Law Enforcement Seizes Motel For Money

Submitted by: Fincherian 5 years ago

Law enforcement seizes motel from innocent family because .05% of their customers used drugs in their motel
There are 66 comments:
Male 94
this is not whateveryoumacallitism. this is life. life sucks.
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Male 289
..and again,this surprises anyone..becaaause?!?...."land of the free" with freedom to go left or right..in the same direction
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Male 907
This has nothing to do with capitalism, it is a form of socialism whereby the government uses a pretence to seize private property to use for its own purposes, primarily supporting the salaries and benefits of public employees.
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Male 335
Not capitalism. we live in a plutocracy.
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Male 914
"And capitalism fails again. "

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Male 5,811
[quote]This is not capitalism in any way, shape, or form. This is pure statism, i.e., the exact opposite of capitalism.[/quote]
Yes and no. Anarchism is the opposite of statism, capitalism would be somewhere in the middle. But in any event capitalism is an economic system and this has nothing to do with economics really, it`s more an issue of political power exercised to work around having to do actual police work and spits on due process.
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Male 38
Many people have taken drugs on the New York City Subway. Many other crimes were committed there, including rapes and murders.

Why don`t the Feds seize it from the City of New York? Surely it must be worth a fortune...
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Female 220
My Dad got busted growing weed. He was facing many charges and was discribed as a huge drug lord with guns ect (what he grew was personal use, only one gun for protection and no proof of ever selling or smoking with anyone). He had some major felony charges against him but they dropped all charges and "wiped it off his record" in exchange for his 40 something thousand dollar truck. Not sure how I feel about it... I bring this up Because I just wanted to point out a personal instance of police and political corruption, even on a smaller level.
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Male 17
And capitalism fails again.

and our public school system fails again *facepalm*
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Male 712
So that means if I smoke weed in a hotel like The Holiday Inn Express nearby, cops should sieze it? In that case, setting a legal precedent, cops are gonna have their hands full with booking rooms?

Person 1: Wasn`t jail bad?

Person 2: Oh no I was jailed in a Holiday Inn Express?!
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Male 15,832
[quote]And capitalism fails again.[/quote]
This is not capitalism in any way, shape, or form. This is pure statism, i.e., the exact opposite of capitalism.
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Male 190
And capitalism fails again.
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Male 1,920
@EmagehtmaI
"Btw, if anyone is just multiplying 125,000 x .05, the numeral ".05" is equal to FIVE PERCENT. But POINT ZERO FIVE PERCENT is ONE TWENTIETH of a percent...
I`m pretty good with numbers, and it took me a minute to see it."

Or you could just look back a page in the comments where this has already been sorted out.
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Male 5,811
These laws were written to circumvent smart criminals using legitimate businesses as fronts. Cops can`t usually gather enough evidence for criminal proceedings, so they do this and on top of it there is REVERSE ONUS, which is laughable. Many countries have been doing this for years. The US Marshall office manages these properties, I think right now they manage something like a billion dollars of property.
[quote]If this precedent is set, is there a hotel/motel anywhere that could not be seized? I`m sure a lot of other businesses would also qualify. [/quote]
This is not a precedent, it has been in law for many years already.
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Female 2,525
And this is why the war on drugs will never end. It`s too profitable.
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Male 187
One hundred times greater, sorry.
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Male 187
Btw, if anyone is just multiplying 125,000 x .05, the numeral ".05" is equal to FIVE PERCENT. But POINT ZERO FIVE PERCENT is ONE TWENTIETH of a percent.

In other words, to find out how many people have been arrested, multiply .05 x .01 (.01 being the numerical equivalent of 1%), which gives you .0005. Multiply that number by 125,000, and you get the true number of people who have been arrested.

