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76 Responses to PeTA = Crazy Now: Boyfriend Went Vegan

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    Apexs Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    Link: PeTA = Crazy Now: Boyfriend Went Vegan - A dramatic increase in their wang power and sexual stamina.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 1:17 pm
    Soooo save an animal and go Chris Brown on her. Ya right though they both need some meat guy looks like Betty White could beat his ass nevermind hurt her neck.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    Ha ha ha.. but so lame
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 1:24 pm
    I`m vegan, but I wish PETA`s marketing department had a few sane people in it. They piss me off quite often.
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    denmarkcm Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    "Wheres the beef?"

    "I got yo beef right here baby!"
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    February 14, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    Kinda funny- After the vid I clicked on the blonde, she had me laughing about hip dysplasia and German shepherds.
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    tsheriff Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 1:43 pm
    drat vegans
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    jak22 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    this is so stupid. its so difficult to be vegan and legitimately healthy, humans evolved to eat meat. just sayin. my friend quit being vegan after 5 years and dropped like 20 pounds easy, as vegans and vegaterians eat way to much bread (like most americans.)
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    "my friend quit being vegan after 5 years and dropped like 20 pounds easy, as vegans and vegaterians eat way to much bread (like most americans.)"

    I dropped 15 lbs of fat in just over a week just by cutting animal products out of my diet, without changing my exercise regimen. People who are malnourished are malnourished because they don`t know how to eat, vegan or omnivore. It has little to do with the removal of animal products.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 1:55 pm
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    February 14, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    How can one not eat a T-bone once in a while?
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    Sock1122 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 2:30 pm
    so now their just flat out lying?

    wait what? oh right

    same poo different day, congrats peta
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    uatme Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    so all women should eat mostly meat so that men can be vegans?
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    Stardust6702 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    @FoolsPrussia "I dropped 15 lbs of fat in just over a week just by cutting animal products out of my diet, without changing my exercise regimen."

    So your saying you lost over 2 lbs of fat everyday? Your either extremely obese or in the all likely scenario your full of poo.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    Suddenly an incontrollable desire of eating some vegetables hit me.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    Veganism is so often just ignorant response to "Disneyfication", assumptions that animals are nice and fluffy versions of humans living in a sylvan paradise.

    Animals in nature die of one of three causes: predation, starvation or horrible illness. They compete mercilessly for resources, and rip one another apart. The worst humans can do to animals is nowhere near as bad as what life does to wild creatures.
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    evanbartlett Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 2:54 pm
    "I dropped 15 lbs of fat in just over a week just by cutting animal products out of my diet, without changing my exercise regimen."

    That`s about 6000C per day. Did you run 2 marathons per day and never consume a single Calorie?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    "So your saying you lost over 2 lbs of fat everyday? Your either extremely obese or in the all likely scenario your full of poo."

    Not lying. I`m thinly built and tall, but I had extra weight on my gut. I couldn`t lose that extra weight while I ate dairy products, no matter how much exercise I did. I cut dairy out, kept the same routine, and immediately dropped the extra weight. After that, if I ate dairy again I would gain another 5 lbs almost immediately. My weight has stayed about the same ever since I stopped eating animal products completely, and I feel much healthier.

    There are plenty of vegans who are malnourished for the same reason so many meat eaters are obese. There isn`t any promotion or education of proper nutrition in our culture.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 2:58 pm
    "The worst humans can do to animals is nowhere near as bad as what life does to wild creatures."

    That is bullpoo. Animals in the wild die a natural death. They aren`t stuffed into tiny crates where they can`t move for their entire lives until slaughter.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 3:03 pm
    "That`s about 6000C per day. Did you run 2 marathons per day and never consume a single Calorie?"

    Part of it was surely water weight, but I haven`t gained it back in the year and a half since.

    I`m not saying it works that way for everyone, but it happened for me, and I`m more toned.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    Go vegan if you want. I have no interest in such silliness.
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    Vegans...being the prey of carnivores since life began on Earth.

    "Eat all of your hay" says the wolf to the lamb.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 4:13 pm
    PETA propaganda, the only thing that cuts into my loving is my smoking, and that doesn`t do it by too much. It`s more about how in shape you are than what you eat.
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    regediT Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 4:14 pm
    What normal woman would want to be f*cked by a silly pussy?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2012 at 5:06 pm
    A good rule of thumb is to assume that anything said by anyone from PETA is a lie, even if they believe it.

