How To Live Without Money

Submitted by: captkangaroo 5 years ago Weird

Many people are learning to live sustainably, without money. What are the pros and cons?
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Female 399
I like to buy things.
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Male 5,811
[quote]If a janitor is paid the same as a surgeon, who is going to want to go through all the school necessary to operate on people?[/quote]

Communism fail. In a communist society all people aren`t paid the same. Read some communist theory then come back.
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Male 15,832
[quote]anyone else read anal ternative life[/quote]
Yeah. Now we know what they`re trading to get all the stuff they need to survive.

You can also go to their other web site, oralternativelife.com.
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Female 2,525
That`s a pretty cool idea. I couldn`t do it permanently, but I`d try it for a week.
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Male 21
This is not living sustainably. Taking donations and stealing thrown away food is not self-sufficient. These people are parasites, living off of people who do spend the money to import food from farm lands. Just because they don`t spend money doesn`t mean that the rest of the world could take a lesson.
Also, the reason why communism will ALWAYS fail is because there`s no incentive to rise above mediocrity. There`s no reason to be a doctor or engineer or ANYTHING that requires effort, study, and thought. If a janitor is paid the same as a surgeon, who is going to want to go through all the school necessary to operate on people?
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Male 1,089
"maybe if we got some lights..." nuff said
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Male 244
this is great until someone gets raped
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Male 5,811
And before you point out that I said "no-energy-input", at the time I was referring to no electricity.
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Male 5,811
Your basic RO unit will need 2.5 kWh/m3 to run. So to make 1000 L (1 m3) of water, with one kWh = 3.6 million Joules, you require 2.5 kWh or 9 million Joules. RO is magnitudes more efficient than distillation, and works in a fraction of the time, hence distillation is inefficient.
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Male 5,811
[quote]RO removes salt. How is something that is "no-energy-input" "horribly inefficient"? It`s just slow without good engineering.[/quote]
RO isn`t filtration. If you have a community their size of around 20 people, each needing roughly 1.8 liters of water per day, you essentially need 36 liters of water per day. To distill water, you need to boil it. Assuming ambient temp of 23 degrees C, you need to raise the water`s temp by 80 degrees to boil (at sea level). The rule of thumb regarding turning the whole liter of water to steam is 10 times the time it takes it to reach a boil. So the equation looks like: 80 x 4200 x 1 x 10 (80 degrees x 4200 Joules to raise one kg of water one degree x 1 kg x 10 to make it all steam). So you need 3.36 million Joules to distill one liter of water, and after you make 36 L, you need 1.21 x 10^8 J all together.
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Male 7,123
Oh what fun, let`s live like slum dwellers for a while.

People who have to live like that tend to see it as something to escape from, not aspire to.

But they don`t seem to be doing any harm and I wouldn`t want to see then hassled for no good reason. Let them get on with it.
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Male 25,416
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Male 2,419
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Male 2,376
lol what a joke. they live off a throw away society.. if they actually had to survive in the woods somewhere.. these people would be eatin by a bear in no time flat
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Male 5,811
[quote]Sand filtrationz how do it workz???[/quote]
It works by separating out foreign material that is larger than the pore size created by the sand. Unfortunately, no kind of filtration can remove dissolved particles like salt. If the type of sand you used was SiO2, some of the Na would adhere to it, but not enough to remove the 3.5% or so salt content of sea water. The only effective method of free, no-energy-input desalination is distillation, which is horribly inefficient.
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Male 583
anyone else read anal ternative life
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Male 14,330
@morimacil123

Sand filtrationz how do it workz???
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Female 6,381
Squatters living in a dump; now that`s progress. I bet they all smell just great, too. 8-P
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Male 942
All I could thing through the entire video was "HOLD THE #$(*&^ CAMERA STILL!!"
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Male 171
"@ morimacil123 - this planet is 2/3rd water. There is no shortage. That myth is just another way of squeezing the populace."
yes, 2/3rds of the planet is indeed water, but it is mostly saltwater.
If you were to take showers and baths in saltwater (without using harmful chemicals as soap or shampoo ofc), that would not be an issue.
Go swimming in the sea all day, its not an issue.

The issue is when you take clean, drinkable water (which half the human population lacks), and then use hundreds of liters of that to clean yourself, and pollute it at the same time, so its afterwards no longer drinkable.
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Male 673
NO! This not a an answer, this is being lazy. People have been there and then they progressed because it`s sh*t.
And you are not independent at all, you still need clothes, medical care, transportation, police, firefighters....
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Male 14,775
Thankfully 99.9999`% of society does not live like that or we`d be totally fooked.

You need a kidney transplant. Oh, I`ll stop by the free organs table and borrow a blunt knife.
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Male 37,897

So stylishly homeless is something to admire now?
Something to aspire to?

