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Date: 02/15/12 09:07 AM

30 Responses to In Policy Shift, Reddit Bans Child Pornography

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18942 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 9:30 am
    Link: In Policy Shift, Reddit Bans Child Pornography - And in doing so, millions of Reddit users` voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. LOL!
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    fancylad Male 30-39
    18942 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 9:32 am
    How soon before Reddit users start going ape-sh*t about free speech, even for Reddit pedos.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 9:35 am
    Making child porn is clearly wrong, but that`s as far as I`ll go.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 9:50 am
    The answer to that is quite simple, if it`s between consenting adults, thats fine. But a child is not deemed to be able to consent and therefore has no free will (in kiddy pron), and free speech doesn`t overule free will.
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    fancylad Male 30-39
    18942 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 9:50 am
    LazyMe484, JUST making it? Please tell me you think people who enjoy is are wrong, too.
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
    2551 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 9:55 am
    In other words, Reddit is aware that this is the beginning of the end for free speech, and it has no choice in the matter. Looking at what reddit banned (i.e. jailbait) isn`t actually illegal. For it to be `Child Pornography` a work must be sexually explicit or obscene. Obviously the definition of “sexually explicit” is subjective, which leads to this being a very gray area of the law. All of the banned subreddits fall into this gray area. Anime/Manga that depict minors in such a way is one of these grey areas. We should ask now what grey area will be next to go? Marijuana? File Sharing? I mean, /r/picsofdeadkids is (or was when I last looked) is still up, as is /r/beatingwomen. What will happen if reddit recieves apparantly underage looking boys/girls on their 18+ porn boards? Will they get shut down?
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
    2551 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 9:55 am
    How many offending images does it take to get a subreddit shut? Now you`ll be wondering if you can post a picture of a girl because "Can I post this photo of a cute girl? I don’t think she looks under 18, but what if Reddit disagrees?" Reddit clearly states that this blanket ban is because its “previous policy to deal with on a case by case basis has become unsustainable.” In other words, Reddit is now so popular that it cannot practically afford its members the right to free speech. This is normal for large communities, but it does mean that Reddit will now steadily trend towards moralism, bureaucracy, and conservatism. With “suggestive content” now out of the way, what’s next? Will /r/Trees and /r/Cannabis, two subreddits dedicated to the smoking, growing, sourcing, and general championing of illegal drugs, be allowed to stay?
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2012 at 9:55 am
    What about the subreddits that tackle explosives or fabricating other dangerous chemicals? Therein lies the crux: Before, you knew exactly what was and wasn’t allowed on Reddit — now we have no idea, and all it took for Reddit to enact a ban on “suggestive or sexual content featuring minors”.
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    Norris Male 18-29
    1011 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 9:57 am
    personally I think child pornography should be legal

    just to catch the people in the photos/videos though :P
  10. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36860 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 9:59 am

    The age of consent, or when you become an adult, varies from country to country so who`s standard do you use when judging if it`s a "minor" or not?

    Is it still child-porn if the legal "age of consent" is under 18?
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14654 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 10:27 am
    It was ALLOWED? WTF?
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    Squidbush Male 40-49
    803 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 10:32 am
    Interestingly, most of the world`s age of consent is 16. Some are much lower. Only a few countries and some US states have set it as high as 18.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
    3287 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 10:42 am
    Good old use. Where you can drive and kill someone with a vehicle at 16, but cant have a family till 18 or drink with friends until 21.

    That country really needs to get their priorities straight.
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    bankvole Male 30-39
    959 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 10:48 am
    I`m confused. Child pornography is illegal. They already had a ban on anything illegal. Therefore it should already have been banned...?
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    Jewzis Male 18-29
    8 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 11:42 am
    looks like fancylad just lost his main supplier of porn
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2012 at 11:49 am
    Why are they banning something that`s already illegal? So either they were allowing illegal stuff on their website, or what they are banning is not illegal. It`s a paradox!
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
    2551 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    I /think/ what they`re banning isn`t technically child porn, but exposing (i.e. bikini, cleavage, or anything with any vauge hint at sexuality) jailbait pictures. I`m sure some child-porn slipped through (probably a lot more got through recently) so they`re closing those places so that the easily fooled / unknowledgable people (politicians) will think that something is actually happening.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    CP is just wrong! At least its not on there anymore
  19. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36860 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    As I understand it, in Spain the age of consent is 13, so is it okay since they are old enough to consent to the act. Or is it `child` porn because a consentual act was photographed?

    Just stirring up debate... I think child porn is sick.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36860 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    What about sketches or drawings? There`s no victim of child pornography so are they permitted?
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    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
    2033 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 1:14 pm
    I love moronic news articles like this. Reddit has high traffic, some users on reddit shared child porn, therefor all traffic to reddit is about child porn!


    Don`t knock them too bad guys, about 80% of IABs material comes from there.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    "What about sketches or drawings? There`s no victim of child pornography so are they permitted?"

    They should be... are those illegal (or is reddit banning them)? Technically there`s no difference between looking at a sexual sketch of an adult, or of a child. Both are just ink on a paper. Isn`t hentai featuring minors at least somewhat common? I don`t think that`s illegal o_O If it gives someone an outlet for this disgusting thoughts toward children, without ever harming an actual child, then I don`t see the problem with it...
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    Pheeshy5 Male 18-29
    1312 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 1:36 pm
    Figured more people would know about this since IAB gets most of it`s content from Reddit. It was because of the subreddit r/preteen_girls.
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    Langer Male 18-29
    394 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    for people saying "isn`t it already illegal?"

    "In response to Cooper, one of Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian`s defenses of Reddit`s content, specifically the morally questionable kind, is that Reddit "doesn`t host" the material, that the website is merely a repository of links."

    merely hotlinking or pointing to a site is one loopholes that sites use to get out of trouble (for instance, sites that use megaupload, mediafire, etc to host pirated content)...that`s pretty much crashing down now so reddit are just covering their asses

    chances are it`s not going to make much of a difference but saying you`re doing something nearly covers you better legally than doing it without screaming to the world that you`re doing it
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    VictoryRider Male 40-49
    1461 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    Glad to hear it. Surprised it took so long.
  26. Profile photo of Swaywithme
    Swaywithme Female 18-29
    3696 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    ....there`s child porn on reddit? o___o; Well....I`m glad I just...sit here and let y`all rifle through that schmidt then :)
  27. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    I get banning footage but illustrations? Sounds like the thought police. It is rather surprising to hear after a while.
  28. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 4:32 pm
    Why are they banning something that`s already illegal? So either they were allowing illegal stuff on their website, or what they are banning is not illegal. It`s a paradox!

    No, it`s politics.

    Reddit has always banned anything illegal. They`ve called the police in as well. Their previous policy was that they wouldn`t ban anything legal even if it was offensive, i.e. freedom of speech to the limit of the law.

    What has happened now is that adverse publicity has resulted in reddit banning some things that are legal, without really defining what is banned (in part because censorship is usually hard to define clearly).

    Of course, this means that in time anything that offends anyone with enough political power (including media attention, as that is political power) will be banned, regardless of the legal status of the material. Free speech isn`t a pick `n` mix thing - either you allow offensive (but legal) speech or you don`t.
  29. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 5:37 pm
    @Angillion

    It seems to me you`re referring to the nebulous, overbroad standard of the Miller Test.
  30. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36860 posts
    February 15, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    If perverts don`t have an outlet for their unnatural urges, they`ll pursue it some other way . . .


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