    If anyone is thinking about going vegan, please find a reputable source of information. You can severely mess up your health very easily if you rely on misinformation. It takes a fair bit of knowledge and care to be healthy on a totally vegetarian diet. Most people don`t even know what an essential amino acid is, let alone which plants contain how much of each of them.

    It also takes B12 supplements unless you`re eating poo. You might be able to get enough from organic food fertilised by poo and not totally cleaned or from slightly contaminated water - that`s how some people in some parts of the world get it on a purely vegetarian diet. But personally I`d take B12 supplements instead (you can get vegan ones).
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2012 at 5:14 pm
    Part of it was surely water weight

    15lbs is about 12 pints of water. That`s a rather extraordinary amount of excess water for a "thinly built and tall" person to be carrying around. If you were (as you say you were) eating the same amount and doing the same amount of exercise, you wouldn`t have lost any fat. It`s calories in - calories used, simple as that.

    Maybe you`re massively intolerant of dairy and...something.
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    VictoryRider Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    I haven`t had a problem as of yet...must be all those vegan animals I`ve eaten.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 7:32 pm
    A good rule of thumb is to assume that anything said by anyone from PETA is a lie, even if they believe it.
    Yep! I make that assumption about a lot of things. Churches, Fox News, Crackrjak, PETA, 5Cats, etc.

    It makes sense. The benefit of the doubt is only useful in so far as whatever you are giving it to is generally honest.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    LazyMe: Then again you make a lot of false assumptions too.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 8:14 pm
    didn`t watch it, but I`ve always seen that people who are vegan have a much lower sex drive
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 14, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Unfortunately, that was the only good bone he had.
    Vegans have weaker bones due to a lack of calcium.
    He`s also anemic, probably and lacks protein.

    It IS possible to get all you need from vegies, but you have to eat scientifically and most people just eat till their full. But if a vegan dies early, who cares?
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    VileFiend Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 8:42 pm
    You eat meat because you like it, anything else is just delusions and excuses.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2012 at 9:42 pm
    NOTICE: This comment is not for mixed company; guys only. Ladies move along.

    So, all you guys calling BS on this PETA ad: I`ll tell you, I adopted the Esselstyn Diet about six months ago (Google it if you`re curious). It`s a plant-based diet that`s been proven to expand arteries, veins, and capillaries. And... ummm... it`s generated some startling morning wood, if you catch my drift. Midday wood, too, for that matter. So I`m here to tell you--this ad is NOT pure bunkum.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    So, I`m trying to remember the reason we evolved canine bicuspids. Oh yeah. to RIP FLESH.

    Humans are Omnivores. To deny that is to deny yourself.
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    junkaroo Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 10:23 pm
    "So, I`m trying to remember the reason we evolved canine bicuspids. Oh yeah. to RIP FLESH."

    Not a vegan or veg-supporter type person, but: Have you seen the teeth on a gorilla? Their canines put us to shame and guess what, the biggest meat they ear is termites.

    Just wanted to point out that you`re living in a false reality, if you think our pathetic pointy teeth is proof we are meant to eat meat. There`s some really tough plant foods out there that need good sharp teeth to peel, and there`s also fighting to consider.

    So calm down a little, before you start swinging that little weapon of a fact you think you have. It actually means nothing when confronted with even the flimsiest of logic.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 10:35 pm
    What weapon? I was just trying to make a point.

    Also, gorillas eat other mammals, they just don`t actively hunt for them, like Chimpanzees do. (Chimps have been known to hunt for smaller monkeys, and destroy whole families of them just for sport. They eat most of them though.)

    We are more closely related to chimps than gorillas. Just sayin`.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 10:54 pm
    after i went vegan.. my ...meat... became stronger and had an increased expiry date, acording to some it tasted better too.
    So it apears that veggies are good for meat!!
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    junkaroo Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 11:52 pm
    "What weapon? I was just trying to make a point. "

