Rick Santorum Says Women Shouldn`t Serve In Combat

Submitted by: fancylad 5 years ago

One guess, I-A-B. One guess as to why Santorum wants to keep women out of military combat.
There are 110 comments:
Male 10,845
[quote]People seem to want to use situations where life and death hangs in the balance to conduct social experiments.[/quote]

If that really is an issue then we can ban "co-ed" per se combat units.
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Male 759
Other countries manage to have Female frontline soldiers without all the men getting shot because they can`t take their eyes off Private Sweetcheeks
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Male 253
I`ve been in several units, with and without females, and they are markedly different worlds. of course,some female soldiers are badasses, but it changes the social dynamic. In the current situation of asymmetrical warfare we`re in, there`s not exactly a "front" line. So it`s not a good example of the types of scenarios we want to use to establish trends for a future military which may have to face more traditional warfare. In our current fight it is necessary to have female soldiers everywhere we have a presence, in order to deal with female civilians appropriately and respectfully. However, in major force on force battle it`s not beneficial to interject another layer of psycology and sociology into an already potentially tenuous siuation in attempting to accomplish a seriously difficult mission.
People seem to want to use situations where life and death hangs in the balance to conduct social experiments.
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Male 526
where do they get the background guys? round head on right, big hair on left. it`s like the cast of the muppets.
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Male 165
Translation - The women in our armed forces are doing a wonderful job but should stay back at the base and bake cookies for our real men.
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Male 229
So proud to not be American.
No offence, however. You guys maintain one of the best countries in the world.
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Male 559
Since I learned the alternative definition of the word before I knew the guy, I find every mention of him hilarious. It`s like turning on CNN and hearing the anchor say, "Today, Senator Cumbucket weighed in on tax cuts." Priceless.
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Male 93
vote for rick...and party like it`s 1899!!
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Male 25,416
meh...
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Male 14,330
But who will make the....
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Male 5,811
@Crakr: Well they`re a barter culture, so I`m sure anyone of decent monetary acumen could get at least 76-78.
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Male 17,512
patchgrabber: I`m guessing you didn`t hear about the 72 virgin offer they tell their recruits.
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Female 1,008
I couldn`t stop staring at the fat guy behind him. He looks like he doesn`t know where he is.
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Male 567
Thats Rick Santorum, stayin` frothy!
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Male 2,670
Wait, Rick Santorum opened his mouth and something effing stupid came out?

Wow, that`s so unusual!
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Male 5,811
So, Al Queda is attracted to the menstruation?
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Male 4,431
Stupidity is stupid. Women have been serving on/near the front lines since the beginning of history. Santorum, obviously not a veteran, has no clue. We had female pilots and medical staff captured in the first Iraqi War. This is nothing new, just the Pentagon acknowledging what`s always occurred.

All of the non-veterans here (including Santorum) spouting about what men would/wouldn`t do (or, anecdotally quoting their fiance to validate sexist poo) to "save" women have obviously never served with them.
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Male 621
Watching your election is like attending a circus. Everything is both spectacular and absurd.
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Female 50
@Draculya - it`s called a Pmate http://pmate.co.uk/ no more squatting and massive de-clothing necessary. So useful for music festivals!
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Male 14,775
Has anyone seen a woman try to have a pee while wearing full battle orders? Now imagine that on patrol while muslim men are about.
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Male 1,268
"I believe fewer women would volunteer for military service if they knew they could be sent into a combat role at the drop of a hat."

Fewer women WOULD join the Marines. Every other branch, there is no such thing as forced combat MOS.
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Male 663
"even more unique" *eyetwitch*
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Male 1,252
Even though he is a bit of an idiot it`s a little foolish to say there wouldnt be at least some form of a penis race, influencing rational decision making on both sides of the sexual equation.... lets face it...its been bred into us for HOW many million years?
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Male 17,512
Lillian: I believe fewer women would volunteer for military service if they knew they could be sent into a combat role at the drop of a hat.
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Male 1,268
I personally find anyone who discusses wartime combat without firsthand knowledge infuriating.

Women are already on the front. Supply convoy`s getting hit with IED`s, mortar bombardments especially prevalent at the start of the war, I knew women far colder and focused than some of the men I knew. I`m certain events leading up to a woman dragging a man hit by shrapnel then taking up a defensive position with clear and accurate information relayed to a central intel came up at some point during the pentagon`s realization this restriction doesn`t hold much weight anymore.

