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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    Link: JFK Makes Rick Santorum Want To Throw Up - The principle of church-state separation is no laughing matter or puking matter, for that matter.
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    coffeekoneko Female 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    Gah I don`t even know what to say. I am so enraged my the idiots on the right. I just drating -DAMN! These right wing, theocratic, homophobic, misogynistic, racist, classist have no business in the US. If they want a theocratic dictatorship they ought to go to Saudi Arabia- OH WAIT. It`s only okay for religion to be in the government if that religion is Christianity. Connards!
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    "is absolutely anathetical" what?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    Absolutism of any kind is bad. To say that a populace`s opinions, no matter their source, can not have any influence on government is absurd.

    Think of it this way, What if some president had said that the separation of science and government must be absolute ? Imagine the uproar that would cause.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    kinda wanna hear the rest of it now
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    krw888 Male 50-59
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    Rick Santorum needs to consider how much he wants Islam to influence the state. Or is it that influence is only acceptable if it is his religion.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:55 pm
    Ahahaha! Doomed. You people are doomed... *if* you elect this guy.

    You could almost count on the likes of Sarah Palin to be stupid and thus blunder through a presidency not causing too much destruction.

    ... but this guy will actively try to undo everything you fought for in the last, oh, century. ... and he`ll know what he`s doing.

    Absolutism of any kind is bad.
    1+1=2 is an absolute fact.

    You being an idiot is not an absolute fact, but it is a good enough statement for all practical purposes.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:00 pm
    CrakrJak: "Think of it this way, What if some president had said that the separation of science and government must be absolute ? Imagine the uproar that would cause."
    Not as much as you think if that was written in the U.S. Constitution.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:00 pm
    "What if some president had said that the separation of science and government must be absolute ?"

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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:02 pm



    And just like that, little Ricky`s argument was invalid.
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    clockwork208 Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:02 pm
    Becasue science is observable and proven - religion is snake oil. What kind of dumb question was that?
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    Smutleybutt Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    "We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor will we ever," "Church and state are, and must remain, separate." Ronald Reagan, 1984
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:12 pm
    Crakrjak, if you really look at it, there is a separation between science and state. If there werent, then there wouldnt be so many rules that halt scientific progression.

    You know, like banning certain forms of stem cell research for example.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    What?
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    Crakr:

    I bet seperation of church and state would be more important to you and those you support if Islam, or Satanism were the dominate religion here, I and others who fight for an absolute seperation (including many Christians) make no distinction. Santorum threatens everyones freedom as does your support of him.
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    number1man Male 13-17
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    then maybe he should go live in petopia
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    so the Churches want the gov to stay out of their business completely and use the concept of "seeperation" as justification whenever they precieve that the gov is interfering with their ability to make their own decsions, such as with the borth control/insurance issue recently.

    BUUUTTTTT

    the church believes they should have every right to have a direct influence on the gov and should have the ability to create policy and law based on their beliefs?????

    hey relgious people, can`t have it both ways. I am a believer in God but I do not believe in a US run by believers in gov. simply put, I doubt you believe what I believe and do not trust you to dictate to me through your view of religion how I should live my life.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:32 pm
    should have said "God" not "gov".
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:33 pm
    if Ricky wants religion in gov he is going to have to wtf up and realize that opens the door FOR EVERY OTHER RELIGON.

    who`s up for some sheria`s law?!!
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:48 pm
    I`ve come to a conclusion.

    all of these republicans who are currently running are idiots. all of them. that makes the only person "worth voting for" Obama. plan is a success...

    in the unfortunate even that i am wrong (please god let me be right) they will just run again next term. god help us if we cant find a proper candidate to combat them by then...
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    "What if some president had said that the separation of science and government must be absolute ?"

    The idea that science and religion should be given equal consideration is an ignorant proposition.
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    IrishJesus Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:56 pm
    I think this is why so many atheists hate religion...
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    Here`s what Kennedy said. How is this wrong?

    "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference; and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

    I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as a
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    @jamie76, A-Fricken-Men!
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 2:06 pm
    ...is treated as an act against all."