(I`m pretty good with numbers, and it took me a minute to see it. But just multiplying 125k x .05 means you are getting a number that is one thousand times greater than. 05%)
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Male 718
You know what? i wanna be a cop now. because it seems like all cops are nothing but dirty, evil, rotten thugs. this is worse then the mob. they make the mafia out to be some horrible crime sindicate but wtf are the police doing differently? i mean you cant even get a cop to arrest one of his other cop friends.. its a bunch of bullpoo. i hate america i wish i had the money to just get the hell out of this rotten cesspool
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Male 187
Solution for America`s debt crisis: I`m willing to be nearly 100% of McDonald, Taco Bell, and other fast food franchises have had a great number more than .05% of their customers arrested for crimes. Seize all those properties, sell them, pay off our debt. Also has the benefit of helping our obesity problem.
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Male 11
USA, has the best Democracy in the world :-D
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Male 48
that means that 6,250 people have been arrested at the motel over 20 years which is 312 arrests a year, nearly 1 per day. I can understand why the government wants to take action!
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Male 17,512
After seeing Thdot`s links and a few others it seems these people have let their motel go to sh|t.

Even though the place seems to have went downhill, I believe the authorities need to prove some sort of crime against them or else stop their seizure effort.
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Male 3,631
Statism at its best Squrlz - take a deep breath.
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Male 1,252
That which is legal is not always just, therefore that which is just is not always legal. Just saying lol.
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Male 3,431
Yeah the place sounds like a Goddamn Dive and this law was enacted to help limit the number of Slum Lords running $#!+ holes like this.

Burn the effing thing down.
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Male 6,227
@MrPeabody: Good questions. I`m curious myself. You`d think the police could pretty much shut down illegal activity inside of a year by focusing their enforcement.

What troubles me about this seizure law is that no compensation needs to be provided (unlike eminent domain), which seems like an invitation to abuse.

I`m guessing, but the ability to seize things without compensation in the WOD was probably introduced to take away the planes used for transporting drugs into the U.S. and to make the stakes too high for the pilots/owners to risk it. Using the law to seize a motel, no matter how seedy it is, seems wrong.
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Male 626
talon0325,
Maybe you should calm down a bit. I though Canadians were supposed to be nice? And I doubt the law is 200, or a politician owns half the town. Maybe you should learn a bit about America before you criticize it. Your point about most of the people here haven`t passed 6th grade is also incorrect, I`d say 99% of the population has had some form of higher school education. I`m not sure how it works up there in your frozen wasteland, but in the civilized world, we have laws requiring education.
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Male 1,920
"So, for the sake of discussion, let`s say the majority of the motel reviewers are right, the video is biased, and the motel in question is a notorious haven for prostitution and drug use."

What seems odd to me is that if it is that easy to spot the drug dealers, so much so that reviewers can openly see them, and apparently according to one reviewer the police regularly stake the place out, why aren`t the police just arresting them and putting them away? That`s their job, not confiscating people`s property.

Also if the owner is responsible to the extent that they can seize his property, why not just arrest him?
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Male 1,404
Dealing with urban blight is never a popular topic. Seems like it should be more of a heath department and code enforcement issue rather than a a law enforcement issue unless the owner/management is knowingly participating in illegal activity.
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Male 6,227
My favorite of the reviews Thdot directs to:

[quote]WEEKEND OF OUR LIVES - 5 stars

I took my wife there for our 5th wedding anniversary. Let me just say that there are going to be many many more after this. First we started with a great Chinese meal accross the street, and then came back to our room where we were greeted by friendly staff and friendly neighbors. Everyone was just hanging outside of their rooms looking to chat and they were very generous. One man offered me something he called "ice" and another man offered me something he called "crank." Just let me say I have no doubt where we will be spending anniversary #6.[/quote]
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Male 6,227
O boy. This story gets A LOT more interesting if you read some of the motel reviews that Thdot provides the link for. So, for the sake of discussion, let`s say the majority of the motel reviewers are right, the video is biased, and the motel in question is a notorious haven for prostitution and drug use. Does that change anything? Should the government be able to seize it?