Of course, santorum and anyone else who disagree`s with the pentagon`s decision know nothing more than "Girls with big boobs probably have a hard time with standard issue kevlars/mtvs/flak jackets." That much is at least true.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Go ahead ladies...bash me,but I`m still right.[/quote]

My arse.

The million years of evolution you refer to has created a number of *trends*.

Suitability for being a front line soldier is one of those trends. There are fewer women suitable for the role than there are men suitable for the role, but "fewer" isn`t "none".

The issue is simply addressed by devising fair standards for a role, based on what is actually relevant to the role, and applying them equally to all applicants.

I`ll offer the same example again: Nancy Wake. Decorated 14 times, from 5 different countries, including some for very direct front line combat.
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Male 4,298
Women are on the front lines of the police force. They are on the front lines of the fire department. I have no problem if a woman wants to be on the front lines of a war. I`m just glad it`s not me.
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Male 4,298
I dont think emotional women should work in Corporate America either.
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Male 3,631
Men and women want to f*ck
When one of them dies, it`s going to suck

Mission integrity cannot rely
On soldiers unprepared to say goodbye.
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Male 3,631
Last five comments sum-up why I even bother to scroll down when finished with the link. Ha ha ha! and No, but Ha Ha still - and then finally.. YES, but no - Yes again.
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Male 2,737
Might not be any Marines left either.
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Male 2,737
Cut my ex-wife off from weed, and give her a gun and tell her,It`s allowed for her to kill,......There`d be no more insurgents.
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Male 2,516
I agree that women shouldn`t be on the battlefield. The army should use Rick Santorum as a human shield instead.
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Male 3,431
I could ramble on about this, having regrettably seen first hand the effects of having men and women serving together while I was active duty. Human nature brings them together and when a relationship develops people do irrational things for one another, it gets considerably worse when the relationship goes bad and another soldier gets involved. Ugh. Yeah I had a number of negative experiences serving with women.
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Male 3,482
THAT SAID (I just had to point out how retarded Crakr made himself sound (nothing unusual), and I ran out of space):

MeGrendel is right. Women should only be allowed on the front lines if they`re able to meet the same physical standards as men.

Even then... I was raised to treat a lady right, and I am something of the big brother type anyway, so I could honestly see myself being more affected by something happening to a woman than something happening to a man...

But that`s me. And I`m clearly not a valid sample of all men, especially those who are professionally trained military men.

I can`t agree with Santorum, but I can see a point to being more... Restrictive? I guess? With having women on the front.
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Male 3,431
The point here being that male soldiers have a tough time overcoming their tendency to want to protect women. The issue is less a matter of how a woman will do and more an issue of the overall effect her presence will have on her crew mates.
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Female 1,743
I`m on the fence.
I *think* men are more capable of handling combat situations, but I can`t say that definitively, as I have not met EVERY woman in armed forces.
I only know my good friend who`s in the army, and she`s definitely not one I`d want to send in harms way. I doubt she`s emotionally stable enough for it, or physically capable. But as I said, I can`t speak for every woman in the military. There may be some that are perfectly fit to be on the front line.
*shrug*
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Male 3,431
The psychological impact on a man seeing a woman being blown apart carries considerably greater trauma than seeing another man, as absurd as it sounds, it`s true.
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Male 3,482
[quote]but we`ve already had some women captured, tortured and raped, why would we want to risk that happening again ?[/quote]
Same reason we risk it happening with men...

I`m not a believer in the feminist agenda, but I can`t understand how you can look yourself in the eyes and honestly tell yourself that sh­it like this isn`t blatant chauvinism or even outright misogynism.

What you`re saying, in both effect and (whether you`re smart enough to realize it or not) intent, is that we should treat fully grown, capable human beings like children just because of their genitalia and a few statistics...
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Male 37,902

I`m an old fashioned guy, I don`t think women should be on the battlefield. Support roles, medical,pilots...but not front line soldiers.

Feminism aside, men are just better suited to this role, women are Ill suited for it. You can`t change a million years evolution based on your feminist beliefs.

Go ahead ladies...bash me,but I`m still right.
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Male 7,353
carmium-"If he ever got elected, I wouldn`t even visit America any more."

Hey, he just got my vote!