    You have to remember that Kennedy was a Catholic and there was a lot of distrust then of Catholics. So, at that time, his religion was seen as "questionable". Sort of like Romney`s Mormonism is today. Still, how is what he said in ANY way throw-up worthy?
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 2:19 pm
    @Collegebound: Elizabeth Warren, maybe?
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 2:21 pm
    jtrebowski: no idea who that is sorry to say. i dont watch cable and i dont hear anything about politics unless its from this site or an election is coming up. keeps me from raging a lot more often than what i currently do now.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 26, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    You could easily replace his christrian rhetoric with islamic dogma and it`d sound the same.
    "Christian Values" must be in government."
    "Sharia law must be obeyed".
    Just switch the names of prophets & stuff, it`s all the same, really.

    Which is why all of it sounds stupid to athiests.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 2:32 pm

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 3:39 pm
    Otto: For someone to say that their religious opinion, or lack thereof, cannot ever influence public policy is stupid.

    That would mean that an atheist couldn`t run for president, because his/her opinion would influence our nation. No one can separate their faith, or lack thereof, from their view of what is right or wrong, it`s NOT possible.

    You can`t expect a president, member of congress, or court justice to live in a vacuum with no presupposed opinion.

    Absolutism of that kind is a falsehood, no matter who says it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 3:50 pm
    jamie: If you want that much separation, that a church pastor can`t preach his opinion on who to vote for, then the unions, lobbyists, and community organizations shouldn`t have that right either. Do you really want to see things go that far ? Would you really want your opinion squashed like that ?

    Free speech trumps all other amendments, That`s why it`s #1, at the top of the list. It says freedom of religion, NOT freedom from religion (or any other point of view).
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 4:23 pm
    The only difference between Sharia Santorum and Mullah Omar is that Santorum can`t grow a beard and the Mullah can`t rock a sweater-vest.

    Tell Sharia Santorum and the American Taliban to keep their Bible out of our Constitution.
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    guillotine Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    Rick Santorum is a looney bin. Religious wierdos like him need to back off. I don`t mind people having a religion but trying to push their imaginary friend on others is a bit much. Saying listening to this imaginary friend is how you need to run the country is downright scary. JFK was the last real president, and it makes this asshair want to puke.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 4:42 pm
    @CrakrJak: What do unions, lobbyists, and community activists have to do with the seperation of church and state?
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    "For someone to say that their religious opinion, or lack thereof, cannot ever influence public policy is stupid."

    There is a big difference between religious opinion influencing decisions and legislating those opinions on others. You and Santorum want a `soft theocracy`.



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    Ant0n Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 4:46 pm
    I hope he ends up like JFK, preferably without getting elected.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 4:47 pm
    CrakrJak:

    "If you want that much separation, that a church pastor can`t preach his opinion on who to vote for."

    Pastors are not supposed preach on who to vote for now, churches can lose tax exempt status if they do, it is part of the law.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 4:56 pm
    "It says freedom of religion, NOT freedom from religion (or any other point of view)."

    Actually it says neither, it says:

    `Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.`

    which the Supreme Court has defined as a seperation of church and state. In the Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, 512 U.S. 687 (1994), Justice David Souter, writing for the majority, concluded that "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion." Once again the judicial branch of the gov`t isprotecting us from the majority, using the Constitution to do so and that is a blow to you and Santorums hope for a soft theocracy.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 5:04 pm
    Time to start feeding christians to the lions again.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    Ant0n: As despicable as Santorum is, you just trumped him. Not cool, man.
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    ukulelemike Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 5:16 pm
    One look at the outside of the Judicial building in Washinton should tell us that the founders, who penned the Constitution, did not mean that government could not recognize and religion or moral principals thereof-it meant that the government could not mandate or control any religion, which was the case in almost every other country at the time.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 5:22 pm
    More evidence of Christians pushing their beliefs on others.
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    skine Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 6:13 pm
    "It says freedom of religion, NOT freedom from religion (or any other point of view)."

    How can one have freedom of religion without freedom from religion?
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    skine Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 6:23 pm
    "No one can separate their faith, or lack thereof, from their view of what is right or wrong, it`s NOT possible."

    But there is a distinction.

    For example, a politician may believe that homosexuality is wrong, and thus that gay marriage is wrong.

    However, they can realize that their view is entirely personal, and that, outside of their religion, there is no good reason to oppose either gay sex or gay marriage.

