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Date: 02/03/12 12:26 PM

40 Responses to Heartfelt Plea From A 15-Year-Old

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 3, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    Link: Heartfelt Plea From A 15-Year-Old - The daughter of two gay men pleads with a committee to `help me feel equal` by passing the NJ same-sex marriage bill.
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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 3, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    By the way, the New Jersey Assembly Judiciary Committee she was appealing to passed the bill and are sending the legislation to a full Assembly vote on Feb. 16th. `Scuse me, I think I have something in my eye.
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    I`m glad I live in a state where marriage is defined as being between one man and one woman.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    Emotional pleas don`t move me at all.
    Pure logic is much more compelling.
    Tho I do agree that two gay people should be able to "marry" and get the same benefits two straight people would get. Notice my wording.
    If two straight guys want to get married, I endorse that to. So they can be bros for life.
    I see marriage as a purely legislative agreement to share possession and so forth. If you want the whole lovey dovey stuff to shove a ring in peoples faces to show how much love they have, they might as well just buy a ring each and... give it to each other. Maybe change their last names to match.
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    toonman4445 Male 13-17
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    February 3, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    ya lets pass a bill for one person sounds great
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    February 3, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    toonman4445, except that it`s not for one person. She`s kind of speaking for every kid of gay parents.
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    alliknow Female 18-29
    155 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    Or pass it for the many that are in relationships and want the right to be married to one another and the same rights as straight married couples
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    Selous Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    being the daughter of 2 gays, she will definatly do anal

    oh, btw, couldnt care less if gays get married or not, the institution of marriage was dead when divorce was allowed
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    Selous

    Well. Just make a new level of marriage. But warn people they can`t back out. And have laws against adultery for them, with stiff penalties. Don`t know why anyone wants to enter into mutual bondage like that. It should come with extreme warnings. Maybe one year trial before it enters into full effect and can not be broken.
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    mrsdoctorwho Female 18-29
    14 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    @insane ai You are obviously against gay marriage and I would just like to say that I feel bad for you. It`s sad that people are so afraid of what they don`t understand.
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    smaus Male 30-39
    715 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    I wish they would make it legal everywhere because I`m tired of hearing about it, why do some feel the need to have a contract to say they love each other
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2012 at 1:17 pm
    Either certify all relations or don`t, that`s my ultimatum.
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    C_Frost Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    how could her parents not being married possibly affect her.
    if they both adopted her then they`re both her parents legally.
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    Zymotical Male 18-29
    198 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    Just ban government sponsored marriage already. I`m so sick of this poo that doesn`t affect anything that actually matters.
    While you were too busy fighting for your right to be married you`re losing your right to be free.
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    ByOwlPost Female 18-29
    519 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 1:28 pm
    Smaus - They don`t need the contract to say they love eachother, they need it so they can legally be a family. If one winds up in the emergency room their significant other isn`t allowed to see them because the law says "family only" it`s stuff like that.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2012 at 1:29 pm
    @Zymotical
    there are plenty of things that change in the eyes of the law and the tax system between a married couple and 2 random men off the street
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    Zymotical Male 18-29
    198 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    Why do people feel the need to draw up a contract to express their love towards each other? Contracts are to ensure that you have recourse when the other party deviates from the written contract. If you are not civilized enough to be able to resolve these issues within the household then you lack the ability to make said decisions in life.

    Stop wasting my drating tax money figuring out who is going to get the couch or the car. That goes for all relationships be you polygamist, homosexual, or whatever I do not care just stop wasting mine and the government`s time and money and go about your life.
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    sunday_scour Male 18-29
    283 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    Very good post.
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    Zymotical Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    @I-IS-BORED There should be no difference in the eyes of the government. People are people. THAT`S IT. Treat everyone equally, namely unmarried persons are discriminated against in the tax code and it is not the purview of government to tell me that I have to file paperwork with them to get the same benefits as another couple.

    Not gay rights, but the right of those wishing to abstain from government oversight in their relationships. I am all for gay rights, but have no idea why they want to be part of an institution that existed to tell society which woman was this mans property.
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    talon0325 Male 40-49
    382 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    Exactly what rights is she/he/it looking for? So your dads are gay. Get on with it. Neither one of them were capable of concieving you. Yet , I would wager that neither of them are your father, and now at your age of 15 , you have decided that the state is against you. WTF have you been doing for the last 14 yrs? This is just another media hog thats want`s attention. Ohhhh, poor little girl can`t accept that the state does not accept same sex marriage. You are 15. When did these 2 get together? Stop reading from your promt sheets and get rid of the forced tears. Grow the F up and get on with your life. Go to school and get a job. Marry whatever you want. Now F#$K off and leave the rest of us who don`t give a ^&%$ alone.
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    talon0325 Male 40-49
    382 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    Really want to feel equal? Grow a dick and a pair of balls and get &^^%#ed up the rear. Still do not understand what you want to be equal to. My opinion still stands. She just wants attention on a world scale. No skills or looks. How can she possibly pay for everything unless she sells her story?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    @talon