(can we have that in writing?)
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Male 3,310
Women are just so emotional. lol
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Female 1,205
seriously. These candidates have to be trolling now.
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Male 2,422
I`m a chauvinist I admit. I`m uncomfortable with the idea of women being shot or killed in a way I`m not about men. It`s irrational and kinda sexist I know, but there it is. However, I`m not about to tell a woman she can`t do something just because it makes me feel uncomfortable. If she wants to go and fight and she can do the job, well that`s good for her. And it`s good for the country to be able to draw upon it`s whole population for capable individuals. It won`t sit right with me but my personal hangups shouldn`t dictate policy. That`s my two cents.
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Male 14,775
I don`t like him, but I think he is right.
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Male 4,298
Hey Rick, the 1950`s called. They don`t want you either.
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Female 6,381
This isn`t the worst of Santorum`s assinine nonsense. If he ever got elected, I wouldn`t even visit America any more.
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Female 30
Idk about "romantic" emotions, but having asked the guys I know that have served on the front, for them it`s an issue of instinctively wanting to protect a woman. None of them thought women were in any way lesser; they had all just been raised to treat a woman with respect, and that included reflexively shielding her. They all said they were sure a woman would only be put on the front if she were every bit as capable as they were, and they all knew they didn`t have to protect her, but they were all concerned that they`d act on instinct in spite of training and logic.

Personally, I don`t care what gender/race/whatever a person is as long as they`re up for the job. I saw a suggestion somewhere of having same-sex squads so women would be able to serve on the front. I`m sure this is unacceptable to some feminists who want total equality (which is impossible), but honestly I care less about being PC and more about not getting people unduly killed when deadly force is
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Female 146
lets set back this country a hundred years ago
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Female 146
wtf?? his reasoning is all off
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Male 10,845
Even Robert Gates was quoted explicitly stating a future for women in SpecOps and submarines. As for psychological reasons for barring from the latter, THAT can be dealt with via boatloads <chuckle> of condoms and a policy that essentially reads:

"If there`s a baby, both mommy AND daddy are getting discharged!"

[quote]Does this guy even have any supporters?[/quote]

Ask the same question about Ron Paul, get the same answer.
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Female 2,674
"Does this guy even have any supporters?"

Yes :/
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Male 1,832
Does this guy even have any supporters? I feel like he just says things and nobody really gives poo.
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Female 2,674
"Lillian: What I`m saying is that I don`t believe the American populace wants to see women captured or killed in combat.

But you seem to want to pull out the sexist chauvinism card for political points. "

I don`t want to see ANYONE captured or killed in combat, but it`s a fact of war. If a woman makes the CHOICE to go to war, she definitely understands the possible consequences and decides going to war and protecting the country is worth the possible result. It is sexist for you to think she should be protected from herself, like you know what`s better for her and that it`s your choice what she does with her life. Also you`re essentially saying that all male soldiers don`t deserve to be protected just because they`re male.

I honestly cannot see how what you`re saying is not sexist.
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Male 17,512
Lillian: What I`m saying is that I don`t believe the American populace wants to see women captured or killed in combat.

But you seem to want to pull out the sexist chauvinism card for political points.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Men are stronger overall, this is not sexist it`s nature.[/quote]

MeGrendel has already stated the fair solution - make standards based on the task. If you can reach them, you`re in. If you can`t, you`re not. Tell feminism to go drat itself. Feminism is not more important than people`s lives. Holding women to lower standards is good feminism, but it kills people.

[quote]Sure there may be some `amazon` like women out there that could perform in combat roles,[/quote]

The UK used women in special forces in WW2. It worked. Nancy Wake is probably the most famous example - look her up. She was very much in a combat role and she looked more like a model than an Amazon warrior.

[quote]but we`ve already had some women captured, tortured and raped, why would we want to risk that happening again ?[/quote]

Same reason we risk it for men. To hell with all forms of sexism, traditional and feminist.
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Female 107
MeGrendel - Agreed. I have no problem with women having to meet the same standards as men to do these jobs, but if they can meet the standards they should be allowed.
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Male 2,737
BULLSH*T! Slap a deadly chastity belt on them, put them in groups,deny them midol or any other pain relieving,life coping meds,give them heavy assault arms, and tell them their a piece of sh*t and drop them in a war zone. Tell me they won`t get the job done.
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Male 7,924
Quick, someone go outside and find two black people and a few young women. Tell them we`ll give them $20 each to just stand behind him for 5 minutes.
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Male 3,445
"we`ve already had some women captured, tortured and raped, why would we want to risk that happening again ?"

I once heard some statistic that, like, millions of male American soldiers have been tortured and/or killed during war.
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Male 7,353
Armauld-"If they are capable, then they should be allowed to."

Agreed. But they should be able to pass the SAME standards.

If the standards say you should be able to fireman carry 250lbs, then both genders should be able to.

But, as in so many areas of `Equal Rights`, equal capabilities are not required.