    Similarly, say that a majority of our officials were Jewish and Muslim. They would hopefully recognize the importance of the lobster industry in Maine, and realize that it was not their place to outlaw bacon.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    Crakrjak may have The Dude as his avatar, but for some reason in my head I always see him as more of a Walter...
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 7:30 pm
    and that is why he wont win
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    thelonious Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 7:35 pm
    You see, this is part of why you should support him. Not that he will be the GOP candidate, but you have to look at supporting the ridiculous candidates from the other party to help get someone to run that has no chance of getting elected. I`m looking for some serious Mormon bashing to come out once Romney is seeded.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 7:41 pm
    Otto: You and Santorum want a `soft theocracy`

    Wrong, Not he or I are advocating that pastors (or other religious leaders) take a role as legislators in government. He`s also not advocating that America establish Christianity (in any form) as a state religion, What he is advocating is that government get out of the way and quit telling churches what they can preach, and what they can and can`t do to help society.

    The left has done a hatchet job on Rick, of false narratives and outright lies, about his political opinions. The amount of libel and vitriol heaped on him would`ve silenced lesser men. That after all, is the goal of these leftists, to beatdown people into submission.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

    Currently congress is prohibiting the free exercise (speech) of religion and that is unconstitutional.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 8:01 pm
    "No one can separate their faith, or lack thereof, from their view of what is right or wrong, it`s NOT possible."

    Morals do not come from religion or lack of religion. This statement is just stupid. My conservative parents do not believe in organized religion. Yet they instilled in me a great set of morals.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 8:06 pm
    skine: A congressman`s responsibility is to his/her constituents and what they want, their opinions are relevant as well. If a congressman doesn`t try to act on what their constituents want, they won`t likely be re-elected.

    Therefore we have a self-correcting system, or at least that`s how it should work. The problem comes when pundits and extremists go on the attack and intentionally rake people over the coals and distort the facts.

    This happens to me almost daily at IAB, have been called everything in the book, harassed, heckled, trolled and libeled.

    Liars hate the truth like roaches hate the light, they`ll scurry off and run. I`m not a liar, not running away, and won`t be silenced.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 26, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    CrakrJak "What he is advocating is that government get out of the way and quit telling churches what they can preach, and what they can and can`t do to help society."
    I don`t recally any branch of government telling churches what they can and cannot preach. Where is this happening?

    As for helping society, they can open soup kitchens but they have to obey the health codes. They can also provide insurance, but they have to obey the laws there as well. If they don`t like it, they can get out of the insurance BUSINESS and go back to churching. I dont` recall Jesus offering insurance to the deciples so there is no religious right to self-insure.

    P.S. I don`t think any insurance carrier should have top rovide contraception, but since they do, so do the insurance companies owned by churches.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 8:21 pm
    markust: Morals do not come from religion...
    They didn`t materialize out of thin air, I can assure you. Morals certainly have came from religion, as have most of our laws (common law). And just because our laws had their original sources from religion doesn`t mean our government has established any state religion.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 8:28 pm
    Gerry: A quote from Otto: Pastors are not supposed preach on who to vote for now, churches can lose tax exempt status if they do, it is part of the law.

    No church should be forced to decide between ceasing services and following government mandates that conflict with church doctrine.

    The whole effort of these mandates is to eliminate churches from running hospitals, soup kitchens, food banks, etc... which would make the government the sole provider of those services by default. It`s a huge government power grab.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 8:50 pm
    "The problem comes when pundits and extremists go on the attack and intentionally rake people over the coals and distort the facts.

    This happens to me almost daily at IAB, have been called everything in the book, harassed, heckled, trolled and libeled."

    Once again I am left scratching my head. Do you not realize that you are an extremist? That is why people get so upset with your comments. When you are as far to the right as you are everyone to the left of middle looks like an extremists to you.
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    Simbosan Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 8:57 pm
    "They didn`t materialize out of thin air, I can assure you. Morals certainly have came from religion"

    What utter baseless bullpoo, you actually believe that you can back that up? We all know you just made it up bud, everyone knows.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    If this guy is elected, I can can understand why muslims would want to `make a big statement`. I wouldn`t condone that, but I would see where they`re coming from.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 9:15 pm
    Anyone ever think it was weird that President Lincoln was taken out in the Ford Theatre, and President Kennedy was taken out in a Ford Lincoln?
  58. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    markust: You`re calling me an `extremist` really ? According to the polls I`ve seen, mine is a rather centrist view comparatively.