    I was reffering the way you whipped that out like you were whipping out a katana of "i win the argument". Just letting you know how weak it actually is before you use it again.
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2012 at 1:20 am
    Save a plant - eat a vegan :-)
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    nostrathomas Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2012 at 3:16 am
    whats the point with being all up in our face with how you eat? i only eat plants or whatever.. yay for you. i only fart in lowly lite rooms so i can sneak away haaaa hahaha ahahahaaaahahah sorry for my outburst im tired lol
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2012 at 3:26 am
    Its recently been proven that plants feel pain, the only difference is that they don`t squirm because they lack muscle structure. Every time I eat, something has to die for that meal because I`m not photosynthetic; its a fact of life. It helps if you don`t think about some trumped up philosophical ramifications and think of it more in terms of survival.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2012 at 6:17 am
    How can one not eat a T-bone once in a while?
    Apparently you didn`t know that the T-bone is butcher trickery to make you pay for something of which the majority of its weight is bone and not meat.
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2012 at 7:57 am
    Hey Luckdave. Plants do not feel pain because they have no central nervous system
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    CaptainPabst Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2012 at 8:28 am
    But IAB already taught me that vegan`s don`t exist
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2012 at 8:52 am
    @tatripp
    I don`t think being vegan or not has anything to do with pain. If it did all they would ask would be to kill the animals instantly and painlessly.
    This is being done already btw, since if you painfully kill an animal the meat won`t be tender at all.
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    MrAtari Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2012 at 11:30 am
    There are even vegan cannibals, they only eat greengrocers...
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2012 at 4:46 pm
    Just wanted to point out that you`re living in a false reality, if you think our pathetic pointy teeth is proof we are meant to eat meat. There`s some really tough plant foods out there that need good sharp teeth to peel, and there`s also fighting to consider.

    1) Incisors might be used for peeling food. Canines are unsuited to that task.

    2) The tough plants you refer to are usually indigestible to humans - we`re not adapted to eating them. We`re not adapted to eating most plants, many of which are completely indigestible to us.

    3) Herbivores almost always have an abundance of molars because the most effective way to break down the tough plants (that we can`t digest anyway) is grinding.

    4) Humans don`t fight with our "fangs". It would be silly. We`re not adapted to do so.

    Add our digestive system and it`s extremely obvious that humans are biologically and physically adapted to being omnivores.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2012 at 4:54 pm
    So...can a person live healthily on a purely vegetarian diet if they live in a wealthy society with modern technology, i.e. they have ready access to a wide variety of plants to eat?

    Yes, as long as they supplement with B12 and they are educated about the nutritional content of different plants and they ensure they eat a suitable combination of plants. One good test is if they think that eating enough protein is one of the things to pay attention to on a purely vegetarian diet - if that`s what they think, they don`t know enough. You can eat double the required amount of protein and still suffer "protein" deficiency on a purely vegetarian diet - the issue is essential amino acids, not simply protein.

    Are humans physically adapted to being ("meant to be", in less accurate terms) herbivores? No. Clearly no. Obviously no.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2012 at 7:12 pm
    Good lookin` out Angillion. Preci.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2012 at 12:27 am
    Angilion,
    Since you use arguments that hold no ground what so ever, i`m going to be simple. take a good look at a dog, a pig, bears and some other real omnivores then look me straight in the eye and tell me your stupid enough to compare us to those. imperical evidence man. not "facts" produced by the meat industry.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2012 at 1:06 am
    I`ll just leave this here..


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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 3:25 am
    Angilion,
    Since you use arguments that hold no ground what so ever, i`m going to be simple.

    You are indeed being simple. And simply wrong. You can "counter" my arguments with bias and baseless statements showing your ignorance as much as you like. Repetition won`t make you right. It won`t change human dentition. It won`t change human digestion. It won`t change the extremely obvious and well supported fact that humans are physiologically adapted to being omnivorous.

    take a good look at a dog, a pig, bears and some other real omnivores then look me straight in the eye and tell me your stupid enough to compare us to those.

    Dogs and bears as "real" omnivores (whatever you mean by "real")? Interesting.

    By your own "argument", you are stupid enough to say humans are like cows. Actually worse, because cows are bona fide herbivores whereas dogs and bears are dubious as omnivore
  53. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 3:29 am
    imperical evidence man. not "facts" produced by the meat industry.

    It may come as a surprise, but there are people who reject your silly propaganda that flies in the face of empirical evidence and are not shills of the meat industry.

    You have no empirical evidence. You have no relevant knowledge. You`re just repeating "facts" produced by the vegan advocacy industry (I`ll phrase things in your terminology for your benefit) for propaganda purposes.

    I`m not objecting to vegetarianism or veganism as an ethical position. It has merit as an ethical position. But you still have to righteously attack the ungodly with furious wrath because they don`t share your faith. You`re a typical zealot, devoid of reason.
  54. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 3:40 am
    Just for the sake of some more accuracy:

    Dogs are carnivores, not omnivores. Bears, I`ll give you. Pigs too. But dogs are carnivores.