Example: In some cities fire departments, female candidates only have to pull, lift and carry portion of the weights required of men. I`m sorry, but the job sets the standards. I`m sure the man trapped under a hundred pounds of burning debris will be happy to know he died so that political correctness was able to allow a 110lb woman incapable of lifting 100 lbs to wear the bunker gear.

If all soldiers are held to the same standard, I`ve got no problem with what their gender is.
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Female 2,674
"we`ve already had some women captured, tortured and raped, why would we want to risk that happening again ?"

So you`re fine with men being captured, tortured, and raped? Must protect the dainty little women who can`t make choices for themselves even knowing the consequences?
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Female 2,228
Everyone, haven`t we learned that whenever this guy opens his mouth this should be our default reaction?

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Male 17,512
Men are stronger overall, this is not sexist it`s nature. Sure there may be some `amazon` like women out there that could perform in combat roles, but we`ve already had some women captured, tortured and raped, why would we want to risk that happening again ?
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Male 7,585
So hes afraid of f*cking on the front lines?
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Male 3,445
Check out young Lando Calrissian on the left.
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Male 6,737
I couldn`t take my eyes off that blonde chunk on the right of him! He was pulling some awesome faces.
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Male 10,845
[quote]As for bad things happening, nobody is forcing these women to sign up, so if they join the forces they need to keep in mind that bad things may happen (just like men are aware of that).[/quote]

Yep, sexual assault, along with other forms of torture, is a risk they KNOWLINGLY take.
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Male 10,845
Seriously Santorum? In our military women serve on the frontlines they`ve even seen combat and KILLED. In South Korea they`re even part of Special Ops. I`ll go MUCH further and say that if women capable of going through the same selection and training process as men, then they`re just as capable.
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Male 2,372
The decision has to be a matter of what is best for the military, and not about offending one group or another. If research shows that mixed front-line combat forces make that combat force less effective than the enemy`s, I would think the issue would be pretty cut and dry after that.

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Male 24
check out the weird bloated guy on the right. hahaha
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Male 483
I absolutely love the look on the face of the guy to Santorum`s left. He looks murderous.
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Male 3,445
We must especially prevent post-menopausal women from combat positions, for they will be easier targets for heat-seeking missiles!
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Female 107
TuffGhost88 - Maybe we`re just sick to death of men making all the decisions in "our interests" when really it`s just another b.s. "no gurlz allowed" rule.
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Male 1,053
"Secondly there are pills women take whilst in the army to prevent periods (when on training exercises) as where you gonna get a tampon in the middle of a desert?"

She brings them with her and gets resupplied, just like other people who are on medication. You almost make it sound like they`re required to take these pills or so many of them do. I don`t know about Australia, but not only are they not required in the US, but until your post I had never even heard of such a thing.
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Male 1,083
basically what he`s saying is men on the front line shouldn`t be left alone with women.. or other men because of internal issues.
At least he`s honest about it.
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Female 4,086
santorum also wants to abolish abortion in all forms, including saving the life of the mother. so apparently he wants young women to stay home, barefoot and pregnant.
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Male 371
*or
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Male 371
Lillian, you seem to forget that the guys you`re talking about are TRAINED SOLDIERS. I`m not saying it`s ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE for a female soldier to be able to do the EXACT SAME THINGS as the average male soldier, but she would literally be a freak of nature. When (of if) that happens, then fine, she can have the opportunity to have herself blown up by a RPG on the front line.
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Male 1,010
It`s their menstruation. The bears can smell it. It will jeopardize us all.
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Male 371
P.S. I f*cking hate Santorum
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Female 2,674
"there are guys that would have trouble with that. "
You answered your own question. It depends on the person, not the gender.
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Male 371
Did I say `patriotism`? I probably should`ve put `feminism`
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Female 2,674
If you go to war and expect nothing bad to happen to you, you`re an idiot.
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Male 29
don`t get me wrong some of the best soldiers i know are female its just the majority of them aren`t built for many things that are needed as a soldier. now that i think about it who`s to say they couldn`t be the crackshot putting down fire while someone else does the heavy lifting.
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Male 371
You poor, oppressed women! To think you might not be given the opportunity to get brutally traumatized and/or killed and/or raped in the name of patriotism!
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Female 107
MrEcks - If a man isn`t strong enough to pull you out, then he shouldn`t be allowed on the front lines and the same goes for women. If they are capable, then they should be allowed to.
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Male 658
I don`t think women soldiers are capable of living up to the same standard male soldiers are held to. If men had wombs, we`d be better at having babies too.
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Male 312
@redelle: Did some looking up on a few sites. None from notable sources but the majority came to this conclusion men naturally stronger
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Male 312
@Armauld - I agree with you let them go into w/e field they want as long as they know the risks. At that point it is up to them.
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Male 29
so i`m a 200lb soldier wearing about 50-80 lbs worth of gear and ammo. what`s the possibility a female wearing the same gear as me could pull me out of a hostile fire situation if i got hit? there are guys that would have trouble with that.
my $0.02 santorum is right.
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Male 312
redelle - 2 actuially if we want to get technically.