    Extremists would be the WBC, muslim brotherhood, black panthers, earth liberation front, animal liberation front, communist workers party and the Occupy movement.

    Perhaps it is you that are so far to the left that a centrist seems radical to you.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 9:26 pm
    Davy: There is a whole list of coincidences between Lincoln and Kennedy, some true, some iffy, some just wrong. Snopes
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 10:05 pm
    Oh my gosh you finally made me laugh CrakrJak. You think you are a centrist. That is a good one. Nothing like a deep laugh before bedtime. Thank you.
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 11:35 pm
    I think JFK said that because he was Catholic and people thought that he would do whatever the Pope told him to do.
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    zombieraptur Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2012 at 12:05 am
    We shouldn`t even be entertaining Santorum. He is a joke anyone who flaunts the bible as he does yet supports war and bigotry is just a wolf in sheeps clothing. This man only brings religion up when it serves him. I`m an agnostic but christians must shudder when this man spreads his hate in the name of a loving god. He is an utter poo and a hypocrite that brings politics down to such a base level which is sad and it pains me that we even entertain such an idiot when we have such real issues to deal with.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2012 at 12:19 am
    Radicals like this guy make Muricuh a laughing stock.
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    scapegoat7 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2012 at 12:31 am
    Can`t wait for him and Gingrich to finally drop out. Ron Paul would destroy Mitt one on one.
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    Sinn Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2012 at 1:09 am
    Dear Americans,

    PLEEEEEEASE vote in Ron Paul.

    Sincerely,

    The rest of the world.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2012 at 2:49 am
    markust: Of the political tests I`ve taken on the internet, most of the time my results sit right on the centrist libertarian line and about 10 percentage points toward conservative.

    Perhaps you should take a few and share your results, as I have mine.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2012 at 3:25 am
    This guy`s a dick. The only way he`ll ever be president is if everyone else in America dies.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2012 at 4:37 am
    Of the political tests I`ve taken on the internet, most of the time my results sit right on the centrist libertarian line and about 10 percentage points toward conservative.

    Well then now I KNOW I`m more fiscally conservative then you are.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2012 at 5:27 am
    I`m Christian and I don`t want the two to mix. Reason being, I don`t want it used as an excuse to do evil. If there`s no influence, than there`s no corruption.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2012 at 6:23 am
    Santorum is a prick. A small-minded, terrified little prick. He should have been born in the 12th century. He`d have been quite happy there.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2012 at 8:25 am
    " Currently congress is prohibiting the free exercise (speech) of religion and that is unconstitutional."

    Churches can preach anything they want but if they want that to include political stumping they have to pay taxes. You want your cake and eat it to eh Crakr?
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2012 at 8:48 am
    "The whole effort of these mandates is to eliminate churches from running hospitals, soup kitchens, food banks, etc... which would make the government the sole provider of those services by default. It`s a huge government power grab."

    Crakr go make yourself a tinfoil hat. If churches were allowed to decide what type of health care is covered under their employment then the Jahovas Witnesses could refuse to cover blood transfusions, unlike your red herring arguements this would be a real possibility.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2012 at 8:53 am
    "Of the political tests I`ve taken on the internet"

    Stopped reading right there.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2012 at 9:41 am
    Otto: What about all the black churches that stumped for Obama in 2008 ? Are you seriously going to go in them and tell them they can`t tell their parishioners to vote for him or loose their soup kitchen ?

    I seriously doubt it, because the race card hurled at you, from such a threat, would flatten you like a pancake.

    What`s said at the pulpit is protected speech, period. Nothing should threaten or trump that.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2012 at 10:09 am
    I seriously doubt it, because the race card hurled at you, from such a threat, would flatten you like a pancake.

    Not really race was a big factor in 2008 so even without the churches it wouldn`t matter anyways.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2012 at 10:49 am
    Crakr:

    "What`s said at the pulpit is protected speech, period. Nothing should threaten or trump that."