    Your confusion about that is understandable, as dogs can digest some plants, will eat a bit of plant food given a free choice and can be forced to be vegetarian without harming them (if you know what you`re doing, which many vegans don`t because they shun reality in favour of propaganda). But they`re still carnivores because they physiology and natural diet is predominantly meat.

    There`s a spectrum, not really just 3 discrete groups. At one end, pure carnivores who eat only meat, can eat only meat and must eat meat to survive (e.g. cats). At the other, pure herbivores. It`s not the case that everything in between is "omnivore".
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    epiphany101 Female 30-39
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    February 16, 2012 at 4:48 am
    The only benefit in the bedroom that non-red-meat-eaters have (eating poultry, etc, doesn`t seem to have much effect) is they taste better...
  56. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 6:28 am
    So much heat and so little light in this thread.

    I`m eating a vegan diet because it`s helped me lose stubborn pounds that wouldn`t come off otherwise and so that I can perform better in 5K competitive runs and for wicked strong boners.

    With access to a modern supermarket and B12 lozenges (as Angillion points out), it`s easy to eat vegan and get a far more healthy and nutritious diet than what most of the McDonald`s crowd is eating. My bone density is off the charts because I eat handfuls of calcium-rich spinach everyday and because of the running. (To those that think you need to drink cow`s milk for healthy bones, when`s the last time you saw an herbiverous elephant with brittle bones?)

    When my doctor took my blood pressure and listened to my heart recently, he gave a low whistle and complimented me (115/60 and 54 bpm resting). It`s not for everyone, but I get great results from it.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2012 at 6:49 am
    i`m not simply wrong, you`re just not willing to accept the fact that there is no foundation to your claim that humans are omnivores. that the same arguments you use are the same ones that are used to claim that we are herbivores.
    the fact that you doubt wether or not dogs and bears are omnivores shows you need to do your homework better. i`ll give you the one about dogs as it is one that is debated and depends which terminology you use.

    Which my shouting friend brings me to the next point. if they can`t even decide as to what is the differnce between a "facultive carnivore" and an omnivore, then how the hell can you say humans are omnivores and not facultative herbivore?
    well? or does shouting suit you better then reasoning?
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2012 at 6:56 am
    @angilion

    i know you can reason though, and you are kind enough to argue for me:

    Your confusion about that is understandable, as Humans can digest some flesh, will eat a bit of flesh food given a free choice (. But they`re still herbivores because they physiology and natural diet is predominantly plant based foods)

    see? it isn`t that hard.




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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    Your confusion about that is understandable, as Humans can digest some flesh, will eat a bit of flesh food given a free choice (. But they`re still herbivores because they physiology and natural diet is predominantly plant based foods)

    see? it isn`t that hard.

    There is a key difference.

    My argument is based on reality, supported by facts.

    Your argument is based on propaganda, supported by faith, and you just pulled it out of thin air. Human physiology is obviously not herbivorous - we can`t even digest most plants! We don`t have the right set of teeth. We don`t have the right jaw movement. We don`t have the right digestive system. We`re generalists, not specialists.

    You`re doing a great job of portraying vegans as being as annoying as religious zealots ranting at people in the street. Maybe more so, as they can`t be proved factually wrong.

    Are you doing that deliberately?
  60. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    Which my shouting friend brings me to the next point. or does shouting suit you better then reasoning?

    Are you done with your silly accusations yet? Or are you switching to those because your reasoning-free repetition of the tenets of your faith hasn`t persuaded me to embrace it?

    You`re off ranting at everyone who doesn`t absolutely agree with the propaganda you`re peddling.

    I`m not shouting.

    I`m not opposing veganism or a purely vegetarian diet.

    I`m saying it`s a sound ethical position.

    And you`re still ranting at me because I won`t deny reality to embrace your faith, even if it requires you to contradict yourself.
  61. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 7:08 pm
    For example, you`re arguing that dogs are omnivores because they can eat some plants despite most of their natural diet being meat and their obvious physiological adaptations to eating meat...and at the same time you`re saying that humans are herbivores despite the fact that their natural diet is a mixture of meat and plant and they have a physiology adapted to both (and, as a result, not as good at either as an animal adapted for either one).