Bear in mind that we have laws of eminent domain. If your state or the federal government decided the citizenry need a highway that would cut through your property, the government can seize your property to build said highway, no matter how strenuously you object. In other words, we already cede the rights to private property in instances where the public interest is involved.
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Male 382
200 yr old law being used by a poohole town such as pukesbury to kiss the ass of some politician that probably allready owns half the town. Welcome to America, Land of the free and the right to bear arms, Yet most of the people there have never made it past grade 6, Friggin hypocrites . ( yes, you can look up that word if you are smart enuff). Why is the economy failing? Look at our leaders really well. WTF have they done in the last 20 yrs? And do not blame Obama. He just got stuck with this poo.
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Male 658
I might feel more for the guy if he didn`t run one of the scummmiest motels in MA.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g41863-d1124170-Reviews-Motel_Caswell-Tewksbury_Massachusetts.html
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Male 10,845
On top of which I consider the War on Drugs to be one of the most unsustainable, irresponsible, and outright illegal assault on American citizens` liberties.
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Male 10,845
[quote]I`ll be interested to see how IAB`s conservatives weigh in on this one.[/quote]

That`s the problem, that label and it`s converse "liberal" have been meanings that are so incredibly nebulous. They get more strict when you breakdown the stance down into "social" or "fiscal".

I consider myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I also consider myself more fiscally conservative than other conservatives on this forum as I think that OASDI, MediCare, MedicAid are the most repugnant attempts at government-issued palinquins for our seniors. I also believe that NO budget, not even defense, should be considered a "sacred cow" per se.
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Male 10,845
[quote]I don`t see that as being abuse of the law, not strictly speaking, because the law was written to be used for anything the authorities could interpret into it and written to give them as broad a scope as possible for interpretation.[/quote]

The Supreme court should strike it down as being overbroad.
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Male 881
CrakrJak, I was responding to post where he said, ".05% of 125,000 rentals is 6,250". I was correcting that, not basing my percentage off the video. The video does have .0005%, but it has a window over it correcting it to .05%, which is probably the percentage that they are claiming. You, in responding to me, made a error in your calculation, .0005% of 125,000 is .625 people which would work out to be .03125 people per year. Not 3.125.

The answer is: approximately 63 people over 20 years.

sosueme1966, if CrakrJak, with his 150 IQ, can`t get it I guess you`re off the hook. But then again, he believes in fairy tales and not what the various sciences have discovered.

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Female 6,381
I saw a TV profile of a pilot, a man who had always dreamed of starting a charter service around the Caribbean. Long years of saving finally earned him his own business jet and he flew charters all over the islands, US, Central, and northern South America. One day A guy hires him to fly from Venezuela to the States. By LAW the pilot isn`t allowed to inspect the guy`s baggage, which, upon landing, turns out to have drugs in it. >Poof< the feds seize the poor guy`s plane, livelihood, and dreams. First incident, no way he could have known, and who cares?
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Female 7,838
And yet, supposedly, the system is drawn up to prevent such terrible laws from being passed...
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Male 12,365
I think the same reason applies, madduck. Laws are being deliberately written to have a broad enough scope for them to be used for almost anything. I don`t see that as being abuse of the law, not strictly speaking, because the law was written to be used for anything the authorities could interpret into it and written to give them as broad a scope as possible for interpretation.

As you say, that means that it could be brought into play against the assets of someone behind the law, but people often do things with the (often unconscious) assumption that "it won`t happen to me". Also, they might believe that the law is only going to be used against major drug dealers (or terrorists, or whatever the excuse group is that day).
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Male 439
@nottaspy:

Hmm. That does dilute that particular argument, doesn`t it? Can I just admit I was wrong without going back to school? I am a little busy for that.

I would still have liked to see more a fleshing out in the video of exactly what the police department`s case was. Like I said, I virtually always side against the government, but I generally prefer to have all of the facts in front of me before I do.
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Female 7,838
Oh- lost a bit----- into play against their assets....
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Female 7,838
Ok- that wasn`t quite how I meant it Angilion. That is a law that is worded in such a way that abuse becomes almost immediate, and whilst I know what the drivers can be for such law, it means that those draughting it must have been aware that the potential for widespread abuse was there- and been damn confident it would never assets
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Male 17,512
NottaSpy: The video quotes .0005%, the title here on IAB of .05% is not right.