    If churches start preaching and telling their congragents who to vote for then they are acting as political organizations, which they are allowed to do, they just lose tax exempt status. You want it both ways. NO churches should be allowed to do this it makes NO difference which candidate is supported. The race card can`t be used if the law is applied equally and if they still argue `the race card` they are being dishonest. Churches know this rule very well, but obviously this is news to you. You again miss the mark on this.
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    Muert Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    This has a transcript of everything he said:

    http://tinyurl.com/7kbdguy
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 1:45 pm
    "Of the political tests I`ve taken on the internet, most of the time my results sit right on the centrist libertarian line and about 10 percentage points toward conservative."

    If someone can point me to a political test that is non-biased I would gladly take it and post the results. I`ve never taken one so I don`t know which are legit. Whatever tests you have been taking is clearly geared to skew the results to make conservatives feel like their views are centrists. If your views were centrists-right-leaning you wouldn`t get attacked so much on this site. You get attacked because your view are way to the right of the political spectrum.
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    krw888 Male 50-59
    174 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    And this is why Rick will never be president.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 1:50 pm
    Well to be fair CrakrJak some of the attacks come from people on here who are way to the left on the political spectrum. And some of the attacks are from people who are passive aggressive and are really timid pussies in real life.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 2:24 pm
    Fancylad if you could find a non-biased test to determine a persons political leaning I think it would make for a real interesting post.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    markust: just pick some at random, do a google search, I didn`t vet any of the one`s I took nor did they seem biased.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    Otto: As I said before unions, lobbyists, and community organizations with NPO status shouldn`t be allowed to tell people who to vote for, or not vote for, either.

    Demanding that churches remain politically silent is unconstitutional.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 3:30 pm
    I took this test. CrakrJak.

    On a 1-10 scale my results were:

    Left Leaning: -3.00 from the middle
    Social Libertarian: -3.79 from the middle

    This is about where I thought I would be. Not moderate but not even half way to being extreme.

    Could it be that I am confusing your religious views with being extreme and you are confusing my views on equality and gay rights as being extreme?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 3:46 pm
    This won`t make sense without the scale headings:

    Economic Scale (Left): -3.00 from the middle
    Social Scale (Libertarian Left): -3.79 from the middle
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 5:31 pm
    Crakr:

    The Code states in relevant part that 501(c)(3) organizations cannot “participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.”


    Under current law, churches, as well as other 501(c)(3) organizations, may engage in nonpartisan campaign activities, primarily consisting of voter education. Thus, they may organize and coordinate nonpartisan get-out-the-vote and voter registration drives; sponsor nonpartisan candidate debates or forums, so long as all legally qualified candidates are invited to appear and wide spectrum of issues are covered; educate all candidates on issues of public interest; and create legislative scorecards or voter guides. All of these permissible activities must be done on a nonpartisan basis. A 501(c)(3) entity should not even tacitly express favor or disfavor of a particular candidate.


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    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 5:38 pm
    "As I said before unions, lobbyists, and community organizations with NPO status shouldn`t be allowed to tell people who to vote for, or not vote for, either."

    The information I provided on the other post covers all 501(c)(3) organizations, if the unions, lobbyists, ect are tax exempt I would agree with you.

    My opinion is churches should not be tax exempt, and if that were the case churches would have no restrictions on their political activity. Pros and cons both ways.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 5:42 pm
    Tax churches. Call it a syntax.
  89. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 8:54 pm
    markust: I took the same test. The results below.

    Economic Left/Right: 0.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.79

    Seems you are further from the center than I.

    Try this test, it`s the most recent I`ve taken and the one I quoted from earlier.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    February 28, 2012 at 12:06 am
    Your results and your comments do not match up. If you were a moderate you wouldn`t get attacked the way you do. Or are you really a sociopath who just loves pissing people off?
  91. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    February 28, 2012 at 12:57 am
    markust: What you consider to be `moderate` are people just like you.

    I really believed that my score would`ve been more to the right than it was, probably because of the way people treat me here.

    Turns out I`m not that far to the right and it`s more likely that most people at IAB are like you, so far off to the left side that centrists seem `extreme` because of the false belief that you`re all `centrist`, or close to it.

    Perhaps you just aren`t willing to accept that revelation, about yourself, so you have to believe that I`m a "sociopath who just loves pissing people off" to rationalize it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    February 28, 2012 at 1:00 am
    markust: If you wish I`ll even list my answers and you can retest it for yourself, since you seem to not believe me.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    February 28, 2012 at 6:59 am
    I don`t consider myself a moderate. I`m about where I thought I would be - about a third to the left. There is absolutely no way you are a moderate or centrist. It`s laughable that you think you are. Your views and the political leaders you support are very conservative. Seriously I laughed out loud when you first said you were a centrist.