    Either you argue that being able to eat both to any extent makes an animal an omnivore (which makes humans and dogs omnivores) or you argue that classification should be based on natural diet and/or physiological adaptations (which makes humans omnivores and dogs carnivores)...or you contradict yourself in order to cling to an irrational position as a matter of faith (which is what you`ve chosen to do).
  62. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 7:20 pm
    With access to a modern supermarket and B12 lozenges (as Angillion points out), it`s easy to eat vegan and get a far more healthy and nutritious diet than what most of the McDonald`s crowd is eating.

    You need access to knowledge as well, and the willingness to implement that knowledge in your diet. You must have done that as well. For example, you specifically mention eating large quantities of spinach for calcium, so you know that calcium deficiency is a concern on a vegan diet. There are better plants for that (the calcium in spinach isn`t very accessible to humans), but if you like spinach enough to eat handfuls of it every day then it`s the right one for you. I`d probably use it for calcium myself if I went onto a purely vegetarian diet, for the same reason.

    What do you do to ensure you get enough of each essential amino acid?
  63. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    @Angilion: In terms of getting the essential amino acids, there`s a product I use called "Bragg Liquid Aminos." Most supermarkets carry it. It`s dervied from soy proteins, tastes a lot like soy sauce, and I use that on my savory dishes.

    Link here.

    As far as the herbivore/carnivore thing goes, I think biologically we`re omnivores, evolved over millennia of eating mostly plants but a significant amount of meat as well. I base this on our GI tracts. Strict herbivores have very long small intestines because it takes a lot of effort to extract the required nutrients from an all-plant diet; strict carnivores have relatively short small intestines because the meat is nutrient-dense. Our small intestine length (so I`ve read) puts us in the middle of the extremes, suggesting our GI tract has evolved based on a mixed diet.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2012 at 8:24 pm
    Addendum: If anyone hasn`t figured it out already, I`m eating vegan not because I think it`s more natural (I don`t think it is) or for any ethical reasons (although some factory farming practices do make me shudder), but simply for the results.

    When I read about the Esselstyn diet, it just made a lot of sense to me: I adopted it quickly and haven`t looked back since.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2012 at 11:07 pm
    angilion. actualy you are the one of a rant.
    and you are not making any sense. i pointed out that the arguments used for classification are not clearly defined. and that you should use your own brain. i don`t pull facts out of thin air, i actualy read up on this and do so before i shoot my mouth of. esp. since the definition and argumentation does vary a lot depending on who wrote the article.
    as for example: Dogs and thankfully i`m not shouting zealot.. so i did a double check, and perhaps you should do that too. i can pull facts from biologist and vets to "prove" they are omnivores. i can also do that to "prove" they are carnivores.
    so stop calling me and idiot and a zealot and learn to accept that facts are found and used to suport someones theory. think for yourself once and try not to blur out insults to try and make yourself look smarter. you don`t need to i know you have a brain.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2012 at 11:18 pm
    ... or you argue that classification should be based on natural diet and/or physiological adaptations (which makes humans omnivores and dogs carnivores)

    Considering the lack of clear classification (and really read a few articles from differnt people)
    i don`t blindly accept "facts" and use my own reasoning. that tells me that humans have no speed, nor the strenght nor the "weaponry" or even the senses, digistive tract etc to be omnivores, the fact that we can doesn`t make it so. as you argued with dogs.
    Think man, Think.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 6:54 pm
    so stop calling me and idiot and a zealot and learn to accept that facts are found and used to suport someones theory. think for yourself once and try not to blur out insults to try and make yourself look smarter.

    So now you add hypocrisy to your list of character flaws. Well done. Are you trying to collect some sort of set?

    I don`t recall calling you an idiot. You`re probably lying about that as well. But since you are merely a zealot ranting furiously with wild accusations against someone because they don`t share your faith, you`re not worth the amount of time it would take for me to search 3 pages in order to check.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    i don`t blindly accept "facts" and use my own reasoning. that tells me that humans have no speed, nor the strenght nor the "weaponry" or even the senses, digistive tract etc to be omnivores, the fact that we can doesn`t make it so. as you argued with dogs.
    Think man, Think.

    Humans are extremely well adapted to hunting animals. Look up "persistance hunting". Or continue to protect the ignorance that allows you to cling so stubbornly to your faith. I don`t really care which.

    Humans are extremely well adapted to tool use, including weapons.