We are doomed.
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Male 2,737
repost
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Male 1,249
Major pro: not being apart of the bullsh*t materialistic western machine
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Female 220
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Female 220
@Freyr108
They have that. Out in the desert Somewhere in the Western US. I`m trying to google search it to find it but they build the homes almost 100% recycled material, tires, glass bottles, everything. Only thing new is the solar panels for entergy. The water collected from the rain is used for drinking, then shower, then water the plants, then toliet water. They look funny on the outside but are pretty amazing. If I find a link I`ll post it.
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Female 220
I would have mad respect for these people if they actually made their own stuff... Made their clothes, grew their own food, made their own shelters. That would be impressive to me but a few people who just take free handouts and live off other`s work isn`t that special.
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Male 2,516
Hobo camps like that get bulldozed by the city right away over here.
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Male 37,897

@ morimacil123 - this planet is 2/3rd water. There is no shortage. That myth is just another way of squeezing the populace.
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Male 1,950
This sort of moneyless society is comin`. Not from the hippies, but instead from the bankers. Once they drive the value of the dollar below that of toilet paper, it`ll become just that. Have fun farming, motherdraters!
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Male 171
"they all look so filthy"
Aye, thats normal. Its because they arent constantly 100% clean.
Its only recently that its become normal to wash yourself at least once each day. A while ago, people used to only was about once a week, except if they were especially dirty for some reason.
And with clean water becoming more and more precious, it isnt likely to go on for very long either.
Using over 100 liters of tapwater per person per day just for personal hygiene might keep you super clean, but in the end its just not sustainable.
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Male 37,897

As I watched the video, I said to myself, "She has the hairiest legs and pits ever."

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Male 707
@PhotoKing
I`m sorry to say this bro... But with this attitude, u won`t last very long when the poo hits the fan..
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Male 17,512
Communes have been tried before, all eventually collapse for various reasons.

In any case this is not self-sustainable living if they are mooching off their capitalist surroundings.
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Male 702
So it`s like camping, only without the fun parts.
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Male 526
that`s what they call squatters now? they all look so filthy. where is this electricity coming from? and the lights. how about their clothes? medical? whose land is that?

if you have nothing, then i guess it`s ok to have a floppy curtain shower outside in the leaves. but if you have money?

how about sanitation and running water? where does that poo hole go? and when it fills? what about those urine soaked hay bales, where do those go? wouldn`t it just kill everything living in the end?
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Male 203
I wouldn`t mind "living without money" but not htier way, my way would be to save up my money first to build an eco hosue
Electricity and heating can be provided via solar panels and wind turbines, sewage would lead to a reed pond which will eventually filter it out, and a garden where I can grow my veggies and done!
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Male 2,440
Live without money? Sure, see how long that`ll last ya. Money isn`t evil, ya dumb hippies. It`s a storehouse of value, makes transactions quicker and easier, and allows for proper allocation of resources based on prices.
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Female 2,674
"They said they go through the garbage, thrown out (I`m assuming) by grocery stores to get their food. That isn`t living in a sustainable fashion, that is mooching off the system."

So you`d rather the food to just remain garbage instead of having people eat it? It gets thrown out because it`s past the date where it`s illegal to sell it (and I assume it`s not legal to give that to a food bank too), so they pick it up and eat it instead of letting it go to waste.

There have been times in my life where we were really broke and had to do things like this for food. Well, we never got food from garbage bins. But my mom would go up to certain stores right when they were about to throw out food, and ask for it. They gave it to her completely for free. I don`t see what`s wrong with it when it`s going to get tossed anyway.
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Male 501
People like this are only alive at the sufferance of those who actually contribute to society.
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Male 715
sooo now it`s in style to live life like you`re homeless... I think I`ll stick with helping my mother can stuff from her 3 acre garden every year to cut down on food costs
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Male 335
dirty hippies need a bath.
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Male 616
Human roosterroaches
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Male 1,686
Pigtail girl is David gilmour incarnate.. Circa 1978
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Male 14,330
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Male 701
yeah, it`s called Burning Man
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Male 2,552
Frickin` hippies.
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Male 1,178
I`m interested to know how they intend to pay for the electricity for the `cinema` and lights in that room?
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Female 19
Firstly, its great they can work together and have a peaceful, happy community. But everything they are doing is just rubbish. They say they`re eco-friendly, which by reusing and not using power, by default technically they are. On the other hand though, they`re just living off other people`s hard work!
They said they go through the garbage, thrown out (I`m assuming) by grocery stores to get their food. That isn`t living in a sustainable fashion, that is mooching off the system. Now I am not saying it is okay for the stores to be throwing that food out, I am a firm believer that anything the stores are going to throw out they should donate to the food bank.
If they were growing their own food (which they aren`t) and using only that which they make I would be less critical of them. If everyone in the world began right now to live as they do, within 48 hours we would be hooped.
There is a positive message to be heard through what they are doing, but they need to execute it
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Male 96
Where is my Slayer CD
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Male 16
OWS losers.
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Male 1
That`s not eco-living. That`s scavenging. If they grew their own food instead of dumpster diving, that would be an eco-living community.
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Male 5,314
1. dirty dirty hippies
2. go do this out in the wilderness, not in a populated area. see how quickly they miss civilization.
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Female 1,205
Interesting. In theory, I would love to live like this. In reality, it would be really hard. I don`t think I could do it.
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Male 2,631
Link: How To Live Without Money [Rate Link] - Many people are learning to live sustainably, without money. What are the pros and cons?
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