    Looking into this test, and the complaints, it was made in the UK so it does not take into account American politics. That could be the problem right there.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    February 28, 2012 at 7:16 am
    markust: Fine, take the test I linked to then.

    You`re so unwilling to believe the one you linked to, that now your blaming the test.

    This stage is usually called denial. Next will come anger, then bargaining, depression and acceptance.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    February 28, 2012 at 7:55 am
    I absolutely question any test that says you are a centrist. Seriously Crakrjak. It`s ludicrous that you think you are. You support Santorum and people like him who are extremely conservative because they have a lot of the same views as you. Yet you think you are somehow a centrist. It`s like I am having a conversation in bizarro world.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    February 28, 2012 at 8:03 am
    I am quite honest where I stand on the political spectrum. But you can not admit where you do. How can anyone trust anything you say if you can`t be honest with something as simple as this?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    February 28, 2012 at 8:32 am
    I have a busy day ahead of me. I`m going to have to jump off here. It`s been weird CrakrJak. Have yourself a fabulous day.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    February 28, 2012 at 3:46 pm
    markust: I see you`re already starting to get to the next level, anger.

    I have no reason to lie and answered the questions given honestly, I`ve even offered to share my answers to the list of questions to prove it.

    How about this, you retake the test and answer the questions the way you believe that I would answer them, share the answers and the results. Then I`ll show you how I answered those questions, we`ll compare and contrast.

    That`s a reasonable, logical and fair way to analyze this. Your refusal means you`re scared of the truth. I`ll be waiting.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    February 28, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    I wasn`t saying you lied about the test I was saying you are not being honest about where you see yourself on the political spectrum. Either that or you are delusional.

    What`s up with the stages of denial? Is that supposed to get me riled up? It`s just nerdy and weird.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    February 28, 2012 at 8:43 pm
    markust: Not being honest, aka dishonesty, is lying. So yes, you called me a liar.

    That and you`re still avoiding answering my challenge about the test, or are you conceding that your claims of me being ludicrous, delusional, dishonest and a sociopath are totally full of sh|t ?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    February 29, 2012 at 11:46 pm
    You are like a child (I know you are but what am I?). You are the one avoiding CrakrJak. You can`t admit that you are very conservative. You are not a centrist. If you are a centrist then so is Madest. He is the furthest left on this site and you are the furthest right. There was actual a time where I thought you were the same person because you both were so extreme. I thought it was just an act to screw with people.
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    gigs1890 Male 18-29
    32 posts
    March 1, 2012 at 2:24 am
    hooray for theocracy!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    March 1, 2012 at 2:31 am
    markust: Now I know your mind is really bent. You really thought I was madest ?

    Bud, you got more problems than can be solved with a simple test if you think madest is a `centrist`.
    He`s a HuffPo, Daily KOS, liberal kool-aid drinking stooge with a UFO penchant.

    I`m now afraid to ask what you think I am, but I can tell you this for certain, I`m not a racist, a WBC member or an `extremist` in any regard.

    If you care to disbelief those facts, that`s on you. One can be passionate about their beliefs without being an extremist.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    March 1, 2012 at 8:02 pm
    How can you turn my comment,
    "You can`t admit that you are very conservative. You are not a centrist. If you are a centrist then so is Madest."

    into "Bud, you got more problems than can be solved with a simple test if you think madest is a `centrist`."

    Let me spell it out for you slowly because you have trouble actually reading what people write: You are as extreme to the right as Madest is extreme to the left. You are not a Centrist.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    March 1, 2012 at 8:03 pm
    That last sentence had 4 spaces between each word. Weird, they take extra spaces out.
  106. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    March 1, 2012 at 8:06 pm
    "One can be passionate about their beliefs without being an extremist."

    The topics on IAB that I get passionate about are gay rights, tolerance and equal rights for all. Yet because of this you call me an extremist. You`re a hypocrite.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    March 1, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    Maybe it is the word extremist that has you in a mental block. Replace "extremist" with "very conservative". And no I do not see you in any way the same as the WBC. And I do not see you as a racist.

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