is gay oral illegal/against the religion since it technically is not sex. That would be demeaning
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Female 107
Redelle,

It isn`t women`s fault if men aren`t capable of following their directives.
It`s this type of logic that forces women to wear long black burkas in the desert because if men see a woman`s body they won`t be able to control themselves. If men can`t control themselves, it should be men whose rights are limited, not womens.
As for bad things happening, nobody is forcing these women to sign up, so if they join the forces they need to keep in mind that bad things may happen (just like men are aware of that).
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Female 138
Brit you hit the nail on the head Gay sex is a sin in most religions, ANAL sex is against most religions so they still have one hole left on a woman (pardon me being vulgar) and its not a sin for a man to lie with a woman (even if it is rape) in most religions.
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Male 1,053
Maybe we should pay them less too. Maybe we should rethink female cops and firefighters... Idiot.

I`d rather have a hard charging female Soldier than a `wimpy` guy Soldier any day.
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Male 3,445
"I was mesmerized by the people in the background."

Same here.
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Female 138
Britinvasion - My mate Caroline would kick your ass for saying women are not physically as strong, she could bench press you without breaking a sweat.
Secondly there are pills women take whilst in the army to prevent periods (when on training exercises) as where you gonna get a tampon in the middle of a desert?
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Male 312
redelle: raping both would be psychologically damaging to both given that it would be gay rape.

As far as the enemy both would be pleasurable for them. I know it sounds nasty to think of that but it is true. Whats the difference between homosexual love and anal with a women besides the gender?

However, homosexuality is against most middle eastern beliefs so they probably wouldn`t do that anyway.
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Female 138
9 times out of ten you will pick the female as to make him watch his "comrade" get degraded in front of him will usually make him open up. It comes down the psychology. Hey I`m all for women being in the army in support roles (medics, communications etc) but not frontline its too risky for both genders.
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Male 312
M_Archer beat me to it. Guys could be raped as torture to.

For the most part there is no reason.

If you were to come up with 2 reasons here they are:
Women are statistically not as physically strong as men for the most part.

Also...what are the psychological effects of a women during her period? I know guys use it as an excuse all the time but could that actually effect decision making ect in the field?
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Female 138
Yes I know that men get raped too, think about this, you are a terrorist/insurgent/whatever and you have captured two soldiers you want to degrade them get the information out of them who you gonna rape? the male or the female? (by the way you are a straight person in this hypothetical situation)
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Male 298
seeing as I was expecting something to do with religion I guess this is a better reason, but it certainly isn`t a good reason.
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Male 525
Redelle: You realize that men get raped too, right? A person`s gender has nothing to do with that. Also, when a person signs up for the military, they do it knowing the risks. By the same logic, men shouldn`t be let into the infantry for fear of them being captured and raped.
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Female 138
oh by the way I`m from Australia have no idea who the douche bag is... so my last post was not supporting him just advising why its not such a good idea.
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Female 138
My Fiancee is in the army, and its true that men will stop to rescue a woman if she is hurt or injured and possibly jeopardise the mission. Yes they would for a male but its a different psychology on it. Also think about if she was captured. Yes bad poo happens to men if they get captured but think about the "other" stuff that could happen being a woman. Check out some of the women who serve their country and when trained to be elite soldiers (when risking capture) endure torture and rape so that if (IF) it happens they just take it, deal with it. I wouldn`t want to be a soldier if there was a possiblity of that happening. Its got nothing to do with being a "boys" club its the fact who wants to be raped? seriously?
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Male 525
Lol, Santorum. One more reason not to vote for him.
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Male 341
it doesnt matter what kind of person is in a combat role when your getting shot at and could die any second i think preservation is key. Santorum should go sit in a bunker somewhere and figure that out.
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Male 26
I had to watch this twice. The first time I was mesmerized by the people in the background.
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Male 5,016
He want womans at home doing sandwiches maybe?
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Male 19,873
Link: Rick Santorum Says Women Shouldn`t Serve In Combat [Rate Link] - One guess, I-A-B. One guess as to why Santorum wants to keep women out of military combat.
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