It comes up to 3.125 guests per year out of 6250 total guests per year, a very small number no matter how you slice it.

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Male 12,365
[quote]But even if the principle is there it is wrong, how did that ever get into law???[/quote]

The "war on some drugs" mentality. The rules are different in war than they are in peace. There are far more restrictions on civilians and far less restrictions on the authorities.

I`m old enough to have seen the most commonly used excuse change several times. Paedophilia, drugs and terrorism are the main excuses here in the UK, with illegal copying making a strong showing recently.
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Male 881
sosueme1966, .05% of 125,000 is 62.5. Go back to school.
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Male 439
BTW- I am a Libertarian and was as outraged as everyone else until I actually did the math. I still don`t support the seizure, but this video is extremely one sided.
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Male 1,178
fine, but we don`t really get the full story here. It`s a completely biased viewpoint, and there is no indication as to whether it`s true or not.
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Male 439
.05% of 125,000 rentals is 6,250. Divide that up by 20 years and you see that rentals in this motel resulted in over 312 arrests PER YEAR. A little less than ONE PER DAY.

I could see the police getting a little fed up by that.
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Male 526
i wonder which drugs they were and were they arrested while in the hotel. or did they happen to stay at that place for a moment? if smoking became illegal, could they reverse that and close everything else down?

i also don`t see how it would hold up in court. it`s not like he filtered people out or did a drug test then let them stay in there. and i`m certain there are many business that hired people that had a drug problem - you could close microsoft for the same reason. i wonder what the real reason is besides selling the place. it`s like a scooby doo mystery.
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Male 1,920
If this precedent is set, is there a hotel/motel anywhere that could not be seized? I`m sure a lot of other businesses would also qualify.

@Squirlz
"On the other hand, they are also pro-law enforcement and supportive of the `War on Drugs.`"

This is not law enforcement, this is abuse of power, thuggery and thievery. This also has nothing to do with the war on drugs as it does absolutely nothing to stop drug use or distribution.
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Male 25,416
If this is real... this is messed up
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Male 17,512
Squrlz: I for one think this lawsuit abuse by the government is awful. This is not what the law was intended for and I hope the government gets it`s ass handed to it in this case.
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Male 2,422
Cops are just another gang of thugs, just with snazzier uniforms. Oh and the lawyers, we mustn`t forget the lawyers.
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Male 2,384
drat the feds police and lawyers working for them
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Male 6,227
@Gerry: Yeah? Well, no one embarrasses myself as well as I do. So there!



Okay, perhaps I misspoke (err... mistyped?). Take 2: "Most conservatives I`ve met are pro-law enforcement and support the WOD." Howzzat?
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Male 1,526
Kill all government.
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Male 37,913

Squrl, stop talking, you`re embarrassing yourself.
I`m a conservative and I don`t support the War On Drugs (WOD) nor am I a big fan of the cops. Yes, it`s true, conservatives are as individual as anyoe else.

I would post a pic of a stupid squirrel, but I`m traveling and only have my iPad with me so I can`t, but just you wait until I get home!
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Male 40
Burn it to the ground and collect the insurance.
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Female 90
as a conservative, this is disgusting.
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Female 7,838
If true it is wrong- and ridiculous. But even if the principle is there it is wrong, how did that ever get into law???
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Male 341
Squrlz will make several peoples heads explode with that conundrum.
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Male 663
This is messed up if the information is accurate. I just get a weird propaganda kind of vibe from the video.
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Male 6,227
I`ll be interested to see how IAB`s conservatives weigh in on this one. On the one hand, conservatives are anti-government, pro-individual rights. On the other hand, they are also pro-law enforcement and supportive of the "War on Drugs."
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Male 39
Link: Law Enforcement Seizes Motel For Money [Rate Link] - Law enforcement seizes motel from innocent family because .05% of their customers used drugs in their motel
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