    Humans are extremely well adapted to tracking by sight *and intelligence*.

    So you`re wrong about speed, strength, weaponry and senses.

    Humans also have a digestive tract that is not optimised for plants or meat. Because we`re physiologically adapted to being omnivores.

    So you`re wrong about digestive tract too.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    Maybe you should take you own advice and think rather than demanding obedience to a faith-based position directly contradicted by reality.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 7:12 pm
    @Angilion: In terms of getting the essential amino acids, there`s a product I use called "Bragg Liquid Aminos." Most supermarkets carry it. It`s dervied from soy proteins, tastes a lot like soy sauce, and I use that on my savory dishes.

    Thanks...does that contain the phytoestrogens in whole soy? Or do the seperate out just the proteins? The manufacturer`s website you linked doesn`t seem to mention it. There`s a bit of a question mark over the effects of those phytoestrogens on people.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 7:20 pm
    Also, just to make an earlier point clearer:

    MrOrange, you are changing how you define herbivores, omnivores and carnivores on an ad hoc basis in order to fit different animals into the classification you want them to be in. So, for example, when you talk about dogs you change your definition of `omnivore` to include dogs and then when you talk about humans you change your definition of `omnivore` again in order to exclude humans...even though your new definition contradicts the one you used before and will use again.

    That isn`t a lack of clear classification. It`s you redefining words on the fly to fit your belief system. You`re just trying some misdirection with that line.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    Regarding the Bragg Liquid Aminos, I don`t know if they exclude the phytoestrogens. Although I was concerned about them several years ago (it was one reason I used to be resistant to drinking soy milk), what I`ve read is that recent research is indicating the phytoestrogens aren`t a concern and may be a benefit. (I was just checking now, and the Wikipedia article links to a couple studies of that opinion... haven`t read them yet, though.)

    Basically, my sources of protein are nonfat soy milk, a regular dish I have of lentils and brown rice (lentils have a number of otherwise hard-to-get essential aminos), whole grains, and the Bragg Liquid Aminos.

    If you`re interested in plant-based diets, I highly recommend the book on reversing heart disease by Dr. Esselstyn. The diet he advocates in that book is the one I follow. Thankfully, I don`t have heart disease. But the diet has a lot of other benefits beyond cardiovascular health.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2012 at 9:27 pm
    @Angilion: Just checked the Bragg site and they have a page discussing phytoestrogens, which the product does contain. Link here.

    If you find any research from the past five years or so that`s suggesting the phytoestrogens are problematic, let me know. Thanks!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2012 at 6:25 pm
    [quote">If you find any research from the past five years or so that`s suggesting the phytoestrogens are problematic, let me know. Thanks![/quote">

    I last looked several years ago, when I was considering going to a wholly vegetarian diet, no animal-based food at all. What I found was essentially that phytoestrogens have a strong effect in vitro and can be harmful to animals...and nobody knew the effect on humans, especially men.

    I`ve just looked again and the situation has changed a bit, but it`s still not at all well studied in male people.

    I`ve read a summary of one of the studies wikipedia links to and it indicates that reasonable doses are harmless to men, but maybe not to male people who aren`t yet men (the adverse effects are much stronger on immature male animals than on mature ones).

    A study

    So for male
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2012 at 6:45 pm
    While looking into Bragg`s liquid aminos, I found some startlingly extreme opinions on it. You can find people who straight up call it poison, literally poison.

    The manufacturing process does sound horrible (vats of hydrochloric acid, then bucketloads of alkali to neutralise the acidity - that`s what creates the relatively high salt content) but the manufacturing process of a lot of food sounds horrible if it`s described in detail. Modern food production isn`t all organic plants washed in distilled water, that`s for sure.

    As for the free glutamic acid it contains, that`s like MSG, which is POISON! Well, sort of, if you eat enough of it or you`re *really* sensitive to it.

    But if you read the raving, you`d think that Bragg`s liquid aminos is one part arsenic to two parts cyanide.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    If you`re interested in plant-based diets, I highly recommend the book on reversing heart disease by Dr. Esselstyn.

    The problem is that I`m not at all interested in cooking or food preparation. To be wholly vegetarian, I`d need some sort of ethical reason strong enough to overcome my lack of interest. I don`t have one. So I`ll continue with eating at work and microwavable ready meals (which, thankfully, are not bad nowadays) because I don`t care enough to change that.

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