catholic church`s actions regarding pedophiles"

    In my mind you already did because when I attacked Santorum for deflecting the blame for the Church protecting pedofile priests you agreed with him blaming our society for their deeds, no need to try and distance yourself at this point.

    I could not care less whither Obama `stepped on a landmine` or not, he is right in this case. I was raised Catholic and most Catholics use and agree with contraception, it is the fringe Catholics who have a problem. I would be more than happy to elect a good Republican, too bad there isn`t one in the bunch.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2012 at 4:37 am
    Crakrjakass and Rick= santorum .
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2012 at 5:34 am
    Otto: No where in the bill of rights does it mention marriage, gays, or `bedroom activities`, that power was left up to the states.

    The majority has no right to tyrannize the minority.

    The minority doesn`t have the right to redefine law for the majority either.

    Our society is sick, it glamorizes immoral and selfish behavior, it makes sluts and pervs into teen idols, it glorifies sin and demonizes the faithful.

    "No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and . . . . their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice . . . . These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government." - Thomas Jefferson

    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. - John Adams
  64. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2012 at 7:34 am
    gays, or `bedroom activities`, that power was left up to the states.

    Actually the first protects gays from the federal govt, and the fourth prevents states from monitoring what goes on in the bedroom.

    The minority doesn`t have the right to redefine law for the majority either.

    If the majority is using the law to tyrannize the majority then it absolutely does.
  65. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2012 at 8:07 am
    "No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and . . . . their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice . . . . These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government." - Thomas Jefferson


    Two things:
    1)Re-read Federalist number 10
    2)Even Thomas Jefferson was a subscriber to moral pluralism.

    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.


    You`re conflating conformity with morality.
  66. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2012 at 8:09 am
    Our society is sick, it glamorizes immoral and selfish behavior, it makes sluts and pervs into teen idols, it glorifies sin and demonizes the faithful.

    "But man has almost constant occasion for the help of his brethren, and it is in vain for him to expect it from their benevolence only. He will be more likely to prevail if he can interest their self-love in his favour, and shew them that it is for their own advantage to do for him what he requires of them. Whoever offers to another a bargain of any kind, proposes to do this. Give me that which I want, and you shall have this which you want, is the meaning of every such offer; and it is in this manner that we obtain from one another the far greater part of those good offices which we stand in need of. ...
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2012 at 8:10 am
    CrakrJak:

    "No where in the bill of rights does it mention marriage, gays, or `bedroom activities`, that power was left up to the states."

    Here is the thing, it doesn`t have to, the objection to all these things is based on religion, you and people like you think you should be able to tell others how to live because of religion. You may try and come up with non-religious reasons to object but everyone knows that it is all based on your holier than thou attitude. Then when your `religious stick` is taken out of your proverbial hand to make you nuts quit beating other people with it you cry persecution.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2012 at 8:13 am
    It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity, but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages."

    Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations, 1776

    "The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works." - Gordon Gekko (Michael Douglas), Wall Street, 1987
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2012 at 8:17 am
    Lastly for demonizing the faithful, the faithful (mostly the political sect) have been doing that job better than everyone else by forcing their values on everyone else.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2012 at 8:17 am
    CrakrJak: "Yes our society is sick and getting sicker because you liberals keep defending sexual perversion."
    I don`t know what your definition of "perversion" is, but it`s Conservatives that engage in the Most vile behavior.
    Oh, Look! There`s even a quote by Santorum!
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2012 at 8:26 am
    "The minority doesn`t have the right to redefine law for the majority either."

    No one is forcing you or your church to recognize gay marriage, or perform sodomy, or anything else you think your invisible friend might object to, but the gov`t is to be neutral on all thing religious. Telling other people what they can and cannot do is not providing freedom, it is by definition taking it away, you and all the other religious nuts have perverted that by claiming if you are not allowed to tell others what to do somehow YOUR freedom is being subverted, your freedom to what? To legislate sex acts between consenting adults?

    Here is the difference between you and I..

    I would fight to make sure those I DON`T agree with are given freedom because I know if they are free we all are.

    You want to take freedom away from those you don`t agree with and then claim you love freedom.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2012 at 8:33 am
    Otto: You and others like you think you should be able to tell others how to think because of liberalism. Crying persecution and discrimination rings hollow when you stomp on religious people, calling them holier-than-thou nuts. It`s not nuts to want to keep our traditions and institutions the same as they`ve been for thousands of years.

    Cajun: Jefferson was not a moral pluralist and you are the one trying to confuse words here.

    the first protects gays from the federal govt, and the fourth prevents states from monitoring what goes on in the bedroom.