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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    February 3, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    Like the average American, it`s probable that I`m going to be married and divorced a few times in my life... I hope at least one of those is a gay one.
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    JacobTrue13 Male 18-29
    260 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    I would like to point out that talon0325 is a f*cking ars*hole.
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    bigkkm Male 50-59
    98 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    Five out of five IABers agree: talon0325 is a f*cking moron.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    how could her parents not being married possibly affect her.
    if they both adopted her then they`re both her parents legally.

    She`s a much more politically useful front than either of her fathers would be. Her message doesn`t have to be truthful - we`re talking about politics here, so the truth doesn`t matter much. Emotional appeals carry far more weight (if the person making them is in a "right" group, as she is).

    It`s an ugly thing.

    I think that Ajikan is right, although I would extend it to polygamy. No logical reason not to do so.

    Or maybe I`d just stop marriage entirely. Why should the state use public money (taken from other people) to pay some people for their private relationships?
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
    542 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 3:49 pm
    I`m not getting her rationale. Perhaps because it`s not rational.

    If you want gay marriage, then use reason, you`ll get there.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
    1754 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    It was a well intentioned and heartfelt statement by a 15 year old kid who wants her parents to have the same rights as others, disco. Sorry you`re just a douche.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
    1754 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    @Talon, You are one massive pile of poo. Please go away and die.
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    mrsdoctorwho Female 18-29
    14 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    @talon0325 You are 40-49, have the username of a 12 year old boy and have a kitty for your profile photo. I have a hard time taking you seriously. You have to be a troll.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2345 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 5:36 pm
    Discobiscuit

    you want reason from the side fighting for same sex marriage but what, except the absolute BULLCRAP excuses for reason that the other side comes up with for why it shouldn`t be allowed????????

    no offense, but somehow I doubt at your age you know much about reason, emotion or when there is and is not a difference between the two.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2345 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 5:38 pm
    BTW DiscoTerd

    this issue is about EMOTION and LOVE and perhaps it needs just a little less reason, which is all too often another word for justification...like how the religious right wingnuts try to justify their objections to same sex marriage because they are so weak and retarded.
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    Zymotical Male 18-29
    198 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 5:52 pm
    Angilion gets it, why cant the rest of the world?

    Oh yeah, "god" said it is bad so the laws of our secular society must reflect that. *eye-roll*

    Why is america still fighting for the same freedom FROM religious persecution that this country was founded on? It boggles my mind how many citizens don`t understand this, though they are most likely just the ones subverting the system to create more religious conversions.

    Religious zealotry is the foulest act of mankind and has created more pain and suffering in the name of "god" than any atheist organization anywhere. This video just one example of the unaccountably numerous crimes against humanity that religions have hefted upon the world, and it will not cease until people deal with mortality without making up fairy tales to placate their fear of death.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 3, 2012 at 8:06 pm
    right e o
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14657 posts
    February 3, 2012 at 8:53 pm
    It is a shameless example of two men using a young girl to further own ends, but I am sure she is speaking from the heart and it`s in a good cause.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    February 4, 2012 at 1:19 am
    Half breeds should not be able to vote, but pay twice as much taxes. My opinion.
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    Yellk Male 18-29
    44 posts
    February 4, 2012 at 2:40 am
    erm, i might be feeding a troll here, but, robosnitz take your racist opinion away from this site. seriously, I still cannot comprehend how people hold such views..
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    Burton_Ian Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2012 at 8:45 am
    Well Robo, it`s good that no one values said opinion.

    Enjoy your hate.
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
    823 posts
    February 5, 2012 at 6:05 am
    @insane ai You are obviously against gay marriage and I would just like to say that I feel bad for you. It`s sad that people are so afraid of what they don`t understand.

    What I have between my wife and I is a marriage. When you have people trying to alter the definition of marriage you take away from what I have. I understand clearly what these people want; they want to legitimize something that is not legitimate and in the process they are willing to hurt others to hide their shame.
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    deschide Male 18-29
    69 posts
    February 6, 2012 at 3:23 pm
    "It is a shameless example of two men using a young girl to further own ends, but I am sure she is speaking from the heart and it`s in a good cause"

    the girl looks old enough to be to be making her own decisions, the father looks quite supportive to me.

    "What I have between my wife and I is a marriage. When you have people trying to alter the definition of marriage you take away from what I have. I understand clearly what these people want; they want to legitimize something that is not legitimate and in the process they are willing to hurt others to hide their shame."

    how does it hurt you in anyway?

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