    The first protects the press and RELIGION, not gays. The fourth protects against `unreasonable` search and seizure, it does NOT protect people that are committing illegal acts in their home.
  73. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2012 at 8:40 am
    jtrebowski: It was democrats that included pedophiles in the 2009 hate crimes bill as a protected group and then excluded our armed forces veterans from being protected. Video
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2012 at 8:48 am
    "Our society is sick, it glamorizes immoral and selfish behavior, it makes sluts and pervs into teen idols, it glorifies sin and demonizes the faithful."

    And so what if it is? Sin is a religious concept to that is out of the gov`t jurisdiction. So you are going to legislate morality? Good luck with that. I couldn`t care less if the faithful are `demonized`, what does that even mean? Your religious feelings got hurt? So what? Nobody is stopping you from believing any crazy thing you want but other people have the right to think and say your religious beliefs are nutty. Nobody is stopping you, and I would fight them if they tried. I don`t care who you quote, the idea that you should be able to legislate the behavior of others based on your religion is wrong, and you complaining about it is like a schoolyard bully complaining he isn`t allowed to take other peoples lunch money.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2012 at 8:50 am
    CrakrJak

    First amendment:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Meaning the government cannot criminalize homosexuality and depictions thereof as it is a form of protected speech.

    it does NOT protect people that are committing illegal acts in their home.

    That`s the problem, states can`t define "illegal" behavoir simply because it`s disgusting or in contrast to popular beliefs. They must clearly show that the act itself constitutes a clear violation of another person`s liberty. Consensual acts between two adults does NOT meet that criteria.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2012 at 8:56 am
    you ignored "abridging freedom of speech" part.

    Jefferson was not a moral pluralist and you are the one trying to confuse words here.


    I find this assertion incredibly tenuous as Thomas Jefferson himself wrote Virginia`s first statute on religious freedom in 1779 and that you have not proven that conformity is a prerequiste or corequisite to morality.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2012 at 9:05 am
    @CrkrJak: Wrong again. Pedophiles are not protected.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 18, 2012 at 9:06 am
    Crakr I believe that`s Bulls#it and I`ll tell you why. There`s a common practice in the halls of legislation known as "The Poison Pill Move" wherein the opposing party knowingly puts into pending legislation something so deplorable they know it will never get passed, or if it does it will have to be surgically removed before final ayes hit the floor.

    It`s a great move for Reps who want to make easy political hay, then they can shout from the rooftops to their misinformed base that they were once again the champions of morality against teh evul libruls. They did exactly that during the Health Care debate when *they themselves* attached a provision to provide Viagra for sex offenders.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 18, 2012 at 9:13 am
    Oh and another thing, I`d be really careful about quoting the founders on matters ethical if I were you. Those folks have a vastly different conception of what "moral" is than what you or I do. For example I`m sure being moral to them is not allowing your slaves to read or write and of course to keep your clandestine sexual flings with them tightly under wraps.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    February 18, 2012 at 9:22 am
    "It`s not nuts to want to keep our traditions and institutions the same as they`ve been for thousands of years."

    I assume you are talking about marriage, here is news for you, it`s NOT the same tradition or institution as it was 2000 years ago. It is continually changing. Even if it was, so what. The gov`t recognizing the union of 2 consenting adults has zero effect on me or you. Slavery was a tradition for hundreds and even thousands of years and your holy book was responsible for helping to continue it. Your wonderful Savior Jesus did nothing to stop it which begs the question of exactly how enlightened he and your religion really was.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    February 18, 2012 at 9:27 am
    "You and others like you think you should be able to tell others how to think because of liberalism."

    I have no problem with what you and the other nuts can think, it is your actions of trying to legislate your morality I have a problem with. Like I said, taking your `religious stick` out of your hand so you stop beating people with it is not persecution.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    After all, you`ve already said there can be no laws `in the bedroom`. That`s opened the door to all perversions being legalized now.
    You still have no idea what the term "consenting adults" means, do you?

    Indeed, I`d find you more likely to rape a child than anyone else around here, since you obviously have no idea what the difference is between a consenting adult engaging in private acts with their chosen lover and a little kid being raped...
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 18, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    zombunny: To protect society and the general welfare of our country.
    You know who else wanted to "protect society and the general welfare" of his country by banning things he didn`t believe were "right," and only letting his chosen people do what he wanted them to want to do?

    Adolf MOTHER-FU­CKING Hitler.

    *ZING*

    Godwin`s Law wins again.


    And you wonder why people call conservatives like you Nazi`s and Facists, eh?
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    NKaminski Male 18-29
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    February 19, 2012 at 10:20 pm
    I find the fear of Sharia Law by the Christian Right is ironic, considering their attempts to legislate a Biblical code of laws.
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